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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: NOT12NOW on February 13, 2006, 10:06:00 AM

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: NOT12NOW on February 13, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
I was wondering.  Those of you, who sang that song to the tune of greensleeves--the seed indeed the version with, "and if you do your legs I'll break."  Did you sing that in open meetings in front of parents?
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
Yes they did.  But don't worry no legs were really broken.  The group made up the song themselves.  Kind of like I'm going to kill you if you do that.  get it.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
Although they did seem to have alot of crutches at one time :???:
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 03:33:00 PM
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On 2006-02-13 12:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes they did.  But don't worry no legs were really broken.  The group made up the song themselves.  Kind of like I'm going to kill you if you do that.  get it."


Yeah, the breaking of bones seems to have started when Smelly broke away and started Straight.

Kinda telling though that the group made those lyrics up.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 04:19:00 PM
"Kinda telling" what?????

You can read anything into anything you choose to I guess.  They were inocent lyrics.  Actually caring words.  Believe it or not.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 04:25:00 PM
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On 2006-02-13 13:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

They were inocent lyrics.  Actually caring words.  Believe it or not.   "


I don't.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Antigen on February 13, 2006, 04:36:00 PM
Me either. I remember looking over at John Murphy on crutches whenever we sang that line at open meetings. Now Ft. Lauderdale tells me it was wholely unrelated, just an innocent accident, nothing to do w/ the program at all. Regardless, I got that message of intimidation and so, evidently, did the 12yo who was on the other side of the state at another time. FWIW, the real words are "and if you do your leg will break. But, just like we had to pretend C-L-I-C-K was the correct spelling for clique, nobody felt any need to correct that little error.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there;  lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid.  She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again---and that is well;  but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
Mark Twain

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 13, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
I think it's   "and if you do your leg I'll break."

Maybe its "and if you do your leg I'll eat" Does that explain the guy with one leg :rofl:

Sorry I could not resist.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 13, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
maybe it was "and if you do your leg I'll steak".

 :scared:
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: NOT12NOW on February 13, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
Innocent, INNOCENT, and why would the fact that the group came up with it mean anything at all? We only "came up with" what we were supposed to.  It wasn't what you'd call a spontantanieos place

loving words indeed, and I've got some land you  might like to buy in florida; (ha,your probably in florida.) No checks
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 14, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Maybe thats how you took it.  I really tried to apply all of it, to tell you the truth...
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
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On 2006-02-14 09:31:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:

"Maybe thats how you took it.  I really tried to apply all of it, to tell you the truth..."


 :eek:   Did ya break any legs?
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 14, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
No.   But I did break a few of my own toes.

It wasn't like I was stepping on anyone else's toes.  I would have an occassional toe break playing football on the beach.

What's that saying.  "You can pick your friends and you can pick your toes but you can't pick your friends toes.   ... or is that nose? :rofl:
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
personally the thing I hated the worse about that song was the glorification of this;

"we come each day from 10 to 10 adn if you screw up you start again".

I would have taken a broken leg over that shit any day!
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
I don't know about that.  If you would have gotten a broken leg, maybe you'd be spending the rest of your life complaining about how they broke your leg.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
nice. Belittle those that don't agree.  

After all, its the seedling way!
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
If you call that belittling, you do have a problem.  Thats just my opinion like you have yours.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 15, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
that someone would complain the rest of their life over something, merely because they take contrary position than you do?

No, that is trying to reduce your opponent instead of reducing your oponents argument. It is called an ad hominem attack.

Here, let me help..



http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... minem.html (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html)

Understand this.  Ad hominems weren't only encouraged at the seed, they were required.  That is perhaps why so many of us do attack the messenger in arguments.  It is such a bad, antis social  idea.  I know I have struggled with it thru my years.

Something for all of us to work on.

[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-02-15 12:08 ]
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Antigen on February 16, 2006, 11:27:00 AM
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On 2006-02-15 06:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

If you call that belittling, you do have a problem.  


 :rofl:  :rofl:

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
Is Eudora a Whiches name?
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
Present company excluded, of course.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
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On 2006-02-16 10:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is Eudora a Whiches name? "


Click the link "Why I live at the PO" in her signature line, that explains who Eudora is.  Great story too!
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Antigen on February 17, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
Well? Do ya get it, he who's name must never be spoken?

Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.

 


MARGARET MITCHELL

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: marshall on February 17, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
anon wrote:
" Is Eudora a Whiches name?"

I think some folks may be confusing Eudora with Endora. Endora was a witch on the old sitcom "Bewitched". She was Samantha's mother. Character was played by Agnes Moorehead. I loved that show (still watch it sometimes on tvland) & was in love with Samantha when I was a little tyke. (& no, Tyke is not a butch lesbian either)

BTW, Just curious; did anyone else ever have a crush on any tv characters as a child? I literally cried when my mom told me I probably couldn't marry Ginger (tina louise) from Gilligan's Island when I grew up.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: cleveland on February 17, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Totally had crushes on Ginger (but Marianne was more my taste, Samantha, and Agent 99 on Get Smart. Thought Wilma Flintstone was cute, too.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 17, 2006, 11:46:00 AM
I loved "Lucy'  & had a crush on Marlo Thomas in "That Girl" .  Sally Fields was the one that really stole my heart. :grin:
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: cleveland on February 17, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
I remember when my nephew had a crush on Snow White. He would watch the video over and over again - he was clearly in love. He was four! I guess this is in the male DNA.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 17, 2006, 02:49:00 PM
I know what you mean.  There seems to be a few videos that I can watch over and over again as well. :grin:
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: marshall on February 17, 2006, 03:24:00 PM
Can't believe no-one's mentioned Jeannie yet. Barbara Eden in that little outfit...wow. I'd forgotten agent 99 and That Girl. I had a thing for a witch on Dark Shadows named Angelique too. Man, I was such a little perv, I loved em all. Lauderdale, you're the first guy I've heard mention Lucy. And a flying NUN frchrisake? How many hail mary's did that get you? I never fell for any cartoon characters though. Snow White, huh? My grandkids went through a stage where they watched The Wizard of Oz over and over...which reminds me...I was in love with Dorothy too! Is this really a male thing or do little girls do this too? And to bring it back on topic...why didn't we ever discuss this in guy's raps? It might have been funny.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 17, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
Marshall, actually it wasn't so much flyin nun as gidget.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 17, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
but it is hard to kick the "habit"
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: marcwordsmith on February 19, 2006, 01:30:00 AM
I too was in love with Angelique, the evil but beautiful witch on Dark Shadows. It was scary to feel helplessly attracted to such a diabolical lady. One of her favorite tricks, when people were trying to exorcise a curse or something, was to make the whole room go up in flames while her tinkling angelic laughter filled the smoky air, as people desperately struggled to escape or put out the fire.

All in all, I guess, it was a little like having a crush on Suzie Connors at the Seed.

(Just kidding, Suzie, if you're out there. You weren't quite THAT bad.)
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 19, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
Sorry, this post lost
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 19, 2006, 10:22:00 AM
Sorry, this post lost
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 20, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Sorry for the lost posts.

It seems Ft Lauderdale has informed me the Cranbrook girls had dubbed me "whitey Corvette".

I responded with I understood the "whitey" part seeing as I have white skin and back then, long almost white hair.

I think I got the "corvette" part now.  Back then I had a Corvette-yellow Opal GT, which was kind of a poor man's corvette. (at least it kind of was shaped that way).

I am assuming several things..help me here Ft Lauderdale.

1) either some of the girls recognized me from St Pete and observed me coming and going

or

2)  the girls recognized me coming and going after the incident by the pool with Art and Me.




Would you mind telling me which?

Thanks!
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 21, 2006, 09:48:00 AM
Greg - Probably both...

Unless you mooned them. ::kma::  :grin:
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Post by: GregFL on February 21, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
Well, you must have had some conversation if you got that information.  Do tell my friend..just what was said.  My ears are burning!
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 22, 2006, 08:02:00 AM
Someone told me (are we hanging wash on the closeline right now, cause thats what it feels like.) after reading our posts back and forth months ago that they thought that "greg" was Whitey Corvette.  I said what. Whos that? They said yeah he(you) was like a kid that thought he was a little hot shot. So they nicknamed you whitey corvette. She was one of the girls that lived in one of the apts back then.  I asked her if she remembered any kind of "Pool incident" she said vaguely.  Thats all the facts I know sir.  I truly never heard of any "pool incident"  I lived at Cranbrook Club too.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 22, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
Thanks and very interesting.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Antigen on February 22, 2006, 02:26:00 PM
Sounds to me asif the Seed chicks had a crush on ya, buddy!  :rofl:

Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 22, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
more like a morbid fascination.  I mean, obviously they knew I was an ex seedling, I was cocky, and I dared to confront Art in Public.  This must have been what made them stop and take notice.  Funny, other than the incident by the pool, I almost never knew they were there as I buzzed in and out in my little yellow opal.

Whitey corvette...lol...at myself!
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Post by: SHH on February 23, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
My husband stood up when a politician was there at the Seed one day and dared to question national drug policy back then. He got severely punished for that one. I cant remember which politician it was.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: cleveland on February 23, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
Was is Ed Muskie?
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Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
What year? date? Location?
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Post by: SHH on February 23, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
1971-72'ish....Ft Lauderdale
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Post by: Antigen on February 23, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
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On 2006-02-22 16:58:00, GregFL wrote:

 I mean, obviously they knew I was an ex seedling, I was cocky, and I dared to confront Art in Public.


Uh huh, that and the long hair and muscle car. All the stuff teeniebopper crushes are made of.

If you believe that people cannot be trusted to govern themselves,
then can they be trusted to govern others?
 
--Thomas Jefferson

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: cleveland on February 24, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
There's a story Art used to tell about how Ed Muskie visited the Tt. Laud. Seed, and afterwords the media grilled him about either his or his wife's treatment for depression - he cried, it made the national headlines, and he later withdrew from the race. I've seen the newspaper article.

Art always used that story as an illustration of how the media can make a story out of a trivial event.

I bet a quick online search would turn this up.
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Post by: SHH on February 24, 2006, 09:06:00 AM
That was the same incident that my husband described. I guess it was Muskie that visited that day when he stood up.
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Post by: cleveland on February 24, 2006, 05:04:00 PM
From wikkipedia:

"Many also blame Muskie's loss on his emotional defense of his wife, Jane Muskie, after the Manchester Union-Leader, a conservative newspaper criticized Mrs. Muskie. Muskie seemingly wept as he spoke outside the newspaper's offices, yet he would later claim that what seemed to be tears were actually melted snowflakes. Had this not been a controversy, many question whether Muskie would have won the nomination and gone on to defeat President Nixon."

So this indicates it didn't happen outside of the Seed, as Art said. Or perhaps I misunderstood the story.
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 24, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
damn, who knows. He was however, at the seed at that time.  It is reported in the newspaper.
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Post by: Antigen on February 25, 2006, 08:11:00 AM
Was Muskie a Yenzer? Maybe he just cried every time somebody shoved a camera in his face?

I am not a great believer in school. School is primarily an institution for the perpetuation of adolescence...The thought that school educates is not one I have accepted yet...Thank God I am not young. I could not survive this horror.
--Peter F. Drucker

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
You big tough meanie.  I bet your too mean to cry?
Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Antigen on February 25, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
LOL, just keep an eye out now that I've mentioned it. You'll see. Every time some yenzer gets on national tv, he cries. Doesn't matter why--tragic news story or heart warming human interest thing--yenzers will cry!

G:   "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB:  "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: GregFL on February 25, 2006, 07:10:00 PM
ignorant time....


er, whats a yenzer?
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Post by: Ft. Lauderdale on February 26, 2006, 09:10:00 AM
I think it's a male Japanese dollar vs yenmam a female japanese dollar :grin:
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Post by: Antigen on February 26, 2006, 02:05:00 PM
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On 2006-02-25 16:10:00, GregFL wrote:

"ignorant time....





er, whats a yenzer?



"


Ppl from around here, some of them, call their friends yenz the way southerners use ya'll. It's You ones or yunz but w/ the local brough it comes out like yenz. Also, interestingly enough, they don't have feelings, even though they cry for joy so much. They have fillings.

Fillings
My dentist gives me fillings
But first he gives me drillings
That rattle my heeeeaaaaaad...

Fiiiiiilings
Oh, whoah, whoah, whoah fiiiiiliiiings...  

There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry

Title: the seed indeed
Post by: Johnny G on February 27, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
Yenz go'in donton after the Stilers game?
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Post by: Antigen on February 27, 2006, 10:47:00 AM
Naw, it's slippy out and the dog needs walked.

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist