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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 02:38:37 PM
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PV counselors love girls in bondage...
http://www.myspace.com/underworldimages (http://www.myspace.com/underworldimages)
http://www.myspace.com/wifeofhades (http://www.myspace.com/wifeofhades)
Same counselor, two different blogs. Check out the "companies" to see where she works. Also, check out the "school" section and see how under-qualified she is...
What better job for someone who has a fetish for girls in restraints.
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PV counselors love girls in bondage...
http://www.myspace.com/underworldimages (http://www.myspace.com/underworldimages)
http://www.myspace.com/wifeofhades (http://www.myspace.com/wifeofhades)
Same counselor, two different blogs. Check out the "companies" to see where she works. Also, check out the "school" section and see how under-qualified she is...
What better job for someone who has a fetish for girls in restraints.
WHOO BABY :wink:
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Straight from the "I knew it" department.
Tell the local authorities. You'd be surprised what can happen. In some cases it's not okay to fantasize about what it's possible to do legally..
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Yeah, I found it heinous, to say the least. Common sense seems to be in short supply with this counselor. My stepdaughter is in PV, I'm trying to get her out. My wife had to witness her daughter being "restrained", five fat chicks sitting on her with another coming with the straitjacket. all because the girl tried to pull away from them. My wife snapped pictures, after resisting the urge to attack the lot of them and pull them off her girl. For taking the pictures, she's banned from seeing her daughter, and her daughter is forbidden to speak of her mother. "Therapeutic", hell...
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Great. That's just wrong.
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Deleted this post; it contained too much that could be construed as incitement to violence.
You already know what you have to do anyway; you don't need any suggestions from me.
It's just a matter of doing it.
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We're working on it. What she's doing is not illegal; it is unethical. I've reported it far and wide, our attorney knows about it, I've sent a lengthy letter to JCAHO with pictures, notes, (I might post it here, too) and I send it to them daily, sometimes three times a day, to be sure they see it. I didn't witness the restraint, my wife did. If I had been there, I wouldn't be communicating this freely, I'd be in jail for throwing "goons" against walls. I agree with your earlier post, Milk Gargling. Militant action is sometimes required, especially against a facility that considers itself above the law. My wife was banned from sessions for taking pictures, which PV says is in "violation of guidelines". There is no mention of a restriction on photographs in the literature they give to parents. The real "violation of guidelines" was the violation of Federal guidelines that occurred when PV used brutal physical restraint without a justifiable reason, and to do it in front of the mother made it damaging to parent and child.
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This on the blog of a senior PV Program Counselor:
"I was going to travel across the country and world saving people and trees and whatever else needed saving. That did not happen because I met my wife and decided that I should stick around Knoxville for a little while longer. Now, I live a quiet little life out in the boonies with my wife and son working a job at a behavioral health facility when I do not even have a degree in psychology."
and proud of it!!!!!
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Why shouldn't he be proud of it? It doesn't take a degree to teach common sense and that's what alot of these kids need taught. It doesn't take a degree to love these kids - which is what alot of them were missing from home.
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Why shouldn't he be proud of it? It doesn't take a degree to teach common sense and that's what alot of these kids need taught. It doesn't take a degree to love these kids - which is what alot of them were missing from home.
Unlicensed, unqualified staff acting as counselors? Nah, you're right, he should be very proud. :roll:
Yes, a lot of them are missing that from home which is why the parents just need to get their shit together instead of sending junior off to pay for their mistakes.
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Unlicensed doesn't mean unqualified.
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What would qualify a counselor to be a counselor then, love? What training do these kids have to allow them to be counselors?
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Why shouldn't he be proud of it? It doesn't take a degree to teach common sense and that's what alot of these kids need taught. It doesn't take a degree to love these kids - which is what alot of them were missing from home.
And it doesn't take a degree to restrain a kid and inflict physical as well as emotional pain.
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Why shouldn't he be proud of it? It doesn't take a degree to teach common sense and that's what alot of these kids need taught. It doesn't take a degree to love these kids - which is what alot of them were missing from home.
Methinks thou doth protest too much. Which facility are you a counselor at, and have you not been keeping up with this thread? These people are hired to conduct therapy sessions with these kids. PV is willing to hire people with GED's to conduct therapy on teenagers. If they have experience, where did they get it? STRAIGHT? The Seed? SynAnon? I agree they need common sense. The PV counselor at the top of this thread posted where she worked, the financial problems the facility is having, and named a person at the facility as being uptight about the finances. All this information is surrounded by photos she took of girls in positions of submission, in bondage gear, in restraints. She has the ability at PV to have young girls restrained, put in straitjackets, etc., all her favorite things. Do you really think this counselor shows common sense? It's unethical, it's unprofessional, it's STOOPID. By the way, PV yanked down that counselor's site and probably sacked her as well TODAY. It's a good thing I saved all the web pages complete.
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One would never know what qualifications the "others" have because PV will not release that information upon request. Many of them are students seeking advanced degrees or folks with AA's and some experience. They are not necessarily unqualified for the job, because G?D knows you got ta love kids to work with them.
The high rate of turnover among this crowd -every other week or so those jobs are posted in the local papers, leads to that "this is the way we do it here mentality" that can stagnate any business or "program".
My guess is that it has been a long time since "the way it is done here" has been questioned at any level. I understand from several sources including former students, clinicians and counselors that the program is much more "boot camp" oriented than it has been in previous years. When scrutinized against the warning signs and the red flags posted on sites like ASTART and ISAC, the Peninsula Village falls heavily into the failure catagory. Perhaps Covenant Health should stop trying to run PV on a shoestring with low level clinicians and use all that scenic logged lake property and the rustic cabins for retreats for mental health professionals.
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Why shouldn't he be proud of it? It doesn't take a degree to teach common sense and that's what alot of these kids need taught. It doesn't take a degree to love these kids - which is what alot of them were missing from home.
Methinks thou doth protest too much. Which facility are you a counselor at, and have you not been keeping up with this thread? These people are hired to conduct therapy sessions with these kids. PV is willing to hire people with GED's to conduct therapy on teenagers. If they have experience, where did they get it? STRAIGHT? The Seed? SynAnon? I agree they need common sense. The PV counselor at the top of this thread posted where she worked, the financial problems the facility is having, and named a person at the facility as being uptight about the finances. All this information is surrounded by photos she took of girls in positions of submission, in bondage gear, in restraints. She has the ability at PV to have young girls restrained, put in straitjackets, etc., all her favorite things. Do you really think this counselor shows common sense? It's unethical, it's unprofessional, it's STOOPID. By the way, PV yanked down that counselor's site and probably sacked her as well TODAY. It's a good thing I saved all the web pages complete.
I used to work there. The staff are highly trained in the restraints. The staff member has a legitimate photography business. I don't have to justify further. Use the pages all you want. They didn't sack her either. She isn't interested in young girls. While you're busy looking at her page you can see she's happily married.
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Things must have changed since you worked there. What is going on at PV is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen. As I said, I'm sure she's a good person, I know the kids like her. What's happening there now is abuse. PV has suffered program drift. If you're truly experienced, you'll know what that means. There's a girl at PV now who's being medically neglected, and at least on one occasion has been brutally restrained in a way that goes against Federal guidelines, and certainly goes against any sane parent's wishes. If you're a good counselor and you want to help kids, then you'll understand why I want my girl out of PV. Nobody should be taking this personally, but PV staffers should really be taking a look at what they do and question it.
I also know the counselor is a mother to be, and she stated "we really don't want to tell parents we know their kids better than they do, but we're the experts on this shit,". I know she'll realize how wrong that is when she has her own child. I wish her all the best, and I know she's planning on leaving PV, so I hope she finds something else she loves at a place that isn't rotten at the roots.
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To be honest it hasn't been that long since I left but there are alot of new staff there - so I can't vouch for any of them. I do know exactly what you mean. I was a very good counselor and knew that I needed out of there. Good luck to ya!
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Could you tell me anything about the mechanical and chemical restraints used at PV? If you were there recently you must be aware of their usage and frequency. Thanks for any help you can provide, and really, I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings or cause trouble for the counselors, I know they have difficult jobs. I can't tell you how much my wife and I miss our girl. It eats away at us knowing she's being mentally and physically abused. She spent her 17th birthday in STU, her mom took her a piece of cake and got a picture of her holding it. Her eyes are puffy from crying. I sat in my office today reading over her letters, looking at her picture, and I started bawling like an infant. I can't tell you how horrible all this is.
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As a parent, I empathize with you and the hell your daughter is suffering, as well as the hell you and your wife are going through.
What I don't understand is why you don't just go to PV with a police escort and get her the f*ck out of there! Surely you and your wife didn't sign over legal custody to those goons, right? You're the client, you paid the bill, and YOU can decide she's had enough "treatment," can't you?
Man, I would be on the first plane to Hicksville. Police escort is probably a good idea though, so you don't end up in jail for doing something totally understandable but regrettable.
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You still haven't gone in and killed them why?
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My stepdaughter's biological father has custody, he's had it for three months after getting emergency custody through a shady shyster. The wheels of justice have moved slow as hell.
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So this bastard got custody and immediately sent his daughter off to be abused? That's some fucked up shit.
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ZenAgent,
Does mom have any rights at all? I'm thinking not, based on your comment.
I was in a similar situation (with rights) and what I know is that her decree- if she has any rights at all- supercede the program's policies. She could show up at any time it is ordered and they have to release her.
Sorry about what you're going through. You're not the first. These programs are more than happy to ally with a control freak parent to subjugate the other parents rights, and provide testimony in order to keep the kid there. Once they have them it's very difficult, time intensive, and expensive to get them back. I understand your pain.
I'll hope for a miracle for you, your wife, and sd. But, the way family matters are handled these days, she could be out of the program by the time the matter is settled in court. Very unfortunate for the victims.
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Dear ZenAgent,
I don't have any advice to give you. I just wanted say how sorry I am for you, and your wife. Good luck to you, and to your daughter. I'm sorry she has such a jerk for a biological Dad.
CCM girl 1989
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What assumptions you make, sir! An yet you claim to have some kind of insight into the workings of this program. Why on earth would a program such as Peninsula Village fire a seasoned, successful staff member for posting her artwork on her myspace account? You have a lot to say about ethics, and yet you seem to be in direct conflict with the very rights you claim to be protecting by "exposing" this staff member. Would you object to a staff member posting pictures of nude paintings done in a classical style? Or to a staff member who reads Vonnegut or, heaven forbid, engages in sexual acts with consenting partners? The aformentioned staff member runs a successful and perfectly legal business taking fetish photographs of consenting, adult fetish models. If anyone is behaving unethically, it is you, sir. How dare you slander such a woman? You have, in short, accused her of being a child molestor. I no longer wonder at your stepdaughters reasons for needing treatment, if you are her example of responsible adult behavior. Shame on you.
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I agree it is inappropriate to attack her character or her as a person simply because she enjoys photographing consenting adult models in bondage fetish poses. It's a free country and there's nothing illegal about her phtography side business (emphasis on "side business.") Depending on your beliefs, you might say it's not unethical either.
But this woman's primary business is that she works as a counselor in a "treatement facility" where teenage girls are sometimes restrained. As a parent, it raises a lot of alarm bells for me, whether she is a great counselor or not, and whether she gets her kicks from seeing women in bondage or not.
I personally think she should choose one career or the other. If her photography of bondage fetish models means so much to her, she should quit her counseling job. Or vice versa.
Just my 2 cents as a concerned parent.
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This step-father has the RIGHT to be concerned about a counselor's behavior without being attacked; and without being held reponsible for his "step-daughter needing treatment."
And even IF this girl needs some type of "treatment" if surely does not need to be in some facility that certainly appears to be abusive. and the abuse has nothing to do with any counselor's picture-taking either.
Read the accounts of past students who were at PV.
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I have in no way accused her of being a child molestor. We'll have to agree to disagree about educational requirements of the staff. For $300 a day per patient, I would think they could hire people with degrees. I do think that if these counselors consider themselves mental health care professionals and "experts" as W. calls herself, they should damn well conduct themselves as professionals, which they haven't. Where are all you attackers coming from? Has scandal rocked the House of PV? I knew of 14 counselors with MySpace accounts, they've all been deleted. I think that indicates something occurred.
I'm not offended at all by the fetish pictures, they're like watered-down versions of Richard Kern's work. I do find some of the other images she's created questionable, like the ones of the thin, naked goth-girl laying on a bed with her eyes fixed, a gaping wound in her wrist with blood everywhere and a knife next to her hand. It troubles me, CONSIDERING THE PHOTOGRAPHER'S "OTHER" JOB! I'll censor it a bit and post it, if you like. The "Underworld Images" watermark will be there. The mental health care professionals I've shown the blog and pictures to (one a former administrator of PV) have all agreed: It's unethical and unprofessional to link her job at PV to the fetish shots. It's unprofessional to disrepect the views of parents regarding their children in a public forum when you've identified yourself as a mental health care "professional" and named your employer's facility as well. It's unprofessional to post details of the facility's financial problems and identify the staff psychiatrist and describe him as being upset over the money woes. Apparently, the administration at PV came to the same conclusion. I've dug really deep for information on the PV staff, since PV keeps that info away from parents, AND NOW I KNOW WHY. If her father had bothered to research the place, he might have changed his mind. I doubt it, since this is his way of punishing the girl for staying well away from him for three years. Don't accuse me of making any "assumptions".
And while we're at it, what assumptions you make, sir. I've only been involved in this child's life for four years. Her biological father did 14 years of damage by drinking, drugging, committing adultery with both his kids aware of it, and verbally abusing them at the top of his lungs. Father of the Year, huh?
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I Has scandal rocked the House of PV? I knew of 14 counselors with MySpace accounts, they've all been deleted. I think that indicates something occurred. .
:D And people say we have no effect.
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Her biological father did 14 years of damage by drinking, drugging, committing adultery with both his kids aware of it, and verbally abusing them at the top of his lungs. I've had to clean up the guy's mess. The child couldn't be released and go live with him, that's been forbidden due to their "strained relationship"... The only thing they had to say about her father is "he admits to having 3 to 5 drinks and marijuana daily,". Father of the Year, huh?
Back when I was a teen in the '70s, I sometimes wondered what would happen to the next generation when the teens of the '60s and '70s became middle-aged parents with their own teens. Would the parents' own teen experiences or the experiences of their friends with drug and alcohol use back then make things better or worse when it became their turn to deal with their own 'struggling teens'? Sadly, many of them became parents who panic when their own kid's behavior seems out of control -- maybe even more out of control than the parents' own behavior was when they were teens. They become desperate for solutions, they have plenty of cash, and there is an entire industry of vultures just waiting to take their money and "fix" their children. Those are the ones I would call the "well-meaning but gullible" parents.
Then there are those like the biological father described above. Like some of my former high school & college friends who never really grew up, never got out of the drug & alcohol scene. Some of them became full-blown addicts or alcoholics, like the guy described. Probably some of the ones I knew back then are now abusing their own children like this guy has. Sadly though, some of them manage to hold onto high-paying jobs and outwardly appear to be successful yuppies -- the kind who can afford a shyster lawyer to steal away custody of their "lost" daughter, then spend $300/day to have her incarcerated in a behavior mod program from which the psychological damage may take years of therapy to recover.
It would be no surprise that the daughter might have had issues and needed some kind of therapy. But the biological dad sure as hell needs some help too. How pathetic that he's the one kicking back with a joint or two and a few beers or vodka martinis every night after work, while his own flesh & blood rots in hell. How sad that a father-daughter relationship, however dysfunctional it may have been, has been utterly destroyed by this drunken, abusive man's treatment of his own daughter.
Beware daddy. Someday she may forgive you. Or someday she may park you in an abusive nursing home and then spit on your grave when you're gone. We reap what we sow...
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It would be no surprise that the daughter might have had issues and needed some kind of therapy. But the biological dad sure as hell needs some help too. How pathetic that he's the one kicking back with a joint or two and a few beers or vodka martinis every night after work, while his own flesh & blood rots in hell. How sad that a father-daughter relationship, however dysfunctional it may have been, has been utterly destroyed by this drunken, abusive man's treatment of his own daughter.
Very insightful, thoughtful and well written. There is a difference between choosing not to have a relationship with your own child and creating a situation where NOBODY can have a relationship with the girl.
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Could you tell me anything about the mechanical and chemical restraints used at PV? If you were there recently you must be aware of their usage and frequency. Thanks for any help you can provide, and really, I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings or cause trouble for the counselors, I know they have difficult jobs. I can't tell you how much my wife and I miss our girl. It eats away at us knowing she's being mentally and physically abused. She spent her 17th birthday in STU, her mom took her a piece of cake and got a picture of her holding it. Her eyes are puffy from crying. I sat in my office today reading over her letters, looking at her picture, and I started bawling like an infant. I can't tell you how horrible all this is.
Well what I can tell you is that they have to have a doctors order to do either and it is only used on patients who cannot calm themselves down. Frequency depends on the kid. I'm sending you a pm about some other stuff.
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ok I can't pm you but nevermind
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She spent her 17th birthday in STU, her mom took her a piece of cake and got a picture of her holding it. Her eyes are puffy from crying
What is STU?
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PV has all incoming residents spend a certain period of time in a secured psychological ward. Or that is at least what they call it. It sound to me it is a locked door forced compliance facility. Get the kids good and softened up prior to letting them out into the public eye.
Here is a doozy for you. I nearly fell over when I witnessed it also. There was a kid in a group at three springs who had been in programs for like 5 friggin years straight. On his weekly phone call he decides to follow the advice of one of his counselors and decides to be completely honest with his dad. He tells his dad, "I hope you die when you have your open heart surgery."
Of course then I was offended by the statement, but now looking back it really does make a lot of sense why a kid in a program would say something like this. The supervisor of his group went off like an atom bomb and ripped the kid a new butthole for about an hour. The kid the whole time had this look on this face that said, "Yell at me all you want, but I am the one who is happy as a clam right now dick munch."
The supervisor made the kid turn in everything he owned that his parents gave him and fitted him out with a set of clothes from the lost and found. He told the kid if he wanted his stuff back he would have to show he desired it. Funny damn thing though.. I don't remember the kid showing much desire.
Good on him.
TSW.
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Five years, wow. I'm not surprised at his attitude. Funny how so many (most?) programs talk about rebuilding family relationships. Ha! Remove a kid with some emotional or behavioral issues, from a family whose other members usually have some issues of their own, and put him in a situation like the one you described...sounds like a great recipe for family healing.
It's a wonder there aren't more ex-program kids who turn out like the Menendez brothers.
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STU is where they fatten you up, censor your mail, break your spirit, break it some more and then blame the person who has nearly single handedly taken care of you for the last several years. They make you do "focuses"on fun topics like "why I make everyone in my life miserable"
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Weight gain? Like Thorazine bloating? I read about a facility that added a healthy dose of Thorazine to the greasy, carb-filled +short of protein cuisine. The kids were docile, too big to make a break and prone to drooling all day. Imagine, kids caught smoking pot or drinking beer were thrown into a place that filled them with a drug capable of causing immense liver damage.
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comments to zen agent... i was in the seed, long ago, i hope this will help.. first, those pictures you wife took are invaluable.. keep them, copy them, yse them judiciously...secondly, investigate 'age of majority" in your state.. third.. people are often more resilient than we think. just knowing that there is someone onher side is awe-fully important.. whn she's out, letting her talk about it,maybe not to you, and simply recognizing tht abuse of that kind iswas not her fault,or yours, and recognizing evil and malice for what it is, will go longway toward healing. now, may i address both you and 'what assumptions you make, sir" i am simply stunned that you would say that a sexually deviant interest, pronounced enough to be publically advertised by that individual has no bearing ? you don't need to know a damned thing about me yet i will tell you this. i have considerable experience dealing with crime and offenders at every level. i hold a clearance. i've spent years in classes and workshops pertaining to violence, domestic and otherwise. i am eligible for state licensure as a therapist. if anyone under my authority had exhibited such interest publicly, and was in ANY position of authority. i would have them removed.. and you may liberally intepret 'removed"
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The counselor at PV with Under World images has returned to MySpace. I knew she had been on this board, I kept calling her W and now that's up on the basically bare site. I guess that's to let me know she's been here. I hope she'll re-evaluate how she views the problems at PV. I had some threatening messages, but I'm anonymous. However, since there are so few kids at PV now, I worry about our girl. I worry they'll figure out who she is and go after her. The PV handbook says if you file a complaint, don't worry about retaliation. Yeah, I guarantee you no counselor is going to throw me in STU wearing a straitjacket with a shot of Thorazine in my ass. Anyone who takes their frustration with a parent out on a child placed in their care by that parent needs to consider new work, and a little therapy for themselves. The staff who were posting on here about the merits of their fellow counselors, even one having a predilection for taking boring pictures of extremely well-fed girls in rubber gear, restraints,etc. ad nauseum. I noticed some staff admitting PV had slid below the sewage line, but they laid the blame on the clinicians who are responsible for training new counselors, the ones who get hired without a clue about working with troubled kids. Sorry, a GED might (MIGHT, I say!) indicate you were a troubled kid, but it doesn't mean you're skilled in helping them.
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If they figure out who your kid is and start taking it out on her, it wouldn't be the first time that has happened to a kid of a "difficult" parent -- i.e., one who isn't with the program.
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I'm afraid to ask, but do you know this from personal experience at Peninsula Village? If so, from a counselor or patient's view? The photographer did once mention that someone who gave her a hard time was "fucking with the wrong bee-yotch," How could I be with their program? It would be like getting with the Gestapo, or something.
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The New Shrunken Head....
http://www.peninsulavillage.org/pv-staff.cfm#bameel (http://www.peninsulavillage.org/pv-staff.cfm#bameel)
Dr. Brian Ameel
Psychiatrist
Education:
M.D., Allopathic Medicine, Michigan State University
Pediatric Internship, Butterworth/DeVos Hospital
Residency and Fellowship, Medical College of Ohio, Toledo
B.S. Communication, Western Michigan University
Professional Affiliations:
American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology
American Society of Addiction Medicine
Other:
As the Village psychiatrist, Dr. Ameel is responsible for the psychiatric care and medication management of all Peninsula Village patients. Dr. Ameel participates in the Interdisciplinary Treatment Teams. He also serves as a member of the Village Leadership Team.
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Is that what you might call um....combination skin-or is it a Gin Blossom?
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Based on your postings it seems like they are ALL into bondage, torture and discipline -no need to single anyone out here. Am I wrong?
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I hope in the process of saving your own daughter you don't sell your own soul to the devil.
TSW.
This thread sickens me.
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And it sickens me, too, but not for quite the same reason. some people find it disturbing to link bondage an child mental health care.
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I'm finding the devil in the details more and more, in the most unlikely places. If it sickens you, good. Maybe it will sicken some parent who's thinking about a place like PV, and they won't sell their child to the "devil".
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I'm always buying!
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Right now, we need to find an attorney, show him everything and start all over. The counselor with the photography interest is one of the better ones, I've heard from alumni.
I did say something to that effect earlier in the thread. I'm not out to demonify anyone. I believe some people thought linking two disparate occupations was questionable. It was used as leverage, and on that level, it seems to have caused something, good or bad, I don't know. That's the hell of it, is the absolute shut-down of information. You have to wonder if a child is even alive, and not being able to pick up a phone and talk to them or even get someone to give you a report with out having to bring outside agencies in is soul crushing.
Now to start the legal shit all over. I'm sick to fucking death of seeing my significant other be lied to, denied basic rights and left out of this "process" because of concerns about the facility. Without a doubt, it's been proven abusive and lacking in educational programs and even proper sanitation that would prevent things like E.Coli. I'm sick of the whole fucking business.
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To think, I used to live that boozed-up lifestyle. Sometimes i miss it, but if I try to imagine myself over 40 and still waking up with gin-breath every morning...Damn.
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Um...i quit when i was 30, but my quota of Good Drunks had been depleted, and only a pile of Bad Drunks were left. Enjoy all the Good Drunks you can.