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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 14, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
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Hello, I am Keith's step sister. I am looking for anyone who was at SCL (staff or captive) that may have info on the night Keith died (3/2/05). Any and all info would be greatly appreciated. I have looked at the old postings from last year, but they are a lot of speculation w/o fact. So.........my family disagrees with 'suicide' (many, many, many reasons) and I hope there is someone who could tell me what happened that night.
Thanks All
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i've heard lots of rumors as well, i was at scl as a staff when it happened, how can i contact you?
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You can email me at jesshage@yahoo.com. Or we can converse on this site. At this point i am not too trusting of people, so you can understand why i will not give out anymore than an email address.
thanks for wanting to help!
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why dont u tell me what u've heard and i'll add to it
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I won't play that kind of game. Either you have interesting information or you dont. My step brother died---this it not a quid-pro-quo kind of conversation. What I will tell you is the absolute bare bones of it-he got two phone calls that night before he left SCL. If you can add to that please do. Unless you were at the scene of the crime, the only info you would have is what happened on shift and/or rumors of what happened at the scene. I don't mean to be rude or abrupt, but this has been a tough year and I am just trying to understand what happened. Anyway, I don't even know who you are or if you are who you say you are. If you are, then you'll understand my hesistations.
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For all those that might be interested the Fedreal Marshals raided Sanders county court house and sheriff's department, they also raided the Plainis MT Police department.
What you going to bad boy's when they come for you? :grin:
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hmm, i searched for that all over the net, including the montana newspapers and i cant find anything about it, anyone know if there's any truth to this claim?
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On 2006-06-01 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For all those that might be interested the Fedreal Marshals raided Sanders county court house and sheriff's department, they also raided the Plainis MT Police department.
What you going to bad boy's when they come for you? :grin: "
I live here in Thompson Falls and I haven't heard anything about this. Where did you get your info? :???:
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there hasnt been much at all in the news---i dont think the officials want anything leaked out. i can say that the independent's cover last week and subsequent story was quite wacky. check it out missoualnews.com, and search for marvin burrell or keith woods. it has a short blip about a lawsuit, but thats the first time i've ever seen it in the news. why would the media keep such a tight lid on this?
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The information on the raid on the at the county court house and Planins Police department came from the Federal Marshels.
They raided the court house on the morning of june 20, with investigative warrants, these types of warrants are secret till served.
They shut down the computers at the county and removed the information on them for there investigation. Box's of paper work were removed from the court house along with the information on the county computer system.
The state computers were also shut down and information was removed from them as while. Any one notice you could not get your drivers lic. renewed on monday the 22 of june, the states computer system was shout down. Also the banks computers in Thompson falls was also shut down as well, anyone banking there more then likely did not get there bank statements untill later.
Zimmerman was escorted from open court on the 30th. by Fedreal Marshels.
The Feds are convinning a grand jury now.
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Um......its only june 2nd today.......how could anything have happened on the 20th or 22nd??!?
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That was the 20Th. of May. sorry about that.
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Do you know what the Fedreal Marshels are looking for? Now that the warrents have been served, are they part of the public record? Are you saying this is related to the Keith Wood case by posting it here?
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The warrants served are secret.
There are 5 or 6 major law suits against sanders county at this time, I believe that the information used to get the search warrants were obtained from those law suits.
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This is completely a rumor boys, just spoke to a friend in t-falls, who is a reserve deputy, he called the station, and it absolutely did not happen, dont feed the trolls!
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I think this whole thread is a hoax. This towen is too small for swomething like that to not leak out.
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[ This Message was edited by: emaree on 2006-07-05 20:32 ]
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Good thing its just your opinion. This is Keiths step sister who started the thread. If you didnt witness Keith hitting a girlfriend, or treating women like shit then keep the opinion to yourself because its pure hearsay and we do not need more rumors started. Regardless of what 'direct source' you got your info from, doesn't mean that his family deserves the kind of treatment we have gotten from officials and others in that area. I dont think he killed himself. My reasons are none of your business by the way. But I base it on knowing him, and knowing the shitty job the cops did on the scene. I will not accept suicide when there is no evidence other than people's word. And it is easy to keep a 'secret'---especially if its means a lot of people will get in trouble if its found out. This isnt the first case like this in our country. And sadly, it wont be the last. All my family has ever asked for is the TRUTH. We have been stone walled over and over.
This thread isn't a hoax, and if you were in our shoes, you'd take offense too. The entire point of me posting in the first place was to find out if anyone knew what happened the night Keith died, before he left work. It wasnt started for everyone to debate whether we have the right, the need or the ability to ask WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED. WE HAVE THAT RIGHT WHETHER YOU LIKED KEITH OR NOT, OR WHETHER YOUR 'DIRECT SOURCE' LIKED HIM OR NOT.
Even people that others don't like have family that deserves answers.
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Your mother deserves answers.
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Our family deserves an answer. Especially our mother.
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Word! :tup:
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If you want a statement considered as fact, present it as a fact from you not from a 'direct source'. If Keith was disrespectful to you or any other female, I am sorry for that. But it has no bearing on the situation at hand, on how he died. I want all pertinate information to Keiths death and the events immediately preceeding his death, not peoples emotions about what kind of person Keith was.
As for only wanting to hear how great of a person he was, I wouldnt be going to a site that deeply hates the place he worked. I have heard plenty of negative comments about him, and if they are presented respectfully i dont have a problem. Please, take a few minutes and put yourself in my position. Seriously consider it-and then go back and read this thread. See where it has started and where it has now ended up.
My comments were for all who visit this thread--its not about if you like him or think he was capable of commiting suicide. If you know anything about what happened that night, please speak up. If all you have is emotions, its not the thread to post it on. Start your own.
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Thank you for that. I really do appreciate it! If you dont mind me asking, how long did you know Keith? Was it solely through the SCL program?
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So what is your theory about his death? Why do you doubt what the investigators said?
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He fell into a meat-grinder; I already told you all this.
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to keith's step-sister, I was a good friend of keith's, I would rather not say on here how I knew him, but I will say that i knew him for over a five year period, i watched him go threw tough times, his first marriage, his discharge from the marines, and other personal struggles in his life that i will not make public here. My problem with the recent article about keith and his families "vow" to prove the truth is the 105 million dollar lawsuit attached to this "truth seeking" mission, having known keith I know that his was not especially close with many members of his family, I want you to know that I think it is disgusting that his family now seeks to profit because of this tragedy. Where was his family before his death?
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If officials refuse to do a proper investigation, the only recourse any family has is to file a civil suit. The dollar amount is most often used to attract the attention of the judge and obtain a result. A lot of people take the same view to law suits, so yours isnt the first time I've heard it. If we get the investigation we want then the civil suit isnt important. It sucks that we had to resort to looking like money hungry jerks, but that's the only recourse available; or we could just lie down and accept it. And you must admit, the amount attracted the most attention, not the way he died. And also note, I am is step sister and the 'step' family is not named on it at all. Only is blood relatives are involved.
Our family has had its share of problems for sure, probably more than Keith even realized. There are a lot of details that are probably unknown to you; and this definately isnt the place to discuss it. He was close to his sibilings and his mom. He and I we not at all. I can honestly say that you probably knew him better than I did. And with that, I am sorry for your loss.
If you would like more info, or have questions, feel free to email me; jesshage@yahoo.com.
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The US Justice Department has opened Keith Wood?s alleged suicide, they are investigating his death as a murder. All defendants in the law suit have been arrested by Federal Marshals.
Some of the evidences is that Keith was shoot three times in the head with two different bullets.
For those who do not understand lawsuits they are for the purpose of punishing those who have done wrong , weather it be a person or corporate body.
They are also a way of providing information to the community thru the civil process of the lawsuit its self, forcing officials to answer questions under oath or take the fifth amendment.
Right now both these lawsuits are in default for a total of 135 million dollars, that means they would have to pay the plaintiff for what ever there insurance company has them insured for. Most officials are insured for about 1.5 million each, the mother of Keith Wood is not going to get 135 million dollars but she is going to get the Truth.
For those who can?t understand this and seem to think this is about money are nuts, this is the best method for those who are not in the official capacity to bring forth there evidences and force public servants (serpents) to adhere to the laws they are to enforce.
This is apart of are do-process of law, this same do-process of law Keith?s mother did not get from the investigative officials of sanders county , they violated the Montana constitution and the Constitution of the United States. If in fact this lawsuit was not proper it would have been throw out of court a long time ago.
This county is corrupt and has been for a long time but the majority of the people who live here do not have the guts to stand up and do anything about it, but this woman has.
Those people in this county who seem to favorer there officials don?t seem to see what?s really going on or maybe they are apart of it or just plan ignorant, either way it has gone on too long , there little empire is starting to crumble you would think the citizen would shut for joy but, no all they can do is complain.
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Some of the evidences is that Keith was shoot three times in the head with two different bullets.
This is an interesting trick. How did they pull this off?
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On 2006-06-17 23:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The US Justice Department has opened Keith Wood?s alleged suicide, they are investigating his death as a murder. All defendants in the law suit have been arrested by Federal Marshals.
Some of the evidences is that Keith was shoot three times in the head with two different bullets.
For those who do not understand lawsuits they are for the purpose of punishing those who have done wrong , weather it be a person or corporate body.
They are also a way of providing information to the community thru the civil process of the lawsuit its self, forcing officials to answer questions under oath or take the fifth amendment.
Right now both these lawsuits are in default for a total of 135 million dollars, that means they would have to pay the plaintiff for what ever there insurance company has them insured for. Most officials are insured for about 1.5 million each, the mother of Keith Wood is not going to get 135 million dollars but she is going to get the Truth.
For those who can?t understand this and seem to think this is about money are nuts, this is the best method for those who are not in the official capacity to bring forth there evidences and force public servants (serpents) to adhere to the laws they are to enforce.
This is apart of are do-process of law, this same do-process of law Keith?s mother did not get from the investigative officials of sanders county , they violated the Montana constitution and the Constitution of the United States. If in fact this lawsuit was not proper it would have been throw out of court a long time ago.
This county is corrupt and has been for a long time but the majority of the people who live here do not have the guts to stand up and do anything about it, but this woman has.
Those people in this county who seem to favorer there officials don?t seem to see what?s really going on or maybe they are apart of it or just plan ignorant, either way it has gone on too long , there little empire is starting to crumble you would think the citizen would shut for joy but, no all they can do is complain.
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If this is true, how come none of us here in Thompson Falls have heard anything about the arrests? When did it happen? I don't know how they could keep something like this a secret in a town this size where everyone knows everything that's going on.
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*The Step-Sister* (Maybe I need to get a user name!)
I dont know how they could keep all of this a secret from the towns folk. But, it has been. I have been surprised for a while now how they could keep the civil suits a secret---but they have been filed since January. Most townies didn't know about the civil suit until it came out in the Missoula Independent. I think its strange that the Missoulian hasnt done a story--they had NO problem trashing Keith when he died; making him out to be a crazed,jealous wack-job. One thing to keep in mind is that this is now a federal case---not small town police---and the fed's have a lot more experience keeping information from the public. Besides, who would want the town to know that the people they elected and trust are most likely involved in something as sinister as this? Talk about ruining creditiability for all of the Sanders County officials.
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On 2006-06-19 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"*The Step-Sister* (Maybe I need to get a user name!)
I dont know how they could keep all of this a secret from the towns folk. But, it has been. I have been surprised for a while now how they could keep the civil suits a secret---but they have been filed since January. Most townies didn't know about the civil suit until it came out in the Missoula Independent. I think its strange that the Missoulian hasnt done a story--they had NO problem trashing Keith when he died; making him out to be a crazed,jealous wack-job. One thing to keep in mind is that this is now a federal case---not small town police---and the fed's have a lot more experience keeping information from the public. Besides, who would want the town to know that the people they elected and trust are most likely involved in something as sinister as this? Talk about ruining creditiability for all of the Sanders County officials. "
I'm confused. Is this a civil case or criminal? For a civil case involving a lawsuit, the feds wouldn't be arresting people or raiding places. The plaintiffs pay a lawyer to subpeona documents and testimony.
Only criminal proceedings prompt arrests. And once an arrest is made in a criminal proceeding, it's public, like it or not. There isn't any procedure for keeping that under wraps, unless you're dealing with juveniles.
I agree that if something was covered up or reported inaccurately, it's wrong and must be taken care of--for justice and for the peace of the family. But (and I mean this respectfully) I don't see much really that indicates sinister plots or evil conspiracies.
So is this a criminal or civil thing?
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*Step Sister*
It started as a civil case. Lawsuits were filed because we were not receiving any information on what was considered a 'closed case'. Once we had some key evidence evaluated, a criminal case was opened up by the Feds. Once that happens, as with any similiar situation, civil cases are put on hold. As far as I can understand it, that is what is happening now.
As for sinister and evil plots, I wish I could get into details. There is so much that was not made pubic knowledge, so much that it would make the hair stand up on your neck. But I really do not want to be putting any information out there that shouldnt be. And being that it is an on-going investigation, the fed's do not have to release any information at all, though it may be a matter of public record.
I can see how it was confusing, generally there is a criminal case and then a civil suit. But we had to reverse the order to get some type of answer. And now, we have gotten a whole lot more than we bargained for!
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Can you respond to a few yes or no questions?
Are you saying Keith was murdered?
The local officals covered this fact up?
Is SCL, in any way, involved?
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On 2006-06-18 00:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Some of the evidences is that Keith was shoot three times in the head with two different bullets.
This is an interesting trick. How did they pull this off?"
I think the poster meant to say that Mr. Woods had been shot three times with two different types of bullet, indicating two guns and therefore likely to be two shooters. The implication here given the percieved accuracy of the shots and the excessive and conclusive force used would mean that potentially Mr Wood's murder was a pre-meditated ambush.
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Something new has just taken place on the Idaho side , where Keith Woods mother and stepfather are staying .
The paralegal that miss Hageman had haired was arrested along with is wife and placed in the Bonner county jail. The paralegal?s RV was searched with out a warrant and then towed off by ISP.
The paralegal?s wife was assaulted after being placed in jail and there is now counter charges flying back and forth.
I have been in contact with Mr. Hageman and will get what I can and post it here later today if at all possible. Mr. Hageman is a former police officer and was threatened with arrest after arriving at the RV park.
He told me he demanded to see a warrant and was told there was not one and that they didn?t need one, so Mr. Hageman started taking pictures of the officers going in and out of the paralegals RV, the head ISP officer didn?t seem to like what he was doing and that?s when things got interesting.
The head of ISP is now investigating the hole thing, but what is also interesting is that an FBI agent showed up at Bonner County jail to interview the paralegal and his wife, what?s also interesting the FBI agent was not from Idaho or Montana.
See you all later
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That posting is confusing to someone not in "the know."
Are the Hageman's Keith Wood's "parents?"
Why would the paralegal and his wife be staying at an RV park? And why were they hired in the first place?
The FBI are Federal agents, so they wouldn't necessarily be from a particular state, right?
Who assaulted the paralegal's wife: officers, or fellow cellmates?
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If you got 2 different bullets, you got a case that cries out for a thorough investigation.
Simple as that.
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I dont understand why the fed's would arrest these people. But, I also dont understand why this 'friend' would post the info here of all places.
Good point about the FBI--they dont need to be from MT or ID to be ligit, they're federal officiers.
Who's ISP?
From the previous entries, i think the Mrs. Hageman is Keiths mom and Mr. Hageman is his step dad.
If the civil suits were filed pro se, then i can see why they would hire a paralegal instead of an attorney--a lot cheaper!!!!!
confused confused..............
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This is for any reporters who might want to talk with Miss Hagemans paralegel, this is a track phone No. 1-208-597-0188.
If you have any problems with this Nu. leave your post here.
By the way the Idaho state Police have returned the parglegel's RV. and the search that was done with out a warrant was improper.
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Any updates on this case?????
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None of this information is verifiable by an independant third party and substantial portions of the story do not hang well together.
I suggest it would be safest to sit back and wait for an official resolution.
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Bonnie Ulrick was a complete whore, playing with all kinds of men and fucking with their heads. She got busted once when both Keith and Tim worked the same shift. They confronted her in the Hungry Horse and there was bad blood between them. I believe Keith's death was not a suicide and I'm hoping that with the proper investigations by authorities other then Sanders County and the Plains Police Department is conducted, the truth will come out.
Bonnie is in prison in Billings, Montana where she belongs and needs further charges brought against her....life in prison perhaps??
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If you check the montana state corrections on Bonnie you will find she is already in prerelease, when you pull up the info on her, you will notice there is no picture of her and there is no ncic # , all prisnors have ncic # , also it says there are no convictions, so what was the trial all about.
If she got to 5 year terms to serve back to back she would not be in prereleas now.
Thats what I found when I checked Montana state corrections.
To me there is something fishy about Bonnie's trial. Looks to me that Sanders county pulled one over on the people.
Nothing new about that.
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DOC ID# 2102483
NAME: BONNIE CRYSTAL ULRICK
CURRENT STATUS: INMATE
STATUS LAST UPDATED: 03-JUL-06
GENDER: FEMALE
PRISON:
Montana Women's Prison
701 South 27th Street
Billings, Montana 59101
For More Information: (406)247-5100
PHYSICAL AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHARACTERISTICS AKAs
DOB: 08-FEB-77 HEIGHT: 5 FT 4 IN
BIRTHPLACE: SANDPOINT, IDAHO WEIGHT: 140 LBS
ETHNICITY: WHITE L/R HANDED: R
MARITAL STATUS: DIVORCED HAIR COLOR: BLOND/STRAWBERRY
DEPENDENTS: 2 BUILD: SLENDER
CITIZENSHIP: UNITED STATES SKIN TONE: LIGHT
MT RESIDENT: Y EYE COLOR: BLUE
* * * NONE * * *
SCARS, MARKS, TATTOOS AND OTHER PHYSICAL CONDITIONS
NCIC Code TYPE DESCRIPTION
* * * NONE * * *
LEGAL RECORD
* * * Not yet entered * * *
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There's the current DOC site for Bonnie Ulrick....perhaps you needed to check before you post facts that aren't facts. Her conviction is not yet posted as it takes awhile for that data to be processed but yes, she's in the Billings prison and yes, there's a picture of her. As for the NCIC number, it's not the same as an inmate's AO number...Adult Offender.
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Bonnie Ulrick was a complete whore, playing with all kinds of men and fucking with their heads. She got busted once when both Keith and Tim worked the same shift. They confronted her in the Hungry Horse and there was bad blood between them. I believe Keith's death was not a suicide and I'm hoping that with the proper investigations by authorities other then Sanders County and the Plains Police Department is conducted, the truth will come out.
Bonnie is in prison in Billings, Montana where she belongs and needs further charges brought against her....life in prison perhaps??
God loves whores 2 !
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The two post about Bonnie Ulrick in the Montana corrections are both right, I check. that about June of this year Montana corrections had Bonnie?s information on there web sit that she was in prerelease, and there was no ncic # no picture and no convictions.
I checked again a few days ago and found the information has been changed to what it reads now.
On another note the news paper said that sanders county was cleared of wrong doing in the suit that Bob Felds brought against sanders county(tow truck suit). I have seen the order from the judge on that case, now it would be nice if the independent would print the order from Judge Molly so the people of sanders county can see what was really said in that order to dismiss.
A reported should contact Bob and interview him on what he found out about after he arrived at the US district court in Missoula, Bob found that there was about 20 missing pages from his file, Judge Molly was ruling on what was in the file, a motion has been entered to reconsider, and the paper works has been prepared for appeal to the ninth circuit court if necessary.
Bob?s paper work was either removed from its file or it never got in the file after arriving there or intercepted somewhere in the postal service.
There should be an investigation by federal authorities, tapering with some ones lawsuit is a felony
The mother of Keith Wood is now checking to see if all her paper work got there.