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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Woof-a-Doof on February 26, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
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Be forewarned?this is a long post
5 pm I arrived directly across from the pavilion and parked facing the establishment...so not to miss anything. I sat quietly, remembering last years event...seemed colder last year...seemed darker. I made a quick phone call to verify the address (would have hated to have been at the wrong place). It was confirmed...I was at the right place.
Members of the catering staff and the orchestra were arriving. Lil children were running around, all dressed up, thier parents talking with each other...nice.
While sitting there I began to question and evaluate why I was there...Moral support...yeah, thats it Moral Support, I was going to see people that I saw last year and perhaps folks I went thru the program with. So yeah, I was excited while I sat there contemplating the course of the evening and enjoying the steady westerly winds. I was comfortable with my role as a Moral Supporter.
As I blankly gazed across the street I saw Mike Sherman walking across the street with a handful of flyers in one hand and a cell phone pressed against his head with the other hand...whew, I wasn't the only one there from our camp. Once he safely crossed the street I blew my horn and waved.
We shook hands and embraced. Mike and I endured Straight together. I hadn't spoken to him in some 27 years.... well except last year at the same venue and a few times bantering back and forth here on fornits.
Seemingly we were about to get a late start, but Mike quickly informed me that "we have already been asked to leave". WHAT? I mean I was only 30 minutes late, how could that have happened so quickly. What could have upset them so much that they had already asked Mike and company to leave.
Enter Samantha (Sammiegirl) Monroe...now, I wont' and can't say that she was the reason the Ala Carte Pavilion asked us to leave...but I can imagine a few eye brows were raised. She certainly got my attention.
While I was shaking Mikes hand and going thru first moment pleasantries here comes a guy with a video camera aimed at Mike and I. Oh great, simply wonderful. It's not that I don?t like cameras, I do. But I am more accustomed to being on the other side of the lens. Then my more paranoid nature took over and I envisioned the film being reviewed by guys in dark suits and a memorandum being passed out with my name, my vital statistics, including military history. But then the calming effect of the botanicals I had inhaled soothed my fleeting thoughts.
Mike and I agreed that we should take a ride thru the surrounding neighborhood. We both wanted to "catch up" on what had gone down in the past quarter century as well as since last we saw each other a year ago. While driving off, a quick look in the rear view window showed a COP car and Sammie in the middle of the road...of course our guy with the camera was within feet of the action. It was a quick debate...stop and turn around or keep going...We agreed it would not be a good idea to drive up on them with a freshly lit hooter hanging from my lips.
Upon our return to the designated parking space, Mike quickly got a group of signs out of his vehicle and looked me in the eye and said, "Lets get out there and start holding up the signs"...But Mike...I didnt come here to actually protest, I am here for Moral Support, I came here because I wanted to support the people. But simple mathematics showed only three (3) would be protesters. As Mike pulled the signs and flyers out of his vehicle, I counted 10+ signs. They would need more than 3 people to help carry them. Mike told me to do as much as I felt comfortable with.
Internal debate quickly ensued..."I am not an activist", "I am not a protester", "I am here for the people". Then other thoughts flooded my attention, "I have always wanted to say publicly how Straight sucked", "I have always wanted people to re-consider the merits of the Tough Love bullshit", "I always wanted people to look at 'treatment' in the long term...that is 25 years after the fact.", "I have always wanted people to know about the atrocities under the guise of ?treatment??
Well, this was my chance to say something. But what about the ?holocaust?, and the comparison of Straight Inc the holocaust, what about calling Straight a Hate Group. I don?t know how to answer those strong statements. I see the irony of Mel Sembler a president of the board of the Holocaust Museum, I thought I could hold my own there, but calling Straight a Hate Group?To be honest, I haven?t fully wrapped my brain around that concept as of yet, at least in it?s entirety.
But I can say, one the with the utmost assurance, having a white sign with red lettering that says, ?Straight Inc. is a Hate Group? is a powerful attention getter.
Perhaps it?s the words ?Hate Group? in it?s self. I think the words have a huge impact in the minds of many. Especially since the time we began recognizing some crimes as ?Hate Motivated?. Then consider our audience last night was largely of Jewish descent, arguably the most persecuted peoples of the planet?historically.
I digress?
Without clear understanding as to what motivated me to do so, I grabbed a hand full of poster board and started pacing up and down the sidewalk. I was furthest away from the entrance, with SammieGirl directly at the entrance. Mike Sherman covered the other side of the entrance. Our friend with the camera was furthest way from his side of the entrance.
What struck me first was how many people looked to read the signs. Virtually everyone slowed down (hopefully attempting not to run us over) and made an effort to read the signs.
I am a pretty quite guy, unless I really know someone. I am most comfortable in the background. I was/am quite content just walking, listening, and observing. So I was shocked when from somewhere deep within came a bellowing rant.
The target of my ?rant? was a group of three vehicles of people parking and making ready for the big shindig. I clearly had their attention. I don?t recall the words I used, but I remember my mind switching from one mode to another. From hostile hollering, to direction (that?s only way I can describe it). I felt that they were listening intently to what ever it was that I was saying. Eventually they made their way towards the entrance, where SammieGirl was waiting, but followed them, continuing my ?rant?, knowing I was in that ?ZONE? (like athletes talk about when they are on the top of their game).
One of the party of that group began to approach me. He was walking directly towards me. I was still focused on his crowd of friends. He came right up to me, w/out ?getting in my face? and asked me to ?stop hollering and talk to me?.
I was stunned, well because he wanted to hear in a civilized manner, what all the hub-bub was about and secondly because I thought I recognized him?perhaps from last year.
I was surprised how I was able to ratchet down my tone and volume so quickly?so not to look like a complete idiot. And the words flowed like water?although I don?t recall what I said. I know Mike and SammieGirl had my back, which was reassuring. They clearly were the strong voices of the night, no doubt! But the whole time I spoke with him, I simply left the idea that I saw him last year and went with it. I do remember him saying ?thank you?I knew it, I never trusted the guy.?
As I write these past few paragraphs about the guy who approached me, even though it was congenial, almost pleasant. I got a flash?George Ross, it looked exactly like George Ross. But what would George Ross have to do with Mel Sembler and the Museum shindig? Why would he be there? Why wouldn?t he be there? Shit. Mike, Sammie? you guys where there. Did he walk right under our noses? Fuck!!!
One Tampa representative of law enforcement was with us from the very beginning. But it was not for long. A second pulled up aside him in the adjacent parking lot. They spoke for a few minutes, and then one pulled out across the street and went to the golf course?s buildings (I thought to take a leak or something). Apparently the management of the golf course had called their tow truck service, to have our vehicles removed.
This was the first message relayed to me by this officer. We quickly parked our cars in a neighboring apartment complex. We were back on the line in no time.
On my return I met with a golfer from a group of golfers across the street from the venue. He also wanted to know what all the hubbub was about. To be honest, I expected him to lash out at me. I mean after all, they were finishing up the 18th hole I guess, and well?.Sammie and Mike made a lot of noise, so I kinda expected the worst. I had seen him and his cronies on their cell phones, just kinda added to my suspicious state anyway. But if he was pissed, he sure did a good job at concealing it. We spoke for maybe 15 minutes. He asked all kinda questions, listened to the answers. He seemed real interested in the concept of warehousing children or I think he said ?farming them out??I really got the idea he knew what I was talking about and saw the question of ?ok, now what?. We both agreed that at times children/adolescents are in need of help?clearly Mel Semblers effort/methods didn?t work (he was impressed that I was actually there 27 years ago and that same program ideation/replications are happening at the state and national levels).
The same officer that informed me of the impending removal of our vehicles soon approached us and waited for the golfer and I to finish our conversation, which was cool?I mean I knew it wasn?t gonna get ugly. He began to explain the difference between protesting, expressing our opinions and disturbing the peace. It was as if I was the ?go to guy? when it came to the communications. Too much pressure, oy! After all, I was holding?well not really holding, a tree was holding?but still?anyway, he explained that his supervisor was in route to ?evaluate the situation? and ?maybe a write up or someone goes to jail?---like I said, Too much Pressure. He further explained the ?fine line? tween protesting and disturbing the peace?I got the point. Dutifully, I went to everyone and explained the situation. We slowly began our walk back to the apartment complex. Ranting all the way.
Was it a success?
In terms of numbers?total of four (4)
I am not convinced that the few numbers mean that questions wont be looming in many peoples minds, that questions wont be asked. A lot of people looked at the signs, I tried to thank everyone for taking the time to look. Groups of people stood on the pavilions decking (whatever?its wrap around porch) watching us and chatting amongst themselves. People approached everyone there (on our side). Everyone had a chance to talk to guests of the event.
Was it a success?
Personally yeah, I think so. It showed me once again and helps reaffirm my faith in mankind?People genuinely wanted to hear what we had to say and were shocked by what we are so often calloused to, as survivors. Sounds sick I know, but I kinda take for granted what happened to me personally, in Straight. I sometimes forget people have no idea what I am talking about and so educating them is required. I didn?t get the response I somehow expected from people. The ones who really wanted to learn were kind, respectful, patient and compassionate people who understood/agreed with our efforts.
Was it successful?
I would do it again next year, no doubt.
Was it successful?
I strongly sense we were heard and seen, which was the objective after all. The 45-minute (or so) procession of quests drove up in high dollar vehicles. Of all the vehicles that arrived two (2) were black stretch models of limousines, one of which left immediately after dropping of their cargo. I assume the one that remained was for Sembler and party. After all, I can?t see him driving up in a ford pinto station wagon.
Whelp houshold, familly and sunday obligations require that I wrap it up. If ya got this far, reading the post. Thank you!
Namaste
[ This Message was edited by: Woof-a-Doof on 2006-02-28 14:57 ]
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On 2006-02-26 06:32:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:
"Be forewarned?this is a long post
5 pm I arrived directly across from the pavilion and parked facing the establishment...so not to miss anything. I sat quietly, remembering last years event...seemed colder last year...seemed darker. I made a quick phone call to verify the address (would have hated to have been at the wrong place). It was confirmed...I was at the right place.
Members of the catering staff and the orchestra were arriving. Lil children were running around, all dressed up, thier parents talking with each other...nice.
While sitting there I began to question and evaluate why I was there...Moral support...yeah, thats it Moral Support, I was going to see people that I saw last year and perhaps folks I went thru the program with. So yeah, I was excited while I sat there contemplating the course of the evening and enjoying the steady westerly winds. I was comfortable with my role as a Moral Supporter.
As I blankly gazed across the street I saw Mike Sherman walking across the street with a handful of flyers in one hand and a cell phone pressed against his head with the other hand...whew, I wasn't the only one there from our camp. Once he safely crossed the street I blew my horn and waved.
We shook hands and embraced. Mike and I endured Straight together. I hadn't spoken to him in some 27 years.... well except last year at the same venue and a few times bantering back and forth here on fornits.
Seemingly we were about to get a late start, but Mike quickly informed me that "we have already been asked to leave". WHAT? I mean I was only 30 minutes late, how could that have happened so quickly. What could have upset them so much that they had already asked Mike and company to leave.
Enter Samantha (Sammiegirl) Monroe...now, I wont' and can't say that she was the reason the Ala Carte Pavilion asked us to leave...but I can imagine a few eye brows were raised. She certainly got my attention.
While I was shaking Mikes hand and going thru first moment pleasantries here comes a guy with a video camera aimed at Mike and I. Oh great, simply wonderful. It's not that I don?t like cameras, I do. But I am more accustomed to being on the other side of the lens. Then my more paranoid nature took over and I envisioned the film being reviewed by guys in dark suits and a memorandum being passed out with my name, my vital statistics, including military history. But then the calming effect of the botanicals I had inhaled soothed my fleeting thoughts.
Mike and I agreed that we should take a ride thru the surrounding neighborhood. We both wanted to "catch up" on what had gone down in the past quarter century as well as since last we saw each other a year ago. While driving off, a quick look in the rear view window showed a COP car and Sammie in the middle of the road...of course our guy with the camera was within feet of the action. It was a quick debate...stop and turn around or keep going...We agreed it would not be a good idea to drive up on them with a freshly lit hooter hanging from our lips.
Upon our return to the designated parking space, Mike quickly got a group of signs out of his vehicle and looked me in the eye and said, "Lets get out there and start holding up the signs"...But Mike...I didnt come here to actually protest, I am here for Moral Support, I came here because I wanted to support the people. But simple mathematics showed only three (3) would be protesters. As Mike pulled the signs and flyers out of his vehicle, I counted 10+ signs. They would need more than 3 people to help carry them. Mike told me to do as much as I felt comfortable with.
Internal debate quickly ensued..."I am not an activist", "I am not a protester", "I am here for the people". Then other thoughts flooded my attention, "I have always wanted to say publicly how Straight sucked", "I have always wanted people to re-consider the merits of the Tough Love bullshit", "I always wanted people to look at 'treatment' in the long term...that is 25 years after the fact.", "I have always wanted people to know about the atrocities under the guise of ?treatment??
Well, this was my chance to say something. But what about the ?holocaust? and the comparison of Straight Inc the holocaust, what about calling Straight a Hate Group. I don?t know how to answer those strong statements. I see the irony of Mel Sembler a president of the board of the Holocaust Museum, I thought I could hold my own there, but calling Straight a Hate Group?To be honest, I haven?t fully wrapped my brain around that concept as of yet, at least in it?s entirety.
But I can say, one the with the utmost assurance, having a white sign with red lettering that says, ?Straight Inc. is a Hate Group? is a powerful attention getter.
Perhaps it?s the words ?Hate Group?in it?s self. I think the words have a huge impact in the minds of many. Especially since the time we began recognizing some crimes as ?Hate Motivated? Then consider our audience last night was largely of Jewish descent, arguably the most persecuted peoples of the planet?historically.
I digress?
Without clear understanding as to what motivated me to do so, I grabbed a hand full of poster board and started pacing up and down the sidewalk. I was furthest away from the entrance, with SammieGirl directly at the entrance. Mike Sherman covered the other side of the entrance. Our friend with the camera was furthest way from his side of the entrance.
What struck me first was how many people looked to read the signs. Virtually everyone slowed down (hopefully attempting not to run us over) and made an effort to read the signs.
I am a pretty quite guy, unless I really know someone. I am most comfortable in the background. I was/am quite content just walking, listening, and observing. So I was shocked when from somewhere deep within came a bellowing rant.
The target of my ?rant?was a group of three vehicles of people parking and making ready for the big shindig. I clearly had their attention. I don?t recall the words I used, but I remember my mind switching from one mode to another. From hostile hollering, to direction (that?s only way I can describe it). I felt that they were listening intently to what ever it was that I was saying. Eventually they made their way towards the entrance, where SammieGirl was waiting, but followed them, continuing my ?rant? knowing I was in that ?ZONE? (like athletes talk about when they are on the top of their game).
One of the party of that group began to approach me. He was walking directly towards me. I was still focused on his crowd of friends. He came right up to me, w/out ?getting in my face?and asked me to ?stop hollering and talk to me?
I was stunned, well because he wanted to hear in a civilized manner, what all the hub-bub was about and secondly because I thought I recognized him?perhaps from last year.
I was surprised how I was able to ratchet down my tone and volume so quickly?so not to look like a complete idiot. And the words flowed like water?although I don?t recall what I said. I know Mike and SammieGirl had my back, which was reassuring. They clearly were the strong voices of the night, no doubt! But the whole time I spoke with him, I simply left the idea that I saw him last year and went with it. I do remember him saying ?thank you?I knew it, I never trusted the guy.?
As I write these past few paragraphs about the guy who approached me, even though it was congenial, almost pleasant. I got a flash?George Ross, it looked exactly like George Ross. But what would George Ross have to do with Mel Sembler and the Museum shindig? Why would he be there? Why wouldn?t he be there? Shit. Mike, Sammie?you guys where there. Did he walk right under our noses? Fuck!!!
One Tampa representative of law enforcement was with us from the very beginning. But it was not for long. A second pulled up aside him in the adjacent parking lot. They spoke for a few minutes, and then one pulled out across the street and went to the golf course?s buildings (I thought to take a leak or something). Apparently the management of the golf course had called their tow truck service, to have our vehicles removed.
This was the first message relayed to me by this officer. We quickly parked our cars in a neighboring apartment complex. We were back on the line in no time.
On my return I met with a golfer from a group of golfers across the street from the venue. He also wanted to know what all the hubbub was about. To be honest, I expected him to lash out at me. I mean after all, they were finishing up the 18th hole I guess, and well?Sammie and Mike made a lot of noise, so I kinda expected the worst. I had seen him and his cronies on their cell phones, just kinda added to my suspicious state anyway. But if he was pissed, he sure did a good job at concealing it. We spoke for maybe 15 minutes. He asked all kinda questions, listened to the answers. He seemed real interested in the concept of warehousing children or I think he said ?farming them out??I really got the idea he knew what I was talking about and saw the question of ?ok, now what? We both agreed that at times children/adolescents are in need of help?clearly Mel Semblers effort/methods didn?t work (he was impressed that I was actually there 27 years ago and that same program ideation/replications are happening at the state and national levels).
The same officer that informed me of the impending removal of our vehicles soon approached us and waited for the golfer and I to finish our conversation, which was cool?I mean I knew it wasn?t gonna get ugly. He began to explain the difference between protesting, expressing our opinions and disturbing the peace. It was as if I was the ?go to guy?when it came to the communications. Too much pressure, oy! After all, I was holding?well not really holding, a tree was holding?but still?anyway, he explained that his supervisor was in route to ?evaluate the situation?and ?maybe a write up or someone goes to jail?--like I said, Too much Pressure. He further explained the ?fine line?tween protesting and disturbing the peace?I got the point. Dutifully, I went to everyone and explained the situation. We slowly began our walk back to the apartment complex. Ranting all the way.
Was it a success?
In terms of numbers?total of four (4)
I am not convinced that the few numbers mean that questions wont be looming in many peoples minds, that questions wont be asked. A lot of people looked at the signs, I tried to thank everyone for taking the time to look. Groups of people stood on the pavilions decking (whatever?its wrap around porch) watching us and chatting amongst themselves. People approached everyone there (on our side). Everyone had a chance to talk to guests of the event.
Was it a success?
Personally yeah, I think so. It showed me once again and helps reaffirm my faith in mankind?People genuinely wanted to hear what we had to say and were shocked by what we are so often calloused to, as survivors. Sounds sick I know, but I kinda take for granted what happened to me personally, in Straight. I sometimes forget people have no idea what I am talking about and so educating them is required. I didn?t get the response I somehow expected from people. The ones who really wanted to learn were kind, respectful, patient and compassionate people who understood/agreed with our efforts.
Was it successful?
I would do it again next year, no doubt.
Was it successful?
I strongly sense we were heard and seen, which was the objective after all. The 45-minute (or so) procession of quests drove up in high dollar vehicles. Of all the vehicles that arrived two (2) were black stretch models of limousines, one of which left immediately after dropping of their cargo. I assume the one that remained was for Sembler and party. After all, I can?t see him driving up in a ford pinto station wagon.
Whelp houshold, familly and sunday obligations require that I wrap it up. If ya got this far, reading the post. Thank you!
Namaste
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As a regular misbehaver on this board,and regardless of my despising Mike 7stepper Sherman and his lying cronies,I am ashamed of myself for not being there to support you guys.My living in China now is no good excuse for missing this protest.If I could have made it there to add another 20%,I would have.
I once went to local officials in Sarasota Florida to report the abuses I suffered while being held against my will at The L.I.F.E. Program in Sarasota,and they instructed me to "contact The Holocost Museum for help"!
I cant believe only 4 people showed up for this protest.
I promise to you.if I am in The USA in the future while you are protesting,I WILL ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE,even if I have to follow KillPickle and SlimyGirl!
Again,by being in The Peoples Republic Of China is the ONLY reason I could not attend,and I promise I will attend and support you ALL next time you hold a picket or protest in Florida.
Regards,
Im Not Animals
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Oh, shut the fuck up about living in China already. Everyone knows the real reason you don't go, and it is because you continually burn bridges and no one fucking can stand you anymore.
Guys, I have been there. I was at the "original" SAFE protest with Ginger, Ken, Kathy, Wes, Kim and others. I can attest to the feeling of elation to finally speak out against this fiasco.
I am sorry I cannot contribute to these protests in a direct way. Great stuff!
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I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China.
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We know you're not Animals, Chinaboy... You're Gilligan! :lol:
At any rate, you guys rock. I was hoping to be able to come up there and shake your hands, but unfortunately I've just started working on my next layoff.
I am happy to hear though that people were actually stopping to talk and read the signs. My fear was that people would just see a bunch of people holding signs in front of the museum and assuming they were protesting its existence. Glad to know that's not the case.
Maybe next year, guys! My initial response was to sue her for defamation of character, but then I realized that I had no character.
-- Charles Barkley, on hearing Tonya Harding proclaim herself "the Charles Barkley of figure skating"
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I watched the Tampa Bay news last night (2 different ones) thinking something MIGHT be on. Nothing. Now I see why. 4 PEOPLE? What a joke.
It's always next year; it will be bigger and better next year. Right. Hell, even LOCALS didn't attend. Where was Wes?
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Where was Wes? Wes was probably at home in Virginia.
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Where's the video?
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cops, rantings, signs, flyers ---- I want to see this promised video too!
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On 2006-02-26 07:21:00, GregFL wrote:
"Oh, shut the fuck up about living in China already. Everyone knows the real reason you don't go, and it is because you continually burn bridges and no one fucking can stand you anymore.
Guys, I have been there. I was at the "original" SAFE protest with Ginger, Ken, Kathy, Wes, Kim and others. I can attest to the feeling of elation to finally speak out against this fiasco.
I am sorry I cannot contribute to these protests in a direct way. Great stuff!"
The fact is that I am in China,and have been for a long time.If I were not in China I would have participated in the Protest.
What's your excuse for not being there?Hmmm?
The only reason I have "burned bridges" as you say is because I have met creeps like you in person,and I must burn bridges to keep a distance between people like you and myself.
You are a liar,and a pussy.
Come on,whats YOUR excuse for NOT being at the protest to support your friends Mike and Sammie?
You know who I am,and I know who you are,so if you want to go ahead and mention my name here,you will see what will happen to you.Go ahead.I dare you.It may be several months before I return home from China,but I have a perfect memory and I will come and have a little talk with you in person,Fuck Face.
Its assholes like you who discourage people from coming to these protests,for fear that you will reveal their private informations and exploit them for your own gains.
I know you know who I am,so go ahead,I dare you,you fucking asswipe!
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On 2006-02-26 07:46:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China."
Thank you.
I never have anything bad to say about these events.Its just that I have met Greg and Sherman,and about 24 hours after I met them they revealed my personal informations right here on this board.Its because of self serving assholes like them that more people dont participate in the protests.
I do live in China,but thats no great feat.
I would go to these protests EVEN IF it meant I had to be seen in public with slime ball like Greg and Sherman.
Ill tell you another thing,they know my name and they also know if they ever mention it here again that I will arrive to their front fucking door.They have "burned so many bridges" that they actually keep guns for protection.
You see,I dont need any gun.Ill say right here that Ill burn the fucking houses of all their family members if the ever cross me again.
These sick fuckers published a toll free 1-800 number on Fagers website,knowing that people seeking help would call that number.Well,the only thing that happens when you call that number is people start exploiting you and dont even have the respect to keep your personal informations private,and if you ever post anything they dont agree with,they post your full name here.They put my name here within 24 hours of my meeting with them.
Like I said before,if you ever cross me again I will make you wish that you were never born!Go ahead,I DARE YOU!
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On 2006-02-26 08:42:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"We know you're not Animals, Chinaboy... You're Gilligan! :lol:
At any rate, you guys rock. I was hoping to be able to come up there and shake your hands, but unfortunately I've just started working on my next layoff.
I am happy to hear though that people were actually stopping to talk and read the signs. My fear was that people would just see a bunch of people holding signs in front of the museum and assuming they were protesting its existence. Glad to know that's not the case.
Maybe next year, guys! My initial response was to sue her for defamation of character, but then I realized that I had no character.
-- Charles Barkley, on hearing Tonya Harding proclaim herself "the Charles Barkley of figure skating"
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You are a loser too.For someone who is such a famous "contributor" here,you have given NO GOOD EXCUSE why you did not attend!
You definately DONT "Rock".
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On 2006-02-26 09:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
" I watched the Tampa Bay news last night (2 different ones) thinking something MIGHT be on. Nothing. Now I see why. 4 PEOPLE? What a joke.
It's always next year; it will be bigger and better next year. Right. Hell, even LOCALS didn't attend. Where was Wes?"
Its because NOBODY wants to be seen in public standing next to child abusers like Mike Sherman.It would be OK if there were 15 or 20 more people to blend in with,or if child abusers like Mike Sherman would not attend all together,but if you went to the protest,then it would have been YOU standing next to an asshole like Mike Sherman,even his Butt Buddie Greg refused to attend.
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On 2006-02-26 13:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Where was Wes? Wes was probably at home in Virginia. "
Masturbating in to Greg's mouth.Too busy for both of them too attend.
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It's a good thing I never hit Greg in the mouth. I would have gotten cum on my hand and that's just nasty.
I'm not getting involved with yalls bullshit. Just taking the oppertunity to bash Greg cause he's a fucking prick. ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: [ This Message was edited by: 6Reagan Youth9 on 2006-02-26 23:47 ]
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On 2006-02-26 22:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 07:46:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China."
Thank you.
I never have anything bad to say about these events.Its just that I have met Greg and Sherman,and about 24 hours after I met them they revealed my personal informations right here on this board.Its because of self serving assholes like them that more people dont participate in the protests.
I do live in China,but thats no great feat.
I would go to these protests EVEN IF it meant I had to be seen in public with slime ball like Greg and Sherman.
Ill tell you another thing,they know my name and they also know if they ever mention it here again that I will arrive to their front fucking door.They have "burned so many bridges" that they actually keep guns for protection.
You see,I dont need any gun.Ill say right here that Ill burn the fucking houses of all their family members if the ever cross me again.
These sick fuckers published a toll free 1-800 number on Fagers website,knowing that people seeking help would call that number.Well,the only thing that happens when you call that number is people start exploiting you and dont even have the respect to keep your personal informations private,and if you ever post anything they dont agree with,they post your full name here.They put my name here within 24 hours of my meeting with them.
Like I said before,if you ever cross me again I will make you wish that you were never born!Go ahead,I DARE YOU!"
Everybody here knows GregFL is a creep and not to be trusted.You would have to be living ,I dont know,somewhere in China perhaps,not to know about Greg's antics.Im sorry it had to happen to you too.
One day Greg will get whats coming to him.Mark my words. :tup:
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i didn't know about it soon enough to go....i want to apoligise to those that went for my lack of support....you all may or may not know me,but i honestly feel bad i wasn't there! after all st.pete is where it all was for me too!i'm a good public speaker{i should be,i'm the front man of my band}...i don't know the circumstances of the
bad vibes i am reading amongst you all,but i really wish we,as a whole,could get past it all!
i've been in your situation right here on fornits!just look on the posting "stoughton..question for staff/oldcomers"....if you think they don't read these sites,you're wrong! i believe anybody that was smart enough to "conn" a whole generation worth of kids parents into putting us into straight,taking a crap load of our families money
away from us,ripping our families apart and most importantly,stripping our dignity,ego's and personalities away from us,is definatly watching,monitoring us and laughing at our lack of unity! it's thier greatest stregnth! as long as we're fighting amongst ourselves,they've got us contained!believe me,i know about having bad blood between someone in the program!the person i'm talking about was "conned" into helping the staff up in boston ruin my life!shit,he didn't know what he was helping them do.....but non the less he helped them!they followed me where ever i went,got me arrested 23+ times,ruined a relationship with the only lady i ever really loved etc etc......he didn't know they did this shit,but when he did,he came around and apoligised to me and we talked on the phone for 3-4 hours.....whether you all want to admit it,we are all connected...for better or worse! i choose for better....that place made us bitter at each other,our families,and most importantly at ourselves! i won't let them ruin anymore of my life! they can't and won't live rent free in my head anymore! i hope you all can write privatly
hash out what I want you to and find some kind of common ground! most importantly,there's brothers and sisters out there still struggling with what happened to thier lives in that fucked up place.....if all they see is a bunch of "huckle bucks" calling each other names and the such,do you think they'll want to post on here? like i said on another post,i'm putting up a concert in june or july,i'd love eveyone to go! i know its in pennsylvania,but wtf?...i traveled much further for a dead show......not bashing anyone here....just thought i'd throw my .02 in also...peace.....hippie
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basically i'm saying{and i do believe its this easy} if you did someone wrong,admit it to them!
i harbored bad feeling towards this person for 20 yrs man....if i can do it so can you! i'm just tired of seeing them win! they have more money,power and clout than we do and they use that to thier advantage....mike,greg and china dude,undo what you've done.fix what you can.don't let them win.....hippie{by the way mike,thanks for being there for all of us! you too sammie and of course the dude who started this posting....}
{by the way,i'm not playing counselor,i'm just tired of us all being angry at each other}peace
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On 2006-02-26 07:21:00, GregFL wrote:
"Oh, shut the fuck up about living in China already. Everyone knows the real reason you don't go, and it is because you continually burn bridges and no one fucking can stand you anymore.
Guys, I have been there. I was at the "original" SAFE protest with Ginger, Ken, Kathy, Wes, Kim and others. I can attest to the feeling of elation to finally speak out against this fiasco.
I am sorry I cannot contribute to these protests in a direct way. Great stuff!"
ProStraightling quoted here.
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On 2006-02-27 03:05:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"basically i'm saying{and i do believe its this easy} if you did someone wrong,admit it to them!
i harbored bad feeling towards this person for 20 yrs man....if i can do it so can you! i'm just tired of seeing them win! they have more money,power and clout than we do and they use that to thier advantage....mike,greg and china dude,undo what you've done.fix what you can.don't let them win.....hippie{by the way mike,thanks for being there for all of us! you too sammie and of course the dude who started this posting....}
{by the way,i'm not playing counselor,i'm just tired of us all being angry at each other}peace"
Yes,you are right,but the first day I contacted Sherman and his cronies,and the second day they were publishing my name and personal informations here,because I was in a rival program and they did not like what I was writing here.The day Sherman 7stepper goes to the police department and admits the abuse he inflicted on young children will be the day I "make amends".I dont care how many protests he attends.These guys are in it for themselves and only use others if they can to gain something for themselves.
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On 2006-02-27 05:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
because I was in a rival program and they did not like what I was writing here.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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That would be Straight Lite, no? ::bwahaha2::
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On 2006-02-26 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 07:21:00, GregFL wrote:
"Oh, shut the fuck up about living in China already. Everyone knows the real reason you don't go, and it is because you continually burn bridges and no one fucking can stand you anymore.
Guys, I have been there. I was at the "original" SAFE protest with Ginger, Ken, Kathy, Wes, Kim and others. I can attest to the feeling of elation to finally speak out against this fiasco.
I am sorry I cannot contribute to these protests in a direct way. Great stuff!"
The fact is that I am in China,and have been for a long time.If I were not in China I would have participated in the Protest.
What's your excuse for not being there?Hmmm?
The only reason I have "burned bridges" as you say is because I have met creeps like you in person,and I must burn bridges to keep a distance between people like you and myself.
You are a liar,and a pussy.
Come on,whats YOUR excuse for NOT being at the protest to support your friends Mike and Sammie?
You know who I am,and I know who you are,so if you want to go ahead and mention my name here,you will see what will happen to you.Go ahead.I dare you.It may be several months before I return home from China,but I have a perfect memory and I will come and have a little talk with you in person,Fuck Face.
Its assholes like you who discourage people from coming to these protests,for fear that you will reveal their private informations and exploit them for your own gains.
I know you know who I am,so go ahead,I dare you,you fucking asswipe!"
Well if you are looking to beat the shit out of Greg,good luck.He's probably hiding out in a Youth Hostel somewhere in Italy posting his rants from the free internet kiosk in the Foreign Tourist Information Center.
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On 2006-02-27 03:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
ProStraightling quoted here."
Paranoid, childish, delusional psychophant quoted here. :lol:
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On 2006-02-27 06:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That would be Straight Lite, no? ::bwahaha2:: "
Yup.Somthing like that.The post is still here somewhere if you care to read it.
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sure, post it.
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On 2006-02-27 06:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
Yup.Somthing like that.The post is still here somewhere if you care to read it."
Yes, let's see what the big bad pro-Straight meanie said about you. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-02-27 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 07:21:00, GregFL wrote:
"Oh, shut the fuck up about living in China already. Everyone knows the real reason you don't go, and it is because you continually burn bridges and no one fucking can stand you anymore.
Guys, I have been there. I was at the "original" SAFE protest with Ginger, Ken, Kathy, Wes, Kim and others. I can attest to the feeling of elation to finally speak out against this fiasco.
I am sorry I cannot contribute to these protests in a direct way. Great stuff!"
The fact is that I am in China,and have been for a long time.If I were not in China I would have participated in the Protest.
What's your excuse for not being there?Hmmm?
The only reason I have "burned bridges" as you say is because I have met creeps like you in person,and I must burn bridges to keep a distance between people like you and myself.
You are a liar,and a pussy.
Come on,whats YOUR excuse for NOT being at the protest to support your friends Mike and Sammie?
You know who I am,and I know who you are,so if you want to go ahead and mention my name here,you will see what will happen to you.Go ahead.I dare you.It may be several months before I return home from China,but I have a perfect memory and I will come and have a little talk with you in person,Fuck Face.
Its assholes like you who discourage people from coming to these protests,for fear that you will reveal their private informations and exploit them for your own gains.
I know you know who I am,so go ahead,I dare you,you fucking asswipe!"
Well if you are looking to beat the shit out of Greg,good luck.He's probably hiding out in a Youth Hostel somewhere in Italy posting his rants from the free internet kiosk in the Foreign Tourist Information Center."
Yes.I heard he was still there in Italy planning to plant a bomb under Mel Semblers car. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-02-27 06:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
Yup.Somthing like that.The post is still here somewhere if you care to read it."
You mean it's still here? I thought you said that Ginger was in on this with him and that she deleted those posts to cover up for him. :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-02-27 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 07:21:00, GregFL wrote:
"Oh, shut the fuck up about living in China already. Everyone knows the real reason you don't go, and it is because you continually burn bridges and no one fucking can stand you anymore.
Guys, I have been there. I was at the "original" SAFE protest with Ginger, Ken, Kathy, Wes, Kim and others. I can attest to the feeling of elation to finally speak out against this fiasco.
I am sorry I cannot contribute to these protests in a direct way. Great stuff!"
The fact is that I am in China,and have been for a long time.If I were not in China I would have participated in the Protest.
What's your excuse for not being there?Hmmm?
The only reason I have "burned bridges" as you say is because I have met creeps like you in person,and I must burn bridges to keep a distance between people like you and myself.
You are a liar,and a pussy.
Come on,whats YOUR excuse for NOT being at the protest to support your friends Mike and Sammie?
You know who I am,and I know who you are,so if you want to go ahead and mention my name here,you will see what will happen to you.Go ahead.I dare you.It may be several months before I return home from China,but I have a perfect memory and I will come and have a little talk with you in person,Fuck Face.
Its assholes like you who discourage people from coming to these protests,for fear that you will reveal their private informations and exploit them for your own gains.
I know you know who I am,so go ahead,I dare you,you fucking asswipe!"
Well if you are looking to beat the shit out of Greg,good luck.He's probably hiding out in a Youth Hostel somewhere in Italy posting his rants from the free internet kiosk in the Foreign Tourist Information Center."
Is that what you call an "Italian Job"?
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Yes,you are right,but the first day I contacted Sherman and his cronies,and the second day they were publishing my name and personal informations here,because I was in a rival program and they did not like what I was writing here.The day Sherman 7stepper goes to the police department and admits the abuse he inflicted on young children will be the day I "make amends".I dont care how many protests he attends.These guys are in it for themselves and only use others if they can to gain something for themselves.
sometimes you've got to take the "high" road! thats what i did!what happened to you was bullshit
they shouldn't have done that....geez man!we're all in this together!a program is a fucking program! i used to think that all the str8lings that went in after the lawsuites were flying,had it easier than i did....to some degree that might be true,but str8 is str8,what they got sucked to them....looking at it now,it would've still sucked to me too....i have the unfortunate benifit of being able to compare the 2{before and after the lawsuites}....they didn't.....so to them it was the same sucky place it was for me!..
thats my out take on it! i'm glad that they didn't get st pete'd!i wish there weren't so many that did! oh well, i hope i can be your friend.
please know that i just care a lot about all of us!..ok? cool...hip
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On 2006-02-27 06:29:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
what happened to you was bullshit
they shouldn't have done that....geez man!
You're assuming that is what actually happened. It's not.
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On 2006-02-27 06:29:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"Yes,you are right,but the first day I contacted Sherman and his cronies,and the second day they were publishing my name and personal informations here,because I was in a rival program and they did not like what I was writing here.The day Sherman 7stepper goes to the police department and admits the abuse he inflicted on young children will be the day I "make amends".I dont care how many protests he attends.These guys are in it for themselves and only use others if they can to gain something for themselves.
sometimes you've got to take the "high" road! thats what i did!what happened to you was bullshit
they shouldn't have done that....geez man!we're all in this together!a program is a fucking program! i used to think that all the str8lings that went in after the lawsuites were flying,had it easier than i did....to some degree that might be true,but str8 is str8,what they got sucked to them....looking at it now,it would've still sucked to me too....i have the unfortunate benifit of being able to compare the 2{before and after the lawsuites}....they didn't.....so to them it was the same sucky place it was for me!..
thats my out take on it! i'm glad that they didn't get st pete'd!i wish there weren't so many that did! oh well, i hope i can be your friend.
please know that i just care a lot about all of us!..ok? cool...hip"
I never made it off of 1st phase,but some people made it to 7stepper/staff by pounding on younger kids like me.
I got out,but only after taking several beatings from 5th phasers and 7stepping scum/staff members and Miss Pete looking on and encouraging it.
In an open meeting friday night,when everyone would stand up and applaud some kid for "coming home",they would take the opportunity while shielded from the families view by the standing crowd,to pound the shit out of me,then when everybody sat dow the only thing the audience could see was me being restrained and dragged from the room,like I was the trouble maker.
I even got my face bashed against the stucco wall in the corridore my Miss Pete,then dragged in to an intake room for further beating by these assholes.
These assholes who made it to "the top",and continue to this day behaving the same way,and now publish my personal informations here, dont deserve to breathe the fresh air,until they report themselves to the police and confess.I dont need a conviction,but Id sure like to see a copy of the confession!
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On 2006-02-27 06:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 06:29:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
what happened to you was bullshit
they shouldn't have done that....geez man!
You're assuming that is what actually happened. It's not.
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Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler.
Sounds like their handy work.
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Rock on hippie. Your a cool fellow, but I am Grateful that Jerry's Dead. :tup:
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On 2006-02-26 06:32:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:
"Be forewarned?this is a long post
5 pm I arrived directly across from the pavilion and parked facing the establishment...so not to miss anything. I sat quietly, remembering last years event...seemed colder last year...seemed darker. I made a quick phone call to verify the address (would have hated to have been at the wrong place). It was confirmed...I was at the right place.
Members of the catering staff and the orchestra were arriving. Lil children were running around, all dressed up, thier parents talking with each other...nice.
While sitting there I began to question and evaluate why I was there...Moral support...yeah, thats it Moral Support, I was going to see people that I saw last year and perhaps folks I went thru the program with. So yeah, I was excited while I sat there contemplating the course of the evening and enjoying the steady westerly winds. I was comfortable with my role as a Moral Supporter.
As I blankly gazed across the street I saw Mike Sherman walking across the street with a handful of flyers in one hand and a cell phone pressed against his head with the other hand...whew, I wasn't the only one there from our camp. Once he safely crossed the street I blew my horn and waved.
We shook hands and embraced. Mike and I endured Straight together. I hadn't spoken to him in some 27 years.... well except last year at the same venue and a few times bantering back and forth here on fornits.
Seemingly we were about to get a late start, but Mike quickly informed me that "we have already been asked to leave". WHAT? I mean I was only 30 minutes late, how could that have happened so quickly. What could have upset them so much that they had already asked Mike and company to leave.
Enter Samantha (Sammiegirl) Monroe...now, I wont' and can't say that she was the reason the Ala Carte Pavilion asked us to leave...but I can imagine a few eye brows were raised. She certainly got my attention.
While I was shaking Mikes hand and going thru first moment pleasantries here comes a guy with a video camera aimed at Mike and I. Oh great, simply wonderful. It's not that I don?t like cameras, I do. But I am more accustomed to being on the other side of the lens. Then my more paranoid nature took over and I envisioned the film being reviewed by guys in dark suits and a memorandum being passed out with my name, my vital statistics, including military history. But then the calming effect of the botanicals I had inhaled soothed my fleeting thoughts.
Mike and I agreed that we should take a ride thru the surrounding neighborhood. We both wanted to "catch up" on what had gone down in the past quarter century as well as since last we saw each other a year ago. While driving off, a quick look in the rear view window showed a COP car and Sammie in the middle of the road...of course our guy with the camera was within feet of the action. It was a quick debate...stop and turn around or keep going...We agreed it would not be a good idea to drive up on them with a freshly lit hooter hanging from our lips.
Upon our return to the designated parking space, Mike quickly got a group of signs out of his vehicle and looked me in the eye and said, "Lets get out there and start holding up the signs"...But Mike...I didnt come here to actually protest, I am here for Moral Support, I came here because I wanted to support the people. But simple mathematics showed only three (3) would be protesters. As Mike pulled the signs and flyers out of his vehicle, I counted 10+ signs. They would need more than 3 people to help carry them. Mike told me to do as much as I felt comfortable with.
Internal debate quickly ensued..."I am not an activist", "I am not a protester", "I am here for the people". Then other thoughts flooded my attention, "I have always wanted to say publicly how Straight sucked", "I have always wanted people to re-consider the merits of the Tough Love bullshit", "I always wanted people to look at 'treatment' in the long term...that is 25 years after the fact.", "I have always wanted people to know about the atrocities under the guise of ?treatment??
Well, this was my chance to say something. But what about the ?holocaust?, and the comparison of Straight Inc the holocaust, what about calling Straight a Hate Group. I don?t know how to answer those strong statements. I see the irony of Mel Sembler a president of the board of the Holocaust Museum, I thought I could hold my own there, but calling Straight a Hate Group?To be honest, I haven?t fully wrapped my brain around that concept as of yet, at least in it?s entirety.
But I can say, one the with the utmost assurance, having a white sign with red lettering that says, ?Straight Inc. is a Hate Group? is a powerful attention getter.
Perhaps it?s the words ?Hate Group? in it?s self. I think the words have a huge impact in the minds of many. Especially since the time we began recognizing some crimes as ?Hate Motivated?. Then consider our audience last night was largely of Jewish descent, arguably the most persecuted peoples of the planet?historically.
I digress?
Without clear understanding as to what motivated me to do so, I grabbed a hand full of poster board and started pacing up and down the sidewalk. I was furthest away from the entrance, with SammieGirl directly at the entrance. Mike Sherman covered the other side of the entrance. Our friend with the camera was furthest way from his side of the entrance.
What struck me first was how many people looked to read the signs. Virtually everyone slowed down (hopefully attempting not to run us over) and made an effort to read the signs.
I am a pretty quite guy, unless I really know someone. I am most comfortable in the background. I was/am quite content just walking, listening, and observing. So I was shocked when from somewhere deep within came a bellowing rant.
The target of my ?rant? was a group of three vehicles of people parking and making ready for the big shindig. I clearly had their attention. I don?t recall the words I used, but I remember my mind switching from one mode to another. From hostile hollering, to direction (that?s only way I can describe it). I felt that they were listening intently to what ever it was that I was saying. Eventually they made their way towards the entrance, where SammieGirl was waiting, but followed them, continuing my ?rant?, knowing I was in that ?ZONE? (like athletes talk about when they are on the top of their game).
One of the party of that group began to approach me. He was walking directly towards me. I was still focused on his crowd of friends. He came right up to me, w/out ?getting in my face? and asked me to ?stop hollering and talk to me?.
I was stunned, well because he wanted to hear in a civilized manner, what all the hub-bub was about and secondly because I thought I recognized him?perhaps from last year.
I was surprised how I was able to ratchet down my tone and volume so quickly?so not to look like a complete idiot. And the words flowed like water?although I don?t recall what I said. I know Mike and SammieGirl had my back, which was reassuring. They clearly were the strong voices of the night, no doubt! But the whole time I spoke with him, I simply left the idea that I saw him last year and went with it. I do remember him saying ?thank you?I knew it, I never trusted the guy.?
As I write these past few paragraphs about the guy who approached me, even though it was congenial, almost pleasant. I got a flash?George Ross, it looked exactly like George Ross. But what would George Ross have to do with Mel Sembler and the Museum shindig? Why would he be there? Why wouldn?t he be there? Shit. Mike, Sammie? you guys where there. Did he walk right under our noses? Fuck!!!
One Tampa representative of law enforcement was with us from the very beginning. But it was not for long. A second pulled up aside him in the adjacent parking lot. They spoke for a few minutes, and then one pulled out across the street and went to the golf course?s buildings (I thought to take a leak or something). Apparently the management of the golf course had called their tow truck service, to have our vehicles removed.
This was the first message relayed to me by this officer. We quickly parked our cars in a neighboring apartment complex. We were back on the line in no time.
On my return I met with a golfer from a group of golfers across the street from the venue. He also wanted to know what all the hubbub was about. To be honest, I expected him to lash out at me. I mean after all, they were finishing up the 18th hole I guess, and well?.Sammie and Mike made a lot of noise, so I kinda expected the worst. I had seen him and his cronies on their cell phones, just kinda added to my suspicious state anyway. But if he was pissed, he sure did a good job at concealing it. We spoke for maybe 15 minutes. He asked all kinda questions, listened to the answers. He seemed real interested in the concept of warehousing children or I think he said ?farming them out??I really got the idea he knew what I was talking about and saw the question of ?ok, now what?. We both agreed that at times children/adolescents are in need of help?clearly Mel Semblers effort/methods didn?t work (he was impressed that I was actually there 27 years ago and that same program ideation/replications are happening at the state and national levels).
The same officer that informed me of the impending removal of our vehicles soon approached us and waited for the golfer and I to finish our conversation, which was cool?I mean I knew it wasn?t gonna get ugly. He began to explain the difference between protesting, expressing our opinions and disturbing the peace. It was as if I was the ?go to guy? when it came to the communications. Too much pressure, oy! After all, I was holding?well not really holding, a tree was holding?but still?anyway, he explained that his supervisor was in route to ?evaluate the situation? and ?maybe a write up or someone goes to jail?---like I said, Too much Pressure. He further explained the ?fine line? tween protesting and disturbing the peace?I got the point. Dutifully, I went to everyone and explained the situation. We slowly began our walk back to the apartment complex. Ranting all the way.
Was it a success?
In terms of numbers?total of four (4)
I am not convinced that the few numbers mean that questions wont be looming in many peoples minds, that questions wont be asked. A lot of people looked at the signs, I tried to thank everyone for taking the time to look. Groups of people stood on the pavilions decking (whatever?its wrap around porch) watching us and chatting amongst themselves. People approached everyone there (on our side). Everyone had a chance to talk to guests of the event.
Was it a success?
Personally yeah, I think so. It showed me once again and helps reaffirm my faith in mankind?People genuinely wanted to hear what we had to say and were shocked by what we are so often calloused to, as survivors. Sounds sick I know, but I kinda take for granted what happened to me personally, in Straight. I sometimes forget people have no idea what I am talking about and so educating them is required. I didn?t get the response I somehow expected from people. The ones who really wanted to learn were kind, respectful, patient and compassionate people who understood/agreed with our efforts.
Was it successful?
I would do it again next year, no doubt.
Was it successful?
I strongly sense we were heard and seen, which was the objective after all. The 45-minute (or so) procession of quests drove up in high dollar vehicles. Of all the vehicles that arrived two (2) were black stretch models of limousines, one of which left immediately after dropping of their cargo. I assume the one that remained was for Sembler and party. After all, I can?t see him driving up in a ford pinto station wagon.
Whelp houshold, familly and sunday obligations require that I wrap it up. If ya got this far, reading the post. Thank you!
Namaste
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Do we have any proof of any of this?
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Do we have any proof of any of this?
Proof of? See, there goes that reading comprehension thing right out the window again. Proof of? He said Thru my eyes That means.... This is a subjective account of the event, his own personal view with facts interjected. Troll.
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On 2006-02-27 09:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
Do we have any proof of any of this?"
You really are quite disturbed. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :lol:
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On 2006-02-27 09:03:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
"Rock on hippie. Your a cool fellow, but I am Grateful that Jerry's Dead. :tup:
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I personally learned a lot from the Grateful Dead, and Jerry Garcia. I learned to be more open minded (LSD helped). The music, and the atmospere they provided have been missed by many. It has not, and never will be the same without Jerry. He gave more to this world, then you ever will.
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Now that Jerry's gone, who will lead those hippys on??? ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both::
Don't worry. Someone will hold your hand and lead you.
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good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie
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To my anon friend in China, never attribute to malice that which can be easily explained by stupidity.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
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i had a bad "'gram" too{i hate that word"program"}
on my third day in that f-ing place,i sliced my hand wide open! my 3rd day there!.....that place sucked in every way shape and form! nothing about it was cool at all! i got "started over" on day 128 of my 5th phase!i should've finally "7 stepped",but nooooo,i had skoal on me in my belongings being "searched" in the area where they searched everything that left the building!
i followed all the procedures....had the nessesary
"approvals" for an 18 yr old to have in there{sr.staff and parents "permission"}.....but i was "F.O.S.".....holy %&^%*&^ !!!!.....you know S.O.P.{standard operating procedure}.....bend over hippie! bend over!.......good ol' miller gave it to me good that night!after what seemed like a million years,in open meeting review,i was dropped to 4th phase "refresher",the next day,i was started over!they spent most of the day on me.....i had to do everytrhing all over again!
i should've run away,but i was from virginia,didn't know my way around,saw what happened when ppl tried to get out or leave....
{read "why i never split from st.pete" posting}..
it'll explain why i didn't try and leave....i in no way had it good in str8,yes,i made other phases,but i believe in st.pete that was because i
was so far from home.....if you guys in that area,couldn't escape them very well....what were my chances? after attempting a "suiside" in there,
and seeing how my parents responded to it,i knew the only real way to get out of there for me was to finish! i knew my mom would've had me hunted down and put back in there! i was also on probation in str8 till i was 18 from virginia! honestly,i understand your anger....there's a couple i'm still mad at.....after dealing with
one that was on my "angry list",i've come to see that there's 3 kinds of angry from that place....
#1.mad at your parents/family
#2.mad at the others around you
#3.mad at paticular staff members!
the family one? thats personal and up to you how you deal with that one.
being mad at others around you for thier partisipation in the smearing of you....whatever kind of smears you got in there....most i believe
didn't do it for pleasure,they had to do it or it was the same for them too!that's how i remember the "kiss ass to whatever staff says" factor working on all of us! some did enjoy hurting the phasers.but over all you can find it in your heart to forgive a lot of the B.S. the group might have given you....not all,but you know what i mean.....
the last kind of immediate anger i feel in this three parts i just told you about,without a doubt in my head is the toughest one! some staff were really robots who had a lot of bull shit blown up thier ass about having "potential",being "special"
some staff member were unforgivably mean and cruel! to me its miller newton,jim sailor...well, you get the picture,.....thats how my therapist showed me how to channel my anger towards the f-ing place! anyhow,it helps me.....yeah,there were ppl i could've gone postal on in there,i just separate the anger in these columns so i can deal with it better....hip
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You left out the Beatles, Elvis and Metallica. Everything huh? Your not into top 40, your into top 10. You listen to whatever MTV and giant corp radio tell you to listen to. Maybe someday you'll hear a band that's not on the radio every 20 seconds with a billion album sales.
what do they call it? oxymorin I think. A bunch of fucking hippys claiming to be revolutionarys when their really just a bunch of sheep that follow. Put down the dope and go take a bath, and get a haircut ya loser.
oh and apperantly you never read the "Million Dollar Babies" album insert. That album was written and recorded by studio musicians. Alice Cooper was just a stage clown with a gimick. GG Allen would have raped him, pissed on him and then kicked him in the crowd to be eaten by cannibals.
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To the Anon's question of, "Do we have any proof of this?"
I saw a camera pointed at me, I saw the same camera pointed at the others and guests of the event.
Any proof of the cameras existence, or even filming at the time...no...not unless a file is uploaded to a web-site for all to see. I was told that it would be published on Wes's site. If that is not done, there is no proof of the cameras existence.
As to the event and our actions there; since it was public record, a quick search of the Tampa Police Departments records will probably indicate something took place at the Ala Carte Pavilion. As I mentioned in the original post, there were a total of two police vehicles. One of the policemen told me a supervisor was in route, if that was true?I am sure there was a report and or record of the event.
The venue its self can be approached for verification of the evenings event, ask them how they handled our presence.
All that is left is my word. You can take it, or leave it. Your acceptances of my account of the evening?s events don?t change the facts. There is, as I illustrated, a way of proofing my post?but that?s on you.
As to other observations made, they were just that, my own observations. As the other Anon pointed out..."He said Thru my eyes That means.... This is a subjective account of the event, his own personal view with facts interjected. "
Allow for another observation?this is our forum, for the most part. We all come and go out our leisure, we all come from various viewpoints on life, we all have our own ideas, goals and aspirations. We have our moments of intense rage, charming wit, razor sharp sarcasm and a tendency to wanna strike at any perceived threat. This is who and what we are. We are the product of their efforts. We were trained to do this?. brainwashed to do this?as a result we are all very good at this. We are all scared deeply from this, and yet we continue to do it. As a group of people, this is just what we do. Not excusing it, not endorsing/promoting it?just observing it.
Another Anon wrote ?These guys are in it for themselves and only use others if they can to gain something for themselves.? I questioned this myself prior to leaving the house. I wanted to know who was attending?same as the year before or, new faces. I also wanted to know what the agenda was, because the year before, to me, seemed to have a clear message?perhaps because my own understanding of the message was still yet unclear. And yeah, I wanted to gain something?or I would not have left the house. If I were pressed to answer what it was I actually hoped to have gained, I am not sure I could articulate an answer that would satisfy my own inquisitiveness, much less yours. Wish I could tho.
?Can?t we all just get a bong??
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whatever your headtrip is man....i wasn't a sheep
in str8,and i wasn't a sheep as a hippie! i don't believe in everything anyone is into! i believe in owning guns...uhhhhh! uh oh....thats not to hippie is it? i believe a moderation of everything keeps everything from being to far to one side!to far left,and you have "goon squads"
to prevent you doing anything wrong,taking your ability to defend yourself away etc! to far right,and you get the same thing.....more "goon squads".......being in the middle prevents any group from getting so big we cant turn the tables if they're getting out of hand!.....as far as top 40,top 10,....we didn't have much in the way of "underground music"....all of the hippie music was underground,dude.....as a few generations took over,it became commercial! in its time it wasn't commercial at all! the gratful dead was probably the first "undergroud" band!....they didn't scape the commercial society till 25 yrs after they hit the scene!....alice cooper was way "underground" in his first 4 albums!.....even the beatles were "underground" in thier last 3 years....especially "sgt.pepper" "magical mystery tour" albums!....they were a very far cry from the traditional trends in music! they made "underground" a household name!.....pink floyd was extremly "underground"!....it would take 13 records to finally hit pay dirt with "dark side of the moon"....oh and uh,every band is hoping to make a sucsess in thier venture in an album,its the way they eat,pay thier bills,
make more musical recordings etc etc.....today,anyone can make a record! 12 track digital recorders can be had by anyone!..."underground" has a braod term today....
if you suck,you can always say "oh,i'm in an underground band""we don't play for money!"...lol...yeah,right!.....why even make a cd
if you're not hoping to make some money from it? it cost something to make the cd.....hippie
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.all of the hippie music was underground,dude.....as a few generations took over,it became commercial! in its time it wasn't commercial at all! the gratful dead was probably the first "undergroud" band!....they didn't scape the commercial society till 25 yrs after they hit the scene!....alice cooper was way "underground" in his first 4 albums!.....even the beatles were "underground" in thier last 3 years....especially "sgt.pepper" "magical mystery tour" albums!....they were a very far cry from the traditional trends in music! they made "underground" a household name!.....pink floyd was extremly "underground"!....it would take 13 records to finally hit pay dirt with "dark side of the moon"....oh and uh,every band is hoping to make a sucsess in thier venture in an album,its the way they eat,pay thier bills,
make more musical recordings etc etc...
http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/punkhistinto.htm (http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/punkhistinto.htm)
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Whatever caveman. You prolly have "Virgin Killer" and "Bats out of Hell" on 8 track next to your "Roady" ticket stub. I saw one of those 8 track players once in a museum.
Alice Cooper was a history teacher. I saw him talk about the Milwaukee indians on "Waynes World"
The geritols on isle 8. And try not to break your arthritic thumb while lighting the lighter to smoke your "grass" :tup:
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Milwaukee indians
How are they doin this year?
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On 2006-02-27 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 09:03:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
"Rock on hippie. Your a cool fellow, but I am Grateful that Jerry's Dead. :tup:
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I personally learned a lot from the Grateful Dead, and Jerry Garcia. I learned to be more open minded (LSD helped). The music, and the atmospere they provided have been missed by many. It has not, and never will be the same without Jerry. He gave more to this world, then you ever will.
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Ive had better deep discussions with a plate of Soft Shell Crab
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On 2006-02-27 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 09:03:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
"Rock on hippie. Your a cool fellow, but I am Grateful that Jerry's Dead. :tup:
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I personally learned a lot from the Grateful Dead, and Jerry Garcia. I learned to be more open minded (LSD helped). The music, and the atmospere they provided have been missed by many. It has not, and never will be the same without Jerry. He gave more to this world, then you ever will.
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Ive had better deep discussions with a plate of Soft Shell Crab.
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You have all of Alice Cooper's albums signed?That does not count when you bring the whole pile of albums to him and have him sign them all in one sitting (signed in Black Sharpie laundry marker,I presume).
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You have all of Alice Cooper's albums signed?That does not count when you bring the whole pile of albums to him and have him sign them all in one sitting (signed in Black Sharpie laundry marker,I presume).
yes,it does....it was with some kind of marker! i sat there and b.s.ed with him for about 2 hours!
he's one of the coolest rock stars i ever met! not an asshole who didn't have time for his fans..
when i finished straight,for years i went to shitloads of concerts!i met ted nugget,steppenwolf,jerry garcia,crosby stills and nash,blue cheer,country joe mcdonald,john sabastian,joe perry and steve tyler of aerosmith,
{in fact i was a counselor at the place joe perry went to to get off heroin,thats how i met him},i met 2 members of the jefferson airplane,george clinton of the funkadelics{he happened to be on an airplane i was on},the kinks,spirit,johnny winter,.....after straight i wanted to live as much as possible! i did what was rebellious then,like you did later....its the same thing different era......but its the same non the less!
i don't see the point in busting my balls,but ok....if it makes you happy,whatever.....i just think we're stronger working together,than arguing over stupid shit!...lol....hippie
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On 2006-02-28 00:14:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"You have all of Alice Cooper's albums signed?That does not count when you bring the whole pile of albums to him and have him sign them all in one sitting (signed in Black Sharpie laundry marker,I presume).
yes,it does....it was with some kind of marker! i sat there and b.s.ed with him for about 2 hours!
he's one of the coolest rock stars i ever met! not an asshole who didn't have time for his fans..
when i finished straight,for years i went to shitloads of concerts!i met ted nugget,steppenwolf,jerry garcia,crosby stills and nash,blue cheer,country joe mcdonald,john sabastian,joe perry and steve tyler of aerosmith,
{in fact i was a counselor at the place joe perry went to to get off heroin,thats how i met him},i met 2 members of the jefferson airplane,george clinton of the funkadelics{he happened to be on an airplane i was on},the kinks,spirit,johnny winter,.....after straight i wanted to live as much as possible! i did what was rebellious then,like you did later....its the same thing different era......but its the same non the less!
i don't see the point in busting my balls,but ok....if it makes you happy,whatever.....i just think we're stronger working together,than arguing over stupid shit!...lol....hippie"
True,but if you display your entire collection of autographed Alice Cooper records at the same time,doesnt it look kind of strange that all of the signatures look exactly the same and done with the same pen?
Look,Im just bustin your balls ,Kid.
I AM Alice Cooper!
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On 2006-02-27 14:55:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You left out the Beatles, Elvis and Metallica. Everything huh? Your not into top 40, your into top 10. You listen to whatever MTV and giant corp radio tell you to listen to. Maybe someday you'll hear a band that's not on the radio every 20 seconds with a billion album sales.
what do they call it? oxymorin I think. A bunch of fucking hippys claiming to be revolutionarys when their really just a bunch of sheep that follow. Put down the dope and go take a bath, and get a haircut ya loser.
oh and apperantly you never read the "Million Dollar Babies" album insert. That album was written and recorded by studio musicians. Alice Cooper was just a stage clown with a gimick. GG Allen would have raped him, pissed on him and then kicked him in the crowd to be eaten by cannibals.
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What a stupid argument. Identifying with what are essentially fashion trends is pretty sheeplike, and calling yourself a "hippy" or a "punk" is like calling yourself a Tory or a Whig. The predictability of attacking hippies to "prove your punkness" is lame, really the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that you claim to be so above and beyond.
As far as the Grateful Dead being the "original undergeround band", well that stinks of the typical self-congratulatory hippy bullshit that makes people want to kick their asses. Yeah, Garcia had a somewhat innovative guitar style, but to listen to some of their fans tell it, they fucking invented music. In reality, most everything the Grateful Dead did was done with more style and finesse by Miles Davis on "Bitches Brew".
Saying that something sucks simply because it is popular is a pretty immature notion, and the "angry young punk" costume looks ridiculous on anyone over age 23, almost as ridiculous as a balding man with long hair or dreadlocks. By pretending that your particular choice of music, fashion, hairstyle, etc. somehow qualifies you as "subversive", "hip", "radical", or some other "threat to the mainstream" in and of itself is to delude yourself, cloud your thinking, and clamp yourself down into the most brain-dead, trivia-obsessed, self-absorbed programmed, pre-packaged lifestyle imaginable, all the while reassuring yourself that you are somehow superior to others who do not share your enlightened vision. If you need external signals to tell you who is on your side and who isn't, you have already lost. There are DEA agents who know every word to "Trucking" and drug-testing lab technicians with Black Flag tattoos.
Grow up, the both of yas, and learn to think for yourselves. There's a lot more roles in life you can play besides "hippy martyr" or "punk avenger".
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cool! can you do it again for me? all mine got stolen ..... :sad: in 1987 in boston.....for that matter,everything did!.......good lord,if you guys knew all the shit that happened to after that f-ing place scrwed me over.....there's so much shit....its unbelievable....oh well,thats
what we all got in the long run .....hippie
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On 2006-02-28 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
What a stupid argument. Identifying with what are essentially fashion trends is pretty sheeplike, and calling yourself a "hippy" or a "punk" is like calling yourself a Tory or a Whig. The predictability of attacking hippies to "prove your punkness" is lame, really the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that you claim to be so above and beyond.
As far as the Grateful Dead being the "original undergeround band", well that stinks of the typical self-congratulatory hippy bullshit that makes people want to kick their asses. Yeah, Garcia had a somewhat innovative guitar style, but to listen to some of their fans tell it, they fucking invented music. In reality, most everything the Grateful Dead did was done with more style and finesse by Miles Davis on "Bitches Brew".
Saying that something sucks simply because it is popular is a pretty immature notion, and the "angry young punk" costume looks ridiculous on anyone over age 23, almost as ridiculous as a balding man with long hair or dreadlocks. By pretending that your particular choice of music, fashion, hairstyle, etc. somehow qualifies you as "subversive", "hip", "radical", or some other "threat to the mainstream" in and of itself is to delude yourself, cloud your thinking, and clamp yourself down into the most brain-dead, trivia-obsessed, self-absorbed programmed, pre-packaged lifestyle imaginable, all the while reassuring yourself that you are somehow superior to others who do not share your enlightened vision. If you need external signals to tell you who is on your side and who isn't, you have already lost. There are DEA agents who know every word to "Trucking" and drug-testing lab technicians with Black Flag tattoos.
Grow up, the both of yas, and learn to think for yourselves. There's a lot more roles in life you can play besides "hippy martyr" or "punk avenger". "
Most astute observations. :tup:
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huey lewis is the man, menudo rocks out
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Thanks again, guys. It's been too real!
*beam me up Scotty!
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Most astute observations. :wave:
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On 2006-02-28 06:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Most astute observations. :wave: "
Here is our followers
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i'm just myself,man....i'm not an extreme liberal nut or extreme right wing either.....i love music and play as much as i can! if you want to call me a hippie martyr ...ok.....whatever....i don't care....just cause i don't copy every other person {guys} and have my hair short etc etc doesn't mean shit....i don't conform to shit dude!
i dropped out of your social world the day i left that f-ing place!i make my own path,for better or worse.....no ones convincing me to do other wise!
i happen to love long hair,you don't...so what?
does that make me a bad person? does it make me less than you?....i'm with withdrawl,just a free spirit! i'm not your steriotypical hippie! i love guns,believe that in order to have freedom,you have to be ready to defend it,i race cars and unlike other dead heads,i love way many more types of music than just the dead!you're right,they aren't all that and a bag of chips!they were a band that i like....thats just me! it doesn't have to be your thing,but i'm not forcing you to like them either!....hippie
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We are having trouble getting the video on the internet but are working on it. Soon we hope.
Thanks to everyone who attended.
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On 2006-02-28 07:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We are having trouble getting the video on the internet but are working on it. Soon we hope.
Thanks to everyone who attended."
Add Sound Effect:
Sounds like throwing a wrench in to an empty warehouse.
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On 2006-02-28 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 14:55:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You left out the Beatles, Elvis and Metallica. Everything huh? Your not into top 40, your into top 10. You listen to whatever MTV and giant corp radio tell you to listen to. Maybe someday you'll hear a band that's not on the radio every 20 seconds with a billion album sales.
what do they call it? oxymorin I think. A bunch of fucking hippys claiming to be revolutionarys when their really just a bunch of sheep that follow. Put down the dope and go take a bath, and get a haircut ya loser.
oh and apperantly you never read the "Million Dollar Babies" album insert. That album was written and recorded by studio musicians. Alice Cooper was just a stage clown with a gimick. GG Allen would have raped him, pissed on him and then kicked him in the crowd to be eaten by cannibals.
"
What a stupid argument. Identifying with what are essentially fashion trends is pretty sheeplike, and calling yourself a "hippy" or a "punk" is like calling yourself a Tory or a Whig. The predictability of attacking hippies to "prove your punkness" is lame, really the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that you claim to be so above and beyond.
As far as the Grateful Dead being the "original undergeround band", well that stinks of the typical self-congratulatory hippy bullshit that makes people want to kick their asses. Yeah, Garcia had a somewhat innovative guitar style, but to listen to some of their fans tell it, they fucking invented music. In reality, most everything the Grateful Dead did was done with more style and finesse by Miles Davis on "Bitches Brew".
Saying that something sucks simply because it is popular is a pretty immature notion, and the "angry young punk" costume looks ridiculous on anyone over age 23, almost as ridiculous as a balding man with long hair or dreadlocks. By pretending that your particular choice of music, fashion, hairstyle, etc. somehow qualifies you as "subversive", "hip", "radical", or some other "threat to the mainstream" in and of itself is to delude yourself, cloud your thinking, and clamp yourself down into the most brain-dead, trivia-obsessed, self-absorbed programmed, pre-packaged lifestyle imaginable, all the while reassuring yourself that you are somehow superior to others who do not share your enlightened vision. If you need external signals to tell you who is on your side and who isn't, you have already lost. There are DEA agents who know every word to "Trucking" and drug-testing lab technicians with Black Flag tattoos.
Grow up, the both of yas, and learn to think for yourselves. There's a lot more roles in life you can play besides "hippy martyr" or "punk avenger". "
Post of the year?
:nworthy: :nworthy:
But definitely if forced to choose, I would be a hippy anyday over a "punk". At least most people find hippies likable and kind of camp. But the 40 year old punks? :lol: :lol:
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Ah nah, you go 'head'n shuddup you, we all know you dunt live in Chinee. Ever'buddy no the reez'n you ain't goin t' no protest. It's cuz u contihnyullee bern yer brijjiz En nobuddy kin stand yerz ineemoa.
Ggize, I hab dun bin ther mahseff. I promiss I was dun ther at the ole SAFE pro-tayust wiff mah fukk buddies Gingeritis Wartsis, Kin, Kaffee, Wes Cokkinthahmowf, an thet ole ho Kim Cajunhole. Ah kin attiss t' th' feelins uv uhlaishin tah fayhnleh speyekin aht aginst thehs hea fiascah.
Ize rea sarreh I cain't kuhntribyut ta deze hea pro-tessteses in a die rekt waiy. Gret Stuffn!
Whin we gon' haive uhs anothah fukk fest uhggin?
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Ah kin attiss t' th' feelins uv uhlaishin tah fayhnleh speyekin aht aginst thehs hea fiascah.
::ftard::
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Well Woof, that was very well written. There is a word for what you went through when it all came up on you at once. It is called FUGUE and it is a seldom used psychological term. I went through it myself when I ran into Helen Petermann in an Ace Hardware store and after speaking to her briefly, I glanced down to discover a 20 ounce roofing hammer in my hand with no recollection of ever picking it up. You handled yourself great. I really wanted to attend. Earlier in the week I had asked for the day off and recieved it and then the Display Case at work was fixed 3 days ahead of schedule. I was placed in the awkward position of having to close, or the department closing early and losing money and pissing off customers, so I went ahead and went in to work, but I did let my boss know that this was the last time she ever reneigged one of my days off. I threatened to transfer, I was so pissed. She looked like she was either gonna cry or swallow her tongue.
I really wish I could have been there. After getting shut out by the cops it must have felt like a let down, but there will be other times..... Thanks everyone for going.
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On 2006-02-28 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ah nah, you go 'head'n shuddup you, we all know you dunt live in Chinee. Ever'buddy no the reez'n you ain't goin t' no protest. It's cuz u contihnyullee bern yer brijjiz En nobuddy kin stand yerz ineemoa.
Ggize, I hab dun bin ther mahseff. I promiss I was dun ther at the ole SAFE pro-tayust wiff mah fukk buddies Gingeritis Wartsis, Kin, Kaffee, Wes Cokkinthahmowf, an thet ole ho Kim Cajunhole. Ah kin attiss t' th' feelins uv uhlaishin tah fayhnleh speyekin aht aginst thehs hea fiascah.
Ize rea sarreh I cain't kuhntribyut ta deze hea pro-tessteses in a die rekt waiy. Gret Stuffn!
Whin we gon' haive uhs anothah fukk fest uhggin?"
let me guess...an ebonics translation?
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On 2006-02-28 14:19:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
"Well Woof, that was very well written. There is a word for what you went through when it all came up on you at once. It is called FUGUE and it is a seldom used psychological term. I went through it myself when I ran into Helen Petermann in an Ace Hardware store and after speaking to her briefly, I glanced down to discover a 20 ounce roofing hammer in my hand with no recollection of ever picking it up. You handled yourself great. I really wanted to attend. Earlier in the week I had asked for the day off and recieved it and then the Display Case at work was fixed 3 days ahead of schedule. I was placed in the awkward position of having to close, or the department closing early and losing money and pissing off customers, so I went ahead and went in to work, but I did let my boss know that this was the last time she ever reneigged one of my days off. I threatened to transfer, I was so pissed. She looked like she was either gonna cry or swallow her tongue.
I really wish I could have been there. After getting shut out by the cops it must have felt like a let down, but there will be other times..... Thanks everyone for going."
Thanks 85DJ, it's good to hear from ya. Don't worry abou the job/scheduling thing, I understand. If I was in the same situation I would have done and probably reacted the same way. I would been glad to see ya.
I wasn't sure exactly what ya meant by the word FUGUE...I wasn't sure if I had missed the latest acronyim so I looked it up. I found this several pages into Google.
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/di ... p?disID=38 (http://www.mental-health-matters.com/disorders/dis_details.php?disID=38)
First paragraph says, "A person in a Dissociative Fugue adopts a new identity after leaving their previous living arrangements and forgetting or being confused about their previous identity. They are able to perform well enough to survive under the new identity. These episodes are generally are caused by a severe stressor and are time limited to a few days, but may last up to months. When the fugue ends, the person is unable to recall what occurred during this state.
I think there is certain amount of truth to that. But as with all the critieria in the DSM 3-4 (what's it up to nowadays?) I cant read too deeply into it , ya know...too many similaritites. More than I would care to admit anyway
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On 2006-02-28 10:55:00, GregFL wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 14:55:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You left out the Beatles, Elvis and Metallica. Everything huh? Your not into top 40, your into top 10. You listen to whatever MTV and giant corp radio tell you to listen to. Maybe someday you'll hear a band that's not on the radio every 20 seconds with a billion album sales.
what do they call it? oxymorin I think. A bunch of fucking hippys claiming to be revolutionarys when their really just a bunch of sheep that follow. Put down the dope and go take a bath, and get a haircut ya loser.
oh and apperantly you never read the "Million Dollar Babies" album insert. That album was written and recorded by studio musicians. Alice Cooper was just a stage clown with a gimick. GG Allen would have raped him, pissed on him and then kicked him in the crowd to be eaten by cannibals.
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What a stupid argument. Identifying with what are essentially fashion trends is pretty sheeplike, and calling yourself a "hippy" or a "punk" is like calling yourself a Tory or a Whig. The predictability of attacking hippies to "prove your punkness" is lame, really the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that you claim to be so above and beyond.
As far as the Grateful Dead being the "original undergeround band", well that stinks of the typical self-congratulatory hippy bullshit that makes people want to kick their asses. Yeah, Garcia had a somewhat innovative guitar style, but to listen to some of their fans tell it, they fucking invented music. In reality, most everything the Grateful Dead did was done with more style and finesse by Miles Davis on "Bitches Brew".
Saying that something sucks simply because it is popular is a pretty immature notion, and the "angry young punk" costume looks ridiculous on anyone over age 23, almost as ridiculous as a balding man with long hair or dreadlocks. By pretending that your particular choice of music, fashion, hairstyle, etc. somehow qualifies you as "subversive", "hip", "radical", or some other "threat to the mainstream" in and of itself is to delude yourself, cloud your thinking, and clamp yourself down into the most brain-dead, trivia-obsessed, self-absorbed programmed, pre-packaged lifestyle imaginable, all the while reassuring yourself that you are somehow superior to others who do not share your enlightened vision. If you need external signals to tell you who is on your side and who isn't, you have already lost. There are DEA agents who know every word to "Trucking" and drug-testing lab technicians with Black Flag tattoos.
Grow up, the both of yas, and learn to think for yourselves. There's a lot more roles in life you can play besides "hippy martyr" or "punk avenger". "
Post of the year?
:nworthy: :nworthy:
But definitely if forced to choose, I would be a hippy anyday over a "punk". At least most people find hippies likable and kind of camp. But the 40 year old punks? :wave: Your ex-wife says hi. Thanks for the the $$money$$ she's been spending on me. She's kind of an ulgy bitch, but she loves it up her ass. At least you two have that much in common. :wave: :wave:
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On 2006-02-28 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 14:55:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You left out the Beatles, Elvis and Metallica. Everything huh? Your not into top 40, your into top 10. You listen to whatever MTV and giant corp radio tell you to listen to. Maybe someday you'll hear a band that's not on the radio every 20 seconds with a billion album sales.
what do they call it? oxymorin I think. A bunch of fucking hippys claiming to be revolutionarys when their really just a bunch of sheep that follow. Put down the dope and go take a bath, and get a haircut ya loser.
oh and apperantly you never read the "Million Dollar Babies" album insert. That album was written and recorded by studio musicians. Alice Cooper was just a stage clown with a gimick. GG Allen would have raped him, pissed on him and then kicked him in the crowd to be eaten by cannibals.
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What a stupid argument. Identifying with what are essentially fashion trends is pretty sheeplike, and calling yourself a "hippy" or a "punk" is like calling yourself a Tory or a Whig. The predictability of attacking hippies to "prove your punkness" is lame, really the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that you claim to be so above and beyond.
As far as the Grateful Dead being the "original undergeround band", well that stinks of the typical self-congratulatory hippy bullshit that makes people want to kick their asses. Yeah, Garcia had a somewhat innovative guitar style, but to listen to some of their fans tell it, they fucking invented music. In reality, most everything the Grateful Dead did was done with more style and finesse by Miles Davis on "Bitches Brew".
Saying that something sucks simply because it is popular is a pretty immature notion, and the "angry young punk" costume looks ridiculous on anyone over age 23, almost as ridiculous as a balding man with long hair or dreadlocks. By pretending that your particular choice of music, fashion, hairstyle, etc. somehow qualifies you as "subversive", "hip", "radical", or some other "threat to the mainstream" in and of itself is to delude yourself, cloud your thinking, and clamp yourself down into the most brain-dead, trivia-obsessed, self-absorbed programmed, pre-packaged lifestyle imaginable, all the while reassuring yourself that you are somehow superior to others who do not share your enlightened vision. If you need external signals to tell you who is on your side and who isn't, you have already lost. There are DEA agents who know every word to "Trucking" and drug-testing lab technicians with Black Flag tattoos.
Grow up, the both of yas, and learn to think for yourselves. There's a lot more roles in life you can play besides "hippy martyr" or "punk avenger". "
This is why I love you so much. I find your perspective and intelligence oh so sexy.
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Hey reagan. Damn those 7th grade type insults cut so deeply.
::crybaby:: ::crybaby::
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On 2006-02-28 15:13:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 10:55:00, GregFL wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 14:55:00, 6Reagan Youth9 wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 11:35:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"good lord,i don't "worship" the guy.....he was an execellent guitar player....no,not jimi hendrix,but his style was unique and all his own!
i enjoyed many of his concerts! just like you enjoy slash or whoever....nirvana! i listen to everything.....black hole sun is a cool tune to bye sound garden.....! alice cooper was my favorite for a long time! i met him 3-4 times!i had every record he {at the time 1986-88} ever made,all signed by him! he's the original freak!
he was the weirdest thing in rock music in his time!hanging himself,getting his head chopped off!
you name it,he did it.....i love it all!...hippie"
You left out the Beatles, Elvis and Metallica. Everything huh? Your not into top 40, your into top 10. You listen to whatever MTV and giant corp radio tell you to listen to. Maybe someday you'll hear a band that's not on the radio every 20 seconds with a billion album sales.
what do they call it? oxymorin I think. A bunch of fucking hippys claiming to be revolutionarys when their really just a bunch of sheep that follow. Put down the dope and go take a bath, and get a haircut ya loser.
oh and apperantly you never read the "Million Dollar Babies" album insert. That album was written and recorded by studio musicians. Alice Cooper was just a stage clown with a gimick. GG Allen would have raped him, pissed on him and then kicked him in the crowd to be eaten by cannibals.
"
What a stupid argument. Identifying with what are essentially fashion trends is pretty sheeplike, and calling yourself a "hippy" or a "punk" is like calling yourself a Tory or a Whig. The predictability of attacking hippies to "prove your punkness" is lame, really the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that you claim to be so above and beyond.
As far as the Grateful Dead being the "original undergeround band", well that stinks of the typical self-congratulatory hippy bullshit that makes people want to kick their asses. Yeah, Garcia had a somewhat innovative guitar style, but to listen to some of their fans tell it, they fucking invented music. In reality, most everything the Grateful Dead did was done with more style and finesse by Miles Davis on "Bitches Brew".
Saying that something sucks simply because it is popular is a pretty immature notion, and the "angry young punk" costume looks ridiculous on anyone over age 23, almost as ridiculous as a balding man with long hair or dreadlocks. By pretending that your particular choice of music, fashion, hairstyle, etc. somehow qualifies you as "subversive", "hip", "radical", or some other "threat to the mainstream" in and of itself is to delude yourself, cloud your thinking, and clamp yourself down into the most brain-dead, trivia-obsessed, self-absorbed programmed, pre-packaged lifestyle imaginable, all the while reassuring yourself that you are somehow superior to others who do not share your enlightened vision. If you need external signals to tell you who is on your side and who isn't, you have already lost. There are DEA agents who know every word to "Trucking" and drug-testing lab technicians with Black Flag tattoos.
Grow up, the both of yas, and learn to think for yourselves. There's a lot more roles in life you can play besides "hippy martyr" or "punk avenger". "
Post of the year?
:nworthy: :nworthy:
But definitely if forced to choose, I would be a hippy anyday over a "punk". At least most people find hippies likable and kind of camp. But the 40 year old punks? :wave: Your ex-wife says hi. Thanks for the the $$money$$ she's been spending on me. She's kind of an ulgy bitch, but she loves it up her ass. At least you two have that much in common. :wave: :wave:
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hey, its one of those funny 40 year old thinks-they-are-tough-junkie-thin punks now!
Everyone point and laugh at the aging angry self described punk.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:flame: 7th grade :flame: I learned that one in 5th grade goddammit.
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40??????? I'm 35 dumbass. ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: You cock suckers need to get your grades and ages right.
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I think 40 year old punks are cool. I think it shows strength of character to express who you are in the face of adversarial social expectations. Fuck all the social standards and conventions. More power to the 40 year old punks!
Peace an' Anarchy! ::dove::
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On 2006-02-27 20:26:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
".all of the hippie music was underground,dude.....as a few generations took over,it became commercial! in its time it wasn't commercial at all! the gratful dead was probably the first "undergroud" band!....they didn't scape the commercial society till 25 yrs after they hit the scene!....alice cooper was way "underground" in his first 4 albums!.....even the beatles were "underground" in thier last 3 years....especially "sgt.pepper" "magical mystery tour" albums!....they were a very far cry from the traditional trends in music! they made "underground" a household name!.....pink floyd was extremly "underground"!....it would take 13 records to finally hit pay dirt with "dark side of the moon"....oh and uh,every band is hoping to make a sucsess in thier venture in an album,its the way they eat,pay thier bills,
make more musical recordings etc etc...
http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/punkhistinto.htm (http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/punkhistinto.htm)"
tons of info here, but the truth about Skrewdriver is totally avoided. here's an excert:
::book:: The band existed as two very distinct entities, Skrewdriver Mk1 evolved out of the punk explosion that gripped Britain in 1976. The early period was all about the music, the fashion, and four lads from the north west of England having a good time. Two years later the impetus had gone, bad decisions had been made, key players had left and a lack of musical focus led to their decline into a very average rock (not punk) band. They limped on into early 1980 before finally expiring. Then two years later singer Ian Stuart revived the name with totally different personnel and the full National Front manifesto. Unfortunately the image of Skrewdriver will be forever tarnished by the extreme political affiliations of this later incarnation. People are entitled to their own opinions but this is not the place to debate the rights or wrongs of Ian Stuart?s politics as expressed through Skrewdriver Mk2. This is the story of those exciting early days of 76-78. ::book::
They tip toe the truth with careful wording. Skrewdriver was the grand daddys of Nazi Skinhead Punk. By the early ninties there were so many skinhead factions I couldn't keep up with what all the different colored shoelaces in Doc Martins meant. I remember red was Nazi and green was SHARP (skin heads against racial prejudice) Though I've always dug Minor Threat and Agnostic Front, Skinhead has never been my forte. I've always been a Streetpunk/Hawk.
I left Colorado Springs 7 days ago. 2 days after I left some niger gangsters drove by my girls place and shot her house all to hell. They missed her but got her neighbor who was there visiting. When the cops arrived their attention was focused on Crapple stickers that featured a cop shooting dope with the phrase "where are our seized drugs really going"
Now chances are I'll always hate the police, but I'm not gonna hate an entire race because of a few.
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Nice sig
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thanks
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On 2006-02-28 20:59:00, 6Reagan Youth9 boringly droned...
Skrewdriver was the grand daddys of Nazi Skinhead Punk. By the early ninties there were so many skinhead factions I couldn't keep up with what all the different colored shoelaces in Doc Martins meant. I remember red was Nazi and green was SHARP (skin heads against racial prejudice) Though I've always dug Minor Threat and Agnostic Front, Skinhead has never been my forte. I've always been a Streetpunk/Hawk.
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who fucking caresabout different types of skinheads and punks? What a trip, and then you insult "hippies". You are a child in an aging body.
everyone point and laugh at the 40ish steetpunk/hawk. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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GregFl is a sissy fag. ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both::
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Jesus wants a new car and he wants ME to drive it.
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You know reagan, I don't care whether you like me or not. In fact, when people who are acting like you act don't like me I view that as victory, a kind of confirmation of my basic humanity.
Also, when you choose to threaten and insult people in a degrading manner, you ever stop to think who is really degraded? Hint, it isn't the person you direct that extreme nonsense towards.
It is kind of like a monkey throwing shit at people at the zoo. THe monkey ends up with shit all over himself and everyone has a good chuckle at his expense. You sir, are making a monkey out of yourself.
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On 2006-02-28 21:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 20:59:00, 6Reagan Youth9 boringly droned...
Skrewdriver was the grand daddys of Nazi Skinhead Punk. By the early ninties there were so many skinhead factions I couldn't keep up with what all the different colored shoelaces in Doc Martins meant. I remember red was Nazi and green was SHARP (skin heads against racial prejudice) Though I've always dug Minor Threat and Agnostic Front, Skinhead has never been my forte. I've always been a Streetpunk/Hawk.
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who fucking caresabout different types of skinheads and punks? What a trip, and then you insult "hippies". You are a child in an aging body.
everyone point and laugh at the 40ish steetpunk/hawk. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It is kind of funny. I mean the true punks, rebels, miscreants and non-conformists don't feel the need to run around trying to prove[/b] how cool and anti-establishment they are. :lol:
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I'd rather be funny and make people laugh than an embarrassed bed wetter like you. Go get your mommy to change your sheets you bed wetting sissy fag. ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff::
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I guess this is as good a thread as any to interject this.....being on the topic of skinheads and anti-heroes.
I have pretty strong opinions about people who dress to a certain extreme, or cultivate a lifestyle based on an extreme ideal. Back then, you had to seriously pay a price for the music you listened to, or the clothes you wore. If you were Punk or even New Wave, there was only one group you could run with and that was others like you. I hated that. Why couldnt I make friends who didnt necessarily listen to The Ramones or New Order?
In short, I call it the "I Want to be Different, Just Like Everyone Else" Syndrome.
About 5 days ago I decided to shave my head completely. And I mean shaven; not artfully redesigned into some funky, color-infused peacock display....I mean a good old down-to-earth-home-clip-job-on-the bathroom-floor, shaven.
I did it not because I wanted to be a butch dyke, or a skinhead or so I would fit in at the Agnostic Front show....I did it because I figured it was the best way to force me to be honest with myself and others about what I want to achieve. Okay, I know this sounds like bullshit, but let me explain.
I am your slightly a-typical housewife type, I have a kid, I shop at Whole Foods, I drive a pretensious European automobile. I dont really have any close friends because I have chosen to separate myself from all of the "Wives", or better known as the "women married to all of my husband's friends". I dont like American Idol or Survivor or Desperate Housewives. Now, this doesnt mean that I havent attempted to conform to my current presented lifestyle, I go to the functions, I watch the shows (under duress only) and I glance at the gossip rags on the shelves at HEB when I am checking out so I can know whats going on with Brangelina during the weekly card nite get-together. I am miserable most of the time unless I am day dreaming about what I would really want my life to be like. I am not ungrateful, mind you....but I am not being true to my values either.
I became certain that shaving my head was the answer to all of this. I knew that everyone would be forced to judge me. I knew I would be forced to pursue my goals of having my own business and being successful on my own terms....because I wasnt going to qualify for a desk job anymore in an interview. I knew my "friends" would have to decide if they wanted me over for girls nite anymore or to be seen with me in public. I really thought that it would help to clarify my environment so I could stop justifying my.....well, my justifications.
In truth, I didnt do it to fit IN, I did it to fit OUT so that I could be true to who I wanted to be, not what was being expected of me by people I didnt even care that much about anyway.
In many ways its been like getting a clean slate....clean head=clean slate. People stare sometimes, they compliment me sometimes, they ask me if I am sick sometimes....and it doesnt bother me. I dont dress all in black or wear a chain wallet or have excessive tattoos. You can still find me in my soccer-mom capris and flip flops. But I am not taken for granted anymore....nor do I take my environment for granted either. I dont think you have to give yourself over completely to an extreme ideal in order to express yourself....people just sometimes need a little reality....and I dont mean of the television variety.
I will be very honest and say that I have always counted on a certain amount of attractiveness that I believed I possesed. It gave me confidence and helped me socially where I might have faltered otherwise. I wanted to see what would happen if I cast it off. A vanity purge.
So far so good. Ill keep anyone updated who cares.
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So far so good. Ill keep anyone updated who cares.
Lemme know how it goes.. :tup:
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On 2006-03-01 08:47:00, Carmel wrote:
purge.
So far so good. Ill keep anyone updated who cares.
Sounds cool, and makes sense to me. I'm sure you'll catch some shit for it, but then again, anything worth doing is gonna bother somebody. I like your reasoning, and hope you get what you're looking for out of the experience. Keep us updated.
rtp2k3
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This is why I love you so much. I find your perspective and intelligence oh so sexy."
Why thank you, whoever you are.
rtp2k3
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On 2006-02-27 12:28:00, stillahippie564 good ol' miller gave it to me good that night!
You too?
I remember it as if it happened yesterday......
Miller Newton touched my junk liberally. He strapped me in to his Straightmobile and he
couldn't keep his offensive hands off of me. He was performing many red flag touches. I
couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. I told Miller Newton the city would not approve
of a millionaire touching an underage kid for free. Can you believe it? Miller Newton did all this. He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the Straightmobile's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.
They definately were red flag touches. The goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on
raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did "Dr." Newton care? NO WAY! He
just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuckwas going on, indeed. I pleaded with
Miller Newton but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a wealthy man
touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for
the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.
This got to him, worrying about his image. he continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring
the referee's red flags. Then he drove the Straightmobile to my house and ejected the seat I was in! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in it!!! Can you believe it?????????????????????????
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I STILL think this is the phrase of the Decade!
"He was performing many red flag touches."
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slander and defamation are an age old form of protest.
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On 2006-03-01 08:47:00, Carmel wrote:
"I guess this is as good a thread as any to interject this.....being on the topic of skinheads and anti-heroes.
I have pretty strong opinions about people who dress to a certain extreme, or cultivate a lifestyle based on an extreme ideal. Back then, you had to seriously pay a price for the music you listened to, or the clothes you wore. If you were Punk or even New Wave, there was only one group you could run with and that was others like you. I hated that. Why couldnt I make friends who didnt necessarily listen to The Ramones or New Order?
In short, I call it the "I Want to be Different, Just Like Everyone Else" Syndrome.
About 5 days ago I decided to shave my head completely. And I mean shaven; not artfully redesigned into some funky, color-infused peacock display....I mean a good old down-to-earth-home-clip-job-on-the bathroom-floor, shaven.
I did it not because I wanted to be a butch dyke, or a skinhead or so I would fit in at the Agnostic Front show....I did it because I figured it was the best way to force me to be honest with myself and others about what I want to achieve. Okay, I know this sounds like bullshit, but let me explain.
I am your slightly a-typical housewife type, I have a kid, I shop at Whole Foods, I drive a pretensious European automobile. I dont really have any close friends because I have chosen to separate myself from all of the "Wives", or better known as the "women married to all of my husband's friends". I dont like American Idol or Survivor or Desperate Housewives. Now, this doesnt mean that I havent attempted to conform to my current presented lifestyle, I go to the functions, I watch the shows (under duress only) and I glance at the gossip rags on the shelves at HEB when I am checking out so I can know whats going on with Brangelina during the weekly card nite get-together. I am miserable most of the time unless I am day dreaming about what I would really want my life to be like. I am not ungrateful, mind you....but I am not being true to my values either.
I became certain that shaving my head was the answer to all of this. I knew that everyone would be forced to judge me. I knew I would be forced to pursue my goals of having my own business and being successful on my own terms....because I wasnt going to qualify for a desk job anymore in an interview. I knew my "friends" would have to decide if they wanted me over for girls nite anymore or to be seen with me in public. I really thought that it would help to clarify my environment so I could stop justifying my.....well, my justifications.
In truth, I didnt do it to fit IN, I did it to fit OUT so that I could be true to who I wanted to be, not what was being expected of me by people I didnt even care that much about anyway.
In many ways its been like getting a clean slate....clean head=clean slate. People stare sometimes, they compliment me sometimes, they ask me if I am sick sometimes....and it doesnt bother me. I dont dress all in black or wear a chain wallet or have excessive tattoos. You can still find me in my soccer-mom capris and flip flops. But I am not taken for granted anymore....nor do I take my environment for granted either. I dont think you have to give yourself over completely to an extreme ideal in order to express yourself....people just sometimes need a little reality....and I dont mean of the television variety.
I will be very honest and say that I have always counted on a certain amount of attractiveness that I believed I possesed. It gave me confidence and helped me socially where I might have faltered otherwise. I wanted to see what would happen if I cast it off. A vanity purge.
So far so good. Ill keep anyone updated who cares.
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now shave that stank snatch and get it checked, you'll be even BetteR !!!
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Cap BR???????? oh, your itinitals Butt Rammie ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::both:: :lol:
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On 2006-02-28 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 07:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We are having trouble getting the video on the internet but are working on it. Soon we hope.
Thanks to everyone who attended."
Add Sound Effect:
Sounds like throwing a wrench in to an empty warehouse."
good one, that could actually be used as a soundtrack for this forum
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On 2006-03-05 18:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 07:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We are having trouble getting the video on the internet but are working on it. Soon we hope.
Thanks to everyone who attended."
Add Sound Effect:
Sounds like throwing a wrench in to an empty warehouse."
good one, that could actually be used as a soundtrack for this forum"
...yeah, and maybe the floor of the warehouse... with no windows... and cinderblock walls...where it's dark but it looks like sumthin' might 'a' happened there once... would be poured concrete an' couple...10,ooo...50,ooo pair 'a' trainin' wheels locked into the otherwise smooth concrete floor...I can see it, catchin' some light from somewhere... hear it bouncin around on the floor. Echoing pitches of sound
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...yeah, I can see it catchin the light comin' from God knows where...The Desperation...
...and bouncin around on the concrete floor...all wild and erratic like ....echoin' pitches of sound...some ol' warehouse where sumthin' might 'a' happened once...with no windows and cinderblock walls...the wrench is like a misbehaver...
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On 2006-02-26 22:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 07:46:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China."
Thank you.
I never have anything bad to say about these events.Its just that I have met Greg and Sherman,and about 24 hours after I met them they revealed my personal informations right here on this board.Its because of self serving assholes like them that more people dont participate in the protests.
I do live in China,but thats no great feat.
I would go to these protests EVEN IF it meant I had to be seen in public with slime ball like Greg and Sherman.
Ill tell you another thing,they know my name and they also know if they ever mention it here again that I will arrive to their front fucking door.They have "burned so many bridges" that they actually keep guns for protection.
You see,I dont need any gun.Ill say right here that Ill burn the fucking houses of all their family members if the ever cross me again.
These sick fuckers published a toll free 1-800 number on Fagers website,knowing that people seeking help would call that number.Well,the only thing that happens when you call that number is people start exploiting you and dont even have the respect to keep your personal informations private,and if you ever post anything they dont agree with,they post your full name here.They put my name here within 24 hours of my meeting with them.
Like I said before,if you ever cross me again I will make you wish that you were never born!Go ahead,I DARE YOU!"
I called another so-called non-profit for survivors to call and talk to someone, and what I talked to them about something from straight sure enough came back to me on the internet and also found out that gossip travelled rather far indeed. do NOT trust fromer cult members, which if any former cult members are running non-profits, good for them, i hope they do good work but hey have not one bit of training in the sensitivities of talking about straight with survivors and if they can't keep a secret no matter what then they should not fucking talk to survivors and present themself as a source for survivors at the end of their rope when they are just going to get gossiped on. You don't believe me, but you know the one I am talking about, and if you call them and get in a conversation well take note of all the gossip you are getting on other straight survivors, their mental and health problems and so on. well that makes it's way right around, there was no trust, there was no confidentiality - not the straight kind the kind that doctors, psychs and lawyers have to PROTECT a vulnerable person. Well well well. Anyone else care to comment on calling a number for survivors to call and talk to someone ("oh call this particular non-profit, they are good to talk to") and got a bunch of gossip on other survivors? Try it. I am not talking about the same people this person is talking about either. Time for the Truth.
Oh and by the way I personally am NOT a good person to talk to, I have never presented myself as such, I WILL gossip to protect myself or help myself, do NOT fucking call me and expect "no talking behind backs". The very Key Difference is that I do not present any Pro Bono For Survivors front. In short, these Pro Bono organizations are staffed by survivors who are a sadistic and lying lot, they are NOT qualified, they are in fact very unqualified.
THAT is the TRUTH.
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On 2006-02-27 00:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 22:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-26 07:46:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China."
Thank you.
I never have anything bad to say about these events.Its just that I have met Greg and Sherman,and about 24 hours after I met them they revealed my personal informations right here on this board.Its because of self serving assholes like them that more people dont participate in the protests.
I do live in China,but thats no great feat.
I would go to these protests EVEN IF it meant I had to be seen in public with slime ball like Greg and Sherman.
Ill tell you another thing,they know my name and they also know if they ever mention it here again that I will arrive to their front fucking door.They have "burned so many bridges" that they actually keep guns for protection.
You see,I dont need any gun.Ill say right here that Ill burn the fucking houses of all their family members if the ever cross me again.
These sick fuckers published a toll free 1-800 number on Fagers website,knowing that people seeking help would call that number.Well,the only thing that happens when you call that number is people start exploiting you and dont even have the respect to keep your personal informations private,and if you ever post anything they dont agree with,they post your full name here.They put my name here within 24 hours of my meeting with them.
Like I said before,if you ever cross me again I will make you wish that you were never born!Go ahead,I DARE YOU!"
Everybody here knows GregFL is a creep and not to be trusted.You would have to be living ,I dont know,somewhere in China perhaps,not to know about Greg's antics.Im sorry it had to happen to you too.
One day Greg will get whats coming to him.Mark my words. :tup: "
All the moderators will sell you out. It gets there rocks off. Thisis blood sport for them. We are talking Frederick, Ginger and Greg. They have collaborated and cooperated in trolling and other sick shit on people they act like friends to. I hate them all. I would not get close enough to them to need mace, but just in case if I think I will be near them I will carry some. That goes for Baltimore, PA, and wherever the fuck in Florida that Greg lives. By the way, interesting court records all over the U.S. I have been having fun looking at them online, it is not hard to do at all, it is not hard to find a map and find out what county a town is in. I don't have enough info and the time is not yet right to strike, but moderators should be warned, every one has their Ackilles(sp) Heel. They can fix this problem by apologies and clearing the shit up, speaking frankly about their responsibility and so on. They have been given sooo many chances to do this, I really think they might need to get pinched on their heel for a while, I really do, because they think it is all funny when it is really really not funny, if it was funny everyone would be laughing and not just them.
This is a very bad and dangerous place for survivors of cult abuse. I hope people who are being hurt will simply leave. I hope this site gets killed because it is as a matter of FACT hurting common cause and trust. Ask around amongst survivors.
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On 2006-02-27 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Do we have any proof of any of this?
Proof of? See, there goes that reading comprehension thing right out the window again. Proof of? He said Thru my eyes That means.... This is a subjective account of the event, his own personal view with facts interjected. Troll."
Chicken.
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Frederick
I don't moderate this forum.
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On 2006-03-09 13:29:00, Froderik wrote:
"Frederick
I don't moderate this forum."
uhm, no one said you did. facts above still stand. you look feverish.
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F you with your 'you look feverish' shit..I ain't afraid of you. ::both::
How do those facts "still stand" if I don't moderate this forum?
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On 2006-03-09 13:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-27 00:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-02-26 22:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-02-26 07:46:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China."
Thank you.
I never have anything bad to say about these events.Its just that I have met Greg and Sherman,and about 24 hours after I met them they revealed my personal informations right here on this board.Its because of self serving assholes like them that more people dont participate in the protests.
I do live in China,but thats no great feat.
I would go to these protests EVEN IF it meant I had to be seen in public with slime ball like Greg and Sherman.
Ill tell you another thing,they know my name and they also know if they ever mention it here again that I will arrive to their front fucking door.They have "burned so many bridges" that they actually keep guns for protection.
You see,I dont need any gun.Ill say right here that Ill burn the fucking houses of all their family members if the ever cross me again.
These sick fuckers published a toll free 1-800 number on Fagers website,knowing that people seeking help would call that number.Well,the only thing that happens when you call that number is people start exploiting you and dont even have the respect to keep your personal informations private,and if you ever post anything they dont agree with,they post your full name here.They put my name here within 24 hours of my meeting with them.
Like I said before,if you ever cross me again I will make you wish that you were never born!Go ahead,I DARE YOU!"
Everybody here knows GregFL is a creep and not to be trusted.You would have to be living ,I dont know,somewhere in China perhaps,not to know about Greg's antics.Im sorry it had to happen to you too.
One day Greg will get whats coming to him.Mark my words. :tup: "
All the moderators will sell you out. It gets there rocks off. Thisis blood sport for them. We are talking Frederick, Ginger and Greg. They have collaborated and cooperated in trolling and other sick shit on people they act like friends to. I hate them all. I would not get close enough to them to need mace, but just in case if I think I will be near them I will carry some. That goes for Baltimore, PA, and wherever the fuck in Florida that Greg lives. By the way, interesting court records all over the U.S. I have been having fun looking at them online, it is not hard to do at all, it is not hard to find a map and find out what county a town is in. I don't have enough info and the time is not yet right to strike, but moderators should be warned, every one has their Ackilles(sp) Heel. They can fix this problem by apologies and clearing the shit up, speaking frankly about their responsibility and so on. They have been given sooo many chances to do this, I really think they might need to get pinched on their heel for a while, I really do, because they think it is all funny when it is really really not funny, if it was funny everyone would be laughing and not just them.
This is a very bad and dangerous place for survivors of cult abuse. I hope people who are being hurt will simply leave. I hope this site gets killed because it is as a matter of FACT hurting common cause and trust. Ask around amongst survivors.
"
1) never tell anyone anything you dont want people
to know
2) why the fuck would you call an 800 number to give your personal info to ex straightlings? Is there some "ex straight staffed suicide hotline" or something?
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On 2006-03-10 04:28:00, linchpin wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 13:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-02-27 00:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-02-26 22:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-02-26 07:46:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I was glad to see him saying something good about the event even if his post was somewhat laden with sarcasm, insults & surreal humor about China."
Thank you.
I never have anything bad to say about these events.Its just that I have met Greg and Sherman,and about 24 hours after I met them they revealed my personal informations right here on this board.Its because of self serving assholes like them that more people dont participate in the protests.
I do live in China,but thats no great feat.
I would go to these protests EVEN IF it meant I had to be seen in public with slime ball like Greg and Sherman.
Ill tell you another thing,they know my name and they also know if they ever mention it here again that I will arrive to their front fucking door.They have "burned so many bridges" that they actually keep guns for protection.
You see,I dont need any gun.Ill say right here that Ill burn the fucking houses of all their family members if the ever cross me again.
These sick fuckers published a toll free 1-800 number on Fagers website,knowing that people seeking help would call that number.Well,the only thing that happens when you call that number is people start exploiting you and dont even have the respect to keep your personal informations private,and if you ever post anything they dont agree with,they post your full name here.They put my name here within 24 hours of my meeting with them.
Like I said before,if you ever cross me again I will make you wish that you were never born!Go ahead,I DARE YOU!"
Everybody here knows GregFL is a creep and not to be trusted.You would have to be living ,I dont know,somewhere in China perhaps,not to know about Greg's antics.Im sorry it had to happen to you too.
One day Greg will get whats coming to him.Mark my words. :tup: "
All the moderators will sell you out. It gets there rocks off. Thisis blood sport for them. We are talking Frederick, Ginger and Greg. They have collaborated and cooperated in trolling and other sick shit on people they act like friends to. I hate them all. I would not get close enough to them to need mace, but just in case if I think I will be near them I will carry some. That goes for Baltimore, PA, and wherever the fuck in Florida that Greg lives. By the way, interesting court records all over the U.S. I have been having fun looking at them online, it is not hard to do at all, it is not hard to find a map and find out what county a town is in. I don't have enough info and the time is not yet right to strike, but moderators should be warned, every one has their Ackilles(sp) Heel. They can fix this problem by apologies and clearing the shit up, speaking frankly about their responsibility and so on. They have been given sooo many chances to do this, I really think they might need to get pinched on their heel for a while, I really do, because they think it is all funny when it is really really not funny, if it was funny everyone would be laughing and not just them.
This is a very bad and dangerous place for survivors of cult abuse. I hope people who are being hurt will simply leave. I hope this site gets killed because it is as a matter of FACT hurting common cause and trust. Ask around amongst survivors.
"
1) never tell anyone anything you dont want people
to know
2) why the fuck would you call an 800 number to give your personal info to ex straightlings? Is there some "ex straight staffed suicide hotline" or something?
"
I called Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler when I was a the "end of my rope",did a google search on "Straight",found Wes Fagers fucked up site,and there was published Mike Sherman's Toll Free 1-800 Number,and after meeting in person with them seeking help,they published my real name ALL OVER this board.
Creeps.
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I called Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler when I was a the "end of my rope",did a google search on "Straight",found Wes Fagers fucked up site,and there was published Mike Sherman's Toll Free 1-800 Number,and after meeting in person with them seeking help,they published my real name ALL OVER this board.
Creeps."
as always, you are a fucking liar.
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On 2006-03-10 07:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I called Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler when I was a the "end of my rope",did a google search on "Straight",found Wes Fagers fucked up site,and there was published Mike Sherman's Toll Free 1-800 Number,and after meeting in person with them seeking help,they published my real name ALL OVER this board.
Creeps."
as always, you are a fucking liar. "
The only person name that I post on this site is mine...Mike Sherman.
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Will this stupid shit never end? I'm talking to all of you.
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On 2006-03-10 07:22:00, Froderik wrote:
"Will this stupid shit never end? I'm talking to all of you."
This will end when you make amends for threating to send everyone to SIBS.
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This will end when you make amends for threating to send everyone to SIBS."
LOL, ok- I apologize for that & hereby solemnly swear to sever all ties with Dr. Fucktard!
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On 2006-03-10 04:28:00, linchpin wrote:
2) why the fuck would you call an 800 number to give your personal info to ex straightlings? Is there some "ex straight staffed suicide hotline" or something?
Once upon a time, there was. Personally, I thought it was an extremely bad idea.
I won't even go so far as to recommend helpful resources that I've heard nothing but good about and that I have faith in. Not, at least, without having the time to explain why I think they might be helpful (might) and the limits of what I actually know about them. What if I've been duped? It's happened before. As a kid, ok, I made honest mistakes and gave people horrendously bad advice for various reasons. I was a kid. I can learn from my mistakes and forgive myself. But I'm not a kid anymore, I know better.
Even so, I might be convinced that it's safe to hand out a help hotline if I have reason to believe that they really are helpful and that the people who answer know what they're doing and have some incentive to do the right thing. Hasn't happened yet, but I'm open to the possability. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You're right, the LAST stranger in the world you want to trust w/ your unsettled, disturbed issues regarding Straight is the one of whom the only thing you know is that they know precisely how to push your buttons. More to the point, that they may very well NOT know how NOT to do that!
I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
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On 2006-03-10 07:22:00, Froderik wrote:
"Will this stupid shit never end? I'm talking to all of you."
Good question, Fred. We are talking to all of you.
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On 2006-03-10 07:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I called Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler when I was a the "end of my rope",did a google search on "Straight",found Wes Fagers fucked up site,and there was published Mike Sherman's Toll Free 1-800 Number,and after meeting in person with them seeking help,they published my real name ALL OVER this board.
Creeps."
as always, you are a fucking liar. "
No,ITS TRUE.
You even bought me a real good hamburger and frenchfries during our little meeting,then plastered my name ALL OVER this board the very next day when I posted something that YOU did not like (assuming that "YOU" are Mike Sherman or Chris Tyler").
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The proof is on the post "Photo Of Billboard",posted by Wes Fager.
K-Pickle aka Mike Sherman,
you are a liar.
You are an exploiter of anyone who called your toll free number from that billboard.
You know who I am,and if you ever post my personal informations anywhere again,I will come and pay you a little visit,you piece of shit child abuser.
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On 2006-03-10 23:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The proof is on the post "Photo Of Billboard",posted by Wes Fager.
K-Pickle aka Mike Sherman,
you are a liar.
You are an exploiter of anyone who called your toll free number from that billboard.
You know who I am,and if you ever post my personal informations anywhere again,I will come and pay you a little visit,you piece of shit child abuser."
::burger:: ::cheers:: ::deal:: ::deal:: ::deal::
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You even bought me a real good hamburger and frenchfries during our little meeting
Did he buy you a soda too?
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wow, I knew I wasn't the only motherfucker that thought Mike Sherman and the rest of his bunch were really Pro Straight. Now I can roll away the med cart, I was starting to believe I wanted it.
I had talked to Cap'n Marti for a bit. Scared her cos she likes females. But she took one for me and decided to talk to me.Curious, the next time I called back around 4 am, noone answered. So, it wasn't really a survivors suicide line much at all.
I am not sure why they gather information the way they do and for what purposes, but it is very invasive and sneaky the way they do it. I still say they are working for Sembler.
There seems to be this high level of anonymity around here, but its not held in any esteem when it comes to gathering information. Mike knows he and his do this gathering very aggressively, but they are not to be questioned about it. Why would he lie about MCG taking a case for survivors, when one phone call made him a total liar? Why would Ray claim to have closed a whole facility by himself and back Mike on these information gathering adventures?
At least we can admit that, yes, their methods are unscrupulous and sad. I am just wondering what they are doing with all that survivor information? It all adds up to a conspiracy theory, or maybe they just don't have any other way of gathering the information. But at least they look very unorganized. I haven't heard anyone comment on becoming organized at these protests, a reason no one really attends.
At two of the 'conventions' they had, I was very surprised to see some of the ways they were gathering information on Straight Inc. Sammie wanted to make sure everyone there got on camera both times. There were sign in sheets that requested phone numbers and requested addresses and full names.
The way Sammie protested on the most current film of the latest protest, where only Sherman and close Pro Straighters attended, you would think she was advocating for the Holocaust Museum itself. "...no sleep, no food."
At the convention, both times Michael Sherman was happy to waive the scholarship fee.
At the protest where Sembler was present we were told not to speak to his children or grandchildren by Cap'n Marti. Why? You don't have beef with Sembler? I mean, we practically made it possible for him to have so many grandchildren, I would think they would like to know where their meals come from.
Maybe it's not Pro Straight what you are doing the way you gather your information all scared and withered and secretive and shitty like you do. Maybe you're just scared and withered and secretive as if you have something to feel guilty about. I am not, for one, scared of people with money who have power over me with their money. I will tell Sembler that he is a pedophile to his face. You wouldn't. You are smarter than that and you tread with too much care Ray (when you hang out with Ray you will see the guilt and games he plays about his things he does, the guy is a guilt monger) and Mike and Sammie and the rest of you out there in the public eye, but the care you tread on is our shoulders who were happy to share our personal information with you after we went through Straight. You should be more unscrupulous with Melvin and his pedophile gang; not those who put their trust in you.
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On 2006-03-11 07:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You even bought me a real good hamburger and frenchfries during our little meeting
Did he buy you a soda too? "
Yes.
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Yes.
Excrement.
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On 2006-03-11 20:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
Yes.
Excrement."
Feces
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On 2006-03-11 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"wow, I knew I wasn't the only motherfucker that thought Mike Sherman and the rest of his bunch were really Pro Straight. Now I can roll away the med cart, I was starting to believe I wanted it.
I had talked to Cap'n Marti for a bit. Scared her cos she likes females. But she took one for me and decided to talk to me.Curious, the next time I called back around 4 am, noone answered. So, it wasn't really a survivors suicide line much at all.
I am not sure why they gather information the way they do and for what purposes, but it is very invasive and sneaky the way they do it. I still say they are working for Sembler.
There seems to be this high level of anonymity around here, but its not held in any esteem when it comes to gathering information. Mike knows he and his do this gathering very aggressively, but they are not to be questioned about it. Why would he lie about MCG taking a case for survivors, when one phone call made him a total liar? Why would Ray claim to have closed a whole facility by himself and back Mike on these information gathering adventures?
At least we can admit that, yes, their methods are unscrupulous and sad. I am just wondering what they are doing with all that survivor information? It all adds up to a conspiracy theory, or maybe they just don't have any other way of gathering the information. But at least they look very unorganized. I haven't heard anyone comment on becoming organized at these protests, a reason no one really attends.
At two of the 'conventions' they had, I was very surprised to see some of the ways they were gathering information on Straight Inc. Sammie wanted to make sure everyone there got on camera both times. There were sign in sheets that requested phone numbers and requested addresses and full names.
The way Sammie protested on the most current film of the latest protest, where only Sherman and close Pro Straighters attended, you would think she was advocating for the Holocaust Museum itself. "...no sleep, no food."
At the convention, both times Michael Sherman was happy to waive the scholarship fee.
At the protest where Sembler was present we were told not to speak to his children or grandchildren by Cap'n Marti. Why? You don't have beef with Sembler? I mean, we practically made it possible for him to have so many grandchildren, I would think they would like to know where their meals come from.
Maybe it's not Pro Straight what you are doing the way you gather your information all scared and withered and secretive and shitty like you do. Maybe you're just scared and withered and secretive as if you have something to feel guilty about. I am not, for one, scared of people with money who have power over me with their money. I will tell Sembler that he is a pedophile to his face. You wouldn't. You are smarter than that and you tread with too much care Ray (when you hang out with Ray you will see the guilt and games he plays about his things he does, the guy is a guilt monger) and Mike and Sammie and the rest of you out there in the public eye, but the care you tread on is our shoulders who were happy to share our personal information with you after we went through Straight. You should be more unscrupulous with Melvin and his pedophile gang; not those who put their trust in you."
EXACTLY!!! :tup:
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On 2006-03-11 21:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-11 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"wow, I knew I wasn't the only motherfucker that thought Mike Sherman and the rest of his bunch were really Pro Straight. Now I can roll away the med cart, I was starting to believe I wanted it.
I had talked to Cap'n Marti for a bit. Scared her cos she likes females. But she took one for me and decided to talk to me.Curious, the next time I called back around 4 am, noone answered. So, it wasn't really a survivors suicide line much at all.
I am not sure why they gather information the way they do and for what purposes, but it is very invasive and sneaky the way they do it. I still say they are working for Sembler.
There seems to be this high level of anonymity around here, but its not held in any esteem when it comes to gathering information. Mike knows he and his do this gathering very aggressively, but they are not to be questioned about it. Why would he lie about MCG taking a case for survivors, when one phone call made him a total liar? Why would Ray claim to have closed a whole facility by himself and back Mike on these information gathering adventures?
At least we can admit that, yes, their methods are unscrupulous and sad. I am just wondering what they are doing with all that survivor information? It all adds up to a conspiracy theory, or maybe they just don't have any other way of gathering the information. But at least they look very unorganized. I haven't heard anyone comment on becoming organized at these protests, a reason no one really attends.
At two of the 'conventions' they had, I was very surprised to see some of the ways they were gathering information on Straight Inc. Sammie wanted to make sure everyone there got on camera both times. There were sign in sheets that requested phone numbers and requested addresses and full names.
The way Sammie protested on the most current film of the latest protest, where only Sherman and close Pro Straighters attended, you would think she was advocating for the Holocaust Museum itself. "...no sleep, no food."
At the convention, both times Michael Sherman was happy to waive the scholarship fee.
At the protest where Sembler was present we were told not to speak to his children or grandchildren by Cap'n Marti. Why? You don't have beef with Sembler? I mean, we practically made it possible for him to have so many grandchildren, I would think they would like to know where their meals come from.
Maybe it's not Pro Straight what you are doing the way you gather your information all scared and withered and secretive and shitty like you do. Maybe you're just scared and withered and secretive as if you have something to feel guilty about. I am not, for one, scared of people with money who have power over me with their money. I will tell Sembler that he is a pedophile to his face. You wouldn't. You are smarter than that and you tread with too much care Ray (when you hang out with Ray you will see the guilt and games he plays about his things he does, the guy is a guilt monger) and Mike and Sammie and the rest of you out there in the public eye, but the care you tread on is our shoulders who were happy to share our personal information with you after we went through Straight. You should be more unscrupulous with Melvin and his pedophile gang; not those who put their trust in you."
EXACTLY!!! :tup: "
Ditto :tup:
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You know, I just started to really think about this Animals guy. He really really believes that I am pro straight. I now know why he feels this way. Call it mental illness. Ok, Dodd, now I am not pissed at you, or really even care what you have to say anymore. You are mentally ill and I feel compassion for you. Get well. Hope things become better for you in life. I will no longer respond to your posts. I have better things to do and a life I want to live, without you or straight. See ya
Mike
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On 2006-03-12 09:08:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"You know, I just started to really think about this Animals guy. He really really believes that I am pro straight. I now know why he feels this way. Call it mental illness. Ok, Dodd, now I am not pissed at you, or really even care what you have to say anymore. You are mentally ill and I feel compassion for you. Get well. Hope things become better for you in life. I will no longer respond to your posts. I have better things to do and a life I want to live, without you or straight. See ya
Mike"
w/e.
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w/e? what does this mean?
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On 2006-03-12 09:08:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"You know, I just started to really think about this Animals guy. He really really believes that I am pro straight. I now know why he feels this way. Call it mental illness. Ok, Dodd, now I am not pissed at you, or really even care what you have to say anymore. You are mentally ill and I feel compassion for you. Get well. Hope things become better for you in life. I will no longer respond to your posts. I have better things to do and a life I want to live, without you or straight. See ya
Mike"
Look here Mr Liar,that a good attitude to have in life,but that does not change the fact that I called your TOLL FREE NUMBER,had a meeting,and lunch,because I was interested in protesting with you,and the very next day I posted something here that you guys did not agree with,so you guys posted my real name and personal informations HERE on this board.
Im not "Animals".
Im not Dobbs,or Dodd.
You are a liar.
You go on having your positive attitude for the rest of your natural unnatural life,but I tell you again,if you ever cross me again,it will be the last thing you ever do,except for watching me put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wife's cunt.
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You tell 'em, Dobbs!
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On 2006-03-12 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-12 09:08:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"You know, I just started to really think about this Animals guy. He really really believes that I am pro straight. I now know why he feels this way. Call it mental illness. Ok, Dodd, now I am not pissed at you, or really even care what you have to say anymore. You are mentally ill and I feel compassion for you. Get well. Hope things become better for you in life. I will no longer respond to your posts. I have better things to do and a life I want to live, without you or straight. See ya
Mike"
Look here Mr Liar,that a good attitude to have in life,but that does not change the fact that I called your TOLL FREE NUMBER,had a meeting,and lunch,because I was interested in protesting with you,and the very next day I posted something here that you guys did not agree with,so you guys posted my real name and personal informations HERE on this board.
Im not "Animals".
Im not Dobbs,or Dodd.
You are a liar.
You go on having your positive attitude for the rest of your natural unnatural life,but I tell you again,if you ever cross me again,it will be the last thing you ever do,except for watching me put a shotgun blast up your ugly assed wife's cunt."
blah blah blah blah
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On 2006-03-12 18:10:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"You tell 'em, Dobbs! "
You know,its not fair to this "Dobbs" guy for you to write that.
Its this kind of crap that has gotten Mike Sherman in the line of fire.
You go posting real peoples names here,the people who wish to remain anonymous,and then you pay the price.
Mike Sherman has decided to make his name public.
Other people,genuine victims of Straight,choose to remain anonymous.
Mike Sherman chose to advertise his toll free number ,at great expense,on a billboard,then exploit and humiliate the people who called seeking help,or offer to join protests.
I dont care if he is "pro Straight" or not.
Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler have put their families in grave danger because they have used,exploited and lied to people.
After the police discover the dead lifeless bodies,it wont be this "Dobbs" that they will be looking for.
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Would you feel better if I edited that name out?
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On 2006-03-12 18:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-12 18:10:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"You tell 'em, Dobbs! "
You know,its not fair to this "Dobbs" guy for you to write that.
Its this kind of crap that has gotten Mike Sherman in the line of fire.
You go posting real peoples names here,the people who wish to remain anonymous,and then you pay the price.
Mike Sherman has decided to make his name public.
Other people,genuine victims of Straight,choose to remain anonymous.
Mike Sherman chose to advertise his toll free number ,at great expense,on a billboard,then exploit and humiliate the people who called seeking help,or offer to join protests.
I dont care if he is "pro Straight" or not.
Mike Sherman and Chris Tyler have put their families in grave danger because they have used,exploited and lied to people.
After the police discover the dead lifeless bodies,it wont be this "Dobbs" that they will be looking for."
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Dobbs, stand yer ass up, motherfucker.
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Dobbs. Stand yer ass up, motherfucker!
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Dobbs where did you go, man?????
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DOBBS, IS THAT YOU??????? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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no, I am just one among the subgenius species. Not Dobbs, although I'd like to get hold of some of that funky crunk he got in his smoke.
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Phew! Had me shakin' in my boots for a minute there!
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DOBBS!!!!!
Where the hell are ya, buddy?????????
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Mark my words, Dobbs -- if it takes all fucking night I'm gonna get some answers outta you! Enough of this evasive bullshit you've been giving us! Quit fucking with me & fess up!! :flame: