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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: BuzzKill on March 18, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
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A friend of mine wrote to see about obtaining a copy and the following email was received. She forwarded it to me, and I asked her permission to post it here.
It seems to confirm that WWASP is trying to keep the film from being distributed here in the USA.
From: Ma�lle Guenegues
To:
Subject: Re: Documentary exposing WWASP
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:24 AM
Hello,
Thank you very much for you request regarding "Tranquility Bay" by Mathieu Verboud & Jean Robert Viallet.
We can sell you a NTSC copy of the film for $65 + $20 for shipping.
If you agree with these conditions, please send me a confirmation by email.
We will then send you an invoice and the vhs as soon as we receive your payment.
There is 2 weeks delay to have the NTSC copy made.
Please, make sure that all taxes & bank costs are at your charge.
Kind regards,
Ma�lle Guenegues
Doc & Co
13 rue Portefoin
F-75003 Paris
Tel: 33 1 42 77 56 87
Fax: 33 1 42 77 36 56
email: http://www.doc-co.com (http://www.doc-co.com)
Subject: Re: Documentary exposing WWASP
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:49 AM
Hi ,
After giving it a second thought, and since I'm not up-to-date as to the current status between WWASP and the production company and distribution of this title in the USA. I'd rather you direct your request directly to them. Here is their email: doc@doc-co.com (http://mailto:doc@doc-co.com)
http://www.doc-co.com (http://www.doc-co.com)
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Is this the same one documentary?
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... 8&Itemid=2 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=188&Itemid=2)
Has anyone obtained a copy yet? What's the word??
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No, I don't think that's the same one.
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Yeah - that's the one I'm talking about.
It recently aired in Australia.
I feel confident we'll eventually be able to get it.
It must be very eye opening for WWASP to be suing to keep it out of the country.
Seems like that would raise some interest with the first Amendment folks - the media hounds and so on.
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Buzz,
This is the problem with these kinds of stories.
"The film follows the progress of a defamation suit that WWASP brought against single mother, Sue Scheff, who set up a website detailing her objections to the way her son was treated in Tranquility Bay, Jamaica."
They aren't accurate. With facts that are as false as this one, who can you beleive?
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Well, Not having had the op to see the documentary as of yet, I would say that this is a result of the blurb author not paying close enough attention to the content; and making some assumptions that would have been corrected, had they paid closer attention.
The only miss-statement in the quote is that Sue's son went to TB. I expect the blurb author assumed her beef was with TB - b/c the film is largely dealing with TB; and not understanding that TB is part of a much larger problem; and that Susan was objecting to the larger problem. I'd say, probably, they also assume one of the boys interviewed was Susan's child.
We know differently - but the blurb author does not - and is reviewing a film in a language that is not their own.
The Blurb is inaccurate with regard to this bit about Suan'as details - but I don't think this means the film itself will be inaccurate in any respect.
WWASPS efforts to with hold it from American viewers, makes me think it is most likely very accurate - and disturbing - and that is why they are fighting to keep it off the air over here.
Keep in mind - these are the same people who brag about keeping a girl on her face in OP for 18 months! No problem with telling the world all about it. So, why are they fighting to keep this French documentary off the air, unless it is exposing disturbing information that is all to accurate, and that might actually effect business?
But, as WWASPS doesn't want to let us see it, we shall have to reserve final judgment until we can somehow thwart their efforts to with hold it.
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Personally, I think the WWASPS v. PURE trial will go down in history as a non-consequential in the big picture. If that's what the documentary focuses on, then it's a waste of time and money. The stories the children told to help bolster Scheff's case have all been told before .. there are hundreds of them out there. WWASPS is past the point of worrying about suffering any consequences as a result of allegations of abuse. Frankly, most people who hear this stuff blame the parents for being so reckless with their child's safety and well-being.
WWASPS is adding more and more schools to their network ... spreading like a cancer into every region of the U.S. It's past the point of trying to stop them ... and besides, you are all forgetting something key to their success and fast growth: TROUBLED PARENTS. As long as there are troubled parents, the WWAAPS programs will be full of their kids.
That's a fact ... which no documentary French or American made will change. At best, it will provide some interesting entertainment, like Brat Camp, people are desensitized to child abuse and/or exploitation. It's become reality tv.
Pass the popcorn!!!
:smokin:
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Case in point, for every WWASPS school that gets shut down or turned down ... another one pops up. I expect to see double the number of WWASPS member schools and programs within the next 5 years, maybe even triple. Even if regulated, but the numbers make sense, they will still BUILD IT AND PEOPLE WILL COME. They have the war chest (financing) and like I said earlier, they have the desperate, troubled parents (clientle).
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Why begin and end w/ WWASP? This has been going on for over thirty years, folks. It started out w/ Bobby DuPont as head of the National Institute of Drug Abuse being tasked by Nixon to find a magic bullet for the expected wave of heroin addicted Vietnam vets. That epidemic never materialized, but the war had already been declared, funded and set into motion.
So just lately, ya'll have come into contact with these lunatics. Welcome to my nightmare. And the pro-drug war, pro-program people seem to be all a twitter with excitement over the coming coupe, don't they? But I think all this publicity and success is about the worst thing that could ever happen to the industry.
There's a major, glaring and insurmountable flaw in their reasoning. They based their enthusiasm on the idea that the vast majority of Program graduates are better off than before and pleased with the experience. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most program grads, even those who sincerely believe that their lives took a turn for the better as a result of the intervention would not place their own kids into a similar program nor recommend it to friends.
The growing army of happy Program supporters simply doesn't exist. If it did, well think about it. How many families have been involved in the toughlove hategroup over the last 36 years or so? Hundreds of thousands? A million? Millions? So... where are they now? Except for the few reprobates in government and those who have cloistered themselves in the industry, no one else with firsthand experience w/ these groups will support or even tolerate them in their own lives and communities.
No, I think this whole sad saga is about at the tipping point. I also think it's closely tied to broader social and political trends. Take the Büsh people for example. They've been stark raving loony for decades. It's been truly frightening for someone like me watching someone like that flakazoid, Donald Rumsfeld, hold forth with his diatribes on pop philosophy in response to important questions on foreign policy and not be dragged from the podium by the nice young men in their clean white coats. But that's changing.
More and more people are starting to come to grips with the harsh reality that these people are nucking futz. And I think the Martin Lee Anderson story is starting to break broadly. They're not just talking about these particular sadistic guards who's flesh and blood was involved in that torture/murder. They're talking about the sadistic lunatics who give them their orders. And they happen to be the very same people who put their own kids in the early Synanon based programs, the Seed and Straight.
The hook is coming out, these dangerous lunatics are being dragged off stage, the game is almost over. Thank God, thank God!
...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
-- George Mason
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You might be right.
Hard to say just yet, what effect, if any, the WWASP V PURE trial will have.
The one real value that it provided is a sworn to record of the abuse that takes place. IMO - Ken Kay's testimony was very enlightning. And of corse, I feel the parents who testified have provided an invaluable public record of the realities of WWASPs' programs.
All of this may be very helpful in educating the public. It may be useful in getting state and federal legislation passed. Or not. Its still to soon to tell.
WWASP often discounts this kind of testimony as "old news". The Legions of Faithful who drop in often parrot this. But any testimony in a trial - or any account published in a book - is always by its nature going to be "old News". New News, is what news papers are for - and we have plenty of examples of New News to consider as well. Besides - as I often ask in response to the "old news" comments - What has changed? Answer - Nothing.
As for exactly how the French documentary covers the issue - Well - I can't say, as I haven't seen it. But, I can speculate, based on some of what I know about the making of it. They were at the trial - so it makes sense they do cover the trial.
However - I also know of long and detail interviews they did, that have nothing to do with the trial. So, I would guess the trial is just one part of the larger story they tell with their documentary.
As for the troubled Parent thing - sure - the parents are a mess, and made really bad decisions in the care of their teens. But it is wrong minded to blame them only or entirely. It is far to simplistic a view of a very complicated issue.
The teens themselves bare some responsible - at least the ones who are not mentally ill - many of them are. But for the ones who are not - they are responsible for behaving in ways that result in worried, anxious, desperate parents - who then make the decision to do something desperate in the hope of doing some good.
One could argue that The teen culture that glorifies defiance and opposition to authority is responsible for the proliferation of B.M. programs.
When you have A society that punishes Parents for the actions of teens, who are out of control; and yet creates an environment that makes controlling them impossible, you will have set up a perfect society for the proliferation B.M. programs.
When you have a society that creates distrust and hostility between the generations - you will have a situation where detachment is more common than affection. Where the ties that bind are broken. Thus creating the situation where parents just want the kid out of the way. Their is a selfishness factor that seems to have permeated society, that seems to lead to much divorce, and consequently, the common problem of Step-parent syndrome. You know - the : "I want this man/woman; you my child are in the way; and I think you might be smoking pot - so off you go" kind of thing.
Its much like the I/me/mine kind of selfishness taught with such effectiveness in the Seminars.
And too - the inability of parents to find appropriate care for their mentally ill children often leads to them seeking Private care. They then find these programs - which have no problem claiming to be able to help such children - when in fact, their "treatment modality" is most certainly the most devastating thing one could do to a mentally ill person. But this is not what they tell the parents. The parents, being extremely stressed, and also probably very ignorant, have no idea anyone would commit such fraud. Which brings us to. . .
Finely - To have such a proliferation of B.M. programs, you have to have greedy, unscrupulous men and women willing to take advantage of these societal ills. Alas - there is no shortage of such persons.
Ginger writes: The hook is coming out, these dangerous lunatics are being dragged off stage, the game is almost over. Thank God, thank God!
I hope your right!
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On 2006-03-21 09:56:00, BuzzKill wrote:
One could argue that The teen culture that glorifies defiance and opposition to authority is responsible for the proliferation of B.M. programs.
And another one could argue that an established culture that demands respect but does not earn it, demands blind, unquestioning compliance to arbitrary and flat out false beliefs and morally bankrupt policies earns itself a good healthy, sustained defiance and opposition.
The toughlove hate group response to the challenge with authoritarianism and a chilling willingness to squash the kids rather than acknowledg the merrit of their grievances.
Finely - To have such a proliferation of B.M. programs, you have to have greedy, unscrupulous men and women willing to take advantage of these societal ills. Alas - there is no shortage of such persons.
These have been with us always in every culture and every chapter of history. Corruption might be defined as a system in which these types consistently rise to the top.
It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler
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///And another one could argue that an established culture that demands respect but does not earn it, demands blind, unquestioning compliance to arbitrary and flat out false beliefs and morally bankrupt policies earns itself a good healthy, sustained defiance and opposition. ///
Well, Yes - one could :wink:
I'm not suggesting absolute/blind obedience to Any authority figure or cultural norm. Certainly not advocating the destruction of individuality or one's sprit/will.
I'm also not talking about the natural pulling away and pushing boundaries that takes place in any healthy family. A certain amount of defiance and opposition to ones parents is natural and good.
I was thinking more about defiance for defiance's sake. The coolness of anarchy. That mind set causes many un-necessary and self destructive behaviors.
I'm Not suggesting even the most outrageously defiant teen "deserves" WWASP style B.M. - only that it plays a roll in why it flourishes.
///These have been with us always in every culture and every chapter of history. Corruption might be defined as a system in which these types consistently rise to the top. ///
No argument here.
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On 2006-03-21 12:02:00, BuzzKill wrote:
I'm also not talking about the natural pulling away and pushing boundaries that takes place in any healthy family. A certain amount of defiance and opposition to ones parents is natural and good.
Yeah, and the algorythm to determine the proper level has to factor in just how fucked up your parents and community are. My one bold act of defiance was to empty my bank account, pack a bag and set off into the wild beyond to start a new life all on my own. It was a radical, risky thing for a 15yo kid to attempt. Certainly, I hadn't thought it through quite well enough or I would have planned on someplace to go, instead of just hoping I'd fall in with a decent situation.
But was it out of line? I was rebelling against, defying and opposing being placed into a brainwashing program. Not that I could have articulated it at the time, I certainly couldn't. Now that I'm grown and I can articulate it well enough, I don't think I was wrong. I think my parents were dangerously unbalanced and all of the adults in our lives should have seen it clearly and had the sack to do something about it. Hell, many of those adults did talk about how sorry they felt for me, being locked down and isolated as I was, always walking on egg shells, scared of getting put in the Seed.
But they didn't act. Not for me, not for my older brothers and sister, not the neighbors. And, to a large degree, they still don't. You want to know why kids ta day are so angry, surley and defiant? Just look at the way we treat them. We're the grown ups, they're the kids. If there's a wide-spread problem between the generations, the onus has to be on the older generation to identify and correct the problem. The kids just got here. They haven't got the education or life experience yet to even be able to articulate what the problems are, never mind to come up w/ strategies to solve them.
Hammering thin lies into their heads like "Just go to school and get a diploma!" or "Respect authority!" or "Work hard and be honest and you'll prosper" isn't going to cut it. Forcing them to go along with, or even to believe these lies isn't going to make them true.
What we should be doing, instead of scapegoating kids ta day, is figiring out why a diploma is worthless, why the value of hard work and honesty have been so debased in our economy and how we, as a society, can address those problems.
I was thinking more about defiance for defiance's sake. The coolness of anarchy. That mind set causes many un-necessary and self destructive behaviors.
Or, to look at it another way, the value of exploring alternatives whenever the status quo doesn't meet muster. "NO" is just one word. Saying it, however often or loudly ain't gonna cut it. It's not enough information. If you buy into the zero tolerance, just say no mindset, you abandon your kids to their own devices to find satisfaction. Might it not be better, instead, to concede that the system we've built for them really is flawed and to help them come up with better, more honorable, more effective ways to rebel?
Just a thought.No synonym for God is so perfect as Beauty. Whether as seen carving the lines of the mountains with glaciers, or gathering matter into stars, or planning the movements of water, or gardening - still all is Beauty!
-- John Muir
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Bottom line is these warehouses are full of mostly white, middle to upper middle class kids who for the most part HAVE NOT gotten in trouble with the law, are not doing heavy drugs, or are chronic truants/runaways. They are kids whose parents are too busy to deal with even normal teenage behavior who hear about these programs typically by word of mouth or on the Internet. This doesn't mean there aren't kids on probation or suffering from minor to severe mental health issues. There are -- it's just the majority of the kids are your average garden variety teen .. experimenting with drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. all the same stuff their own parents did in an era when the worst thing that could happen to them (the parents) was to get send to juvie for their proverbial wake-up call. They may refuse to go to church (like David Van Blarigan who also called his little brother GASP .. a BUTTHEAD .. angering his fundamental christian parents and getting him a one way ticket to Tranquility Bay.
The reason these places exist is to warehouse children. How they get there varies ... and in truth, it doesn't even matter. They take all kinds of kids ... just as long as their parents hand over a blank check or are willing to barter (recruit other kids for one month free tuition)
It's an effing racket that will never go away as long as their is DEMAND. The best anyone can hope for is that these program kids grow up to be better parents, lawyers and law makers ... to reverse the trend in time to save the next generation of kids from being ... well, SAVED, by evil, greedy, emotionally regressive people dressed up like Teen Helpers.
:smokin:
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Great post.
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On 2006-03-20 16:14:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Yeah - that's the one I'm talking about.
It recently aired in Australia.
I feel confident we'll eventually be able to get it.
It must be very eye opening for WWASP to be suing to keep it out of the country.
Seems like that would raise some interest with the first Amendment folks - the media hounds and so on.
