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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: MightyAardvark on April 15, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
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A thought has occurred to me.
It is possible that the general public simply still don't know enough about what's going on inside these places. An idea has been suggested to me for an advertising campaign, we can use local stations etc to put out short (30 seconds or so) with footage like Randall Hinton desribing pepper spraying a child with a captions to say "this man is a WWasps employee and the principal of White Rivers Acadamy
or we get a shot of Wayne Winder with a voice over:
"This man is Wayne Winder, He's a WWasps empolyee and the principal of Majestic Ranch in Utah. In Nevada he was convicted of Child abuse, assault and sexual assault. He's no longer allowed near children. Don't let him near yours"
What do you all think of this idea, who would be willing to help and how could we put together the funding to make it work?
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Maybe we could ask stations to play the 30 second commercial for free since it aims to stop child abuse???? Even if only 10% go for it, it lowers the overall cost.
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I suppose that would be a start.
We still need to get them made and that costs money.
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People pay for professional voiceovers, but you could do it yourself. Anyone handy with computer editing?
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On 2006-04-15 08:36:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"A thought has occurred to me.
It is possible that the general public simply still don't know enough about what's going on inside these places. An idea has been suggested to me for an advertising campaign, we can use local stations etc to put out short (30 seconds or so) with footage like Randall Hinton desribing pepper spraying a child with a captions to say "this man is a WWasps employee and the principal of White Rivers Acadamy
or we get a shot of Wayne Winder with a voice over:
"This man is Wayne Winder, He's a WWasps empolyee and the principal of Majestic Ranch in Utah. In Nevada he was convicted of Child abuse, assault and sexual assault. He's no longer allowed near children. Don't let him near yours"
What do you all think of this idea, who would be willing to help and how could we put together the funding to make it work?
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Makes as much sense as taking out ads that attack the AFL-CIO because you're mad at a car salesman. Think structure here, MA.
One program is not every other. Your assumptions weaken every idea you bring up: every person who has ever benefitted in any way from any program can immediately disprove what you say, because you speak in absolutes.
One is not every other; you can't change reality for the sake of sensationalism. People aren't that dumb. Acting as though they are just insults intelligent listeners who might otherwise help you.
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On 2006-04-15 08:36:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"A thought has occurred to me.
It is possible that the general public simply still don't know enough about what's going on inside these places. An idea has been suggested to me for an advertising campaign, we can use local stations etc to put out short (30 seconds or so) with footage like Randall Hinton desribing pepper spraying a child with a captions to say "this man is a WWasps employee and the principal of White Rivers Acadamy
or we get a shot of Wayne Winder with a voice over:
"This man is Wayne Winder, He's a WWasps empolyee and the principal of Majestic Ranch in Utah. In Nevada he was convicted of Child abuse, assault and sexual assault. He's no longer allowed near children. Don't let him near yours"
What do you all think of this idea, who would be willing to help and how could we put together the funding to make it work?
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I think it's a great idea. The more you show these child-abusers for what they are, the better. They think they can abuse kids in the shadows, time to bring some light.There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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So the question is, does anyone have any idea where to go for funding?
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Ophra is claiming to be anti child sexual predator abuser.Ask her to fund any efforts to keep sicko perverts away from kids etc.
She and her staff should be familiar with WWASP by now.
Lets see if she "walks the talk"......
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That's a great idea. The greater the number of hits and links we can generate the further up Google we'll be pushed. Let's try or that. In the mean time, Oprah is a good bet. Does anyone have any idea what the odds of getting suppord from the CLDS would be, I mean those guys do not like bad publicity?
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This is a topic I've raised before and it's never really gotten anywhere. Personally I think ISAC or Fornits are really the places that the money ought to be going. I'm already in touch with Shelby over at ISAC over funding.
Should I consider approaching CAICA or Parentsadvocates.org for assistance too?
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Thanks very much waygookin. It's really encouraging to get this sort of reaction. I'll let you know what the best way to make a donation is. I don't have much in the way of resources myself, but those I have are comitted to this.
I'll let you know how to make a donation as soon as I'm set up to get this done.
Who do we know that's got a certain amount of skill with video editing etc?
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As a side note, would you mind filling me in on the issues with CAICA?
email me mightyaardvark@gmail.com
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Seems to me if the author of HELP AT ANY COST could get on Oprah and promote her book, that would get things rolling?
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Already in touch with the Oprah production people.
Still need more suggestions or offers to get this one off the ground.
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I suggest that we get together some of the survivors to talk about their experiences in an infomercial. At the end of the AT the end of the infomercial this question should be asked. George Bush does 1 million dollars to the republican party protect the WWASP child torture business? You might get support from democratic heavyweights because you connect the republicans to child torture. They may smell scandel. Also mabbe, Michael Morer might be interested in doing this type of documentary.
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But he is a very skilled documentary maker who can get documentaries into theatre distribution.
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The prob with moore is hed make it about *HIM* and *BUSH* and the *GOP* and miss that its about the KIDS and the INDUSTRY... and the GOP. :roll:
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I personally would not be able to donate very much, and I'm sure this is the situation with many people. However, I am very willing to write the letters, do the research, put up the websites, etc...I have to admit I am not the type of person to take the reigns though, that's why we have aardvark. haha :smile:
Anyway do you think a broad website/blog campaign would really help though? I just feel like there are so many different organizations out there all working seperately, when they would be better served as one.
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LOL i got professional video editing software. I just got Abode Premier 2.0. When i workded for the Deomocratic Party they sent me to a studio to put toghter a add and that is what they used to make commercials. I just figured it out and i can now cut a commercial now i just need more footage and i will not do a voice over as my voice sucks. I am thinkin about putting toghter a commercial using footage slamming repulicans and trying to get the democratic party to see it they will air it or even improve it.
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That's cool, at least put it up on the web... I'd love to see it.
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ThreeSpringWaygooking has a number of very good points. Michael Moore is out because
A: he's a lying turd
B: He's a lying turd
C: He's a self aggrandising lying turd.
He'd take this footage and make it part of his personal crusade, which would discredit us by association.
On the topic of finance, I can see why you would be concerned about the degree of control we give outside investors (assuming I can find any)
The problem we have here is that we are going toe to toe with a company that can dish out a million dollars in GOP bribes without blinking and advertising on national TV can cost a truly staggering amount of money, around a hundred thousand dollars for a nationally advertised thirty second slot. Quite simply, regardless of control I don't think this is going to happen without either a huge amount of fundraising and co-operation from Fornits, NYRA, ISAC, Teenadvocatesusa and ParentsAdvocates.
If I can deep the Demo's out of it I intend to. As TSW says, we don't want to wind up harnessed to a political bandwagon. If anyone here has good working or personal relationships with any of these groups please get in touch.
We have plenty of materiel to work with but I will need a couple of people to help with research. I've been pulling ten hour days with this stuff, and conducting interviews and honestly I'm just too tired and I have a full time job to do to pay my rent, thankyou Emaree for volunteering for that. We've arranged a chat tonight I know so we can go over this.
The Anonymous with the editing software, I think I know who you are. Get in touch ASAP if you please and we can look at advertising techniques.
I think this addresses all of the issues that have been presented. I'm goig to go away and have a think. Anyone with any fundraising ideas please let me know. Thanks.
MightyAardvark@gmail.com
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Another idea might be to target psychiatrists who refer parents to EdCons. I know the psychiatrist I got reccomended by had no idea what was further down the food chain. Probably therapists too and whoever else is involved in the referals. Just a thought!
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Threesprings, can you email me or IM me please?
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For fundraising, if you were a non-profit organization and people got a tax deduction for donating, I think you could get some money together. I am not wealthy at all but would be able to give a small amount.
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This is all very encouraging. All feedbackis welcome.
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So, we've got a few people interested and a few potential donors and some ideas to bat around. Now, I wanna keep this thread to discuss potential financeial solutions, sources of help and useful ideas. However there is a great deal of span on these pages and I'm stick of getting dragging into personal arguments so would anyone with ideas/time/money/suggestions to contribute, or anyone who just wants to be involved please message me and let's see if we can't get something worked out. We've potentially got a really good weapon here but only if we use it carefully.
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sorry for the post but i'm pleased to say that my church has "agreed in principle" to supply a small amoount of funding. We guys we are up and running