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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Nihilanthic on July 01, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
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We're not out to get you.
We're not out to put you down or insult or make you feel bad or 'punish you' (well, TSW might want to do that and make you call him daddy, but lets not get off track here) nor are we trying to gloat about how a program didn't work, or whatever.
However, the other thing we're NOT about is rationalizing and spinning things to make you feel better about what you have done and/or support for your personal issues.
EVERYONE here has been through a lot, so join the club and make a thread in a relevant forum. Not that we dont care, its just that your own personal issues really dont justify putting your kid away for the sake of helping your own peace of mind.
Now, you can talk freely (well, er, duh...) but just be prepared to present facts and deal with logic, criticm, and cretique. This isnt like ST - this is NOT a place where specifics and critical thought is suppressed so everyone can 'support' eachother and have a lil gossip club and feel better about themselves, or say their son reincarnated as a dog... or whatever.
Now, you all know how to contact me, and Im available to speak basically all the time right now (Im bumming it out and enjoying my 21 yo-ness this summer, goddammit) so if anyone has something to say, Im all ears. Ive also got skype if someone prefers VoIP or a phone, but sometimes that botches up and garbles crap.
Just dont expect to get anything but the truth outta me. :wink:
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Don't waste your summer thinking about those struggling trolls, don't let them suck you into their world of negativity and hate. It might drag you down and you might end up like them... the horror! :scared:
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Ok, thanks, I totally understand.
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You totally understand WHAT, Leslie?
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Leslie, you posted you enrolled your son at Tyler Ranch in Washington. Their website states they take kids as young as 6 years old.
Do you agree that kids as young as 6 years old should be sent to a treatment facility; and should be housed with kids as old as your son, who had drug problems?
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No, I do not agree that a 6 year old should be where my son was (at the TBS). I think 6 years old is absurd, and at that age should not be sent to a TBS or anywhere. Also, just to let you know, they have never had anyone that young there, the youngest they have had was 14. All of you have your own viewpoints about TBS's, and you should, and I have mine. True they are not for every kid. You also have talked about abuse and being locked up. I have talked to my son about this, and there was no abuse to any of the kids (he did tell me that there were several kids there that were far worse off than he (my son) was. Nobody was put in isolation, and they went to a local high school, riding the school bus to and back. They lived in regular normal houses just like you and I do. My son turned 18 in May while he was there, and could have left at any time after that, but he wrote me a long letter, and told me that he could leave because he was 18 and it was his choice as to what he wanted to do, but he wanted to stay and finish and graduate from high school, and then leave after that. (he had dropped out of HS here in the 11th grade, with D's and F's, but graduated from high school on time, with (6) A's and (1) B). Again, you all have your viewpoints, and I have mine, and my son has his viewpoint as well. He told me that he was out of control, and he knows and understands what and why I sent him. Sure at times he didn't like it at all, but he said he learned some things about himself and about life in general, and what the future now holds for him, that he didn't have before. He told me that because I what I did, he has a future, not like one of his friends, who is now in jail. My son feels badly for his friend, but is glad that he is not in the jail cell next to him. I have a lot more I could say, but I am not going to. I just wanted to answer your question above, and decided to give you a little more detail. I am not looking for anyone on here to care about me or what I did, I just want you to understand why I did what I had to do, and I felt it was my only option at the time.
If you want more details, I can give them, but I know you are all not interested in details. You all are against the programs, and I understand.
Perhaps I will post more later and give you some details about what my situation was like and see what options you all think I could have done instead.
Thank you,
Leslie
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So tell me, how much help did you have writing that post? And what did they tell you the reward would be if you posted it?
You're in direct contradiction of an important fact (kids as young as 6), and so the rest of your post is probably complete bullshit. I don't mean that you're listening to what you only want to hear. I mean that you're making the whole business up.
How do I know? BECAUSE REAL LIFE DOESN'T FUCKING SOUND LIKE MARKETING MATERIAL. Also, the crap directly contradicts previous things- he's not going to sound like the programs' bitch if he's approaching you with pot in his pants. If he is, there's some major cognitive dissonance going on.
There's a reason he doesn't post here. I wonder what that reason is?
Bet anyone 10 to 1 he never graduates college. If he exists.[ This Message was edited by: Milk Gargling Death Penalty on 2006-07-01 19:52 ]
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So to sum up...
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No Leslie, not everyone lives in a "normal house like you do."
You post and give out much personal information, and your home does not appear to be "normal."
NORMAL women/mothers would clean their son's room during the year they had him sent to a treatment facility. You didn't even change the sheets on this boy's bed the ENTIRE year he was gone. YOU described the filthy condidtions of this boy's room. YOU described the drug stuff you found in his room.
A NORMAL person would have cleaned this filthy room SOMETIMES during the year he was gone; not wait until just days before he came home.
A normal person would have a proper home ready for her son to return to: YOU posted Greg could not return to live with you because of the "dangerous friends" living around you.
WELL: move to a safer place.
YOU are unemployed.
GO FIND A JOB in another city.
YOU should make a home for this boy in a safe place.
THAT is your responsiblity.
It is not normal to still be fighting with this boy's father, NOT after having been divorced since Greg was a small boy. NORMAL families learn how to work things out for the sake of their children.
It is not normal to discuss every detail of your son's life on the internet. You show this boy no respect when you do that.
Most people do not take the medications that you have listed you take. That is not the medical regiment of "normal people."
NO, you do not "live in a normal house" like most people do.
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Accepting a 6 year old in a program is ABSURD.
BUT, you chose a program, Tyler Ranch, which does accept 6 year olds in their program!
That is ABSURD--that you would choose such a sick program for your own son.
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Milk.... I had no help in writing my post, my own words from me, totally me, (I never lie)and if I had the money, but I don't, I would bet you a thousand dollars that my son will graduate from college.
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Too bad you blew his college fund on that shithole of a place, Tyler Ranch, now isn't it Leslie?
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Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, I am just trying to respond to your questions, and your statements regarding my son and I that are not true. What I meant when I said a "normal house", is that the kids lived in houses, not an institution.
Don't you get it by now, my son does not want to live here. He is the one who told me where he wants to live. I/we have lived in this house since 1991. I can't simply sell it and move, and my Mom 85, is here, and sister and her family, besides, my son DOES NOT WANT TO LIVE IN ALASKA ANYMORE!!
Don't tell me to get over my ex. Yes we have been divorced a long time, but really that doesn't matter, we only communicate by e-mail. His Father's motto: his way or no way. There is no talking to him on the phone. Long, long story, something I don't want to rehash with anyone right now.
Leslie
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You are Annon. Why don't you reveal yourself?? I didn't blow the money away. I am using my username, why won't you??
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I did not tell you of the condition of my son's room, and cleaning it up, you stole that from my posting on ST!
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Why should that matter? Is the "truth" you tell here different from the "truth" you tell on ST?
Their board is still open to read to the general public. You posted your dirty laundry there, too. Anyone can view it.
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Yes, it is the truth. If you went through what I did with my son at that time, you would understand why I couldn't go into his room in the beginning. It is cleaned up now, and my son, thought it looked great and was glad that I cleaned it up. He just called me and we talked for 20 minutes. He is doing well and still looking for a summer job. A little background, this is a kid that played hockey for 13 years, I paid all, his Father never helped with the payments, and in all the years that my son played ice hockey, his Fahter went to 2 practices, and 1 game.
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Bullshit.
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yea id listen to TSW... a few wrong moves and you could be the new karenindallas. :rofl:
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I'm going to rezz YourKid if she keeps it up.
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Leslie will not stop or shut up. She is too needy of attention. How very sad for this boy.
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On 2006-07-01 20:21:00, Curious & Willing to Listen wrote:
"Milk.... I had no help in writing my post, my own words from me, totally me, (I never lie)and if I had the money, but I don't, I would bet you a thousand dollars that my son will graduate from college. "
How did you get him to go to the school willingly? Escort? Tricking him into thinking you were going on vacation? Not telling him all the details? Because for some reason I cannot comprehend someone going to one of those, ahem, schools when they know the whole truth.
Not telling the whole truth is the same as telling no truth at all.
And that, my friend, is lying.[ This Message was edited by: LauraLee on 2006-07-03 20:27 ]
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Well said. Besides, the kid deserves to be out and smoking up after what he's been through. It's what helped me finally get sane. I used it to very successfully treat my depression (after a few unsuccessful attempts to treat it with PharmaCo meds) and now I use it for fun and as a sleep aid.
All hail the great and powerful weed!
:nworthy: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is finally gone! :nworthy:
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Or is she??