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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: stillastraightling123 on April 27, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
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I had it soooooomuch rougher than you guys, I mean, i was trying to make improvements at Straight, you know, a kinder, gentler Straight where we could share our feelings, and these mean people from Straight kept harrassing me, I mean, you don't know what it's like, man. I was one of the cool staff, like I was really working me program and trying to make Straight better for all the little druggies.....and like now, man, people are still confronting me for wearing my groovy tye-dies in group and all, and by the way , did I mention how I got so much worse of a deal than you guys did, I mean, like, dude, you kinda maybe needed to get some help, and I was like trying to make Straight better and all and those bastards just wouldn't let me........oh well....at leasdt I still have my bong and my patchouli oil and I think I'll play some Dead on my guitar, wow, that reminds me, wouldn't it have been great if we could've sung "Ripple" or "Uncle John's Band" at Straight, but you know, changewd the lyrics (I have a talent for that, man, check it out, it's so fucking rad.....) to "Doctor Newt's Rap" wow that would have been soooooo grooovy, dudes.
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bump
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I had it soooooomuch rougher than you guys, I mean, i was trying to make improvements at Straight, you know, a kinder, gentler Straight where we could share our feelings, and these mean people from Straight kept harrassing me, I mean, you don't know what it's like, man. I was one of the cool staff, like I was really working me program and trying to make Straight better for all the little druggies.....and like now, man, people are still confronting me for wearing my groovy tye-dies in group and all, and by the way , did I mention how I got so much worse of a deal than you guys did, I mean, like, dude, you kinda maybe needed to get some help, and I was like trying to make Straight better and all and those bastards just wouldn't let me........oh well....at leasdt I still have my bong and my patchouli oil and I think I'll play some Dead on my guitar, wow, that reminds me, wouldn't it have been great if we could've sung "Ripple" or "Uncle John's Band" at Straight, but you know, changewd the lyrics (I have a talent for that, man, check it out, it's so fucking rad.....) to "Doctor Newt's Rap" wow that would have been soooooo grooovy, dudes.
This is unacceptable. There's too much sarcasm in it. It is cheap, and it reminds me of a poorly written and poorly acted soap opera I might find myself farting to at random while not really watching it. Not only that, but it lacks humanity, leaving behind an odor more disagreeable than any I might have produced while reading it.
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Ohh! Man !!!... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . Sorry Hip. Somebody gotcha. Does it help ya ta see ??
...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...
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Holy fuck! :rofl:
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Do tha bump!
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stop defending him-hasn't he fucked you up enough already?
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Ohh! Man !!!... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . Sorry Hip. Somebody gotcha. Does it help ya ta see ??
...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...
Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
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I had it soooooomuch rougher than you guys, I mean, i was trying to make improvements at Straight, you know, a kinder, gentler Straight where we could share our feelings, and these mean people from Straight kept harrassing me, I mean, you don't know what it's like, man. I was one of the cool staff, like I was really working me program and trying to make Straight better for all the little druggies.....and like now, man, people are still confronting me for wearing my groovy tye-dies in group and all, and by the way , did I mention how I got so much worse of a deal than you guys did, I mean, like, dude, you kinda maybe needed to get some help, and I was like trying to make Straight better and all and those bastards just wouldn't let me........oh well....at leasdt I still have my bong and my patchouli oil and I think I'll play some Dead on my guitar, wow, that reminds me, wouldn't it have been great if we could've sung "Ripple" or "Uncle John's Band" at Straight, but you know, changewd the lyrics (I have a talent for that, man, check it out, it's so fucking rad.....) to "Doctor Newt's Rap" wow that would have been soooooo grooovy, dudes.
Absolutely hit the nail on the head. Sorry Hip, but I agree with Pirate. Hope you can see how you come across now.
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... ::bwahaha2::... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...
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Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
Hey, aren't hippies supposed to be pacifists? ::bwahaha::
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You're a funny guy. Please stop before I spit out my coffee or something.
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Ohh! Man !!!... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . Sorry Hip. Somebody gotcha. Does it help ya ta see ??
...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...
Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
And if he continues to misbehave, get a few phasers to sit on him. If that doesn't work, marathon him.
Typical brainwashed Stepcult thinking---If you disagree with the truth of an opinion or statement, ignore it, if it really bothers you, silence them through physical coercion or intimidation. Quit knocking Pirate, he happened to see the truth of this parody and pointed it out. Get over yourself and your hero's messiah complex.
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Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
And if he continues to misbehave, get a few phasers to sit on him. If that doesn't work, marathon him.
Typical brainwashed Stepcult thinking---If you disagree with the truth of an opinion or statement, ignore it, if it really bothers you, silence them through physical coercion or intimidation. Quit knocking Pirate, he happened to see the truth of this parody and pointed it out. Get over yourself and your hero's messiah complex.
::cheers:: ::cheers:: :nworthy:
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Ohh! Man !!!... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . Sorry Hip. Somebody gotcha. Does it help ya ta see ??
...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...
Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
And if he continues to misbehave, get a few phasers to sit on him. If that doesn't work, marathon him.
Typical brainwashed Stepcult thinking---If you disagree with the truth of an opinion or statement, ignore it, if it really bothers you, silence them through physical coercion or intimidation. Quit knocking Pirate, he happened to see the truth of this parody and pointed it out. Get over yourself and your hero's messiah complex.
Only a cretin would liken a fistfight to brainwashing. Yeah right, Hippie is going to punch pirate into a brainwashed stupor. w/e, moron.
Hippie gets hate-bombed a lot. Pirate is an arrogant asshole who likes to show ev'rybody tha' light. I'll show him lights, I'll clock him til he sees the fourth of july for being such a real, live, arrogant straightling product of Straight Incorporated.
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No, you're missing the point. Pirate (and a few others it appears) see Hippie in a completely different light than you do. You don't like the way we view him so your solution is to resort to violence. Not much different than the brainwashing. Pirate was at least civil about what he said. If you're upset with the original post then direct your anger at that poster.
Hoppie ::bwahaha:: deserves every bit of what he gets. A lot of us have seen him come on here babbling in almost exactly the same fashion as the parody that started this thread. I couldn't believe how close it was to one of Hip's real posts. "Poor me, I had it so much worse and different than anyone else. You just don't understand, I was the good staff, Straight could have been such a good place"....yadda yadda yadda. :roll: He also continuously states his opinions as fact and then gets pissy with anyone who dares challenge him.
Everyone on here has been a target at one time or another. Hell, look at all Rich has done and the shit he still has to put up with. If Matt can't take what's being said here, too fucking bad.
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...Such is life...goo-ood luck...whatever :roll:
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hello, pirate. you're up late!
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Not really...but I'm glad to see someone besides me is...
I'm searching for a particular post...I want to respond to...
about who the hottest girl in the program was...
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rock on
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I don't know... the way this is all set up now..how do I just cut to page 34 of the survivors forum ??
Red Temple Prayer... do you know... ??
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man, I tried to do the same thing a few days ago, it's a real pain in the ass.....you might wanna try looking at somone's profile that you know posted on that thread and then "find posts by" that person.....there might be an easier way but I don't know
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nevermind, but thanks. I just hunted it down.
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No, you're missing the point. Pirate (and a few others it appears) see Hippie in a completely different light than you do. You don't like the way we view him so your solution is to resort to violence. Not much different than the brainwashing. Pirate was at least civil about what he said. If you're upset with the original post then direct your anger at that poster.
Hoppie ::bwahaha:: deserves every bit of what he gets. A lot of us have seen him come on here babbling in almost exactly the same fashion as the parody that started this thread. I couldn't believe how close it was to one of Hip's real posts. "Poor me, I had it so much worse and different than anyone else. You just don't understand, I was the good staff, Straight could have been such a good place"....yadda yadda yadda. :roll: He also continuously states his opinions as fact and then gets pissy with anyone who dares challenge him.
Everyone on here has been a target at one time or another. Hell, look at all Rich has done and the shit he still has to put up with. If Matt can't take what's being said here, too fucking bad.
I'm not the other poster you are talking to (this is my first post this thread - no time to register right now), but I think you and some of the other people are missing something. The first post on this thread, by "Stillastraightling123", can only be read as making a mockery of "Still A Hippie". That might seem like fine punishment to you, but in the real world that is called rude and mean, and there is nothing else to call it. Obviously, pirate and a few others think that is fine to do to Hippie. Obviously, they have their reasons.
I would bet that Pirate has given and gotten a few punches in his life, and I bet he would have to agree that fistfights are one of the least brainwashed forms of communication.
Now, if pirate wants to really "help Hippie to see the light", he could pay a visit to Hippie, buy him a beer, and apologize for publicly enjoying what is very essentially Straight-like: teach someone to see your shitty p.o.v. of them by singling them out in front of everybody, making a mockery and an embarassment of them, and piling the righteous hate on top.
Out of all the posters on this thread I think I would actually prefer to buy Hippie a beer. I would put money on the guy who puts on gigs to raise money for kids over the other posters who do, uh, what? Show people the light? Write vengeful and purposefully disgusting fantasies of having sex with executive staffers? There is certainly more to attractiveness and good company than whether a person is or is not recovered from being brainwashed and understands exactly what happened to their psyche and what they did to other people and so on. That takes time.
As for whether or not Matt "can take it", that is not my point. Nor is my point whether or not anyone is free to dish it out. Hate group survivors should think about whether or not they can take dishing it out anymore.
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Oh bullshit. Go back and read the thread start to finish. Sure the original post was mocking Hippie but I didn't see anything overly harsh. Fact is that Hippie DOES write shit like that. He's constantly telling everyone that he had it so much worse, yadda yadda. That's an insult to the rest of us and it was pointed out in a respectful manner many times at first. It was met with a barrage of "you just don't understand, my situation was sooooo much worse" and a bunch of insults. No I don't have the time or the inclination to go looking around for it but I remember it clearly. It was only AFTER numerous attempts to point the fact out that Hippie was putting himself on some sort of 'good staff' pedestal and 'worse off' survivor martyrdom that the mockery began. In the real world it's rude and insensitive to come into a group of people like us and start off by telling everyone that they're suffering was somehow less than theirs.
As for Pirate, he didn't write the original post from what I can see. Why is he getting under your skin so much? He was pretty civil in this thread. Has he been otherwise in another one? I'm on and off of here so I'm not up to date.
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Hey man, I'm not tellin' anyone how to live their life. I aint judgin'. I don't mean to hurt no-one. I like Hippie, he's a real person. We don't see eye to eye on some shit that we're both pretty passionate about is all. I mean no disrespect to him but, well, maybe just enough for him to taste the salt. It's just criticism. There's no meaness in it, not from me anyway.
I laughed heartily, and then asked a serious rhetorical question.
I did not put Hippie down or demean him.
Hip. ::cheers::
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We all know that everyone has the same feelings to one extent or another. I am sure if Hip is lonely and wants attention so badly that he goes to extreme with his stories than we can all relate to the lonely feelings he must feel. Who cares how he is told.
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I did not put Hip down or demean him...as the person with criticism for me has.
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I would bet that Pirate has given and gotten a few punches in his life, and I bet he would have to agree that fistfights are one of the least brainwashed forms of communication.
I would bet that most of us have.
Now, if pirate wants to really "help Hippie to see the light", he could pay a visit to Hippie, buy him a beer, and apologize for publicly enjoying what is very essentially Straight-like: teach someone to see your shitty p.o.v. of them by singling them out in front of everybody, making a mockery and an embarassment of them, and piling the righteous hate on top.
The only hate I saw in this thread was the urging of physical violence against Pirate. What hate did you see directed at Hippie? And the comparison to brainwashing was valid. You don't like the fact that some of us have some criticism of Hippie. You want it to stop. If it doesn't you suggest physical harm be done to those who are critical. Not really much different than what was done to us. Silence those with a differing opinion, by force if necessary.
I would put money on the guy who puts on gigs to raise money for kids over the other posters who do, uh, what?
You have no idea what any of us have or have not done or what we are or are not doing. ::fuckoff::
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Anyway, none of the constraints that existed at $tr8 exist here. We are just having a discussion. No one is being coerced into anything. No-one is being forced to be here. It's really quite a long ways from group.
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I did not put Hip down or demean him...as the person with criticism for me has.
:tup:
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He's constantly telling everyone that he had it so much worse, yadda yadda. That's an insult to the rest of us and it was pointed out in a respectful manner many times at first. It was met with a barrage of "you just don't understand, my situation was sooooo much worse" and a bunch of insults. No I don't have the time or the inclination to go looking around for it but I remember it clearly.
He does this "constantly" yet you can't cite an example, huh?
Hmmm.... Uh, yeah....right. :roll:
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Oh please. It was before the board was changed and now it's too time consuming to go back thru those threads and look. If you want to dismiss what we're saying because I don't feel like digging through all that, fine. I really don't give a shit. I just found humor in the original post and apparently I wasn't the only one.
So, what's the big beef with Pirate anyway? The original poster and I have been much more blunt than he has but you seem to have such a hard on for him. In my opinion he's been one of the more thoughtful and insightful people on here.
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So, what's the big beef with Pirate anyway? The original poster and I have been much more blunt than he has but you seem to have such a hard on for him. In my opinion he's been one of the more thoughtful and insightful people on here.
Well if you're talking to me, I don't have any beef with Pirate. I just started posting on this thread, my first and only post was the one before yours..funny how you assume you're talking to the same person when you're not.
Pirate apologized, or explained, so no beef or "hard-ons" here...
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christ you're trying to pick a fight, aren't ya honey? ::bwahaha:: I wasn't specifically talking to you. I was directing that to whomever wrote that to Pirate. I thought that was pretty evident.
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I thought that was pretty evident.
Well, not really...seemed like you were still talking to the same person...(in this case, me)
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I'm talking to whoever is saying that we're just being mean to poor Hip. I'm talking to whomever seems to have it in for Pirate at the moment. If the posters are one in the same then I'm talking to one person. If they're different then I assume that the people know who they are and are bright enough to answer what applies to them and not address what doesn't. .
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I'm still waiting for someone to point out where we've been so so terrible. What I've read on here was pretty mild. Most of the posts agreeing with the original were even prefaced with "sorry Hip but.....".
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So you're saying that Hip should be started over, then? Good; because I've been considering this ever since I first saw his screen name. How DARE he insinuate that his experience was any worse than anyone else's!! This shows a marked lack of respect for the GROUP. :flame:
Hippie, you're started over, 3 & 14.
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How DARE he insinuate that his experience was any worse than anyone else's!! This shows a marked lack of respect for the GROUP. :flame:
It shows a marked lack of respect for the other people that went through the same experience with him, yep it sure does. I ain't classifying myself as part of any "group" though. That's just icky. ::eek3::
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So you assert that yours and hippie's experiences were the same??
WOW.
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I don't know doc...I mean hasn't hippie had it rough enough already ??...you know... no vaseline... the totem pole...
I say terminate him.
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Of course not. Don't be stupid and quit trying to make whatever this is worse than it is.
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Oh, sorry. I won't let it happen again... :roll:
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Good. :rofl:
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Of course not. Don't be stupid and quit trying to make whatever this is worse than it is.
Well that's what you ~said...
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Well I gotta ge the hell outte here and get to bed.. 'nite.. :wave:
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Well I gotta ge the hell outte here and get to bed.. 'nite.. :wave:
GET the hell OUTTA here, I mean...later.
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Of course not. Don't be stupid and quit trying to make whatever this is worse than it is.
Well that's what you ~said...
yes, that is what I said. Again, I thought people were bright enough to get what I was saying. I was wrong.
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Well I'm back again... So where were we?
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Hippie gets hate-bombed a lot. Pirate is an arrogant asshole who likes to show ev'rybody tha' light. I'll show him lights, I'll clock him til he sees the fourth of july for being such a real, live, arrogant straightling product of Straight Incorporated.[/quote]
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: hey pirate...does it help ya ta see??
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:rofl: ...yeah, it does...
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Hippie gets hate-bombed a lot. Pirate is an arrogant asshole who likes to show ev'rybody tha' light. I'll show him lights, I'll clock him til he sees the fourth of july for being such a real, live, arrogant straightling product of Straight Incorporated.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: hey pirate...does it help ya ta see??[/quote]
gotta love those internet tough guys, eh, Pirate?
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Hippie gets hate-bombed a lot. Pirate is an arrogant asshole who likes to show ev'rybody tha' light. I'll show him lights, I'll clock him til he sees the fourth of july for being such a real, live, arrogant straightling product of Straight Incorporated.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: hey pirate...does it help ya ta see??
gotta love those internet tough guys, eh, Pirate?[/quote]
pirate..you forgot to log in!! :rofl:
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what ??
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that wasn't Pirrate, that was me, mocking the brave souls who threaten violence over the internet.
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Your MOM is a brave soul who threatens violence over the internet. :D
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:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: i wish everyone here could be happy and jive
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...Let's Dance...put on your red(sailin') shoes and dance the Blues...
...My little China girl
... Oh Baby, just you shut your mouth...
She says: "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..."
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Pirate is an arrogant asshole...
Touche.
I'll take that, even though I'm not sure I should. I can be an arrogant asshole at times, but generally, I don't feel that way. I have an opinion. I say what I think is true. I look for the truth. Teach me if you can, I don't trust anyone...show me what is up...I have nothing to fear...Anyway, I know you, don't i ?? You told me long ago that you would always identify yourself if I asked. Who are you ??
"Only you know and I know..." _ Dave Mason.
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Pirate is an arrogant asshole
and you're a crazy bitch!!!!
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Pirate is an arrogant asshole
and you're a crazy bitch!!!!
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The person who suggested Hippie punch Pirate was not threatening physical violence. No threat from that person, just a suggestion to Hippie. If someone did that to you in person, you might want to clock their lights irregardless of the light-revealing qualities of the mocking they were doing of you.
Just for a minute, consider the possibility that what you are writing and saying reminds people of Straight just as much as what someone else is writing or how they are saying it or what they are saying to you reminds you of Straight.
I agree with the other person(s) here about the first post being abusive.
I think people feel very very justified in being angry at and subsequently abusive to other posters, esp. w/ respect to how much like a staff member they ever were or are or what they say on the board that reminds them too much of Straight, like those survivors who are just starting to think about it again, who may really be "clueless", not seeing what their real role was in Straight, then there's the survivors suffering PTSD real bad, etc. I'm just taking an expansive view here. Isn't that one of the hardest things about getting healed from child abuse? We were told it was out of love, that it wasn't that bad, etc., so anything that starts getting felt about that experience is still run through the "you're whining and complaining" routine in the brain. It is not easy for survivors to face is their own participation in a hate group. People are at all different stages of "seeing the light" about Straight, about this and that, there is a bigger life too and Hippie raising money for kids means he has a big heart, whereas you can get all over Straight and still be the sort of person to make a mockery of someone just because you take them a certain way, or take them personally, or take them to be specifically insulting you rather than just saying what their own historical experience was. If Matt spent that long at Straight, there is a complicated thing going on there with the cult, with his perceived mission etc.
Am I completely being dense, or is mocking someone antithetical to showing them compassion?
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The person who suggested Hippie punch Pirate was not threatening physical violence. No threat from that person, just a suggestion to Hippie. If someone did that to you in person, you might want to clock their lights irregardless of the light-revealing qualities of the mocking they were doing of you.
Sure you might want to but would it be right?
Just for a minute, consider the possibility that what you are writing and saying reminds people of Straight just as much as what someone else is writing or how they are saying it or what they are saying to you reminds you of Straight.
Don't have to consider it. It happens all the time around here. I guess some people were trying to say that to Hippy
I agree with the other person(s) here about the first post being abusive.
Mean yes, but abusive?? Nah.
I think people feel very very justified in being angry at and subsequently abusive to other posters, esp. w/ respect to how much like a staff member they ever were or are or what they say on the board that reminds them too much of Straight,
yes I agree and some people have a major problem with former staff period.
It is not easy for survivors to face is their own participation in a hate group.
No not easy but necessary.
People are at all different stages of "seeing the light" about Straight, about this and that, there is a bigger life too and Hippie raising money for kids means he has a big heart, whereas you can get all over Straight and still be the sort of person to make a mockery of someone just because you take them a certain way, or take them personally, or take them to be specifically insulting you rather than just saying what their own historical experience was. If Matt spent that long at Straight, there is a complicated thing going on there with the cult, with his perceived mission etc.
I'm glad Hippy helps kids. Lots of us help kids. Some people help out former inmates of Straight. Some kids were there 5 years or more and are majorly fucked up and can't function properly. Some people didn't truly get out for years after because family was so caught up in Straight. Some people's parents kept dragging them back over and over and over again transferring from program to program to program.
Am I completely being dense, or is mocking someone antithetical to showing them compassion?
Compassion is here. There was compassion for Hippy in the beginning. I guess people just got fed up with him telling everyone (over and over again) that they really didn't understand because he had it so much worse. It could have been him insisting that he was "good staff" and just trying to help, I don't know. Being on staff seems to be a major fuse igniter here
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yeah,you could say i was on staff....but i wasn't really...5 weeks of hell with dean and sylvia.......thats all.....i was a joke to them and they ruined my life......when i found out about boston i had just lost my best friend in an accident,my dad died of cancer,then my guitarist quit me and i had no band.....playing music was like my medication......like a heroin addict has his fix,music was mine and it got taken away from me......then boom! i found out the truth about boston........i was so very pissed off man.....i'm sorry to all of the ppl i offended.....i didn't mean to......i was having a hard time wrapping my head around everything that was happening/happened.........if you noticed,i kind of quit being on here.....way too much stress for me.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......not good man.......i want to thank all of you who helped pull me through that time........i'd be in prison right now if it weren't for you......you know,posting is a very hard way to convey what i was saying......if you talked to me on the phone,you'd get a different vibe than what i wrote....theres just way too many details i left out just to finish writing........no,i knew many many ppl that got huuuuued way worse than i did when i was in there.......kevin g,todd r,adam w,mike d april d...just to name a few right off the top........anyways,have fun at me......nothing seems to change in regards to str8 inc ppl........i got huuued in there and i get huuuued on here too.......hippie
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.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......hippie
This is a little disturbing. :o
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fuck with me,i'll fuck with you.......oh well......it never happened so how disturbing can it be....? i was hurting all over.....i saw no relief from it......then i kept getting screwed with by anon assholes too.i don't have but one I.D on here . i don't screw with ppl's heads as a anon poser......thats just chicken shit to me.....and its way too much like fucking group too.....some ppl claim to hate str8,but love to treat ppl like they were taught in str8 to do.....what happened to me up in boston was a hell of a mind fuck and it followed me for a long long time.....my family never let up on me for 20 yrs after that!....when i found out that my suspisions were correct,i went off the deep side and me and my family had it out........things have changed considerably since i found out the truth.......i about wanted to die...to me it meant the way i was treated by my family was totally unacceptable{i accepted it only because over time i had come to believe that i was the one who screwed up}....anyways,whatever.i don't give a shit what you guys think anymore.......if you look at my first few postings,you'll see that i was just a happy go lucky ex str8 inc abused person who was looking for a few friends........not holy shit,those fucking &%*&$^(^($*%&^$%^$%&$&%^*%**^&*^&(^&(*( assholes!......what i found out happened to me up there for real,really fried my brain......then the anons kicked in with thier bullshit.......to me it was shit,the staff asshole elite fuckers never accepted me or respected me.now its the same with everyone else too?!!!....i'll show everyone what happens when you fuck with me......and i set out to hunt them all down.....1 by fucking 1......if it hadn't been for froderick,i would've done it......i had already called an airplane travel agent,called my friend in rhodes island......i was ready to go.......again,thank you to those who unwittingly stopped me from going through with it.......hip
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.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......hippie
This is a little disturbing. :o
Not really... I'd hate to see hippie go to jail over something like that, BUT.....
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lemme get this straight (pun intended). Someone says something mean about you on a message board and it's perfectly acceptable to physically "hunt them down" and um, how did you put it..."fuck with them?" Alrighty then. :roll:
I'm starting to see what your roommates were so freaked out about.
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no,they told my parents i was doing drugs{none of this has anything to do with my roomates dude,thats long over},they hunted and followed me all over the place,got me arrested 23 times,lost 2 girlfriends because of it,2 places to live because of it,wound up on the streets and didn't care whether i lived or died because of 2-3 ppl that "were helping me out"......ultimatly,i wound up facing 15-120 yrs in prison because they manipulated my life! HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU FEEL???!!!!!!!!!!!.....i was sober for 6 1/2 yrs before all this got rolling....i really wanted to stay off drugs man.........is it that hard to believe that ppl in str8 like the ppl i'm talking about couldn't do that to someone? i had no idea that all of the grief i experienced after my deal in boston was from them.......don't fucking manipulate the situation dude.my roomates were assholes that worshiped and did everything dean minstretta and anyone above them told them to do......if you read the post,you'll see that i forgave them....it wasn't thier fault.......they were manipulated too.......geez...comprehension is definatly a weak point here........if someone ruined your already ruined life even more than before and YOU just found out about it 20 yrs later,how would you feel right now?......see? this is why i don't come on here much anymore.......my roomates were paranoid of me because of other ppl higher up on the ladder feeding thier lack of reality lives a bunch of bullshit about me......just leave me alone....that place ruined my life and many other ppls lives and takes no guilt for what they did.........let's put it this way,if i hadn't gone to boston,i would just be someone who looks back and says "man,that was some crazy shit"...instead,i'm still dealing with the fact that they manipulated my life a second time and basically left me for dead!........and i found out about it 20 yrs later......put yourself in my shoes ok?.....i don't mean to sound so pist off right now,but i'm tired of being scrutinised for something i had absolutly no control over......like i'm the bad guy or something........if these guys are your friends,well,they fucked up my life and probably many more......is that hard to believe?..after all,they were the "groomed for staff,elitist" ever so aware of everyone......what a bunch of baloney.....the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! they were right off thier phases and on staff "helping" ppl.!!! they had no life experiences in the fucking real world....if anyone in str8 was an all day sucker,it was the egoed up group staff ......to my stupidity,i didn't think that would effect me.....i thought i was beyond the scrutiny....to me it was just a job.....the reality is,they didn't want me there because i wasn't controlable! so they looked for ways to get rid of me!....they never told me why i was fired....and they gave me another job elsewhere too......they probably drank coffe and laughed at how they screwed me..........then to cover thier tracks,they went even further to screw my life up.....they had to! they told everyone i screwed up and was on drugs......they had to make fucking sure i did screw up!......hippie
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lemme get this straight (pun intended). Someone says something mean about you on a message board and it's perfectly acceptable to physically "hunt them down" and um, how did you put it..."fuck with them?" Alrighty then. :roll:
I'm starting to see what your roommates were so freaked out about.
You probably WERE one of his roommates......... :lol:
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Maybe I got it wrong. I thought you were talking about tracking down the people that were mocking you here. Perfectly acceptable to hunt down former staff. Carry on.
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.....the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! ......hippie
See ??...How about the idea that kidnapping and imprisonment of minors who have been denied the spirit, if not the letter, of their constitutional rights, is immoral and unjust. How 'bout it's wrong to just take everything from someone and then hold them prisoner, completely cut off from the outside world and then place them under physical and mental durress, controlling every aspect of their behavior until they allow you to mind-rape-brainwash them!
I think $tr8 has several way more serious, fundamental character flaws than just that the group staff hadn't been off their phases long enough, having real life experiences. I mean Hip's comment is ridiculous, and appears to me, to have been made by someone who doesn't see.
How about the idea that people , even children(:roll:), have rights ??
Now, just because I don't see eye to eye with Hip on this doesn't mean I think less of him as a human being or nothin.
I think the original post was appropriate. Salty ?? yes, but appropriate.
Anyway where are you folks from that your friends aint real with ya ??
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Hippy, serious question here. From everything you write it seems taht you really wanted to go on staff badly. Why? I understand that what happened to you up there and after was fucked up but it seems like it was really important to you to be on staff and I was just curious what the motivation and thinking was behind a decision like that.
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.....the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! ......hippie
See ??...How about the idea that kidnapping and imprisonment of minors who have been denied the spirit, if not the letter, of their constitutional rights, is immoral and unjust. How 'bout it's wrong to just take everything from someone and then hold them prisoner, completely cut off from the outside world and then place them under mental durress, controlling every aspect of their behavior until they allow you to brainwash them!
I think $tr8 has several way more serious, fundamental character flaws than just that the group staff hadn't been off their phases long enough, having real life experiences. I mean Hip's comment is ridiculous, and appears to me to have been made by someone who doesn't see.
How about the idea that people , even children(:roll:), have rights ??
Now, just because I don't see eye to eye with Hip on this doesn't mean I think less of him as a human being or nothin.
I think the original post was appropriate. Salty ?? yes, but appropriate.
Anyway where are you folks from that your friends aint real with ya ??
Ding ding ding ding ding ding!!! We have a winner! :nworthy: :nworthy:
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The person who suggested Hippie punch Pirate was not threatening physical violence. No threat from that person, just a suggestion to Hippie. If someone did that to you in person, you might want to clock their lights irregardless of the light-revealing qualities of the mocking they were doing of you.
Just for a minute, consider the possibility that what you are writing and saying reminds people of Straight just as much as what someone else is writing or how they are saying it or what they are saying to you reminds you of Straight.
I agree with the other person(s) here about the first post being abusive.
I think people feel very very justified in being angry at and subsequently abusive to other posters, esp. w/ respect to how much like a staff member they ever were or are or what they say on the board that reminds them too much of Straight, like those survivors who are just starting to think about it again, who may really be "clueless", not seeing what their real role was in Straight, then there's the survivors suffering PTSD real bad, etc. I'm just taking an expansive view here. Isn't that one of the hardest things about getting healed from child abuse? We were told it was out of love, that it wasn't that bad, etc., so anything that starts getting felt about that experience is still run through the "you're whining and complaining" routine in the brain. It is not easy for survivors to face is their own participation in a hate group. People are at all different stages of "seeing the light" about Straight, about this and that, there is a bigger life too and Hippie raising money for kids means he has a big heart, whereas you can get all over Straight and still be the sort of person to make a mockery of someone just because you take them a certain way, or take them personally, or take them to be specifically insulting you rather than just saying what their own historical experience was. If Matt spent that long at Straight, there is a complicated thing going on there with the cult, with his perceived mission etc.
Am I completely being dense, or is mocking someone antithetical to showing them compassion?
You make several good points. Oh! sorry about the use of the term:"good points". I don't mean to traumatize anyone, by reminding them of $tr8, or anything, but if I were to alter my words in any way it would only be a reaction to $tr8 Inc. anyway.
As I said before, I don't mean to hurt anyone, maybe I'm bein' too rough.
I think whether or not making a mockery of someone is antithetical to having compassion for them depends on the intention behind the action; the mockery. I don't mean no harm to Hip or no-one.
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my god man.....everything you said is true starry.....i was just pointing out one thing.....hell i even read it to ginger before i sent it....i guess i can't please anyone on here......my desires to be on staff were bogus man......i wanted to be a counselor.....i was employed elsewhere and asked to go on by mel riddle......i was told things were changing....oh yeah,they changed.....bend over hippie....huuuuuuuaaaaaggghhhhh......yep they changed alright......fuck it,i give up....i can't win....hippie
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.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......hippie
This is a little disturbing. :o
Not really... I'd hate to see hippie go to jail over something like that, BUT.....
More like the morgue, dude. Woulda been his funeral and my trial. I happen to have reason to believe he was gonna start some shit with me, I live in a state that recognizes the right of citizens to use deadly force not only out of fear for their life, safety, or property, but even for simply being threatened by someone who seems to be capable of carrying out said threat, and I happen to have several loaded firearms within reach at most times when I am home, and often carry them with me to the door when unexpected visitors show up. Not that I'm looking for anything like that, at all, but there's no way in hell I'm gonna let some enraged nut case that I don't even know attempt to harm me or mine in my home. I would've fucking killed the dude, stone cold truth. I have shot a man before in self-defense, did not kill him (much smaller caliber weapon than I own now) , I'm not proud of it anymore than I am of fixing a flat tire, it was just something that needed to be done. The fact that he mentioned his intentions to SEVERAL people who could attest to the fact that he intended violence woulda been a get out of jail free card. I think it is indicative of a fucked up mind set to intend to travel to someone's home and do violence to them over something that was said to or about them on a website. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY on here has been trashed on this site, some a hell of a lot worse than what was originally posted mocking Hippy. My "awareness" tells me that Hippy was trying to act in some form of displaced aggression---he has talked about other fucked up things that happened to him recentrly outside of here--and he's still relatively new to these forums (sorry Eudora, we're in America, not the fucking Vatican, I ain't gonna use that other word for 'plural of forum'). I know I was pretty pissed off, then depressed (severely) for a damn long time after finding this place, it reawakened so many memories that I had successfully repressed (thank, Eudora, I needed to pick up a few more substance abuse habits, and trying to re-forget was the perfect excuse) that I was a fucking freakshow for a damn long wjhile (still am, I'm just OK with it now, hey, sometimes therapy works. And by "therapy" I mean taking drugs that should be legal but aren't) after finding these forums. I kind of agree, maybe we should tread a lil more lightly....sometimes we forget that we are dealing with fellow survivors of an abusive institution who may still have severe lingering issues.
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Anyway where are you folks from that your friends aint real with ya ??
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Hippy, I appreciate the apology, honestly I do but it just seems like you just don't get it. It seems like you really believe, even to this day that the only real problems with Straight were screwed up staff and inexperience. It could have been so good if only........
I'm sincerely curious about the staff issues but not in the same vein that you are. I'm interested in what would make someone choose to go on staff. You say that the kids rioted when you left, but then you say that you weren't really on staff. You seem to have a soft spot in your heart for Mel RIddile, something I cannot for the life of me understand. No he wasn't as abusive as Newton but he knew of everything that happened in there and did nothing. You don't seem to have a problem with forced incarceration, just the guards that are doing the keeping. I think that's what some of the posters in this thread are trying to say. I'm truly sorry if you're this upset about what people have said here. I don't think that was the original intention. Tempers do run high here when it comes to former staff and when one comes on and consistently hammers home that he was only trying to help and Straight could have been such a helpful place and he was the only one who really cared it sets some people's bullshit meters off in a big way.
I'm done for my part in this. I don't hold out much hope for you truly understanding what people have been trying to say to you. I hope you do as I think it'll bring you some measure of peace with this whole damn thing. I wish you well.
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Hip, I really hope you understand,... aint no winnin' or losin'. Just some real criticism. I understand that your experience in $tr8 was unique to you. I've had no intention of invalidating your experience. I'm sorry that you've had such a hard time. Sorry if I've come off harshly.
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.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......hippie
This is a little disturbing. :o
Not really... I'd hate to see hippie go to jail over something like that, BUT.....
More like the morgue, dude. Woulda been his funeral and my trial. I happen to have reason to believe he was gonna start some shit with me, I live in a state that recognizes the right of citizens to use deadly force not only out of fear for their life, safety, or property, but even for simply being threatened by someone who seems to be capable of carrying out said threat, and I happen to have several loaded firearms within reach at most times when I am home, and often carry them with me to the door when unexpected visitors show up. Not that I'm looking for anything like that, at all, but there's no way in hell I'm gonna let some enraged nut case that I don't even know attempt to harm me or mine in my home. I would've fucking killed the dude, stone cold truth. I have shot a man before in self-defense, did not kill him (much smaller caliber weapon than I own now) , I'm not proud of it anymore than I am of fixing a flat tire, it was just something that needed to be done. The fact that he mentioned his intentions to SEVERAL people who could attest to the fact that he intended violence woulda been a get out of jail free card. I think it is indicative of a fucked up mind set to intend to travel to someone's home and do violence to them over something that was said to or about them on a website. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY on here has been trashed on this site, some a hell of a lot worse than what was originally posted mocking Hippy. My "awareness" tells me that Hippy was trying to act in some form of displaced aggression---he has talked about other fucked up things that happened to him recentrly outside of here--and he's still relatively new to these forums (sorry Eudora, we're in America, not the fucking Vatican, I ain't gonna use that other word for 'plural of forum'). I know I was pretty pissed off, then depressed (severely) for a damn long time after finding this place, it reawakened so many memories that I had successfully repressed (thank, Eudora, I needed to pick up a few more substance abuse habits, and trying to re-forget was the perfect excuse) that I was a fucking freakshow for a damn long wjhile (still am, I'm just OK with it now, hey, sometimes therapy works. And by "therapy" I mean taking drugs that should be legal but aren't) after finding these forums. I kind of agree, maybe we should tread a lil more lightly....sometimes we forget that we are dealing with fellow survivors of an abusive institution who may still have severe lingering issues.
I hear ya; but I know that you weren't one of the three he was referring to in that post.
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If he's going after the people that fucked with him in Boston, fine but if he's thinking of hunting down people here who he thinks have been harsh in word only, not deed that's a different story.
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Right.. I got ya...
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I guess I should get a gun for protection because I am a known troll although I never trolled hippie. Take your head out of the sand one more time: the moderators make incorrect guesses as well as bald-faced lies about who is posting what. It is actually pretty funny. People think I wrote all kinds of posts I didn't write. Just goes to show me, and it is an entertaining show.
I, too, would rather have a beer with stillahippie than with starry-eyedpirate. Whereas hippie tells it like it is and people other than me still suffer from reading comprehension skills, pirate is busy subverting his rage and self-hatred into trying to feel like the most righteous dude in the hemisphere while all the while ignoring that he too has said that he was actually a decent fifth phaser, etc etc. Sorry pirate, gig's up. You turned into a controller of other human beings in there too. Who are you to show hippie any kind of light? Hippie came on here and had an incredible story about real-life cult stalking and harassment done to him by Straight after he left. This is as significant to me as the snake in the mailbox Scientology incident.
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I guess I should get a gun for protection because I am a known troll although I never trolled hippie.
If you never trolled hippy then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. He was the only one thinking violence.
Whereas hippie tells it like it is
:rofl: :rofl: Yeah, like this little gem? the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! they were right off thier phases and on staff "helping" ppl.!!! they had no life experiences in the fucking real world....
I, too, would rather have a beer with stillahippie than with starry-eyedpirate.
I'd rather do shrooms with Pirate, but that's just me :D
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....i guess i can't please anyone on here.........hippie
WTF are you talking about? You've had quite a few people come on and support you. Because not EVERYONE agrees with EVERYTHING you say, you take that as not being able to please ANYone here? A little extreme I think.
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Whereas hippie tells it like it is
:rofl: :rofl: Yeah, like this little gem? the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! they were right off thier phases and on staff "helping" ppl.!!! they had no life experiences in the fucking real world....
See, I think that you and someone else are reading this like hippie is literally saying that he has assessed all of Straight's flaws & decided this is the biggest one, etc etc. I read it as more of a flippant intro & don't take it as literally.
Anyways, whether or not you agree, it is a point worth considering. This isn't exactly what hippie was saying, but imagine if Straight hired staff who had never been to Straight. Did they ever? Why couldn't they? A degreed or certified mental health/addiction worker should be able to more or less do what they were trained to do in any reasonable setting for the clients. I am now curious to know whether any staffers (other than exec staff) didn't go through phases or siblings. Straight was never a real mental health/addiction recovery institution, it was never run or staffed like one. It was run as a cult. They had to get kids off their phases.
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no,i'm not after anyone....lol....i haven't been in a real fight since 6th grade man......i just got worked up and depressed.......all at once.......sorry about everything.......starry,mark frank.......everyone else....its cool.......i'm not a deranged anger infested person...lol far from it...just hate being messed with like when i was in group........thats all....i had more than my share of that and still get it from ppl who were never in the "'gram"!.....hippie
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... pirate is busy subverting his rage and self-hatred into trying to feel like the most righteous dude in the hemisphere while all the while ignoring that he too has said that he was actually a decent fifth phaser, etc etc. Sorry pirate, gig's up. You turned into a controller of other human beings in there too. Who are you to show hippie any kind of light?...
I don't know...who are you to show me ?? Who's anyone to show anyone, anything ?? Why should I bother ?? Why do you ?? You won't even log in so I can tell for sure what else you've said to me on this thread. We can argue this rhetoric forever. I don't really give a fuck about winnin' and losin'... You think whatever you want. No hard feelins. Maybe we'll get a beer sometime... :wink:
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I understand what you're saying but respectfully disagree. I think (and I guess I'm not alone) that he DOES mean that pretty literally. When you take that statement in context with the majority of his other posts here I think it DOES read the way I"m seeing it. I could be wrong, but it's my opinion. He seems fixated on how Riddile wasn't so bad, he went on staff to make Straight a decent, sane place (as if it ever could be), how everyone treated him so poorly (they did, no argument here but shit, all of us got the shaft in one way or another, a lot of us before, during and after the program) and on and on. He beats us over the head with how bad his program was, how long it was (many others were in much longer than him), what a hippy guru he was, the kids rioted when he left staff but he wasn't really on staff, everyone fucked with him afterwards and it just wears a little thin after a while.
Hip, I do wish you well. I have no hard feelings for you. I think you're deluding yourself on many levels but hopefully you'll come out of the fog soon.
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Straight was never a real mental health/addiction recovery institution, it was never run or staffed like one. It was run as a cult. They had to get kids off their phases.
who in the real world or off thier phases 3 1/2 yrs would view what happened to them in a good light? no one! and they weren't controlable either.......this is why i believe i was fired from there.......i would've never sent 5 guys in to beat up or exersize someone in the time out room!....but someone right off thier phases still in the str8 phaser mindset would w/o batting an eye........to them it was a "miracle" therapy....an they were elite,all awareness ,groomed for staff etc ppl........thier ego's were way out of whack..........anyone want to argue that dean minstretta didn't have an ego problem? jim sailor? joey glaze?......thats why mel riddle asked me to go on staff....he swore to me that things were changing....he wanted to replace the group staff with ppl that had real sobriety time......i had 3 1/2 yrs out of str8........dean and sylvia didn't want me around because i wasn't going to do thier bidding for them....i questioned thier authority quite a few times and even called Mel Riddle and told them what they were doing to me......after that,they were very very pist at me.......the rest is history........a yr later Mel got in a fist fight with one of the "newtonite" upper staff from the head quarters and resigned.......well,i'll be around.....i'm not mad at anyone on here.....mark and i and starry and i worked out our differences......no biggie......lol...lol...luv ya.....{i had to say it}.....hippie
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who in the real world or off thier phases 3 1/2 yrs would view what happened to them in a good light?
Who the hell would go on staff 3 1/2 years after getting out?
no one! and they weren't controlable either.......this is why i believe i was fired from there.......i would've never sent 5 guys in to beat up or exersize someone in the time out room!....but someone right off thier phases still in the str8 phaser mindset would w/o batting an eye........to them it was a "miracle" therapy....an they were elite,all awareness ,groomed for staff etc ppl........thier ego's were way out of whack..........anyone want to argue that dean minstretta didn't have an ego problem? jim sailor? joey glaze?......thats why mel riddle asked me to go on staff....he swore to me that things were changing....he wanted to replace the group staff with ppl that had real sobriety time......i had 3 1/2 yrs out of str8........dean and sylvia didn't want me around because i wasn't going to do thier bidding for them....i questioned thier authority quite a few times and even called Mel Riddle and told them what they were doing to me......after that,they were very very pist at me.......the rest is history........a yr later Mel got in a fist fight with one of the "newtonite" upper staff from the head quarters and resigned.......well,i'll be around.....i'm not mad at anyone on here.....mark and i and starry and i worked out our differences......no biggie......lol...lol...luv ya.....{i had to say it}.....hippie
Yes, we get it. You were treated in a way that no one should be. Seriously, I totally agree. No one is questioning that, but it's not as unique as you want to believe. You seem to want to keep pounding away that Mel and you were there to save everyone. I think THAT is what people are having a hard time with. Mel was just as complicit as anyone else. The "gram" (god that irritates me, I don't know why) was fucked FROM THE GODDAMN GET GO. There was never and is not any way to "improve" what is sadistic and screwed from the beginning.
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I'd rather do shrooms with Pirate, but that's just me :D
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i was told the place was going to change radically and they wanted my help.....i thought it was worth a try.....i was way wrong man...so was Mel......thats all....yes there were ppl in/on my phases treated way worse than i was.........i never said there wasn't........comparing mel riddle with miller newton,you're right,i don't think mel was that bad.....i never saw him throw anyone to the floor,yell and scream at someone till they cracked up,sent ppl to the time out room etc......as far as him supporting what the group staff were doing in there was bullshit......he wasn't in there enough to know what was going on all the time.......and we weren't allowed to just go up and talk to him because of the fucking chain of command.......he was wrong in many ways,like everyone else that was involved in straight.......but i don't think he was the monster miller was ever..........i just don't....thats my opinion......i never said i was a hippie guru,but if thats how you percieve me,thanks man.......look,i look at everything objectivly....a lot of times i try to take my feelings out of it and write from the heart.....i fucking hated that place as much anyone on here........i was a fool to think or believe i could honestly help change the place.........you're right,it wasn't possible and i paid dearly for it........do i think i'm better than anyone on here or think i had it worse than anyone,hell no.......thats not the message i was trying to convey at all......but when one only types with one finger,{like me} i tend to just want to get my post up as quick as i can......and my words get misunderstood....not to mention that a letter is never as good as a conversation.......all you can go by is what i wrote on the post,so for that,i'm sorry{again}.........i'm not perfect man,i never said i was either........but i don't hide behind a "guest" name either,so i'm easy to critisise........easy to fuck with too.........oh well wtf can i do about that? not much........hippie
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let me say this.....was mel wrong for buying the way straight dealt with ppl in there? yes YES he was.......it was a bad thing for any professional that came down the pike to do......but i'm wise enough to see how that happened.....you see,MILLER only showed him or anyone else what he wanted them to see......just like our parents! he was CONNED just like our parents too........i just don't hold him to the level i hold Miller at.....Miller knew EVERYTHING ! nothing that went on in St.Pete did Miller not know.....it was his character personality......in the time i was in there,i saw Miller come in just to ream someone.....this would be early in the morning etc.....he went out of his way to do so........i'll bet he dropped a lot of other things that needed done just to do so......everytime i saw that guy my ass would pucker......anytime he was in the group room,you knew someones head was going to roll......i never felt that way around mel......i just didn't.......why did i go on staff {even if it was just 5 weeks of bullshit}
after 3 1/2 yrs? because i couldn't hold a job or function in the world.....between my hearing loss and the damage i recieved in that fucking place,i was disfunctional.....all in the world i wanted to do was be SOMETHING more than a huck........i tried college,but that was more sitting in a blue chair for me......i couldn't hear an alarm clock , so i got fired and confronted by my bosses a lot....sometimes i wouldn't even go to work if i was even a few minutes late or to avoid confrontation,i would just look for a new job........when i was told/convinced that that place was going to change radically and they wanted ppl with real out of the program sobriety time,i thought "shit,this is my chance to show them the real problems with that place.........show them what doesn't / didn't work.........." i was under the impression that everyone up there in boston was in agreeance with that.......thats why i went up there with my head up my ass.......i had no idea that dean minstretta and sylvia koulker had no intentions of changing shit......i also had no idea that they were going to shaft me as soon as i came up....i had no idea they had something against me....shit the crap that happened to me up in boston after i was fired,i had no idea was perpetrated by straight.....i just thought i had really bad luck........it wasn't until 6 months or so that i realised or should i say,that the truth was told to me.........call me ignorant...call me a fool......whatever......i'm just a dumb abused phaser that got more of the same 6 +yrs later.........do i hate those ppl or have anything against them.....?....yes i have an axe to gring with 2 ppl up in boston......after what i was put through,who wouldn't? do i have anything for mel? no,not really......i've been trying to see him and plan this week and next week to talk to him...i want him to know what happened to me up there or should i say,what really happened to me up there....for my own closure and sanity,i need to do this....if i find out that he did know what happened to me or told them to trash me,yes i'll have an axe to grind with him.......yeah,i'm pissed that he talked me into going up there......but i'm not mad at him...at least not right now...am i mad at Miller? hell yes i am....i'm mad at him for ppl i don't even know about that he harmed...look at all of us.....he personally harmed 150,000+ ppl,but think of all the straights there were...the "template for straight" he left behind,hurt many many more ppl than even he knows about,let alone what we can imagine!....joey glaze? jim sailor?....hell yes...they hurt ppl for nothing.....they got off on thier power..........other staff?.....not really......most of them got conned......i believe a great deal of them really thought they were helping ppl out.......or should i say,really wanted to help ppl.......all of us are responsible for something in there.....that was the fucking way it was in there.....some of us took a lot more crap than others,for some reason staff and the group took thier aggressions out on them.........they were scapegoated....i fit in that catagory....i don't hate anyone......not really........in the end i forgave Paul Meyer for his hand in what happened to me up there in boston......i just can't hold a grudge towards him.....its just too stressful for me.....i can't handle stress anymore.......i find it easier to like someone than to hate them......i wrote back and forth to mark and i talked to starry on the phone today and i feel that we worked out our differences.....in the end,thats all that counts.......you know,i care about everyone on this or any other straight site.....you guys are my brothers and sisters......i can't turn my back on you no matter how mad i might be at any of you at the moment...its just the way i am,i can't seem to help it...i know i'm controversal.....for some fucked up reason,i always have been..i can't help that either...thats the story of my life man.......i hope this dispells some of the misinterpetations about me for any of you.....sorry this was a long letter......hippie
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Very well said. I think this should alleviate a lot of the confusion.
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I don't put Riddile on the same level as Newton. No one was as sadistic as he was but I think you've really got a blind spot where Riddile is concerned. He knew everything that went on. He may not have actually dished out the beatings or even been in the room but there is no fucking way he didn't know what was going on. Fuck, you could hear the screams throughout the building. He knew kids were being extremely sleep deprived. He knew food was being withheld or limited as punishment. He knew about the forced confessions and confrontation and marathoning. He knew about the control through fear atmosphere, the arbitrary phase drops, kids having power (incredible power) over other kids subjecting them to the moods and whims of people that were themselves being abused.
You seem like decent enough guy but IMO you're sticking your head in the sand on this issue. You had a relationship with the guy so it's not hard to understand why you wouldn't want to admit that someone you respected wasn't all that you thought they were.
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I'd rather do shrooms with Pirate, but that's just me :D
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I'd rather mainline hard shit with, well, maybe by myself.........
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I'd rather do shrooms with Pirate, but that's just me :D
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I'd rather mainline hard shit with, well, maybe by myself.........
You ever boot coke? I did a few times when I was 20 with some people I was hanging out with.. they gace it to me. After I did it, I couldn't shut up to save my life! I started reciting butthole surfers lyrics which annoyed the shit out of everyone else there.
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You ever boot coke? I did a few times when I was 20 with some people I was hanging out with.. they gave it to me. After I did it, I couldn't shut up to save my life! I started reciting butthole surfers lyrics which annoyed the shit out of everyone else there.
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I couldn't shut up to save my life! I started reciting butthole surfers lyrics which annoyed the shit out of everyone else there.
if thats what happens when a person shoots it up,i'd have been shot immediatly......i'm like that sometimes and NO coke was needed.....lol....hippie
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if thats what happens when a person shoots it up,i'd have been shot immediatly......i'm like that sometimes and NO coke was needed.....lol....hippie
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You seem like decent enough guy but IMO you're sticking your head in the sand on this issue. You had a relationship with the guy so it's not hard to understand why you wouldn't want to admit that someone you respected wasn't all that you thought they were
i knew Mel way before str8......he was my truant officer and student administrator......he was always a "by the book" guy....he was never a cruel person and he really did want to help ppl.....i never hated him back then,even though he busted me for skipping class etc......you're right,i did respect him.........as far as what happened in straight,anyone who took a job there is percieved as an abuser......anyone who was there did abuse to some degree.....i believe that he took a job there thinking that he was getting in on the ground floor of something great.....it backfired in his face
and eventually ruined him for a good while......yes he was responsible for everything that went on there,but that was hard to know or moniter all the time,unless you were there personally>like Miller......less than a yr after taking the job in virginia,Mel became in charge of all Straights......he was hardly in his office let alone every straight........because of the way straight was run,most things never reached his office desk.......they got swept under the rug way before it ever got near him.......wrong? yes.......do i blame him? yes....but i'm wise enough to know that it was out of his control.......he was counting on 8 directors to inform him etc.....a lot of things happened under his nose.......put it this way,is a DEAN of a big college responsible for everything that happens in that college? all the rapes,all the drug dealings,all the stealing,all the fights and everything else that happens in that college? no>but it falls on him because he is the DEAN....ultimatly he has to answer for it........you're right,Mel should've known everything,but he didn't.....what he did know? he's guilty......i'm not here telling any of you that he's innocent.......he's guilty as charged........but i know in my heart{because i knew him} that he was a far far cry from Miller........Miller was guilty because Miller CREATED a lot of the ways ,if not most of the ways ,that place ran! he got off on hurting us.....he enjoyed it.......he went way out of his way to come in and screw us.....shit,he'd come in on a sunday afternoon just to hammer a split for the day.......that man never came in for the sheer enjoyment of actually helping us.......!Mel wasn't like that......if it seems like i'm defending Mels actions,thats why.........do i hold him responsible? yes i do.......but honestly,i'm comparing the 2 ppl...thats all......he was wrong,but in a different way....i hope this makes sense to you guys......anyone that was a director or executive staff in there could've stopped it or quit.....i believe many thought they could change it and stayed on......i know the director of boston was the same way as Mel.....but his second in command and Dean minstretta were not....they did everything to me behind his back w/o his knowledge......screwed my life up "old straight" style and acted like they were going along with him.........is that his fault?yes because he should've known,but no because they made sure he didn't know and acted like it wasn't personal and they were doing his bidding.......oh well,i'm just rambling now......hip
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but honestly,i'm comparing the 2 ppl...thats all......he was wrong,but in a different way....i hope this makes sense to you guys......anyone that was a director or executive staff in there could've stopped it or quit.....i believe many thought they could change it and stayed on......
Got it.
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Yes, as I said before I agree that Mel and Virg were not the same, by any stretch of the imagination. But we'll just have to disagree on the rest. I believe whole-heartedly that Mel knew of the abuses, knew of the styles of treatment. He may not have been aware of every incident but he knew HOW the program worked. I'll take your word for it that he intended to do some good but once he got in and saw the methodology he should have known better. Even conceding (for the sake of argument only) that he didn't know, he should have. There would be no excuse in the world not to. It's not like they were isolated incidents, it was the entire structure of the place and if he didn't know it's because he closed his eyes to it. I might feel differently if I thought he took any resonsibility at all for his part in the mindfuck, but he never has to my knowledge.
Just my $.02. I'll drop it now.
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but he never has to my knowledge
i agree with you there......this is why i want to talk to him personally.....for my own selfish reasons,i have to know......if i can get the chance to talk to him , i'll let you know{all of you} ......i'm really not concerned whether he knew of the abuses or not,i'm sure he did.....just remember this,they weren't viewed as abuses back then,they were viewed as "therapy".......remember,straight was considered "revolutionary" etc........what i want to know is what he thinks about it now....has he changed his views on the whole thing,or what?...i think now,this is more important to me than whether he knew about the abuses.......he knew.....at least he knew that there were some bad practices being done back then....i don't expect him to know everything that went on in there.....thats just not possible.........i want to know his take on all of it now.......i think this is important for all of us........i don't hold anything against him personally....at least not yet........he was sucked into that place just like our own parents!.........Miller only showed him what miller wanted him to see......i want to know if he thinks that straight was wrong.....if it was a big mistake in his life to be part of it....before i go and say he was a jerk etc........you know?......hippie
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i'm really not concerned whether he knew of the abuses or not,i'm sure he did....
Yes, so am I. That's been my point all along.
.just remember this,they weren't viewed as abuses back then,they were viewed as "therapy".......remember,straight was considered "revolutionary" etc.......
Only by a few. Most saw it for what it was.
.what i want to know is what he thinks about it now....has he changed his views on the whole thing,or what?...i think now,this is more important to me than whether he knew about the abuses.......he knew.....at least he knew that there were some bad practices being done back then....i don't expect him to know everything that went on in there.....thats just not possible.........i want to know his take on all of it now......
Agreed. I'd like to know too.
he was sucked into that place just like our own parents!.........Miller only showed him what miller wanted him to see.....
So now Mel is a victim here? Our parents didn't have access to raps that were going on. Our parents didn't have access to the staff meetings. Miller wasn't there with him every minute of the day. Mel had plenty of opportunity to know what was going on, especially after he got his own program to run. If he didn't, shame on him
.i want to know if he thinks that straight was wrong.....if it was a big mistake in his life to be part of it....before i go and say he was a jerk etc........you know?......hippie
No I don't know. I think he was a jerk for standing by and doing nothing to prevent what happened back then. I think he's a jerk for keeping silent all these years about it. I'm still interested to know what he thinks now and I hope he realises some things but it doesn't change my opinion of how he behaved back then. It was wrong, dead wrong. There is no way in hell that he couldn't have known.
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we,the ppl in straight,knew it was abuse.....the media and others saw it as revolutionary......etc........when i was in the time out room for 2 days,i knew it was bullshit,you knew it was bullshit,but the overall image was tough love crap and that was percieved as ok by the media.....like i said,if Miller had shown Nancy Reagan someone with body carvings all over themselves,instead of removing them from group,do you think the media and the such would've gave Straight such a favorable outlook and image?...no i don't think so......shit man,they snooked a lot of very smart ppl......my dad was a US Army Col.! i saw lawyers,police chiefs,{my friends dad was chief of police of falls church.......he recently told me if he had known,he would've shut the place down}>they were brainwashed way worse than us......and they were told we'd all die w/o thier "great" help........after i was huuued by straight,they{the director Jim Murray} got me a job at a mental health hospital......in my first 2 weeks there,i had to go through some kind of "training"......my last day there i saw electro shock "therapy"......because of my background in straight,they made sure i saw this.....when i was asked what i thought of it,i said "i'd rather be taken out back and shot in the head.....".....that,of course is not what the doctor in command of that place wanted to hear,and i was not employed there very long.......they were trying to brainwash me into accepting that as therapy........i didn't buy it......i got fired not long after that......i believe this is what they did to many of the ppl that were vying for spots on executive staff......i saw alot of ppl that were there to become executive staff,that never made it.......some got scratched out immediatly,some later and some bought it lock,stock and barrel.....mel was one of them.....think about it.....didn't you notice that only a few of the parents decided to put thier kids in there...most of the ppl that came in to check out straight in open meeting for thier kids didn't put them in? i did..........a cult always tricks its victims....shows them only enough to keep them there......then,when they're in too deep,they're in.......no,i'm not saying Mel was a victim like we were,what happened to us was unvoluntary.....what happened to our parents was voluntary by using thier fears as a way to get ppl in there.....what happened to Mel{who never had kids in there} was voluntary by deception.......he was told "look at our sucess rate" "if we don't know what we're doing,then explain our sucess"....he was never shown a kid being exersised to death,or sat on,or beaten up....places like straight don't show everything all at once,but a little at a time....look at our parents,thier kid came back home with newcomers>some watched thier kids treat the newcomers like shit and didn't think WTF is this? they got sucked in...Mel got sucked in.......my mom told me that after a while he wasn't buying it anymore and wanted to change it around.....the ppl higher up didn't .....he got in a fight,and i mean fist fight, with one of them and resigned/quit.........until i see him,i want to believe this because he did get in a fight and did resign.......i want to talk to him and get the truth.......for a good while,i thought like you did,until my mom told me that story of how he quit........we'll see soon........that fucking place ruined a lot of ppl....i'm not trying to change your mind,its just that when this was presented to me the way it was,i had to look at it objectivly....if our own parents were tricked>and they {for the most part} loved us,then why isn't it hard to see that this shit happened to others the same way? a cult is a cult.....trickery is thier trade and they need credible ppl to make it work...........hippie
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I completely disagree with most of what you just said, not all but most of it. But.....I'm really tired of going round and round. You dig Mel (almost to the point of worship, it's a little creepy) and will continue to defend his good name to no end, I think he's a fucking child abuser. Not in the same vein as Miller but a child abuser nontheless. Guess we'll have to leave our differences there.
I hope you get a chance to talk to him. Do let us know if he accepts any responsibility for what he did.
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worship him? please man,give me a break......i haven't seen him in 20 yrs......he a man,thats all......he was wrong in supporting straight......the real reason i don't have a major beef towards him except for his involvement in straight is because{and i found out about this 8 months ago from my mom} when we came up from st.pete and i had made it back up to 5th phase and been on it around 2 months,he called my mom into his office...he said "i'm going to 7 step your son this friday"...my mom told me she said "halleluia"......then she said he looked at her and said "no ,not halleluia" "i don't know why he was started over to start with....matt should've never been started over to begin with.......".....my mom held that back from me for 23 yrs.......then we talked about him......she told me how and why he was fired or resigned.......look man,something changed his attitude towards the place......when he sent me up there,he told me that he wanted to change the place around...hire ppl from AA to be staff and ppl that had been sober out of straight for quite some time......it never got off the ground.....i was screwed royaly by dean and sylvia and he got fired/resigned......i want to know the truth.....thats all....not be just mad at him for working at straight just because he did.........thats how i was before my mom told me all the things i just told you.........now i want to talk to him and find out what was happening/happened........could it be that they had him by the balls after he left? and thats why he never said anything bad about the place? i wouldn't put it past them to do it....they followed me around and destroyed every endevor i tried a hand at after boston.......i believe he'll tell me the truth...or at least part of it......i need to know and so do all of us that had him as director.......like me,after straight,he just vanished for a good while......only in the last 5-10 yrs has he surfaced again......i know he was no saint,but i need to know the truth about him as far as straights concerned........how he feels about it now.......i hope i do.....for you and me and everyone else...if you're right,and you could very well be,i won't argue that,i'm man enough to tell you that.....ok?..hippie
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Look, my only real disagreement with you is that you say he wasn't aware of the abuses that went on and I say he was. I'm interested in how he feels about it now but I'm also interested in why he allowed it to go on back then and why he hasn't ever spoken up about it since. Worship wasn't the right word either, I guess it's your vehement defense of him that's puzzling to me.
Can we agree to disagree on this and be done now? Please don't rehash your entire history again to illustrate your point.
That's not intended to be mean, you just keep telling me the same thing over and over again. I really do understand what you're saying and agree with a good part of it, just not all of it.
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its cool man.....i want to know too.....hip
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You ever boot coke? I did a few times when I was 20 with some people I was hanging out with.. they gave it to me. After I did it, I couldn't shut up to save my life! I started reciting butthole surfers lyrics which annoyed the shit out of everyone else there.
I'm high on it right now.
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Give Smel some money toward his blow buddy Charlie Crist gov campaign and I bet you will be able to talk with him. But, be aware that the cash outlay will need to be a few grrrrrrrrrrr.
Anyway, you are a trash druggie and don't even really exist to him and his kind. Reason will not cut it with the "man". Don't waste your time.
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Give Smel some money toward his blow buddy Charlie Crist gov campaign and I bet you will be able to talk with him. But, be aware that the cash outlay will need to be a few grrrrrrrrrrr.
Anyway, you are a trash druggie and don't even really exist to him and his kind. Reason will not cut it with the "man". Don't waste your time.
Wrong Mel. We're talking Mel Riddile.
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ouch; maybe I should read the entire post beore I respond..... :D
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ouch; maybe I should read the entire post beore I respond..... :D
ATLEAST WE R NOT N SR8 ANYMORE.
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Not sure where hippie and pirate are so much in disagreement. Pirate has often said that Straight without the abuse would be a transformative experience. Right, Pirate?
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A transformative experience is not necessarily a good one.
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Excellent point, Smithers!
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Not sure where hippie and pirate are so much in disagreement. Pirate has often said that Straight without the abuse would be a transformative experience. Right, Pirate?
Isn't that a little presumptious? I mean, if you delete the abusive techniques, all that is left is a buidling and some benign pop culture sayings like 'the serenity prayer'.
Blah and bullshit. You can't do it. It is like saying, if Jeffrey Dahmer didn't eat people, then he wouldn't have been a canabil.' In other words, it is a meaningless proclamation.
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stop defending him-hasn't he fucked you up enough already?
If you have information, give it to Cassandra.
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Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
And if he continues to misbehave, get a few phasers to sit on him. If that doesn't work, marathon him.
Typical brainwashed Stepcult thinking---If you disagree with the truth of an opinion or statement, ignore it, if it really bothers you, silence them through physical coercion or intimidation. Quit knocking Pirate, he happened to see the truth of this parody and pointed it out. Get over yourself and your hero's messiah complex.
::cheers:: ::cheers:: :nworthy:
Hear ye, Hear ye, Bitches!
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Hear ye, Hear ye, Bitches!
What? Hear what?
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Hear ye, Hear ye, Bitches!
What? Hear what?
Read the fuckin quote, bitch. I aint gonna spoonfeed you the interweb, motherfucker...
Love ya, ~Nail
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Hear ye, Hear ye, Bitches!
What? Hear what?
Read the fuckin quote, bitch. I aint gonna spoonfeed you the interweb, motherfucker...
Love ya, ~Nail
I did read it..& still didn't get what you were referring to. You seem a bit on edge or something. No worries, that's cool, we all have our moments.
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Who wants to play newcomer/oldcomer?
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Depends.. Are you male or female?
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Depends. Are you a newcomer or an oldcomer?
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Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
And if he continues to misbehave, get a few phasers to sit on him. If that doesn't work, marathon him.
Typical brainwashed Stepcult thinking---If you disagree with the truth of an opinion or statement, ignore it, if it really bothers you, silence them through physical coercion or intimidation. Quit knocking Pirate, he happened to see the truth of this parody and pointed it out. Get over yourself and your hero's messiah complex.
This wasn't about the truth of an opinion or statement in dispute, it was about something cruel written to make a mockery of Hippie. It was cruel sarcasm from start to finish, the grand finale to weeks or months of Hippie being a pariah around here. It was mean in intention and hurtful in effect. It wasn't intelligent, it wasn't helpful, it wasn't illuminating or even talented. Punches get thrown for less all the time, do you not go out? You people think it is fine to single someone out to make a mockery of them, sorry, but that reminds me more of the humiliation tactics used at Straight, and I bet a lot of people WISH we had thrown a punch at the time back then, but it was hundreds against one.
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No, it was a salient response to someone suggesting physical violence against Pirate for seeing the humor in the OP.
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Dr. Fucktard, what do you think about all of this?
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No, it was a salient response to someone suggesting physical violence against Pirate for seeing the humor in the OP.
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Hippie ignore these cretins. By the way, this pirate and you live in the same state. If he starts irritating you too much with how much he can see and how much you can't see, don't forget the simple, forgotten pleasure of landing a good punch.
And if he continues to misbehave, get a few phasers to sit on him. If that doesn't work, marathon him.
Typical brainwashed Stepcult thinking---If you disagree with the truth of an opinion or statement, ignore it, if it really bothers you, silence them through physical coercion or intimidation. Quit knocking Pirate, he happened to see the truth of this parody and pointed it out. Get over yourself and your hero's messiah complex.
This wasn't about the truth of an opinion or statement in dispute, it was about something cruel written to make a mockery of Hippie. It was cruel sarcasm from start to finish, the grand finale to weeks or months of Hippie being a pariah around here. It was mean in intention and hurtful in effect. It wasn't intelligent, it wasn't helpful, it wasn't illuminating or even talented. Punches get thrown for less all the time, do you not go out? You people think it is fine to single someone out to make a mockery of them, sorry, but that reminds me more of the humiliation tactics used at Straight, and I bet a lot of people WISH we had thrown a punch at the time back then, but it was hundreds against one.
::boohoo:: ::both:: ::fuckoff:: ::both:: ::fuckoff:: ::boycott::
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the grand finale to weeks or months of Hippie being a pariah around here
Poor Hippie. Come on you guys. You know he had it worse than all of us, cut the guy some slack. He was one of the good staff. He had to put up with people getting him in trouble for NO REASON...NO REASON. Can you imagine??
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The original post is a stand-up and rip.
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The original post is a stand-up and rip.
You mean like a pie-in-the-face kind of thing?
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The original post is a stand-up and rip.
You mean like a pie-in-the-face kind of thing?
Yeah, I can picture that!
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Yeah, really a good natured ribbing. Shit, Hip, don't take yourself so seriously all the time.
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I am troubled by this. I'm going to retire to my office and close the door.
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Knock, knock...
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Who's there?