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Okay, sorry. I guess it is the same one. I only have a segment of the film where a mother talks about what her son went through, and then the abuser, Randall Hinton, admits to the camera and the interviewer that he pepper-sprayed the boy several times a day for months at a time. Hinton also hog-tied the kid for hours on end in solitary confinement, dragged him, busted his chin, chipped a tooth, made him wear a diaper made out of a trash bag, and scrubbed his genitals with a toilet brush covered in pepper-spray. Ken Kay and another staff member were also present and helping when this incident happened, according to the boy's sworn testimony.
I'd like to see some of these "program supporters" watch this and tell me it's for a "greater good." :roll:
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I hope that somebody has been able to get a copy of this video. We really need to get this out folks!
What a bunch of sickos, how do they live with themselves??? I just don't know.
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On 2006-03-21 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
They are kids whose parents are too busy to deal with even normal teenage behavior who hear about these programs typically by word of mouth or on the Internet.
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It's an effing racket that will never go away as long as their is DEMAND. The best anyone can hope for is that these program kids grow up to be better parents, lawyers and law makers ... to reverse the trend in time to save the next generation of kids from being ... well, SAVED, by evil, greedy, emotionally regressive people dressed up like Teen Helpers.
:smokin: "
I agree with this with one caveat. I don't know if very many of the parents are just too busy. I have heard of it from former program employees and it sure seems like that's the motive on the surface. But I think there's something more going on here.
First off, I have to say that wasn't my parents' motive. They were not wealthy people. They didn't have anything better to do with themselves. And the way the Seed was set up, it took a LOT of time and effort on the part of most of the parents. Not all, some just dropped their kids off one day and never were very involved themselves. But for the majority, it's something else, and something that I think has crept into our society on a grand scale and going back to the turn of the last century.
In this brave new world of ours, you can buy damned near anything. Trouble sleeping? Take a pill. Emotional upset? Here's another. Romantic problems? Call Dr. Phil or watch Oprah. They'll solve your problems for you, right kiddies?
I'd love to see some kind of serious study into the social influences of people most likely to buy into the Program. You can guess some of it. Where did they advertise before the net went commercial a decade or so ago? Well, they got all kinds of endorsements from daytime talk shows. I never have been able to stomach those. Who the hell wants to sit around watching strangers blubbering over the intimate details of their private lives for the entertainment of their live studio and tee vee viewling audience?
Not me! It makes my stomach turn. I spent two years locked into a fucked up place where I had to do that all day every day and pretend to like it. Thank GOD that's over! Why would I want to subject myself to it now when I can turn the idiot box off and listen to some good music and read a book or have some thoughtful conversation w/ you folks instead?
But just look at the ratings! These shows are popular. I'd be willing to bet good money, too, that there's significant crossover between this audience and Program parents.
We have arrived at a place in history where people will actually dump a friend or lover, alter their diets, sell their homes and move, change careers or make other important, life changing decisions just because some blow dried exhibitionist/voyer freak show celebrity on the idiot box says so. So of course they're easy game for these self appointed teenager wrangling gurus!
The Troubled Parent industry is, I think, a perfectly predictable outgrowth of that. They take it one step further, though, in declaring "disordered" any kid who doesn't see the sense of doing whatever that freak, Phil McGraw advises.
THAT has GOT to change if we're to save civilization. And I think program vets are a natural to bring that about. Because we got a particularly potent slice of it, in order to make sense of life and hang onto our own sanity, we've had to examine this fucked up shit more closely than your typical Wall-Mart shopper.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy (1917-63), U.S. Democratic politician, president. Speech, 13 March 1962, the White House.
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On 2006-03-22 08:04:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
"I hope that somebody has been able to get a copy of this video. We really need to get this out folks!
What a bunch of sickos, how do they live with themselves??? I just don't know.
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I want to see it too. But w/ great trepidation. Look who's talkin'; the French. We have over 200 years of often contentious sibling rivalry w/ France. As an example, a good old friend of mine and my dad's survived the Normandy Landing. Sure, that day there were parades in the streets and ongoing celebration like only our slutty little sister can do (sorry, I had to! LOL) But from that time forward, the French have gone back to their recalcitrant, stubborn insistance that they would have done just as well without our help. It wasn't until sometime around 2001 that my friend finally got a certificate of gratitude from France for taking part in that action.
I expect these guys will have done a thorough and very telling piece of documentary art. I also expect a good deal of editorializing and attribution. Some of that will likely be right on the mark, the French knowing us as well as they do--being as close to kin as two nations can be. But some of it will be... just mean spirited, inflamatory and destructive (the nature of sorority relationships being as it is)
It will need a rejoinder. I hope a good one comes out of our camp somehow and that it gets more viewership and thoughtful critical treatment than the trite, insipid response we usually see from the kool aid drinkers. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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http://www.tbfight.com/index.php?option ... een#msg518 (http://www.tbfight.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=39?topic=191.msg518;topicseen#msg518)
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Unfortunately you are always going to have parents who want to dump their kids. Even if you closed all the BM programs down some parents would still abandon their kids.
But the larger part of this is that the con game that is being run is extremely sophisticated. Even mental health professionals get fooled by the marketing. The internet sites and print advertising appear to have sound practices to the desperate parents who are clueless about how to do the due dilligence. They think that because somebody is credentialized that they are laying the cards on the table. What they are running is a three card monte game.
Think about how is easy it is to be conned by an attorney. Do you know if the attorney made a deal to sell your case down the river for future consideration? Do you know the inner workings of the wheels of justice? It is easy to get fooled.
You have parents out there whose mental health sophistication starts and ends with the bible. They wouldn't know if ADHD was cured by leeches, wildereness therapy, or dancing with snakes. They rely on the salemanship of the charletons, backed by the testimonials of the bewildered. It takes a great deal of knowledge to be a sophisticated consumer of mental health services. That is what is so alarming about the con game that is being played.
You have supposedly professional papers put out by the wilderness therapy association touting the benefits of minimal diet for drug abusers. Anyone with any sense could tell that you that this is lunacy. Kids who have been abusing drugs need better food with more nutrition. I defy anybody to prove that a teen-agers mind works better with low nutritional content.
And if your kid just hasn't confided in you that their gay, which a lot of parents haven't even considered, then they have put their child in a situation which is exponentially more damaging. I think that there are children who get some benefits out of TBS's but at what price to the others.
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It's a federal criminal offense to download movies like this. It's no different from illegally downloading music (violation of international copyright laws).
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ROFL, you just keep on telling yourself that. Hey, here's an idea! Why not make a complaint to the DOJ? You'll find that they really have better things to do, unless you're the copyright owner. I get the sense that the copyright owners very much want this content to get out to an American audience, despite your fond wishes to the contrary. 1 hour, 23 minutes to go.
Have you seen it yet! I hear Lon Woodburry's reviewers are calling it required viewing. Now, run off and do your homework! :rofl: I would not let my children go to SW anymore than I would let them sleep in Michael Jackson's bed. I don't care if he was aquitted, it just ain't right.
AtomicAnt
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Wow, who do we know in the S. FL/Miami area? That you, Sue?
Cops; you wake `em up you gotta dance with `em. They lead.
-- Jack McNulty
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Hey Regular!
Where you able to get a copy or to see this VIDIEO
IF you did please share .............would really like to see it.
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yeah I wonder how much money they could sue the host of the torrent for? Considering copyright violation suits generally have to claim the amount of damages done to them, and take into consideration that this documentary was aired on public television all over Australia, and remember that it is educational use only. About 100-300 people downloaded it. lol nickels and dimes...
Not to mention nobody associated with this website is hosting it.
There is a thing called illegal downloads, but as Eudora said, the copyright owners would have to start the process. Why bother, no real damages would ever be awarded. As for illegal downloads -- This is education, hence documentary... we have a right to information such as this. Don't cower under corporate lobbied federal laws. They would criminalize collection of rain water if they could make a profit off of it. Oops, they already tried that in South America.
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I am downloading it now, says a day left until its done. Ill get back to ya.
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BuzzKill, check your PMs. Urgent.
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This movie is totally worth downloading. Hands down, the best documentary out there on the topic of WWASPS. I don't know how anyone working for or a parent with a kid at one of these places could ever continue supporting WWASPS, they are all crazy or in denial or something. I wish this movie was twice or three times as long, because there is so much they didn't show. I think they showed good how it's one huge industry taking money from stupid parents and jailing their kids in horrible conditions. And they actually think they help people???? PLEASE!
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just checkign to see if my log in works properly oill repost in a sec
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aight well as for the copy right laws I am sorry to the french people because they were very nice and helped me alot with my therapy with the stuff that happened to me there in the filming of it. I wont say my name becuase There are some crazy WWASP people that would love to find out information about me. Over all the movie is a great watch hell i was in most of it and i couldnt even watch it all it was to true. I am sending copies to my friends because it feel it is the best way to describe what happened to me there. Sue thanks for your support and if some of you parents still doubt the realism of it seriously snap outta it, i know it sounds horid but realism has to hit that or just a program junkie... as for the illegal part of this all ... there is no price that can get opver the price of spreading the truth and making sure no more kids will be left teher for 5 years and get beating and hog tied in teh shift leader fali and locked in a fucking box for weeks or slammed in a dog cages most kids that were inthe r&r positions and in high impact have those scars oibn our chins .
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Does "Sue" have the video on her (PURE) website?
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Well, figure it out for yourself asshole.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9640426410 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069094189640426410)
Documentary is here, no download neccessary! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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On 2006-04-12 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"aight well as for the copy right laws I am sorry to the french people because they were very nice and helped me alot with my therapy with the stuff that happened to me there in the filming of it. I wont say my name becuase There are some crazy WWASP people that would love to find out information about me. Over all the movie is a great watch hell i was in most of it and i couldnt even watch it all it was to true. I am sending copies to my friends because it feel it is the best way to describe what happened to me there. Sue thanks for your support and if some of you parents still doubt the realism of it seriously snap outta it, i know it sounds horid but realism has to hit that or just a program junkie... as for the illegal part of this all ... there is no price that can get opver the price of spreading the truth and making sure no more kids will be left teher for 5 years and get beating and hog tied in teh shift leader fali and locked in a fucking box for weeks or slammed in a dog cages most kids that were inthe r&r positions and in high impact have those scars oibn our chins ."
Brave young man,
Don't feel bad for Mathieu & Jean. I'm sure you'll recall, as I do, that they promised a copy of this film to everyone who was instrumental in helping them produce it. That certainly includes you. Besides, these guys are not Hollywood film makers. They are historians. They made this film because they want people to see it. I am sure they would like to be paid for their work. Hopefully soon, the program lawyers will get their case in France thrown out and the production company will be free to distribute it world wide. And when this happens I feel sure people will be glad to pay for their film. Networks will be clamoring to air it ASAP. Meanwhile, I'd guess they would be pleased you have been able to view it.
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On 2006-04-12 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"aight well as for the copy right laws ..."
That you kid? Man, I wan't to tell you, I'm one of your biggest fans. :wave: They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.
--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham
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On 2006-04-12 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"aight well as for the copy right laws I am sorry to the french people because they were very nice and helped me alot with my therapy with the stuff that happened to me there in the filming of it. I wont say my name becuase There are some crazy WWASP people that would love to find out information about me. Over all the movie is a great watch hell i was in most of it and i couldnt even watch it all it was to true. I am sending copies to my friends because it feel it is the best way to describe what happened to me there. Sue thanks for your support and if some of you parents still doubt the realism of it seriously snap outta it, i know it sounds horid but realism has to hit that or just a program junkie... as for the illegal part of this all ... there is no price that can get opver the price of spreading the truth and making sure no more kids will be left teher for 5 years and get beating and hog tied in teh shift leader fali and locked in a fucking box for weeks or slammed in a dog cages most kids that were inthe r&r positions and in high impact have those scars oibn our chins ."
I'm so sorry for what you were forced to endure. Hope the future is much better to ya. You've got some big, brass one's there kid! :nworthy: :nworthy:
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Although it may be illegal, I am going to be burning these documentaries onto DVD's....if anyone wants a copy let me know. :roll: