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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 03, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
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As we have all seen this forum has become a rather unusual place to say the least ,for some of the most absurd and vicious atacking and hyperbole adnauseum.
As that conservative republican hunting freak Ted Nugent has said it has turned into a "Free for All".
I have not been one to censor....though some of the really gross stuff like "tub girl" (which was a first for me )and the scat crap(no pun intended )and absurd postings I have had to delete .
I really had hoped that most of you would be able to police yerselves but that is obviously not the case. And the garbage has turned people away.(maybe that is their objective I don't know)
I have not been able to ride this site like it seems to have been required . I have 3 children ,a great job and a life.
I deal with elan on a daily basis, by my belief that elan and its henchmen (assistant directors and directors) should spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. That is how I deal with that little walnut sized ball of nuclear rage that resides in me from my experiences from elan and having to watch the lunacy that elan pulled on other good people. Pain is turned into anger.
And granted I don't let the lunacy that is elan control me ...its just how I deal with it and God willing those henchmen will go to prison and of course elan hopefully be shutdown .
I have posted alot of stories (actually not as many as I have witnessed ) of things that happened to me and what I saw happen to other people .Their are also a lot of other former residents of that hell hole that have also posted some of their experiences.
T^here are some serious testimonies located in these threads .Truth ,and it sets us free.
I have posted many times asking that the lunacy back off .The stuff that has no bearing on peoples experiences just stop. It hasn't. I also feel that most of the lunacy is indictive to the way we were treated by elan and its henchmen and the program. An end to a means.
One thing that I have said and I digress is that I have forgiven in my heart all the residents that worked me over at the behest of elan and elan's henchmen .Hey I know you had to do what you had to, to survive in that hell hole , It was eat or be eaten. I don't hold anything against any resident but I do hold elan and its henchmen accountable.
Now it has come to my attention that many peole are just fed up with the childsplay .I have been asked to ban people ,delete post and now I am being asked for peoples Ip addys. I am not responsible for what another adult posts plain and simple. I am responsible for what I post .And my posts are true and thats that.
Now what is going to happen is that another Forum is going to be created. I and a few other people on this board that I would like to have assist me are going to go back to the very begining and pull out the posts that are relative to elan and it's particular brand of (lunacy) (program ) There are peoples experiences (stories) that are worth reading and why should people who want to read them have to slog thru the stupid childish postings.
No one
This Forum will be readable only.And People will still be able post here .If they want their experiences put on the read only Forum I will see that this happens. But not the stuff that just wastes our time and is simple trash .It is not work. It is trash .
The reason why people have not been banned is because that is impossible to do. They could change proxy servers and pop up under another name and continue with their whatever .
This is not going to happen over night. But it will happen. Those interested in helping me please private message me and we will discuss how this is going to happen .
It would have really been nice if I did not have to do this and those people who know who they are had dug themselves .
You know there was a fellow named Allen Frey , He was in elan 6 with me .He was Glenn Frey's half brother (the fellow from the Eagles).Allen was a really nice person,I mean really decent .Allen got out after I left that place. Allen committed suicide 3 months or so after leaving elan. There are many people that in my opinion are dead for having come in contact with that hell hole and its henchmen.
The therapy that has been so aptly described in all the previous pages in this forum, is not a wonder that I have this opinion about elan .
I also put forth that if elan was so great a place then Allen Frey would certianly be with us today along with all the other really neat people that were caught up in a most unfortunate situation.
Peace to you all
Matt
Yeah i got bumped off this is my post Matt
[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-03 18:17 ][ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-03 18:56 ][ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-04 14:03 ]
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:nworthy: :tup:
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Right On
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On 2006-03-03 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As we have all seen this forum has become a rather unusual place to say the least ,for some of the most absurd and vicious atacking and hyperbole adnauseum.
As that conservative republican hunting freak Ted Nugent has said it has turned into a "Free for All".
I have not been one to censor....though some of the really gross stuff like "tub girl" (which was a first for me )and the scat crap(no pun intended )and absurd postings I have had to delete .
I really had hoped that most of you would be able to police yerselves but that is obviously not the case. And the garbage has turned people away.(maybe that is their objective I don't know)
I have not been able to ride this site like it seems to have been required . I have 3 children ,a great job and a life.
I deal with elan on a daily basis, by my belief that elan and its henchmen (assistant directors and directors) should spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. That is how I deal with that little walnut sized ball of nuclear rage that resides in me from my experiences from elan and having to watch the lunacy that elan pulled on other good people. Pain is turned into anger.
And granted I don't let the lunacy that is elan control me ...its just how I deal with it and God willing those henchmen will go to prison and of course elan hopefully be shutdown .
I have posted alot of stories (actually not as many as I have witnessed ) of things that happened to me and what I saw happen to other people .Their are also a lot of other former residents of that hell hole that have also posted some of their experiences.
T^here are some serious testimonies located in these threads .Truth ,and it sets us free.
I have posted many times asking that the lunacy back off .The stuff that has no bearing on peoples experiences just stop. It hasn't. I also feel that most of the lunacy is indictive to the way we were treated by elan and its henchmen and the program. An end to a means.
One thing that I have said and I digress is that I have forgiven in my heart all the residents that worked me over at the behest of elan and elan's henchmen .Hey I know you had to do what you had to, to survive in that hell hole , It was eat or be eaten. I don't hold anything against any resident but I do hold elan and its henchmen accountable.
Now it has come to my attention that many peole are just fed up with the childsplay .I have been asked to ban people ,delete post and now I am being asked for peoples Ip addys. I am not responsible for what another adult posts plain and simple. I am responsible for what I post .And my posts are true and thats that.
Now what is going to happen is that another Forum is going to be created. I and a few other people on this board that I would like to have assist me are going to go back to the very begining and pull out the posts that are relative to elan and it's particular brand of (lunacy) (program ) There are peoples experiences (stories) that are worth reading and why should people who want to read them have to slog thru the stupid childish postings.
No one
This Forum will be readable only.And People will still be able post here .If they want their experiences put on the read only Forum I will see that this happens. But not the stuff that just wastes our time and is simple trash .It is not work. It is trash .
The reason why people have not been banned is because that is impossible to do. They could change proxy servers and pop up under another name and continue with their whatever .
This is not going to happen over night. But it will happen. Those interested in helping me please private message me and we will discuss how this is going to happen .
It would have really been nice if I did not have to do this and those people who know who they are had dug themselves .
You know there was a fellow named Allen Frey , He was in elan 6 with me .He was Glenn Frey's half brother (the fellow from the Eagles).Allen was a really nice person,I mean really decent .Allen got out after I left that place. Allen committed suicide 3 months or so after leaving elan. There are many people that in my opinion are dead for having come in contact with that hell hole and its henchmen.
The therapy that has been so aptly described in all the previous pages in this forum, is not a wonder that I have this opinion about elan .
I also put forth that if elan was so great a place then Allen Frey would certianly be with us today along with all the other really neat people that were caught up in a most unfortunate situation.
Peace to you all
Matt
Yeah i got bumped off this is my post Matt
[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-03 18:17 ][ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-03 18:56 ]"
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Matt, Did you mean ad nauseam?
And who in the heck was "tub girl"
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Now it has come to my attention that many peole are just fed up with the childsplay .I have been asked to ban people ,delete post and now I am being asked for peoples Ip addys.
So Art, what are you planning to do with the requested ip addys? I hardly think you will get no where with them.
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So Art, what are you planning to do with the requested ip addys? I hardly think you will get no where with them."
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So Art, what are you planning to do with the requested ip addys? I hardly think you will get no where with them
Speaking of correct use of the english language
Why dont you shut up and go away.Sick Fuk
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art's gonna give you the sex thta you continue to post about... though i think the enjoyment will be his asswipe.
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On 2006-03-04 10:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"art's gonna give you the sex thta you continue to post about... though i think the enjoyment will be his asswipe."
Is English your second language?
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I have deleted some posts here .
If you have questions for a person (that are of a personal nature) on this board you are more than welcome to private message them or post that you would like to get in touch with them. I think that would be better and would be respectful for all parties involved .
As for the question yes I meant ad nasuem , heck I have probably mispelled it here .(I don't spell very well as I am sure everyone has noticed) this happens a lot on this board , But I generally know and can understand what people are saying or trying to say. This by no means a swipe at the person asking.
now to the other question ."tub Girl " from what I understand from reliable sources is a world famous picture of ,in my opinion of the highest grostesque nature one really could possibly imagine. I am not a prude but my God to me it was a little way out there and quite startling and I think might be fortunate that you did not see it. It was rude.
Matt
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I remember Allen well he was really a nice guy, I also remember the day his brother came to visit, me and Diane V. (HEY DI IF YOUR READING THIS) were in the kitchen at E-6, Ya know it was kinda strange now that I look back. The house was silent that day. I for the life of me cant remeber why or why it was Diane and me but long story short he came in with Peter we said hello took his jacket and, carried on like teen age girls... didnt see him again...I wish my memories were better but shit theres so much I have forgotten or choose to forget???? Anyways thats my Glen Frey story....
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I knew Allan and Diane V. is my friend then i must know you .
I will private message you .
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Matt, tubgirl = that picture of the asian woman in a bathtub that is hosted at rotten.com?
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wow... who woulda thought YOU would know
Okay a post like this is meant bait and try to start something ....This is not going to be tolerated on this thread . It takes 2 to tangle 1 to provoke and wait for the reaction. I am not going to have provoking on this thread. Take it up thru private messaging....Matt
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How is it,and why is it that you arent performing your usual brand of..... Okay once again you want to provoke and as said before on this thread (this particular thread I will not tolerate it .... To answer your question (retorhical as it may be ) Is that I do not call people names of the vulgar nature I do not direspect people and there fore I must command respect.
Also know that people can change and need to be forgiven,(this applies to human beings and not elan nor it's henchmen) If you have an issue once again I ask you to take it up with the person thru private messages. Work it out but not on this thread(or board for that matter)......Matt[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-05 12:08 ]
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On 2006-03-05 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How is it,and why is it that you arent performing your usual brand of
Good question.
jumping on the bandwagon ,well the wagon isn't going to move cause you are flogging a dead horse.
If you have questions take it up with the person that you want to get into it with thru the private messages
Thank you
Matt
[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-05 12:14 ]
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careful,your about to be accused of being me !
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Okay enough baiting ...jumping on the bandwagon ,beating a dead horse ect....
reporter you have aquired a coat that is going to be hard to shed ,though I am a firm believer that people can change.
From what I have seen recently it appears that you have turned over a new leaf .I am all for it.
I also appreaciate the fact that you did not respond to the prievious posts when I know for a fact that you were aware of them .
I do think that if people have issues with people then they should take it up thru the private message and talk to each other .
I am not your Daddy ,it is not my job to watch over you and we are all adults here.I am not responsible for what adults say though I will demand that you all respect this thread and not bicker and provoke here . Lets get back to the business at hand and that is our experiences at elan and our stories about what we witnessed in elan (the stuff that happened to other people )
Ok And try to keep the bickering and lunacy out of the other threads from this day on
Thank you
Matt
I was bumped of but I'll be sighnibg back on right away therefore there will be no confusion as to whose post this is !
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The previous post is mine ...just asking does anyone else get bumped off as often ?
Another thing to remember if you sow ice you will harvest fire .
Please play nice
Matt[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-03-05 12:33 ]
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Such a shame that the adults cannot carry on a civil conversation without some (child) or in this case a child in his 40's ruining it for all. It's also a shame that Matt has to write 4 plus threads addressing this issue and yet it still continues. Could you please allow the adults to have a conversation artman? Without the immature and pointless comments?
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We are all hip to these games boy
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Art file your complaint ...get your family member to do the legal work for you once Ginger has the proper paperwork then she will research the names ans info.
I will not release the info because comments of comments like putting someone in a hospital and I will most certianly not set some up for a beating ,and then be held responsible .
You all are both adults .Art I have seen you cream people like Elizabeth ..you have called me names in the past on the Shut the door site .
Reporter I have seen you work over Art ..I want it to stop and stop using this board to poke at each other .
This is an adult site you all are adults I will say it agian I am not your Daddy it is not my job to baby sit (though it has become that )and I am not responsible for what other adults post .I am resopsible for my own posts . I delete posts as a courtesty and ask that you all dig yourselves
I am growing weary of this because it just wastes my time .When I get no cooperation from the both of you .
Art, Reporter for the last time Both of you respect this thread . Art deal with this thru the legal system as how I and Ginger have both explained to you and quit the poking.Same with you Reporter
Now I have to go make dinner
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On 2006-03-05 14:28:00, artman11111 wrote:
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I thought you had my ip address there Mr. Private investigator? Your immaturity is really peaking as of late, but thats okay, because your childish thoughts and comments will be deleted as fast as you can post them. BTW, thanks for the threat of violence, you now have real dirt on you to put that Brother in law attorney of yours to good use. The way I see it, he's gonna be defending you once you are finally questioned by police for making a threat. You mess with a bull my friend, well you should be able to connect the dots, I HOPE?
Do not send me messages ever.. I want zero to do with you. I have told you this before... This is harrassment and will just be added to the documents I already have which is well over 2300.
3rd time public forum i have asked you not to sen dme messages... "
You mean to tell me you posses 2300 documents on me? Yet you dont even know my ip address? What kind of an investigator are you? Also kind of funny that you would posses 2300 documents on me yet I am under 600 posts I believe, looks like someone is not that good at math also. So you got me disagreeing with you, big deal arthur, I got something better, and documented. BTW, you do not have any rights to your screen name here, not like an email address has. Harrassment can not apply to your stupid screen name as would an email address would. Glad to know that I can influence your wallet, didnt you mention not long ago how you coughed up (but in your case burped up ) some cash to find out my identity? LOL, you're too easy and predictable, hope you get some utility late bill because you lack the funds to pay for it. :lol: :lol: Anyway arthur, keep being a jerk and ruining this site for everyone, for your true colors are now showing.....
Just like to also remind you arthur that not obeying (Section 1001, Title 18, U.S. Code.)
will get you in lots of hot water.
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I'm back!!!!!!!!!!![ This Message was edited by: The Elan Reporter on 2006-03-05 15:24 ]
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Wait, just to clarify...
No, I'm not doing any damned research into anybody's real life identities or particulars. I'm not licensed or qualified to do that and have no interest anyway. If I am compelled by law, I will turn over the logging info for a particular post.
But here's the thing, I ain't got a dog in this fight. It's worthwhile, I think, for people to be able to get a sample of Elan culture by way of these forums. Even better when some of yenz can hook up in some sort of decent way (which rarely happens around here)
I also think it's worth discussing possible explanations as to why each of you guys does what you do. I heard tell Art posted someone's private message. I have one that I think well explains his 'reasoning'. While, legally, I'm under no obligation to keep my private letters private (no one is, unless it's marked confidential and even then it's a gray area) But I generally don't publish PM's because I want people to be able to trust me.
How some ever, this one is just golden. So, if someone would kindly show me where Art posted a private message, I'll look it over and consider whether or not it would be helpful to post the one I've got.
There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry
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On 2006-03-05 14:28:00, artman11111 wrote:
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I thought you had my ip address there Mr. Private investigator? Your immaturity is really peaking as of late, but thats okay, because your childish thoughts and comments will be deleted as fast as you can post them. BTW, thanks for the threat of violence, you now have real dirt on you to put that Brother in law attorney of yours to good use. The way I see it, he's gonna be defending you once you are finally questioned by police for making a threat. You mess with a bull my friend, well you should be able to connect the dots, I HOPE?
Do not send me messages ever.. I want zero to do with you. I have told you this before... This is harrassment and will just be added to the documents I already have which is well over 2300.
3rd time public forum i have asked you not to sen dme messages... "
Wait a sec, this one?...because flapping your arms like a spastic parrot comes in handy in real life, doesn't it?
Helena Handbasket
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Ginger, its really no bother. I dont cry over spilled milk like someone here I know. I was making a point to Matt about what he said about keeping personal feelings and questions private and off the board, and you know who had to go and post it.
The way I see it, is he just wants to have a pissing contest with me, therefor won't let anything rest. We all know everything he says is ersatz about how he has this attorney in the family and all these documents on me, 2300 worth of them to be precise.
I could really care less....
Matt is stepping into the pool all the way and wants to clean it up finally, which is good, perhaps we can get this thing moving in the direction it was meant to go?
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Matt is stepping into the pool all the way and wants to clean it up finally, which is good, perhaps we can get this thing moving in the direction it was meant to go
STFU its your mess he is cleaning
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wow this IS entertaining
You are extra funny today reporter
You couldnt be any more full of sh*t
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Ok, well let me just run this by you then and see what you think.
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ya know your right.Its not the 1st time i have had to say that.I think its best for me to leave.This used to be a place where i could come and meet old friends,be silly,and be part of something . Its none of those things anymore and has not been in a long time.I am too old for these games. i thought you or Matt would see things differently. But I dont always say the right things either.this is NOTHING like AA. there I am loved and cared for.Yes there are some creeps.But they are not allowed to capitalize a meeting like the 10 or so threads dedicated to accusations of being a pedofile. I leave very disapointed that noone has done anything to stop this for going on 2 years. I may still send you a letter from my attorney,but I am not sure i want to be part of or remember any of this.
peace and god bless
art
I hope I win this gambit, but I don't hold out much hope. I'm only doing this for one reason. Because I think it pretty much explains everything. I think his avatar for WTF2 is a nice clue as well. See, Art seems to have set out to turn this open forum into just another rendition of the Program. He doesn't want you guys talking about things that may embarass him or shame him or threaten his frail relationship with the more commonly accepted reality.
It ain't gonna happen, Art! If you prefer the company of brainwashed stepcraft practitioners who will reliably support your shared illusions, then I think you should go hang out with them. It's a free country, ya know!
I also don't hold out much hope that you'll actually quit this time just because you say so. But I want you guys, those who want to have a cogent discussion about Elan and, especially, those of you who (like me) are interested in the complex relationships between Elan and other programs and broader society, to just fucking ignore the irrelavnt shit.
I don't always get what I want, though, and often enough that turns out for the best because I didn't understand the whole story to begin with.
And, btw, I haven't heard from Dee in a very long time and often wonder how she's doing. I hope she's well and happy.All penalties for drug users should be dropped...Making drug abuse a crime is useless and even dangerous...Every year we seize more and more drugs but the quantity available still increases...Police are losing the drug battle worldwide.
--Raymond Kendall ~ Secretary General of Interpol 1994
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What is your objective of coming here arthur? You obviously have nothing to contribute except vulgar, immature, little nasty comments. You continue to disrespect Matt even after he has been more then nice to politely ask you to stop.
You have nothing to offer us, everything you post is garbage. You are the only one here that seems to make other people not want to post here.
If your goal here is to keep people from expressing their thoughts and experiences of Elan and run them off, you are surely accoplishing that.
People dont like to post here because of you. You make this board's environment not friendly. You have been constantly disrespecting Matt, who so is trying to make this board into something better.
Your little games are very stale these days. Attacking me anonmously, then agreeing with yourself again, over and over. Are you a mental case or what? You are also making yourslef look like even a bigger donkeys ass then ever before.
Such an immature, disturbed little man you are. And you wonder why so many people dislike you? The filth, and immaturity that comes from your mouth daily.
Why dont you go buy some dollies to play with? This way you can talk trash to them and dont have to worry about them talking back to you. You obviously lack the maturity to engage in a civil conversation with us.
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On 2006-03-06 11:07:00, The Elan Reporter wrote:
You are the only one here that seems to make other people not want to post here.
Not true. He's one of them but so are you. Equally at least.
If your goal here is to keep people from expressing their thoughts and experiences of Elan and run them off, you are surely accoplishing that.
so are you whether you realise it or not
People dont like to post here because of you. You make this board's environment not friendly. You have been constantly disrespecting Matt, who so is trying to make this board into something better.
Your little games are very stale these days. Attacking me anonmously, then agreeing with yourself again, over and over. Are you a mental case or what? You are also making yourslef look like even a bigger donkeys ass then ever before.
Such an immature, disturbed little man you are. And you wonder why so many people dislike you? The filth, and immaturity that comes from your mouth daily.
Why dont you go buy some dollies to play with? This way you can talk trash to them and dont have to worry about them talking back to you. You obviously lack the maturity to engage in a civil conversation with us.
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all the same goes for you too
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"ya know your right.Its not the 1st time i have had to say that.I think its best for me to leave."
Thank God!
"This used to be a place where i could come and meet old friends,be silly,and be part of something . Its none of those things anymore and has not been in a long time."
Gee I wonder why that is arthur? Could it be everyone is just about sick-n-tired of your games?
"I am too old for these games. i thought you or Matt would see things differently. But I dont always say the right things either."
Thats about the only logic thing I have ever heard you say.
"this is NOTHING like AA. there I am loved and cared for.Yes there are some creeps.But they are not allowed to capitalize a meeting like the 10 or so threads dedicated to accusations of being a pedofile."
Well repeated invitations to engage in oral sex under your desk, what else are we to think of you arthur?
"I leave very disapointed that noone has done anything to stop this for going on 2 years."
You started all of this shit, you ought to be fuckin' ashamed of yourself.
"I may still send you a letter from my attorney,but I am not sure i want to be part of or remember any of this.
peace and god bless
art"
Oh I am sure you will, while your at it, why not forge a letter from the attorney general and the president of the united states?
Personally I hold nothing against you arthur, you went through the same shit we did if not worse. But for the last 8 or so months you have been running on a major dysfunction and acting like a huge ASSHOLE to many here. I even told Matt in a PM, I dont think you should be banned, just need to get along and knock off your bullshit.
Yes I will admit people have said some mean things to and about you, but you brought all this on yourself. It takes 2 to argue.. You focus all your problems on me, and accuse me of being the one that has been troubling you, which btw is not true. I have said things to you in the past only because you are an asshole and a prick to people.
You make up this outrageous lies, which btw no one would even think twice in believing you, less alone a Government Official. You cry over spilt milk, and make a mole hill into a mountain.
If you want to contribute and participate in conversations "constructively" thats fine by me, I wouldn't mine your presence here. If you are gonna continue acting like an asshole and being a prick, then I'd rather you not come here.
Everything out of your mouth is complaints, so and so said this about you, so and so said that about you, BIG FUCKIN' DEAL. GROW UP! this is not Kindergarten. I can't believe I am actaully addressing someone in their 40's about this.
Bottom line, if you can be nice and get along, then you are more then welcomed to stay here, if you continue to act like a child, then expect to be treated like one.
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Arthur, your story and experience of elan is most important to us all. We all had to endure the pain and pointless adventure at that place. If maybe you just get it past your mind to use this board for what its real purpose is instead of using it like an AA meeting, you might just be able to see things diferently.
Everyone makes mistakes arthur, you are not an exception. Get along with us and things will be better. You believe it or not count as one of those indivduals, and I welcome your positive input.
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Its obviously futile to post privately or think that I could have a relationship with the board owner that would be based on a common goal. You think you know me. You believe that I started and continued this distgusting display of vulgarity. You do not,and I did not.
It does not matter.This kid is just playing a game and you are just another pawn in this game.
Never did I post anything as distgusting as this individual.I am incapable of this. I have relationships outside of this site with a number of Elan pedople who are truly my friends.Many of them used to come here.
I and Mike asked you to do something about this child 8 plus months ago and it was my problem not his.Though I never made up any outlandish stories involving fecal matter or child molesting using up your bandwidth like this boy has.I dont disclaim any responsibility for many of my responses to him or his anon screen names.It doesnt take a genius to read sentence structure and put 2 and 2 together.Anyone who has been coming here as long as I have knows this guy is whacked.Its his mess Matt has been cleaning up.Yet I am the bad one?
God bless you both
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On 2006-03-06 11:06:00, Eudora wrote:
"Ok, well let me just run this by you then and see what you think.
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ya know your right.Its not the 1st time i have had to say that.I think its best for me to leave.This used to be a place where i could come and meet old friends,be silly,and be part of something . Its none of those things anymore and has not been in a long time.I am too old for these games. i thought you or Matt would see things differently. But I dont always say the right things either.this is NOTHING like AA. there I am loved and cared for.Yes there are some creeps.But they are not allowed to capitalize a meeting like the 10 or so threads dedicated to accusations of being a pedofile. I leave very disapointed that noone has done anything to stop this for going on 2 years. I may still send you a letter from my attorney,but I am not sure i want to be part of or remember any of this.
peace and god bless
art
I hope I win this gambit, but I don't hold out much hope. I'm only doing this for one reason. Because I think it pretty much explains everything. I think his avatar for WTF2 is a nice clue as well. See, Art seems to have set out to turn this open forum into just another rendition of the Program. He doesn't want you guys talking about things that may embarass him or shame him or threaten his frail relationship with the more commonly accepted reality.
It ain't gonna happen, Art! If you prefer the company of brainwashed stepcraft practitioners who will reliably support your shared illusions, then I think you should go hang out with them. It's a free country, ya know!
I also don't hold out much hope that you'll actually quit this time just because you say so. But I want you guys, those who want to have a cogent discussion about Elan and, especially, those of you who (like me) are interested in the complex relationships between Elan and other programs and broader society, to just fucking ignore the irrelavnt shit.
I don't always get what I want, though, and often enough that turns out for the best because I didn't understand the whole story to begin with.
And, btw, I haven't heard from Dee in a very long time and often wonder how she's doing. I hope she's well and happy.All penalties for drug users should be dropped...Making drug abuse a crime is useless and even dangerous...Every year we seize more and more drugs but the quantity available still increases...Police are losing the drug battle worldwide.
--Raymond Kendall ~ Secretary General of Interpol 1994
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WTF2
Familiar Face
Joined: 2006-02-08
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Well I am a women but as far as you getting anywhere near me I think not, looks to me your already very busy with all your thoughts of gay sex and little boys. The shit you say Arts into I think its you thats into it, and I think its really getting old, try growing up already everyone knows that Arts an ok guy.
So according to the sites admin, WTF2 is confirmed to be arthur. But in the above post arthur admits he's a female?
Yet another lie you tell us arthur, even after being confronted. Such a dishonest person you are.
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Iam not art I dont whos saying Iam, or WTF IP your viewing. I am a friend of Arts STOP THE LIES!
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On 2006-03-06 14:09:00, WTF2 wrote:
"Iam not art I dont whos saying Iam, or WTF IP your viewing. I am a friend of Arts STOP THE LIES! "
wtf2/art, this game is getting real childish and really is not called for. The sites admin made this finding, not I, just face it you're busted.
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On 2006-03-06 12:06:00, The Elan Reporter wrote:
So according to the sites admin, WTF2 is confirmed to be arthur.
Where did she say that?
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On 2006-03-06 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-06 12:06:00, The Elan Reporter wrote:
So according to the sites admin, WTF2 is confirmed to be arthur.
Where did she say that?"
Never mind, found it.
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Ok smart ass more then one person on here knows who Iam I am not going to play into this anymore. This kind of game is what you have been ask to STOP! Think what you like say WHAT ever makes you happy ,,, I will only carry on in topics that are BULLSHIT FREE :wave:
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[ This Message was edited by: WTF2 on 2006-03-06 14:43 ]
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On 2006-03-06 14:42:00, WTF2 wrote:
"Ok smart ass more then one person on here knows who Iam I am not going to play into this anymore. This kind of game is what you have been ask to STOP! Think what you like say WHAT ever makes you happy ,,, I will only carry on in topics that are BULLSHIT FREE :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So let me get this straight here. You said you were leaving the board, but I guess that only means leaving the board with the artman screen name?
How could you even have the nerve to sit here and argue that you are not art wtf2? The site admin, admitted it, so you are now calling her a liar? Unfuckinreal! You really do have some serious mental problems arthur, but I dont care, if you want to be wtf2 or whomever thats fine with me, just try to at least show some restraint and leave me out of your sick world.
Some days this board just feels like a kindergarten from hell, with a 40 year old child leading it into disaster.
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On 2006-03-06 11:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
Its obviously futile to post privately or think
Obviously you've got it backwards. You're supposed to think first before you post private messages. I would never have done that if you hadn't just yesterday done the same, even though it was most delicious. Fornits an AA meeting, indeed! :rofl: The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
--Thomas Sowell
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Reporter, I thought it was common knowledge. I didn't really scrutinize this, I just took it for granted as it's the same location/ISP. For all I know, it might be Art's ex wife, sister, cousin or daughter.
Thing is, yenz will never ever agree about who started the obscenity because yenz have completely different definitions of the word. Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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Eudora, this war between me and him has been going on for years now. What started the whole damn thing was what I was writing about Marty and the rest of the goons up there in Maine. Arthur objected to the material which then turned into this long war.
When I first encountered arthur here objecting to what I wrote about Marty, I pegged him for an Elan supporter. Over time arthur showed different views of elan which then led me to believe I was wrong about him supporting elan in that fashion.
A fuck you here, a fuck you there then turned into a personal battle feild with the guy. The stupid anonymous agreeing with himself crap then came about, which fed the war even more.
There were occassions where we tried to get along and a couple of times gave ourselves a shot to get along, but at every possible truce offering, he somehow turned into a snake over time.
Then there was the time where arthur offered an oral sex invite to all I believe who opposed him. Then it caught the attention of another user who then cmae up with the word (pedophile) and soon labled arthur one. I mean art had no idea of the sex and age of these people he was addressing this sick proposition too. What the hell else would he think people would think of him? A porn king?
Now if we take a little trip back memory lane to where Syn requested that everything get along for just one day. Well I played along, and carried on conversations with Jimmy, and Screan, but I think that really bothered arthur and he didnt like to see his friends talking with me.
Ofcoarse what followed next was his baiting/insults then BAM! The board was back to its usual fights. Arthur soon caught the attention of Mr.Bus which whom took a disliking to arthur and then there was even more fighting going on between him.
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On 2006-03-06 17:54:00, Eudora wrote:
"Reporter, I thought it was common knowledge. I didn't really scrutinize this, I just took it for granted as it's the same location/ISP. For all I know, it might be Art's ex wife, sister, cousin or daughter.
Thing is, yenz will never ever agree about who started the obscenity because yenz have completely different definitions of the word. Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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Or maybe it's that ersatz family attroney he has been rambling on about?
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On 2006-03-06 17:35:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-06 11:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
Its obviously futile to post privately or think
Obviously you've got it backwards. You're supposed to think first before you post private messages. I would never have done that if you hadn't just yesterday done the same, even though it was most delicious. Fornits an AA meeting, indeed! :rofl:
What a snake you are Eudora. That was somebodies private message. I think it's pretty clear just how much you can be trusted.
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On 2006-03-06 17:54:00, Eudora wrote:
"Reporter, I thought it was common knowledge. I didn't really scrutinize this, I just took it for granted as it's the same location/ISP. For all I know, it might be Art's ex wife, sister, cousin or daughter.
Thing is, yenz will never ever agree about who started the obscenity because yenz have completely different definitions of the word.
My, you're quite technically adept Eudora. What a fine investigator you are!
Let's all guess this through together.
Art and wtf2 are both in the chicago area. Not too many people there. That is too uncanny to be coincidence!
Art and wtf2 seem to have the same isp. Let me guess. I know who wtf2 is and I know SHE uses cable to access the internet. So art must have comcast as his cable compny too. Oh my gosh!! They both have comcast! What a freakin coincidence! Comcast is the worlds largest cable company, the worlds second largest isp. Art and wtf2 both use it. My freakin gosh! Another uncanny similarity.
The clues just keep adding up! They MUST be the same person.
Art is a man, wtf2 is a woman, they live almost two hours driving time apart and aren't related to each other.
The only similarity between the is that they both use the worlds largest cable company to access the internet and that they both live in one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the united states.
geeze, you're good!
Why don't you take a stab at the kennedy assassination next.
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On 2006-03-06 14:09:00, WTF2 wrote:
"Iam not art I dont whos saying Iam, or WTF IP your viewing. I am a friend of Arts STOP THE LIES! "
Do you happen to be posting, or have you posted from Art's PC?
They've both done their share of lying. I ain't buying much of what either one has to say. Incidentally, don't I remember Art talking a long time ago about being some kind of executive director or ass't. director at Elan? I could have sworn I read that but I could be wrong.
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Why thank you, Anon! That's probably the nicest thing you'll ever say about me!
"I observed on one of the drums belonging to the marines there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, "Don't tread on me." As I know it is the custom to have some device on the arms of every country, I supposed this may have been intended for the arms of America; and as I have nothing to do with public affairs, and as my time is perfectly my own, in order to divert an idle hour, I sat down to guess what could have been intended by this uncommon device - I took care, however, to consult on this occasion a person who is acquainted with heraldry, from whom I learned, that it is a rule among the learned of that science "That the worthy properties of the animal, in the crest-born, shall be considered," and, "that the base ones cannot have been intended;" he likewise informed me that the ancients considered the serpent as an emblem of wisdom, and in a certain attitude of endless duration - both which circumstances I suppose may have been had in view.
Having gained this intelligence, and recollecting that countries are sometimes represented by animals peculiar to them, it occurred to me that the Rattle-SNake is found in no other quarter of the world besides America, and may therefore have been chosen, on that account, to represent her.
But then "the wordly properties" of a Snake I judged would be hard to point out. This rather raised than suppressed my curiosity, and having frequently seen the Rattle-Snake, I ran over in my mind every property by which she was distinguished, not only from other animals, but from those of the same genus or class of animals, endeavoring to fix some meaning to each, not wholly inconsistent with common sense.
I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids. She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance. She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shown and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal. Conscious of this, she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.
Was I wrong, Sir, in thinking this a strong picture of the temper and conduct of America? The poison of her teeth is the necessary means of digesting her food, and at the same time is certain destruction to her enemies. This may be understood to intimate that those things which are destructive to our enemies, may be to us not only harmless, but absolutely necessary to our existence. I confess I was wholly at a loss what to make of the rattles, 'till I went back and counted them and found them just thirteen, exactly the number of the Colonies united in America; and I recollected too that this was the only part of the Snake which increased in numbers. Perhaps it might be only fancy, but, I conceited the painter had shown a half formed additional rattle, which, I supppose, may have been intended to represent the province of Canada.
'Tis curious and amazing to observe how distinct and independent of each other the rattles of this animal are, and yet how firmly they are united together, so as never to be separated but by breaking them to pieces. One of those rattles singly, is incapable of producing sound, but the ringing of thirteen together, is sufficient to alarm the boldest man living.
The Rattle-Snake is solitary, and associates with her kind only when necessary for their preservation. In winter, the warmth of a number together will preserve their lives, while singly, they would probably perish. The power of fascination attributed to her, by a generous construction, may be understood to mean, that those who consider the liberty and blessings which America affords, and once come over to her, never afterwards leave her, but spend their lives with her. She strongly resembles America in this, that she is beautiful in youth and her beauty increaseth with her age, "her tongue also is blue and forked as the lightning, and her abode is among impenetrable rocks."--Benjamin Franklin as published in the Pennsylvania Journal on December 27, 1775.
Turn about's fair play. Don't tread on me, suckuh!The orientation of the public school in and of itself disenfranchises the poor. It suggests that only the student can be held responsible for failure; the institution, because of its position and strength in society, is unassailable.
--Rodger Hurley
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On 2006-03-07 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-06 17:54:00, Eudora wrote:
"Reporter, I thought it was common knowledge. I didn't really scrutinize this, I just took it for granted as it's the same location/ISP. For all I know, it might be Art's ex wife, sister, cousin or daughter.
Thing is, yenz will never ever agree about who started the obscenity because yenz have completely different definitions of the word.
My, you're quite technically adept Eudora. What a fine investigator you are!
Let's all guess this through together.
Art and wtf2 are both in the chicago area. Not too many people there. That is too uncanny to be coincidence!
Art and wtf2 seem to have the same isp. Let me guess. I know who wtf2 is and I know SHE uses cable to access the internet. So art must have comcast as his cable compny too. Oh my gosh!! They both have comcast! What a freakin coincidence! Comcast is the worlds largest cable company, the worlds second largest isp. Art and wtf2 both use it. My freakin gosh! Another uncanny similarity.
The clues just keep adding up! They MUST be the same person.
Art is a man, wtf2 is a woman, they live almost two hours driving time apart and aren't related to each other.
The only similarity between the is that they both use the worlds largest cable company to access the internet and that they both live in one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the united states.
geeze, you're good!
Why don't you take a stab at the kennedy assassination next. "
But two seperate people sharing the same ip address? Not possible. If that is what Eudora is saying. From my opinion, I assume that wtf2 and art have the SAME ip address which brought to the conclusion that they are the same.
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On 2006-03-07 12:00:00, The Elan Reporter wrote:
But two seperate people sharing the same ip address? Not possible.
Actually, quite common. If WTF2 is visiting Art, for example, he/she could post from his puter. That's what I assumed I was looking at. But, as I say, didn't look all that closely. Never figured yenz would take an offhand remark of mine so deadly seriously.
Regardless, whether WTF2 is Art or just a friend, the avatar still gives a clue what their objective may be. Not evidence, not emperical, irrefutable proof, mind you. Just something to think about.
Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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for my anon 2 cents,, reporter and his goon squad sure were having fun at arts , and others expense, now reporter wants to talk,,, i say fuck him. ive seen that manipulation to many times. prolly a trick he learned in elan, personally,, i would never share anything real w/ him for fear of it being used in another smear campaign.the reality is if these moderators didnt show up with abilitiy to read ips,, he and his cronnies would still be flinging the shit
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1. As used in this act:
"Information content provider" means any person or entity that is responsible, in whole or in part, for the creation or development of information provided through the Internet or any other interactive computer service.
"Interactive computer service" means any information system, service, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides service to the Internet.
"Internet" means the international computer network of both federal and non-federal interoperable packet switched data networks.
"Internet service provider" or "provider" means any person, business or organization qualified to do business in this State that provides individuals, corporations, or other entities with the ability to connect to the Internet through equipment that is located in this State.
"Operator" means any person, business or organization qualified to do business in this State that operates an interactive computer service.
2. The operator of any interactive computer service or an Internet service provider shall establish, maintain and enforce a policy to require any information content provider who posts written messages on a public forum website either to be identified by a legal name and address, or to register a legal name and address with the operator of the interactive computer service or the Internet service provider through which the information content provider gains access to the interactive computer service or Internet, as appropriate.
3. An operator of an interactive computer service or an Internet service provider shall establish and maintain reasonable procedures to enable any person to request and obtain disclosure of the legal name and address of an information content provider who posts false or defamatory information about the person on a public forum website.
4. Any person who is damaged by false or defamatory written messages that originate from an information content provider who posts such messages on a public forum website may file suit in Superior Court against an operator or provider that fails to establish, maintain and enforce the policy required pursuant to section 2 of P.C.) (pending before the Legislature as this bill), and may recover compensatory and punitive damages and the cost of the suit, including a reasonable attorney's fee, cost of investigation and litigation from such operator or provider.
5. This act shall take effect on the 90th day following enactment.
STATEMENT
This bill would require an operator of any interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish, maintain and enforce a policy requiring an information content provider who posts messages on a public forum website either to be identified by legal name and address or to register a legal name and address with the operator or provider prior to posting messages on a public forum website.
The bill requires an operator of an interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish and maintain reasonable procedures to enable any person to request and obtain disclosure of the legal name and address of an information content provider who posts false or defamatory information about the person on a public forum website.
In addition, the bill makes any operator or Internet service provider liable for compensatory and punitive damages as well as costs of a law suit filed by a person damaged by the posting of such messages if the operator or Internet service provider fails to establish, maintain and enforce the policy required by section 2 of the bill
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On 2006-03-08 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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1. As used in this act:
"Information content provider" means any person or entity that is responsible, in whole or in part, for the creation or development of information provided through the Internet or any other interactive computer service.
"Interactive computer service" means any information system, service, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides service to the Internet.
"Internet" means the international computer network of both federal and non-federal interoperable packet switched data networks.
"Internet service provider" or "provider" means any person, business or organization qualified to do business in this State that provides individuals, corporations, or other entities with the ability to connect to the Internet through equipment that is located in this State.
"Operator" means any person, business or organization qualified to do business in this State that operates an interactive computer service.
2. The operator of any interactive computer service or an Internet service provider shall establish, maintain and enforce a policy to require any information content provider who posts written messages on a public forum website either to be identified by a legal name and address, or to register a legal name and address with the operator of the interactive computer service or the Internet service provider through which the information content provider gains access to the interactive computer service or Internet, as appropriate.
3. An operator of an interactive computer service or an Internet service provider shall establish and maintain reasonable procedures to enable any person to request and obtain disclosure of the legal name and address of an information content provider who posts false or defamatory information about the person on a public forum website.
4. Any person who is damaged by false or defamatory written messages that originate from an information content provider who posts such messages on a public forum website may file suit in Superior Court against an operator or provider that fails to establish, maintain and enforce the policy required pursuant to section 2 of P.C.) (pending before the Legislature as this bill), and may recover compensatory and punitive damages and the cost of the suit, including a reasonable attorney's fee, cost of investigation and litigation from such operator or provider.
5. This act shall take effect on the 90th day following enactment.
STATEMENT
This bill would require an operator of any interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish, maintain and enforce a policy requiring an information content provider who posts messages on a public forum website either to be identified by legal name and address or to register a legal name and address with the operator or provider prior to posting messages on a public forum website.
The bill requires an operator of an interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish and maintain reasonable procedures to enable any person to request and obtain disclosure of the legal name and address of an information content provider who posts false or defamatory information about the person on a public forum website.
In addition, the bill makes any operator or Internet service provider liable for compensatory and punitive damages as well as costs of a law suit filed by a person damaged by the posting of such messages if the operator or Internet service provider fails to establish, maintain and enforce the policy required by section 2 of the bill"
Arthur give it up already! Don't you know when to quit? You are really acting like a child these past few days, sort of like when a child gets his favorite toy taken away for being a naughty child. Crying will get you nowhere here. You bitch and moan about your pm getting published for all to see, yet you forgot that you posted my pm for all to see. A little taste of your own medicine I see fit.
Sorry, but this is not a place like AA as Ginger so smartly put it. You as of late been throwin temper tantruns here, and don't know when to stop. You're busted, exposed, caught with your pants down, what more do we need to do? Arthur, don't go away mad, just go away.
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On 2006-03-08 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Interactive computer service" means any information system, service, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides service to the Internet.
Yes, like, ferinstance Comcast.
Art, take my advice, please! Just click your heels three times and incant "There's no place like AA, there's no place like AA!"
"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]
--Ben Guillory
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On 2006-03-08 10:29:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-08 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Interactive computer service" means any information system, service, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides service to the Internet.
Yes, like, ferinstance Comcast.
Art, take my advice, please! Just click your heels three times and incant "There's no place like AA, there's no place like AA!"
"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]
--Ben Guillory
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On 2006-03-08 10:29:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-08 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Interactive computer service" means any information system, service, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides service to the Internet.
Yes, like, ferinstance Comcast.
Art, take my advice, please! Just click your heels three times and incant "There's no place like AA, there's no place like AA!"
"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]
--Ben Guillory
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:rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG that is just too funny! Theres no place like AA, LMFAO!
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Listen Art, I think Reporter's just as much of an ass as you are, but he's got a point. Why is it OK for you to post his PM but not OK for yours to be posted? Hmm?
I think you probably would be better served to take Ginger's advice and skulk back to your closed society where they can love-bomb ya ta death.
btw................ http://orange-papers.org/ (http://orange-papers.org/) .......BOO!
:rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-03-08 10:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Listen Art, I think Reporter's just as much of an ass as you are, but he's got a point. Why is it OK for you to post his PM but not OK for yours to be posted? Hmm?
I think you probably would be better served to take Ginger's advice and skulk back to your closed society where they can love-bomb ya ta death.
btw................ http://orange-papers.org/ (http://orange-papers.org/) .......BOO!
:rofl: :rofl: "
Talk about being two-faced? Yea, art posted my PM (which btw I could care less) but he is upset because Ginger posted his? WTF? Can you get any more 2 faced then that?
You really need to bow out now Arthur while there might still be a chance to hold onto what ever dignity you have left.
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I'm back!!!!!!!!!!![ This Message was edited by: The Elan Reporter on 2006-03-08 10:50 ]
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On 2006-03-08 10:49:00, The Elan Reporter wrote:
Talk about being two-faced? Yea, art posted my PM (which btw I could care less) but he is upset because Ginger posted his? WTF? Can you get any more 2 faced then that?
You really need to bow out now Arthur while there might still be a chance to hold onto what ever dignity you have left.
BTW...Reporter, you have been on especially good behavior as of late and it's much appreciated!
:tup:
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On 2006-03-08 11:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-08 10:49:00, The Elan Reporter wrote:
Talk about being two-faced? Yea, art posted my PM (which btw I could care less) but he is upset because Ginger posted his? WTF? Can you get any more 2 faced then that?
You really need to bow out now Arthur while there might still be a chance to hold onto what ever dignity you have left.
BTW...Reporter, you have been on especially good behavior as of late and it's much appreciated!
:tup: "
PM me whoever the author of the above is. If you dont mind?
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Sorry I was in NC and have not been here .
I wish I had. WFT2 is not Art
I promise you . WFT2 I hope to still talk with you this weekend .
Matt
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Mister Pink is laughing at all you.
observe: ----> :lol:
Thank you, and good night.
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Mister Pink is laughing at all you.
observe: ----> :lol:
Thank you, and good night.
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On 2006-03-03 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As we have all seen this forum has become a rather unusual place to say the least ,for some of the most absurd and vicious atacking and hyperbole adnauseum.
As that conservative republican hunting freak Ted Nugent has said it has turned into a "Free for All".
I have not been one to censor....though some of the really gross stuff like "tub girl" (which was a first for me )and the scat crap(no pun intended )and absurd postings I have had to delete .
I really had hoped that most of you would be able to police yerselves but that is obviously not the case. And the garbage has turned people away.(maybe that is their objective I don't know)
I have not been able to ride this site like it seems to have been required . I have 3 children ,a great job and a life.
I deal with elan on a daily basis, by my belief that elan and its henchmen (assistant directors and directors) should spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. That is how I deal with that little walnut sized ball of nuclear rage that resides in me from my experiences from elan and having to watch the lunacy that elan pulled on other good people. Pain is turned into anger.
And granted I don't let the lunacy that is elan control me ...its just how I deal with it and God willing those henchmen will go to prison and of course elan hopefully be shutdown .
I have posted alot of stories (actually not as many as I have witnessed ) of things that happened to me and what I saw happen to other people .Their are also a lot of other former residents of that hell hole that have also posted some of their experiences.
T^here are some serious testimonies located in these threads .Truth ,and it sets us free.
I have posted many times asking that the lunacy back off .The stuff that has no bearing on peoples experiences just stop. It hasn't. I also feel that most of the lunacy is indictive to the way we were treated by elan and its henchmen and the program. An end to a means.
One thing that I have said and I digress is that I have forgiven in my heart all the residents that worked me over at the behest of elan and elan's henchmen .Hey I know you had to do what you had to, to survive in that hell hole , It was eat or be eaten. I don't hold anything against any resident but I do hold elan and its henchmen accountable.
Now it has come to my attention that many peole are just fed up with the childsplay .I have been asked to ban people ,delete post and now I am being asked for peoples Ip addys. I am not responsible for what another adult posts plain and simple. I am responsible for what I post .And my posts are true and thats that.
Now what is going to happen is that another Forum is going to be created. I and a few other people on this board that I would like to have assist me are going to go back to the very begining and pull out the posts that are relative to elan and it's particular brand of (lunacy) (program ) There are peoples experiences (stories) that are worth reading and why should people who want to read them have to slog thru the stupid childish postings.
No one
This Forum will be readable only.And People will still be able post here .If they want their experiences put on the read only Forum I will see that this happens. But not the stuff that just wastes our time and is simple trash .It is not work. It is trash .
The reason why people have not been banned is because that is impossible to do. They could change proxy servers and pop up under another name and continue with their whatever .
This is not going to happen over night. But it will happen. Those interested in helping me please private message me and we will discuss how this is going to happen .
It would have really been nice if I did not have to do this and those people who know who they are had dug themselves .
You know there was a fellow named Allen Frey , He was in elan 6 with me .He was Glenn Frey's half brother (the fellow from the Eagles).Allen was a really nice person,I mean really decent .Allen got out after I left that place. Allen committed suicide 3 months or so after leaving elan. There are many people that in my opinion are dead for having come in contact with that hell hole and its henchmen.
The therapy that has been so aptly described in all the previous pages in this forum, is not a wonder that I have this opinion about elan .
I also put forth that if elan was so great a place then Allen Frey would certianly be with us today along with all the other really neat people that were caught up in a most unfortunate situation.
Peace to you all
Matt
Yeah i got bumped off this is my post Matt
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Very well put Matt. ::dove::
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Well, maybe I'm NOT sorry. Anyway, Glen Frey's brother Alan never went to Elan and is very much alive.
**Alan Frey's livelihood referenced on the following pages:
http://experts.about.com/q/Eagles-449/Glenn-Frey-2.htm (http://experts.about.com/q/Eagles-449/Glenn-Frey-2.htm)
http://www.glennfreyonline.com/funfacts.htm (http://www.glennfreyonline.com/funfacts.htm)
http://www.eaglesmusic.com/Lyrics/searc ... king%20man (http://www.eaglesmusic.com/Lyrics/search-lyrics.php?parm=Working%20man)
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Hello,
I posted regarding Glen Frey's half-brother (above) and then it occurred to me that you all might think I'm this "Art" person. Well, My name is Gen. I never went to a TC and just happened on this site by chance from a Google Search, where the "Glen Frey" subject line captured my attention.
I'm not discounting anything that was experienced by any of you. It must have been truly horrid and you have my condolensces. I'm sure someone was there who probably TOLD you he was Glen Frey's half brother (and had the same name) because he wanted to be liked by everyone. Sometimes children tell lies to be liked by other children. Still, you can do your own internet search and you'll find that Glen Frey's half-brother Alan is around 46 years old and still very much alive.
Warmly,
Gen
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Listen "Gen"
I dont know who you think you are, but here in the Elan section of fornits, the truth is not a widely acceptable, or recognizable nor popular thing.
See, the united troubled souls of TC's passed couldnt care less about Glen Freys cousin unless he actually WAS in Elan, which would mean that someone famous has a cousin who may or may not have had a legitimate reason to be in a place like Elan. Which in turn would mean that we are not all crazy fucking lunatics because Glan Freys cousin is Glen Freys cousin and though most famous people have a crazy cousin, Glen Freys cousin did not meet Elans minimum requirements.
But on the other hand, according to this sites enabler, theres not a single soul on earth who is in need of Elans medicine...Which leads us back to the question, or tale of Glen Freys Step brother (or was it his nephew?) actually being in Elan at any time slightly prior to the penning of "Hotel California" lyrics, and if his own hellish experience in Elan inspired those lyrics, or if he was just using the negative energy created by Elans captured youth to write a hit song that we could play while we were captured within the walls of this Northeastern lack-of-concentration-camp.
So, in closing, lets just say that youre a bunny with a pancake on its head.
There is no point to this post, there is no point to this thread, nor this site, nor the internet, nor is there a point to me picking the waxy lint out of the crevace at the most southern point of my back.
"Relax said the nightman, we are programmed to recieve. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
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P.S.
The above message is a retransmission of an indirect subliminal teleported thought created by Joe Walsh.
The exact time and date of transmission is likely at least 5 years old, and has been distorted by time in such a way that I cannot guaranty its acuracy or authenticity. I am merely flying by the seat of my pants here but have to assume that my ability to recieve mental transmissions from Joe is intact.
I am however awaiting confirmation from Joe himself, which is unlikely according to my psychologist, and the people who issued me a restraining order on Joes behalf.
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Who the hell are you???????????????? You dont know what the hell you are talking about. We were there with him. So shut up! And get off our site! :evil:
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On 2006-03-29 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who the hell are you???????????????? You dont know what the hell you are talking about. We were there with him. So shut up! And get off our site! :evil: "
Funny I was just thinking the same about you troll boy !
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Shit fuck.
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I was there knew Alan met Glen, when I speak to Alan, Thats the day I will believe you... Otherwise shut the hell up!
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Hey Gen, stick a dick in your mouth and CHOKE BITCH! Who the fuck do you think you are? You are a Cum catcher, thats what you are. You talk out of your ASS because your mouth knows better. Who agrees with me ?
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Who is this Gen? She never even went to Elan. What is she doing here? And why is she talking shit about something she knows nothing about. She's calling us liar's. Anyone have FEELINGS for Gen? :rofl:
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On 2006-03-30 03:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-29 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who the hell are you???????????????? You dont know what the hell you are talking about. We were there with him. So shut up! And get off our site! :evil: "
Funny I was just thinking the same about you troll boy !"
What makes you think Im a boy smart ass?
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On 2006-03-30 16:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was there knew Alan met Glen, when I speak to Alan, Thats the day I will believe you... Otherwise shut the hell up!"
Who said they met Glen? Go fuck yourself BITCH! ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff::
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On 2006-03-30 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey Gen, stick a dick in your mouth and CHOKE BITCH! Who the fuck do you think you are? You are a Cum catcher, thats what you are. You talk out of your ASS because your mouth knows better. Who agrees with me ?"
:nworthy: :nworthy:
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I said I met Glen I said I knew Alan at elan and its the truth.... Sorry to inform you....
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On 2006-03-30 22:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey Gen, stick a dick in your mouth and CHOKE BITCH! Who the fuck do you think you are? You are a Cum catcher, thats what you are. You talk out of your ASS because your mouth knows better. Who agrees with me ?"
:nworthy: :nworthy: "
who cares you sick fucker !
who agrees with me ?
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see if its not art ,, they attack anyone they can,, with crude comments that do nuthing but show there intelligence,, they were twisted fucks before elan, theyll be twisted fucks all there lives,, one can only hope they die before they breed and pass it on to their kids.,, i hear d about the fry thing when i was in 82,, dunno if true,, but you can internalize alot of tunes to your life,,interpret them differntly than the person sitting next to you,, let alone the artist..hmm, to bad theres not a song about shiteaters,, maybe the trolls could be healed by the power of rocknroll...
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On 2006-03-31 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"see if its not art ,, they attack anyone they can,, with crude comments that do nuthing but show there intelligence,, they were twisted fucks before elan, theyll be twisted fucks all there lives,, one can only hope they die before they breed and pass it on to their kids.,, i hear d about the fry thing when i was in 82,, dunno if true,, but you can internalize alot of tunes to your life,,interpret them differntly than the person sitting next to you,, let alone the artist..hmm, to bad theres not a song about shiteaters,, maybe the trolls could be healed by the power of rocknroll..."
Isnt it obvious by now that this is the only venue they can talk like this.In the world I live in,noone could get away with being as ill as they demonstrate here.Communicating the way they do here in a bar,or otherwise would render them pain.They know this,therefore here @ fornits is where their perspective ego lives. This is what true children do when mom or dad isnt looking,for those who raise,or have raised childen,is this not familiar?
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I saw Alan one summer too after he was brought back from going AWOL. I think this Gen has her wires crossed. Alan Frey was in Elan Iam sure of that.
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On 2006-04-02 12:51:00, screann wrote:
"Alan Frey was in Elan Iam sure of that."
Uhh, Ok, so I guess the next question is, who gives a dirty fuck?
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Run along and play little one,the adults are having a conversation.You are as unwanted here as you are in real life.
I never met Allen but heard alot about him during my stay.I heard he was a nice kid and was trying to live in the shadow of his brother,and wound up in jail a number of times.I also heard he OD'd.Thats all I know of him.
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On 2006-04-02 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Run along and play little one,the adults are having a conversation.You are as unwanted here as you are in real life.
I never met Allen but heard alot about him during my stay.I heard he was a nice kid and was trying to live in the shadow of his brother,and wound up in jail a number of times.I also heard he OD'd.Thats all I know of him."
Same question:
Who gives a dirty fuck?
Oh, now its Glen Frys brother?
Get your stories straight you Elan scumbag.
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On 2006-04-02 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-02 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Run along and play little one,the adults are having a conversation.You are as unwanted here as you are in real life.
I never met Allen but heard alot about him during my stay.I heard he was a nice kid and was trying to live in the shadow of his brother,and wound up in jail a number of times.I also heard he OD'd.Thats all I know of him."
Same question:
Who gives a dirty fuck?
Oh, now its Glen Frys brother?
Get your stories straight you Elan scumbag. "
Who's the Scum Bag????????? Let me tell you Elan would have had a feild day with you.... Scum Bag. ::unhappy::
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On 2006-04-02 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Run along and play little one,the adults are having a conversation.You are as unwanted here as you are in real life.
I never met Allen but heard alot about him during my stay.I heard he was a nice kid and was trying to live in the shadow of his brother,and wound up in jail a number of times.I also heard he OD'd.Thats all I know of him."
::troll::
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On 2006-04-02 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Run along and play little one,the adults are having a conversation.You are as unwanted here as you are in real life. :tup:
I never met Allen but heard alot about him during my stay.I heard he was a nice kid and was trying to live in the shadow of his brother,and wound up in jail a number of times.I also heard he OD'd.Thats all I know of him."
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On 2006-03-30 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey Gen, stick a dick in your mouth and CHOKE BITCH! Who the fuck do you think you are? You are a Cum catcher, thats what you are. You talk out of your ASS because your mouth knows better. Who agrees with me ?"
Sad, sad... All this girl "Gen" did was point out a few links that proved her point and told you to do an internet search. Oh, excuse me. I forgot. The truth doesn't matter to any of you.
Really impressive... All this does is disprove in the minds of anyone "sane" that any of you could be telling the truth about anything, *including* what happened at Elan. No wonder there has been no apologies or settlements for any of you basket cases!
Glen Frey's REAL brother (LOL)
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Sad, sad... All this girl "Gen" did was point out a few links that proved her point and told you to do an internet search. Oh, excuse me. I forgot. The truth doesn't matter to any of you.
Really impressive... All this does is disprove in the minds of anyone "sane" that any of you could be telling the truth about anything, *including* what happened at Elan. No wonder there has been no apologies or settlements for any of you basket cases!
Glen Frey's REAL brother (LOL)"
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Thanks to tyhe reporter and his terrorist group (jordan),we look as sick as them.
"You can only judge the distance by the company you keep"
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What I said is the truth I am sorry if this girl does not beleive me or Diane Or Matt or all the others on here who know Alan was there...End of subject....
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On 2006-04-05 17:41:00, WTF2 wrote:
"What I said is the truth I am sorry if this girl does not beleive me or Diane Or Matt or all the others on here who know Alan was there...End of subject...."
Thats the thing, no one beleives you artie. You are nothing but a troll in the eyes of us all. Your immature rants, and cry baby wetting your diaper will get you no where in life.
:rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-04-06 04:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-05 17:41:00, WTF2 wrote:
"What I said is the truth I am sorry if this girl does not beleive me or Diane Or Matt or all the others on here who know Alan was there...End of subject...."
Thats the thing, no one beleives you artie. You are nothing but a troll in the eyes of us all. Your immature rants, and cry baby wetting your diaper will get you no where in life.
:rofl: :rofl: "
artie?
you really ARE stupid...... Must be one of the shiteaters
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Hey shiteater
Who's rants.....Pages and pages of your bs... lets not EVEN try to compare
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Hello wake up Its already been proven I am not Art ok.... We are talking about Alan and elan not Art ...
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It takes a thousand voices to tell just one story. That's an old No American aphorism. I wonder if European native tribes or Eastern cultures have a corollary?
If you want to understand Elan, even if you were there, even if you were administrative staff and think you know all there is to know, take it in the context in which it exists. Look around at the rest of the industry and see if anything looks familiar.
Lot of ppl don't like to advertise the fact that they were in one of these programs. But a few folks actually were there when this guy was and know that he was there. So it's not too surprising that this guy deny's having been an Elan student. You should see some of the frantic email I sometimes get when people find their names mentioned in some of these forums.
And there's another common thread. Part of the mindfuck is that the detainees believe that there's no escape but certain sorrow and even death. So when someone does get away, the Program devout (usually staff) make up all kinds of shit talk about them. When I left, I went back to my home town, rented a room from an old family friend, got a job and just went on w/ my life. Married 20 years coming up this summer, three kids. Not much more than the usual difficulties and youthful errors.
But if you asked my mom or any of the program ppl she talked to? Holy fuck! If I didn't know where it was coming from, I would probably have been devistated. But as it is, I laughed hard when I finally started looking up old friends from Sarasota. It seems that, in my mom's over active and unkind imagination, I had almost instantly become a heroin addicted street walking on Ft. Lauderdale strip!
And there are just SO many people I've heard of coming to this or that undignified end, only to find out they're just fine, plugging along despite having had their late adolescence and early adulthood severely monkeywrenched.
So I'd take it that Mr. Frey probably was in Elan, but probably didn't die a horrible death as a result of escaping w/o the Elan certification of acceptance and that Elan employs the same o'le, same o'le shit tlkin' machine for the same ol'e lame ass reasons as the rest of the LGA industry. Just as any other cult does, of necessity.
See? You can learn something from anybody.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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That could be true I mean I have noway of knowing if hes alive or not... But I know he was at elan and how he left Iam not sure of,,, I was let go before him... You just might have something here... room for thought....
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hey pork chop !
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whats that pose to mean?
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means i want you to pick up some pork chops and bring em out for dinner.....
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LOL will do sometime soon....
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Why is this stupid fucking thread pinned to the top?
Why is the flame wars pinned to the top?
Is this fucking place pathetic or what?
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because we don't have moderators here. law of the jungle, only the strong get pinned, and all that goodness
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The troll thread should be renamed "The Official Flaming Troll War Thread" Then we could leave it at the top for evah. I wish this Glen Frye thread would go away now.[ This Message was edited by: xres8182 on 2006-05-05 09:07 ]
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Die thread die
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[ This Message was edited by: xres8182 on 2006-05-11 05:35 ]
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Allen Frey was in elan Fact
Alan Frey is dead and according to (in my opinion )a true sociopath's web site elan alum .com. "he killed himself shortly after leaving" that hell hole that is elan .
sorry Xres that you are not happy with this thread . I have been away for quite a while .
as Frank Zappa wrote the Torture never stops .
this post is mine .I trust everyone is having the beginning of a good or great summer .
Matthiam [ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-06-05 16:02 ]
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as Frank Zappa wrote the Torture never stops
Or
As Art wrote the torture never stops because the Moderators wont moderate,and have allowed this cesspool to become what it is..
Thanks for all your help in making this a place to come and meet up with old friends
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Hi Matt,how ya doin? I just think this stickys gettin old. But if it is your personal coduit,that's cool.
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Xres I am doing fine. Its kinda is a personal thing because Allen Frey was one of the nicest people you could ever have known.
He did not judge me after the knife incident.
zaretsky was an ass. director of Allans house peter mccann was the director.
Got some pretty vivid memories about these
(in my opinion) whack jobs.
Some id10t posted on a web site how the song Hotel California was not about that hell we all know as elan. In the process of "debunking " this myth they brought up Allan Frey's name.
I believe that with my whole heart that if the therapy that elan(monies recieved for therapy offered)proffitted from was worth anything that Allan Frey would be alive today .
That smug and in my opinion a true sociopath and pathological liar (zaretzky)went on to post how shortly after leaving that Allen killed himself and then so smuggly offered that he thought that allen could not live in the shadow of his brother (Glenn Frey ).
That was exactly why Allen was in that hell hole called elan .I know because I asked him once about his brothers fame and if it bothered him. And he looked at me in a perplexed way and said that was pretty much why he was in elan.
If I were Glen Frey and I loved my half brother, after all he paid for Allen's stay. I would use a few of my many millions and jerk a knot in elan that would shred that hell hole in two and make sure that justice is served and elan is shutdown and it henchmen spend the rest of their natural lives in prison.
I just wish that Glenn Frey knew the truth about elan and what went on there and why his half brother is dead. elan's therapy is as oxymoronic as lollipop pizza.
The difference is that eating lollipop pizza won't kill you. It's just gross.
I got bumped off
Matthiam
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The above post is mine
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LOL Did you say KZ was an ass or an asst. dir
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Xres it is a given that kz is an ASS.He was an assitant " wannabe "like some people aspire to be air guitar prize winners with a passion ,director a directors director.
Though in my opinion I think he is a complete and total pathological liar and in every sense of the word ,a true sociopath.
Like the song, Back in New york City , by Genesis off the Lamb lies Down on Broadway album.
Matt[ This Message was edited by: Matt C. Hoffman on 2006-06-08 16:14 ]
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The above post is mine .
Its is nuts how I get bumped off trying to post