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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 11, 2006, 01:08:45 PM
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What do you think about Wes Fager's site www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) ?
Can you offer any suggestions about how to improve Wes Fager's website?
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You're the only one who really cares at all about it.
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You're the only one who really cares at all about it.
Well,I dont like it,but I would like to hear other peoples opinion on what they think about it and their ideas about how it could be improved.
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It's pretty scattered and disorganized, needs a new look.
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It needs to be streamlined, the conspiracy shit taken out, the focus narrowed, no animated .gifs, and for the love of Satan stop getting into a fight with a rainbow.
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Yeah it pretty much blows, like the dipshit who created it.
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That's just it. Wes' site does need to be revamped in my and many others opinions, but who ever really goes there anymore? Does anyone refer people there? No. The only reason for the posting of this thread is that the fucking loser who did it can't make a fucking life for himself (or herself, it's one of two) and needs someone else to blame. End of story. What the hell do Wes or Sherman or any of the others that this guy goes after have to do with this anymore? Nothing other than to feed his insatiable need for someone else to be responsible for his misery.
grow up, get some help, take your meds, get a life, chill out, LIFE was Straight Lite, you're a pussy, ah well, you know the rest.
:cry2: ::bangin:: :roll:
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Right the fuck on! Fuck Fager and fuck all of that stupid bullshit you just mentioned! Nobody cares about any of that anymore...
Train's leavin', motherfucker.... :rofl:
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I think its a great site to refer people to who want to know more. I think it used to be in a better format, without all the stuff all over. It used to be very easy to get to the online book, now its a little fruity.
I think A Clockwork Straight should be more accesible and some sort of banner telling people if they are new, to begin there. Stuff splashed all about Sembler is just confusing and wont hold the attention of someone new long enough to try to find more. ESPECIALLY a parent or someone thinking of placing their children in these programs.
You guys who rag on Wes about his site are just off the mark. Regardless of your personal opinions about Wes, no one else has had a site as thouroughly informative and up to the moment about the Straight saga than he has. Put your websites where your mouth is guys. If there is something better youre doing, let us all know.
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I think its a great site to refer people to who want to know more. I think it used to be in a better format, without all the stuff all over. It used to be very easy to get to the online book, now its a little fruity.
I think A Clockwork Straight should be more accesible and some sort of banner telling people if they are new, to begin there. Stuff splashed all about Sembler is just confusing and wont hold the attention of someone new long enough to try to find more. ESPECIALLY a parent or someone thinking of placing their children in these programs.
You guys who rag on Wes about his site are just off the mark. Regardless of your personal opinions about Wes, no one else has had a site as thouroughly informative and up to the moment about the Straight saga than he has. Put your websites where your mouth is guys. If there is something better youre doing, let us all know.
what she said.
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I think its a great site to refer people to who want to know more. I think it used to be in a better format, without all the stuff all over. It used to be very easy to get to the online book, now its a little fruity.
I think A Clockwork Straight should be more accesible and some sort of banner telling people if they are new, to begin there. Stuff splashed all about Sembler is just confusing and wont hold the attention of someone new long enough to try to find more. ESPECIALLY a parent or someone thinking of placing their children in these programs.
You guys who rag on Wes about his site are just off the mark. Regardless of your personal opinions about Wes, no one else has had a site as thouroughly informative and up to the moment about the Straight saga than he has. Put your websites where your mouth is guys. If there is something better youre doing, let us all know.
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There are only about 2 people who are bothered by or ragging on the site. The rest of us, while we appreciate Wes and all his hard work, are just making suggestions as to how it's layed out. Truth is I won't send anyone there anymore just because it's too difficult to navigate and find the info you're looking for. That's really my only complaint.
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A bunch of the links on Fager's site go nowhere. It is way too cluttered, it should be organized better--a section on Straight, a section on Sembler, one for Newton, one for Riddile, one for survivor testamonies.
It's too chaotic for anyone who doesn't know about Straight already to make any sense of it.
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It needs to be streamlined, the conspiracy taken out, the focus narrowed, and no animated .gifs.
With the music removed, and a more professional look going on. Anyone I've sent there who didn't know about Straight said it looked like a propaganda site and that it was highly opinion based reading and hard to navigate. In my opinion it should read in a more journalistic, fact-based manner. There should also be an opening memorial/mission page that explains the reason for the site and all of it's content. It's offensive to have the penis pump and Montel Williams on the front page, it just looks bad. Many good journalists will say that Montel is a bad publicity move and is up there with Jerry Springer or Maury Povich. Just not very credible, and that's what Wes wants I'm sure, to be believed... This is only my opinion and constructive criticism not meant to disregard him or all of his hard work and dedication. It just needs to be cleaned up a bit.
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How do I feel about thestraights.com.?
I respect Wes Fager immensely. He is a program parent that was brave enough to admit early he screwed up, and he took Straight to court to prove them wrong and to right the wrongs they did to his son. He lost his case, but didn't give up.
Wes, and a handfull of others...Ginger, Kathy, Kim, Scott and a few others were there when I went searching online. Wes was there, with me, at the first ever Straight, inc. spinoff protest. Wes was there in support of the Safe lawsuit for abuse. Wes was there at the conferences, at the protests...and yes, Wes helped put up the billboard with nothing but good intentions.
I haven't spoken to my good friend Wes Fager in several years. No matter, he will ALWAYS be my friend. His website is a reflection of him. To criticise that would be very arrogant and self-serving of me. That website has led national level writers and newsprograms to do stories on Straight and straight spinoffs. Wes has the respect of national level experts on cults and cultic drug rehabs and is considered a valid source for information on straight and other seed based drug programs.
In addition, Wes is just a great guy. He is funny, articulate, smart, caring, concerned and the dude likes to party. Wes is the kind of guy that when he gives you his word, you take it to the bank. We is also the kind of guy that you want to invite to your shindig..because he is just that cool.
In conclusion, I respect Wes Fager and his website. The author of this thread would do well to understand that he perhaps will never receive the status, accolades, respect and admiration that Wes has earned and deserved. So maybe these efforts are borne of Jealousy. Maybe ignorance. I don't know, and to be frank, it is of little concern to me.
I will leave one final comment, a quote from the bible. That's rich, I know, coming from an atheist....but dammit it is just so appro here...
"Why do you notice the log in your brother's eye,
but do not perceive the log in your own eye? How can
you say to your brother, brother, let me remove that
log in your eye, when you do not even notice the log
in your own eye? Remove the log from your eye first; then
you will see clearly to remove the log in your
brother's eye" -Luke 6:41-42
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Oh, fuck! GregFl is quoting bible verses.....
Good points, Greg, and I'm sure Wes is a great guy and all, but many people have remarked to me that they find the site very disorganized.
Just my .02
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How long was Wes's son in Straight? Was Straight the cause of his son's suicide?
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I will not speak for Wes, other than to say his son suffers from mental conditions that were manifested at the hands of straight. If you want personal information from Wes, you need to speak to him.
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test.
you need to
OKay, just so anyone who wants to know, i actually typed youneedto (with spaces of course) and it came out as I want you to. This is obviously some added code, either by Ginger or some other sourse, but those were my words
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yes, Ginger's joke. Y0u need to You need to
There's no need to answer the questions about his son its' got nothing to do with the topic of the thread, which is how poeple feel about his site.
So, the site has volumes of information that really is crucial to us but would be useful and much more informative if it was reworked and better organized. Is that the consensus?
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How many of our parents have said they are sorry? How many of them have done anything to right the wrong? I wish my parents would have half the balls he has. But I do have to agree that it is hard for me to understand his website. It does need to be organized somehow.
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There are only about 2 people who are bothered by or ragging on the site. The rest of us, while we appreciate Wes and all his hard work, are just making suggestions as to how it's layed out. Truth is I won't send anyone there anymore just because it's too difficult to navigate and find the info you're looking for. That's really my only complaint.[/quote]
Exactly
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How do I feel about thestraights.com.?
I respect Wes Fager immensely. He is a program parent that was brave enough to admit early he screwed up, and he took Straight to court to prove them wrong and to right the wrongs they did to his son. He lost his case, but didn't give up.
Wes, and a handfull of others...Ginger, Kathy, Kim, Scott and a few others were there when I went searching online. Wes was there, with me, at the first ever Straight, inc. spinoff protest. Wes was there in support of the Safe lawsuit for abuse. Wes was there at the conferences, at the protests...and yes, Wes helped put up the billboard with nothing but good intentions.
I haven't spoken to my good friend Wes Fager in several years. No matter, he will ALWAYS be my friend. His website is a reflection of him. To criticise that would be very arrogant and self-serving of me. That website has led national level writers and newsprograms to do stories on Straight and straight spinoffs. Wes has the respect of national level experts on cults and cultic drug rehabs and is considered a valid source for information on straight and other seed based drug programs.
In addition, Wes is just a great guy. He is funny, articulate, smart, caring, concerned and the dude likes to party. Wes is the kind of guy that when he gives you his word, you take it to the bank. We is also the kind of guy that you want to invite to your shindig..because he is just that cool.
In conclusion, I respect Wes Fager and his website. The author of this thread would do well to understand that he perhaps will never receive the status, accolades, respect and admiration that Wes has earned and deserved. So maybe these efforts are borne of Jealousy. Maybe ignorance. I don't know, and to be frank, it is of little concern to me.
Can the website,and maybe Wes would be more believable.
You see the splinter in my post,but you dont see the LOG in the Wes Fager website?
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How long was Wes's son in Straight? Was Straight the cause of his son's suicide?
Having Wes as his father drove him to suicide.
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How long was Wes's son in Straight? Was Straight the cause of his son's suicide?
Having Wes as his father drove him to suicide.
:rofl:
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Anyone who doesn't like Wes Fager's site could certainly put up one of their own with the goal of acheiving what you think needs to be said, in the manner you want it said. In fact, many have. Kathy Martin's excellent website comes to mind. There are many more.
So, what is the point in ragging on TheStraights.com? Okay, you don't like it. Fine. Okay, you think it is not organized. Fine. Okay, you think the music detracts from the content. Fine. Okay, you think Wes could have organized it in a different, more user friendly fashion. Fine. I suggest you email Wes with these criticisms.
But...What is the fucking point of ragging on it? More to the point, what is the reason for all the personal attacks against Wes personally, by people who don't even know him? Why all the personally mean spirited comments about his son? Who the hell behaves like this, picking on people's most private personal problems? This demonstrates the lack of character of the complainer, not Wes. The internet brings out the true character of some people, and it is not a pretty site.
I don't *like* certain things about Don Smith's website. So what? What does my opinion of his website mean? I am here, on this website, doing what I think is necessary, not crying and moaning about someone else's efforts, wasting my valuable time acting like a little impotent bitch that can only chip away at other people in a juvenile mean-spirited fashion. Grow the fuck up. Who the hell publically picks on people who have mentally ill persons in their family? What kind of low-life chooses to spend his time doing this?
So again, what the fuck is the point of this personal attack? If I was an independent observer, I think I would be led to the conclusion that the complainer is mean-spirited, sociopathic, out of touch with reality, intentionally trying to disrupt other people's efforts, lacking in cognitive and interpersonal skills, or all of the above.
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So again, what the fuck is the point of this personal attack?
Here's your answer....
the complainer is mean-spirited, sociopathic, out of touch with reality, intentionally trying to disrupt other people's efforts, lacking in cognitive and interpersonal skills, or all of the above.
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So again, what the fuck is the point of this personal attack?
Here's your answer....
the complainer is mean-spirited, sociopathic, out of touch with reality, intentionally trying to disrupt other people's efforts, lacking in cognitive and interpersonal skills, or all of the above.
Just answer the question.
Why do you care what "motivates" the person to ask the question.
I dont see any attack in the original question.
Do you?
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No, not in the original post but it was designed to start some shit talk up about Wes. We all know who posted it. We all know why. :roll:
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There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, especially when it is coming from people whom we (as survivors) want others to understand and believe. I am not in any way defending some of the unavailing comments made in this thread but more stressing the overall consensus that some things could change to make the site more conceivable for outsiders who have never heard of behavior modification or Straight, Inc.
I think those who jump to the suggestion of, ?Then do it yourself you ingrates!? are not considering the impact that certain presentation has on people of the typical populous but instead having a knee-jerk reaction to defend what a good person Wes is. That?s honorable but a little unreasonable.
Our greatest downfall is our credibility when it comes to presenting our story on a mass scale. I am sure Wes (who has done an amazing job information gathering and writing) can handle hearing constructive suggestions from an outside point of view. After all, they?re our target audience, right?
I used to use Wes?s site as a point of reference and information when I first started doing advocacy volunteering but have since stopped because of the responses I got from the public., Therefor my opinion is based on my experience with sharing his site with other people, not hypocritical finger pointing and accusation. I?m saddened that it has been perceived otherwise.
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Agreed, but that wasn't the intent when the original poster started this thread. He's got a personal axe to grind with Wes (however delusional it is) and he just can't stand that others dont' agree with him so he'll pick up on the ONE complaint that others might have about Wes in an effort to garner support.
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So ignore him.
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We do most of the time. Guess some of us just have a soft spot in our hearts for Wes.
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Having a soft spot for Wes shouldn?t keep you from not indulging the thread starter in the negative attention he?s so obviously seeking. Assholes are a dime a dozen...
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Most of the time I don't. This time it irritated me so I posted to show some support for Wes.
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No, not in the original post but it was designed to start some shit talk up about Wes. We all know who posted it. We all know why. :roll:
I have a pretty good idea of who posted it, but I'm not so sure as to the "why".... Why do you think he does it?
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Agreed, but that wasn't the intent when the original poster started this thread. He's got a personal axe to grind with Wes (however delusional it is) and he just can't stand that others dont' agree with him so he'll pick up on the ONE complaint that others might have about Wes in an effort to garner support.
What is this axe of which you speak?
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So ignore him.
Excellent advice...assuming that his axe is delusional, etc.
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He's got some deluded idea that Wes and Sherman are responsible for his life circumstances and is hell bent on making their lives as miserable as his own. Not that he's succeeding, but he's trying.
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Why does he still think (or does he really think) that Sherman still posts here?
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He's got some deluded idea that Wes and Sherman are responsible for his life circumstances
How so?
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I don't know and I don't think it really matters. He needs something to focus his energy on and I guess this is it. To my knowledge neither of them come around here anymore but if he admitted that, he wouldn't have anything to bitch and whine about anymore.
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He's got some deluded idea that Wes and Sherman are responsible for his life circumstances
How so?
you'll have to ask him
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Perhaps he'll be joining us again here sometme soon.. ((LOL))
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perhaps he's here right now.
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Perhaps there is a boogie-man in your closet
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Tin foil anyone? :rofl:
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I used to use Wes?s site as a point of reference and information when I first started doing advocacy volunteering but have since stopped because of the responses I got from the public., Therefor my opinion is based on my experience with sharing his site with other people, not hypocritical finger pointing and accusation. I?m saddened that it has been perceived otherwise.
It hasn't.
It just is buried in a thread by people sniping at his son, and repeating this nonsense over and over for personal reasons.
Look at it this way. Lets say there is a verdict that causes rioting in the streets and People are looting and beating people up at random. You agree that the verdict was wrong so you go right in the middle of it and try to offer up a rational viewpoint on why the verdict was incorrect.
Wrong venue. Thats all I'm saying. In light of all the personal attacks on Wes here, I think any criticism of his website that is done by rational thinkers will fall on deaf ears, in this forum. In fact, I am quite certain of it.
If you have real concerns, I would take them up with the webmaster, or avoid the website. But airing them out here among a bunch of posts that attack him personally and viscously solves nothing.
JMO
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I used to use Wes?s site as a point of reference and information when I first started doing advocacy volunteering but have since stopped because of the responses I got from the public., Therefor my opinion is based on my experience with sharing his site with other people, not hypocritical finger pointing and accusation. I?m saddened that it has been perceived otherwise.
It hasn't.
It just is buried in a thread by people sniping at his son, and repeating this nonsense over and over for personal reasons.
Look at it this way. Lets say there is a verdict that causes rioting in the streets and People are looting and beating people up at random. You agree that the verdict was wrong so you go right in the middle of it and try to offer up a rational viewpoint on why the verdict was incorrect.
Wrong venue. Thats all I'm saying. In light of all the personal attacks on Wes here, I think any criticism of his website that is done by rational thinkers will fall on deaf ears, in this forum. In fact, I am quite certain of it.
If you have real concerns, I would take them up with the webmaster, or avoid the website. But airing them out here among a bunch of posts that attack him personally and viscously solves nothing.
JMO
Please take your rants somewhere else.
This thread is a seriouse thread about Wes Fager's website.
Wes Fager's website IS GUILTY of everything you mentioned above.
Greg,PLEASE stay on topic and stop feeding the trolls that have replied to the original question.
Jeeeez!
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Guilty indeed; he's going to have to pay for this! :flame:
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How do you feel about www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)?
How do you feel about yourself?
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Can I get the last 5 minutes of my life back? ::bangin::
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Sorry, no. :rofl:
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No, not in the original post but it was designed to start some shit talk up about Wes. We all know who posted it. We all know why. :roll:
I have a pretty good idea of who posted it, but I'm not so sure as to the "why".... Why do you think he does it?
Because I have posted many times WHY I dont like Fager's website.
I can give you many reasons,BUT THIS TIME I posed the question with no opinion of my own.
If you read the original post,it is clear that I have asked all of your opinions,good or bad,and to offer any suggestions you may have about how Wes Fager's website could be improved(you moron).
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He's got some deluded idea that Wes and Sherman are responsible for his life circumstances and is hell bent on making their lives as miserable as his own. Not that he's succeeding, but he's trying.
My life circumstances are quite well,and I certainly dont give any credit to Faget and Sherman for that.
Now you are a mind reader.
You should get a job as a police officer.Your brain seems to be wired to excell in police thinking techniques.
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a bit cranky this morning?
:rofl:
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I don't know and I don't think anymore.
Exactly!
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I used to use Wes?s site as a point of reference and information when I first started doing advocacy volunteering but have since stopped because of the responses I got from the public., Therefor my opinion is based on my experience with sharing his site with other people, not hypocritical finger pointing and accusation. I?m saddened that it has been perceived otherwise.
It hasn't.
It just is buried in a thread by people sniping at his son, and repeating this nonsense over and over for personal reasons.
Look at it this way. Lets say there is a verdict that causes rioting in the streets and People are looting and beating people up at random. You agree that the verdict was wrong so you go right in the middle of it and try to offer up a rational viewpoint on why the verdict was incorrect.
Wrong venue. Thats all I'm saying. In light of all the personal attacks on Wes here, I think any criticism of his website that is done by rational thinkers will fall on deaf ears, in this forum. In fact, I am quite certain of it.
If you have real concerns, I would take them up with the webmaster, or avoid the website. But airing them out here among a bunch of posts that attack him personally and viscously solves nothing.
JMO
Took me a year of private emails to Wes to convince him to take tha DOCTORED photo of group session with CHINESE FLAG off of his front page.
He still cant part with it,but at least its now burried deep in the bowels of his confusing website where nobody could ever possibly find it,and get the impression that we were all in a Chinese Concentration Camp.
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I wondered what happened to that. I thought it was a great statement. I'll see if I can email him and ask him to put it back up. I mean, it was so obviously a photoshop, I don't think anyone with any intelligence thought it was real. Just an excellent comparison.
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How do you feel about www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)?
How do you feel about yourself?
:rofl: :rofl:
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I wondered what happened to that. I thought it was a great statement. I'll see if I can email him and ask him to put it back up. I mean, it was so obviously a photoshop, I don't think anyone with any intelligence thought it was real. Just an excellent comparison.
But that Chinese flag doctored photo is confusing,and it dirtied a perfectly good rare photo of group in session.
I actually live in China,and that photo on the front page confused any Chinese friends of mine.
Of course NOW the website is completely useless,but it HAD potential at one time.
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But that Chinese flag doctored photo is confusing,
so, his website.
and it dirtied a perfectly good rare photo of group in session.
so, his website. the original is still out there, don't get your panties in a wad.
I actually live in China,and that photo on the front page confused any Chinese friends of mine.
Then I'm sure you were right there to explain the meaning behind it.
Of course NOW the website is completely useless,but it HAD potential at one time.
so, his website.
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I used to use Wes?s site as a point of reference and information when I first started doing advocacy volunteering but have since stopped because of the responses I got from the public., Therefor my opinion is based on my experience with sharing his site with other people, not hypocritical finger pointing and accusation. I?m saddened that it has been perceived otherwise.
It hasn't.
It just is buried in a thread by people sniping at his son, and repeating this nonsense over and over for personal reasons.
Look at it this way. Lets say there is a verdict that causes rioting in the streets and People are looting and beating people up at random. You agree that the verdict was wrong so you go right in the middle of it and try to offer up a rational viewpoint on why the verdict was incorrect.
Wrong venue. Thats all I'm saying. In light of all the personal attacks on Wes here, I think any criticism of his website that is done by rational thinkers will fall on deaf ears, in this forum. In fact, I am quite certain of it.
If you have real concerns, I would take them up with the webmaster, or avoid the website. But airing them out here among a bunch of posts that attack him personally and viscously solves nothing.
JMO
I was responding to the thread topic and the subject at hand, not the inner-fighting and board drama. I have no idea by looking at an IP address what the purpose behind someone's post is. Maybe I haven?t been doing this long enough or maybe I just don?t care. There are always going to be assholes on here trying to destroy forum order and significant discussion, it happens all the time, this is Fornits.
But we're not allowed to moderate, so we tolerate which sometimes means having to ignore the meanies. I've been begging Ginger to put an ignore feature in but that's another topic altogether. Maybe if people were required to register, I might have had a clue as to what this person?s ulterior motive was, but I didn't. I apologize if you felt this the inappropriate venue to address my ideas about his site and respect that as your opinion, I just happen to disagree. My impression of this forum is that you have always had to find the good through some bad and tasteless posts. I think Wes knows this as well.
I hope it?s obvious that I have no intention of hurting Wes and no personal agenda here. But I did agree with another post in the thread and didn?t see why we couldn?t try having a productive dialogue about opinions and thoughts on the site and it?s changes over the past few years. After all, it?s for all of us right? I always saw it that way?
If I had sent Wes a private letter asserting my issues and thoughts I wouldn?t have had the opportunity to bounce them off of other people and hear their opinions. This is not the first time I?ve seen this subject approached on this board and it has seemed to have always been done poorly, but that does not mean that some good still can?t come from it. It doesn?t have to be a rag session.
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so, his website.
But what good does it do to just be for him? For a person to accept no outside ideas seems a bit one-sided and self-motivated. Blind faith in any idea or person is a danger sign. Everyone has room for improvement. I would hope that Wes could appreciate ideas and honest opinions, as long as they?re presented with respect for him and the work he has accomplished.
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I apologize if you felt this the inappropriate venue to address my ideas about his site and respect that as your opinion
Thank you. I respect yours as well.
I just happen to disagree.
And that certainly not only is your right, but I appreciate a robust disagreement. Forums thrive on disagreements.
However, I think I made a valid point. If someone was attacking you, especially in the manner Wes has been repeatedly attacked over a long period of time, and I had a disagreement with you, I would take it private and be sure not to join in the fray. I respect you that much.
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That is typical of all you 7th stepping slime balls,ringing around the group pondering what other people's "motives" are.
I spit in your face then,and I spit in your face now.
I see absolutely nothing sinister about the original posted question,but the 7 steppers here write VOLUMES about what they think the original questioner's "motives" were in asking the question.
NO WONDER you must wade through the garbage here to find the good.
The spammers only write a line or two,but you "motive seekers" just go on blatering away.
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But that Chinese flag doctored photo is confusing,
so, his website.
and it dirtied a perfectly good rare photo of group in session.
so, his website. the original is still out there, don't get your panties in a wad.
I actually live in China,and that photo on the front page confused any Chinese friends of mine.
Then I'm sure you were right there to explain the meaning behind it.
Of course NOW the website is completely useless,but it HAD potential at one time.
so, his website.
Explain the "meaning" of the Chinese Flag pasted over a photo?
I call it lying.
I dare say that if the Chinese had been operating our program,there would probably have been less physical abuse going on.
I dont understand Wes' "meaning" in doing that.
I understand the brainwashing techniques used by some Asian's are similar to what was done to people in the programs,forced to write moral inventorys,etc,but how to explain Wes' motives in faking a photo,I have no idea.
Maybe to provoke FEAR?
There was nothing "Communist" about the programs,or Chinese.
If anything,the North Korean flag would have been more appropriate,but I think doctoring photos in ANY WAY only gives Sembler&Co the right to call all of us liars.
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That is typical of all you 7th stepping slime balls,ringing around the group pondering what other people's "motives" are.
I spit in your face then,and I spit in your face now.
In perso we all know you lack that courage...so you become an internet cowboy, hiding behind your keyboard.
How boring. How uninteresting. How sad for you.
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Explain the "meaning" of the Chinese Flag pasted over a photo?
I call it lying.
I dare say that if the Chinese had been operating our program,there would probably have been less physical abuse going on.
I dont understand Wes' "meaning" in doing that.
I understand the brainwashing techniques used by some Asian's are similar to what was done to people in the programs,forced to write moral inventorys,etc,but how to explain Wes' motives in faking a photo,I have no idea.
Maybe to provoke FEAR?
There was nothing "Communist" about the programs,or Chinese.
If anything,the North Korean flag would have been more appropriate,but I think doctoring photos in ANY WAY only gives Sembler&Co the right to call all of us liars.
His website.
001010 - Yes, constructive criticism isn't a bad thing. This isn't constructive though. Wes is obviously aware that some people have some complaints about his site. He doesn't feel the need to change anything. I guess it works for him. I guess he has his reasons. Why should he alter his website according to what someone else thinks it should be? I mean look at this....
Took me a year of private emails to Wes to convince him to take tha DOCTORED photo of group session with CHINESE FLAG off of his front page.
He still cant part with it,but at least its now burried deep in the bowels of his confusing website where nobody could ever possibly find it,and get the impression that we were all in a Chinese Concentration Camp.
He badgered Wes for over a year about that stupid flag? Obviously Wes felt it was appropriate. Does it really matter if this guy doesn't? Does that give him the right to demand that Wes change what he's done?
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And that certainly not only is your right, but I appreciate a robust disagreement. Forums thrive on disagreements.
However, I think I made a valid point. If someone was attacking you, especially in the manner Wes has been repeatedly attacked over a long period of time, and I had a disagreement with you, I would take it private and be sure not to join in the fray. I respect you that much.
That was never my intention, and I see where you're coming from. Thanks for the civil discussion. 8)
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That is typical of all you 7th stepping slime balls,ringing around the group pondering what other people's "motives" are.
I spit in your face then,and I spit in your face now.
In perso we all know you lack that courage...so you become an internet cowboy, hiding behind your keyboard.
No.
You know nothing.
You think I am an "Internet Cowboy"?You moron!
And this is not my keyboard.I have never even owned a computer.
Actually I used to spit in their faces at every opportunity,especially in open meeting,and they were big and I was quite small.
They would wait for everybody to stand up and applause,creating a wall of people so the audience/parents couldnt see,then they would come over and pound on me with their 5th phase minions holding me down.
YOU know nothing.
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What's your point?
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Hey Greg,Asshole!
Internet Cowboy ,huh?
You think Im a "spammer"?
I know nothing about computers,but I consider this a challenge.
You want to see what I can do,with my Chinese Internet Cowboy Friends?
They work CHEAP,and I know a billion of them.
What do you say?
I have $20USD in my pocket.
That will buy me an Chinese Internet Cowboy Spammer that will make this message board your own personal hell.
You are such a moron!
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What's your point?
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What's your point?
:rofl: :rofl:
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Hey Greg,Asshole!
Internet Cowboy ,huh?
You think Im a "spammer"?
I know nothing about computers,but I consider this a challenge.
You want to see what I can do,with my Chinese Internet Cowboy Friends?
They work CHEAP,and I know a billion of them.
What do you say?
I have $20USD in my pocket.
That will buy me an Chinese Internet Cowboy Spammer that will make this message board your own personal hell.
Does Pinellas park have a chinatown now?
::bigsmilebounce::
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:rofl: :rofl: ::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha:: ::bigsmilebounce:: :rofl: ::rocker::
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Hey Greg,Asshole!
Internet Cowboy ,huh?
You think Im a "spammer"?
I know nothing about computers,but I consider this a challenge.
You want to see what I can do,with my Chinese Internet Cowboy Friends?
They work CHEAP,and I know a billion of them.
What do you say?
I have $20USD in my pocket.
That will buy me an Chinese Internet Cowboy Spammer that will make this message board your own personal hell.
Does Pinellas park have a chinatown now?
::bigsmilebounce::
What's your point?
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Actually I used to spit in their faces at every opportunity,especially in open meeting,and they were big and I was quite small.
They would wait for everybody to stand up and applause,creating a wall of people so the audience/parents couldnt see,then they would come over and pound on me with their 5th phase minions holding me down.
YOU know nothing.
They did this because they loved you.
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Actually I used to spit in their faces at every opportunity,especially in open meeting,and they were big and I was quite small.
They would wait for everybody to stand up and applause,creating a wall of people so the audience/parents couldnt see,then they would come over and pound on me with their 5th phase minions holding me down.
YOU know nothing.
They did this because they loved you.
And they still love me!
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Actually I used to spit in their faces at every opportunity,especially in open meeting,and they were big and I was quite small.
They would wait for everybody to stand up and applause,creating a wall of people so the audience/parents couldnt see,then they would come over and pound on me with their 5th phase minions holding me down.
YOU know nothing.
They did this because they loved you.
And they still love me!
So tell me how long did you not comply? Did you ever comply? And how did you get out? Just curious...
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Actually I used to spit in their faces at every opportunity,especially in open meeting,and they were big and I was quite small.
They would wait for everybody to stand up and applause,creating a wall of people so the audience/parents couldnt see,then they would come over and pound on me with their 5th phase minions holding me down.
YOU know nothing.
They did this because they loved you.
And they still love me!
So tell me how long did you not comply? Did you ever comply? And how did you get out? Just curious...
What's your point?
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Competition sake? :o j/k only curious
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Maybe if people were required to register, I might have had a clue as to what this person?s ulterior motive was, but I didn't.
You mean like this?
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That is typical of all you 7th stepping slime balls,ringing around the group pondering what other people's "motives" are.
I spit in your face then,and I spit in your face now.
I see absolutely nothing sinister about the original posted question,but the 7 steppers here write VOLUMES about what they think the original questioner's "motives" were in asking the question.
NO WONDER you must wade through the garbage here to find the good.
The spammers only write a line or two,but you "motive seekers" just go on blatering away.
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I have no idea by looking at an IP address what the purpose behind someone's post is.
Only if they register?
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I would hope that Wes could appreciate ideas and honest opinions, as long as they?re presented with respect for him and the work he has accomplished.
Thanks to Wes, I didn't have to hunt far to find out about penis pumps. However, I can't find much on Tom Cruise or the upcoming alien invasion. What gives, Wes?
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For the self-rightous spit-critic of others,Just how did you get out of the program?
Go ahead and make something up.
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For the self-rightous spit-critic of others,Just how did you get out of the program?
Go ahead and make something up.
you will never figure it out.
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I THINK MR. FAGER LIED ABOUT HIS SONS DEATH !
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What makes you say that?
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I THINK MR. FAGER LIED ABOUT HIS SONS DEATH !
What makes you say that Steve?
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hippy told him so
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Oh, that explains it. I don't remember Wes ever saying that his son was dead. I remember him saying that he was in a mental institution but not dead. When did that happen?
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I THINK MR. FAGER LIED ABOUT HIS SONS DEATH !
Have you ever spoken with Wes? Have you ever asked him about this or are you just going off of the ramblings of others? MIght be a good idea to find out things for yourself and form opinions of your own instead of just latching onto someone else's rant du jour.
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Fager is a news repoter.
So continue your acitvities of mis-information.
Best
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How about the about Mr. Patte???? and thier family?
What a Straight, Inc., money collector your are sir, please have Calvin quit posting, she is a bore, or?
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Clary report page 1
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Clary report page 5
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I THINK MR. FAGER LIED ABOUT HIS SONS DEATH !
What makes you say that ?
God gives every one their own opinion.
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I THINK MR. FAGER LIED ABOUT HIS SONS DEATH !
What makes you say that ?
God gives every one their own opinion.
But what are those opinions based on? Has he actually spoken with the person to find out what they did or didn't say or is he just going by someone else's opinion?
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hippy told him so
From what's on that other site it looks that way.
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FROM FORNITS
From what's on that other site it looks that way.
I don't know what the truth is so I'm waitin 4 n e-mail forom WEs.
-STEVE BROWN
Well Steve, you posted this here so I was asking how you came to that conclusion.
I THINK MR. FAGER LIED ABOUT HIS SONS DEATH !
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Why don't you get yourself a blow-up doll of Wes Fager so you can stand him up and confront him.
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I don't know if Fager lied about his son being dead, it could have been as simple as him having said "attempted" and the listener thinking he said "committed".. As far as the other allegations about Wes playing fast and loose with the truth, or even maliciously, coldly and calculaterdly deceiving others for his own nefarious shemes, I do not know one way or the other.
I think thestraights.com, while having lots of really good information, could use some streamlining and editing. It has the in-your-face look of a supermarket tabloid, and is really chaotic and disorderly. Although there is a wealth of information, documents, survivor testamonies, expert opinions and observations, news clippings, etc. that provide pertinent information to anyone who wnats to research Straight and other abuses institutions and those who were victimized by them, and those who ran them. I think it really needs a makeover and some editorial standards. A great idea, not so great on the execution.
"nuff said.
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His site may be ok and all that; but Wes seems to have little trouble "streamlining his information" with no help from anyone else (based on statements made by webdiva and her experiences with him. My .02).