Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
Please leave
Dear muslims,
If you do not like my country, please leave.
If you do not like the way our women dress, please leave.
If you do not like our separation of politics and religion, please leave.
If you support violent responses to criticism of Islam, please leave.
If you support terrorism in any way, shape or form, please leave.
If you cannot accept satirical cartoons in our newspapers, please leave.
If you do not support democracy or the freedom of speech, please leave my country.
::armed:: [ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-05 14:48 ]
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Associated Press
Published: Sunday, February 05, 2006
AMSTERDAM -- A Belgian-Dutch Islamic political organization has posted anti-Jewish cartoons on its website.
It's in response to the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in Danish papers, triggering violent demonstrations by Muslims.
The cartoons are posted on the Arab European League's site.
The site carries a disclaimer saying the images are being shown as part of an exercise in free speech rather than to endorse their content -- just as European newspapers have reprinted the Danish cartoons.
One of the AEL cartoons is of famed Dutch Holocaust victim Anne Frank in bed with Adolf Hitler.
Another questions whether the Holocaust actually occurred.
from: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... a9&k=40728 (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=bff5ea8f-115d-43dc-b135-e65ae7f040a9&k=40728)
::unhappy::
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
AEL will launch Cartoon campaign
03 feburary, 2006 ; Posted 11 : 4 PM
After the lectures that Arabs and Muslims received from Europeans on Freedom of Speech and on Tolerance. And after that many European newspapers republished the Danish cartoons on the Prophet Mohammed. AEL decided to enter the cartoon business and to use our right to artistic expression.
Just like the newspapers in Europe claim that they only want to defend the freedom of speech and do not desire to stigmatise Muslims,we also do stress that our cartoons are not meant as an offence to anybody and ought not to be taken as a statement against any group, community or historical fact.
If it is the time to break Taboos and cross all the red lines, we certainly do not want to stay behind.
they certainly arent pulling any punches
(http://http://www.arabeuropean.org/articleImages/0204200611391005051_hitler%5B2%5D.JPG)
http://www.arabeuropean.org/article.php?ID=100 (http://www.arabeuropean.org/article.php?ID=100)
Post by: Antigen on February 05, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
Nobody's going to drop bombs or kill anybody over anti Isreali/American cartoons, will they? Come on! We're far too civilized for that, aren't we?
Or maybe they're talking to us and they've got a point.
Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission
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Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
Three people were killed when police in Afghanistan fired on protesters after a police station came under attack, a government spokesman said.
In Somalia, a 14-year-old boy was shot dead and several others were injured after protesters attacked the police.
Demonstrations have also been taking place in India, Thailand, Indonesia, Iran and Gaza.
They followed attacks on Danish embassies in Syria and Lebanon over the weekend. The cartoons were first published in a Danish newspaper.
Monday's deaths were thought to be the first, but officials in Lebanon have now confirmed that a demonstrator died on Sunday after jumping from the third floor of the Danish embassy in Beirut to escape a fire.
Nationwide rallies
Hundreds of people took part in the morning demonstration in Afghanistan's Laghman province, in a second day of protests in the city.
The province's director of information, Hamraz Ningarhari, told the BBC that a policeman and a number of other people were injured.
Demonstrators shouted "death to Denmark" and "death to France", and called for diplomats and soldiers from both countries to be kicked out of Afghanistan.
Both France and Denmark sent troops to Afghanistan as part of international efforts in the US-led "war on terror".
"They want to test our feelings," protester Mawli Abdul Qahar Abu Israra told the BBC.
"They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers," he said.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai reiterated his condemnation of the cartoons and called on western nations to take "a strong measure" to ensure such cartoons do not appear again. "It's not good for anybody," he told CNN.
Across Afghanistan, hundreds protested in Kandahar and Mazar-e-Sharif, while 200 demonstrators gathered outside the Danish embassy in the capital, Kabul.
In the north-eastern province of Takhar, demonstrators threw stones at government buildings and police fired in the air.
Protests continue
In the port city of Bosaso, in the autonomous Somali region of Puntland, police shot dead one protester and three more were injured after demonstrators threw stones and barricaded streets outside international aid agency buildings.
Peaceful protests were held in several other Somali towns.
In escalating demonstrations around the world:
* A crowd of about 200 people used stones to smash windows at the Austrian embassy in Tehran, and firecrackers and smoke bombs were set off
* In Indonesia, police fired warning shots at protesters outside the US consulate in Surabaya, the country's second largest city. Earlier, demonstrators hurled stones and broke windows at the Danish consulate in the city, and there were protests in the capital, Jakarta
* Riot police in the Indian capital, Delhi, fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse hundreds of students protesting against the cartoons
* Shops and businesses across Indian-administered Kashmir were closed after a general strike was called in protest at the drawings
* In Thailand, protesters shouted "God is great" and stamped on Denmark's flag outside the country's embassy in Bangkok, the Associated Press news agency reported
* There were protests outside the European Union offices in Gaza, following demonstrations there last week.
The cartoons first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and caused outrage among Muslims, who consider any images of Muhammad offensive.
One of the cartoons shows Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban.
Newspapers across Europe republished the pictures last week, saying they were defending freedom of expression.
CARTOON ROW
30 Sept 2005: Danish paper publishes cartoons
20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM
10 Jan 2006: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons
4 Feb: Syrians attack Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus
5 Feb: Protesters sack Danish embassy in Beirut
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm)
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
Farid Mortazavi, graphics editor for Tehran's Hamshahri newspaper, said that the deliberately inflammatory contest would test out how committed Europeans were to the concept freedom of expression.
"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let�s see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons," he said.
Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said that victims of the Holocaust and their families were growing used to insults from Iran. "It's just very sad," she told Times Online.
Iran�s regime is supportive of Holocaust revisionist historians, who maintain that the slaughter of Europe�s Jews during the Second World War was invented or exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel on Palestinian territory.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad courted international denunciation recently when he argued for Israel to be "wiped off the map". The President's vitriolic attacks on Israel have further soured relations with the West, already at loggerheads over the republic's nuclear research programme.
Mr Mortazavi said that tomorrow's edition of the paper would invite cartoonists to enter the competition, with gold coins as prizes for the 12 winning artists -- the same number of cartoons that appeared in the conservative Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten lighting the touchpaper for fury which has swept around the Islamic world.
Last week the Iranian Foreign Ministry invited Tony Blair to Tehran to take part in a planned conference on the Holocaust. Mr Blair said that such a conference was "shocking, ridiculous, stupid". The Prime Minister responded by inviting Mr Ahmadinejad to witness the evidence of the Holocaust in the countries of Europe.
Public protests against the publication of the cartoons have been relatively calm in Iran, although a crowd of about 200 smashed the windows of the Austrian Embassy in Tehran today.
The protesters, chanting "God is Greatest" and "Europe, Europe, shame on you", smashed all the diplomatic mission�s windows with stones and then tried to hurl petrol bombs inside.
Iran has withdrawn its ambassador to Denmark and has said it plans to review trade ties with all countries where the cartoons were published.
Mr Ahmadinejad has criticised the argument of freedom of speech employed by European newspapers to justify publication of the cartoons.
"If your newspapers are free why do not they publish anything about the innocence of the Palestinians and protest against the crimes committed by the Zionists?" the Mehr news agency quoted him as saying.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... attr=World (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2027749,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World)
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
Officers were searching for the boy aged around 14 or 15, according to a police official who declined to be identified because of rules that bar Turkish civil servants from speaking to journalists without prior authorization.
The police official would not say if the attack might be linked to the printing in European newspapers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, which has caused anger in Muslim countries. Earlier Sunday, hundreds of Turks protested in Istanbul against the cartoons.
"Whether the killing is linked to the caricatures will emerge when the culprit has been caught," Trabzon's Gov. Huseyin Yavuzdemir said.
The priest, 60-year-old Andrea Santoro, was shot hours after Mass at Santa Maria Church.
A woman who answered the telephone at the church said the priest was inside when he was attacked, and prosecutor Burhan Cobanoglu said he was shot twice from behind, with bullets ripping through his heart and liver.
Pope Benedict XVI's envoy in Turkey, Monsignor Antonio Lucibello, said he had spoken by telephone with a witness who said she saw the attacker fleeing and "heard the young man shout 'Allah Akbar' (God is Great)."'
Lucibello declined to speculate on the motive for the killing, but said there were "no elements" to link the attack with the protests over the newspaper cartoons.
Turkey's government denounced the attack.
"We condemn with hatred the fact that the murder was committed in a house of worship against a man of religion," said Justice Minister Cemil Cicek.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183879,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183879,00.html)
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 03:24:00 PM
From an article on their website:
The insulting of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) is something that the Muslims cannot and will not tolerate and the punishment in Islam for the one who does so is death. This is the sunnah of the prophet and the verdict of Islam upon such people, one that any Muslim is able execute.
They are protesting outside the Danish Embassy today. Picture above courtesy of New Humanist Magazine.
(Tipped from PP comments)
Monitor @ 1:49 pm
http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/ (http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/)
Post by: try another castle on February 06, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-02-06 09:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why are the arabs laying into the Jews so much with their cartoons? Aren't most Danes, and most of Europe, afterall.... Christian? :???: "
According to these guys, the jews are behind everything. We are evil and have our fingers in every pie.
Remember, these are the same people who believed that Barbie was a jewish plot to westernize the arab world with ideas about women being sluts.
I know, Barbie is sooo semitic in appearance, so I could see how they could get confused on the matter.
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
:lol:
Post by: try another castle on February 06, 2006, 07:17:00 PM
Next, I want to see Ken with payos. (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payot)
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2006, 08:16:00 PM
... 613 commandments huh... glad I dont have to follow that set of rules.. sheesh! payos.. :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
By DANIEL COONEY, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
KABUL, Afghanistan -
NATO peacekeepers exchanged fire with protesters who attacked their base Tuesday in the second straight day of violent demonstrations in
Afghanistan over the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, Afghan officials said. One demonstrator was killed and dozens wounded.
In neighboring Pakistan, 5,000 people chanting "Hang the man who insulted the prophet" burned effigies of one cartoonist and Denmark's prime minister. And a prominent Iranian newspaper said it was going to hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust in reaction to European newspapers publishing the prophet drawings.
Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the West's publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons was an Israeli conspiracy motivated by anger over the victory of the militant Hamas group in the Palestinian elections last month. "The West condemns any denial of the Jewish holocaust, but it permits the insult of Islamic sanctities," Khamenei said.
The NATO troops, most of them Norwegian, fired on hundreds of protesters outside the base in Maymana after the demonstrators shot at them and threw grenades, said provincial Gov. Mohammed Latif. The protesters also burned an armored vehicle, a U.N. car and guard posts, prompting NATO peacekeepers to rush British reinforcements to the city.
Maymana Hospital said one protester was shot dead and six were wounded, while some 50 others were hurt by tear gas the peacekeepers used to disperse the demonstrators.
One Norwegian soldier was injured by a splinter from a grenade, while another was hurt by a flying rock. Two Finnish soldiers were also hurt, Sverre Diesen, the Norwegian military commander, told reporters in Oslo.
Diesen said two American A-10 attack aircraft were on their way to the city and that a German C-130 transport plane was on standby in case some troops needed to evacuated.
U.N. spokesman Adrian Edwards said the world body's nonessential staff in Maymana were being driven from the city to an undisclosed location for security reasons.
The cartoons were first published by a Danish newspaper in September, then reprinted by a Norwegian newspaper last month, setting off violent protests against the two countries across the Muslim world. The cartoons have subsequently been reprinted in other media, mostly in Europe.
The drawings � including one depicting the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb � have touched a raw nerve in part because Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of the Prophet Muhammad for fear they could lead to idolatry.
In the Afghan capital of Kabul, police used batons to beat stone-throwing protesters outside the Danish diplomatic mission office and near the offices of the
World Bank on Tuesday. An Associated Press reporter saw police arrest several people, many of whom were injured.
Security had already been tightened in Kabul, home to some 3,000 foreign diplomats, aid workers and others. Police have set up barricades and peacekeepers have been on constant patrol.
More than 3,000 protesters threw stones at government buildings and an Italian peacekeeping base in the western city of Herat, but no one was injured, said a witness, Faridoon Pooyaa. Provincial administrator Asiluddin Jami said police fired warning shots to prevent the demonstrators from entering the buildings and the base.
About 5,000 people clashed with police in Pulikhumri town, north of Kabul, said Sayed Afandi, a police commander. There were no reports of injuries.
Police in about half a dozen other towns and cities across Afghanistan reported thousands of people protesting.
Demonstrations have been held across Afghanistan since last week, with the size of the crowds progressively swelling. On Monday, four people were killed and at least 19 hurt during clashes, including one outside Bagram, the main U.S. military base.
The protest in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar was the largest to date in that Muslim country against the prophet drawings. There were no reports of violence.
Chief Minister Akram Durrani, the province's top elected official who led the rally, demanded the cartoonists "be punished like a terrorist."
"Islam is a religion of peace. It insists that all other religions and faiths should be respected," he told the crowd. "Nobody has the right to insult Islam and hurt the feelings of Muslims."
The Iranian newspaper Hamshahri invited foreign cartoonists to enter its Holocaust cartoon competition, which it said would be launched on Feb. 13. The newspaper is owned by the Tehran Municipality, which is dominated by allies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is well known for his opposition to
Israel.
Last year, Ahmadinejad provoked outcries when he said on separate occasions that Israel should be "wiped off the map" and the Holocaust was a "myth."
Elsewhere, China criticized newspapers for publishing the cartoons and appealed for calm among outraged Muslims. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan said publishing the cartoons "runs counter to the principle that different religions and civilizations should respect each other and live together in peace and harmony."
Danish citizens were also advised to leave Indonesia, where rowdy protests were held in at least four cities Tuesday. Danish missions, which have been repeatedly targeted by protesters, have been shut because of security concerns, said Niels Erik Anderson, the country's ambassador to Indonesia.
Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said his government had temporarily closed diplomatic missions in Palestinian territories � where it shares a building with the Danish mission. He warned his citizens to be wary if traveling to the Middle East.
Media in both Australia and New Zealand have also published the images.
source (http://http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings;_ylt=AkVJuMLis3EK81nmEHpfd8as0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2006, 10:14:00 AM
Iran has reacted to Denmark�s publishing of the cartoons in turn. The largest state newspaper Hamshahiri which holds conservative views has announced that it will hold a competition to find the most amusing cartoon based on the theme of the Holocaust.
The rules of the competition will be published in a number of newspapers which are printed on Tuesday. The twelve people that send in the best cartoons will each receive gold rings from unnamed private individuals. It was decided that twelve prizes would be awarded since this is the number of cartoons portraying the Prophet Mohammed which were published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
The graphic editor of the Iranian newspaper Farid Mortazawi said, �Western newspapers which printed these sacrilegious cartoons defend themselves by speaking of freedom of speech and self-expression. Therefore we shall see if they really follow these principles and will print the cartoons about the Holocaust.�
Yesterday a wave of protests by Muslims swept through Iran in connection with the publication of the cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed. Protestors tried to storm the building of the Danish Embassy in Tehran. Demonstrators threw petrol bombs and stones, broke windows and set fire to flags, chanted slogans against European countries, the USA and Israel. In the end the Iranian police managed to dispel the disturbances with tear gas. The mass demonstrations became more peaceful and had stopped by Tuesday morning. Police got the situation under control and eventually the protestors all dispersed. Interfax has said that according to official data given by the Iranians the embassy suffered only minor damage.
The conflict has arisen due to the publication in European newspapers of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed. The cartoons were first printed last September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and have lead to mass protests by Muslims who have sacked and set fire to the embassies of European countries. The dispute is now even threatening to escalate and become a new source of conflict for civilization as a whole.
The fact that the embassies in Iran have connected the West�s decision to forbid Iran from making an atomic bomb and the cartoon scandal has played a significant role in the worsening of the situation.
Iran considers that the West in taking such action aims to insult and belittle the Muslim people and they have declared that the Islamic world will triumph.
The current objective of Iran is to cover up the controversy over their nuclear program with the �cartoon� scandal and they are attempting to bring the attention of the whole Muslim world to the huge conflict. Tehran is trying to call upon all Muslims to stage mass protests against the hostility shown towards Iran .
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Russia has spoken about the ongoing scandal and announced that the indignation felt by Iran is entirely predictable. However in some countries this reaction has led to unacceptable acts of vandalism towards foreign embassies.
One state official, a leading figure in the Russian Federation, has disregarded state law and has taken his own measures in connection with the instigators of the scandal.
Meanwhile, Ramzan Kadyrov, who is fulfilling the duties of the Prime Minster of Chechnya, has announced that the republic will no longer admit Danish organizations.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/07- ... olocaust-0 (http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/07-02-2006/75535-holocaust-0)
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Hmmm .. what could possibly go wrong? :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
Wednesday February 8, 2006
The Danish paper responsible for the original caricatures of the prophet Muhammad is set to stoke the row further by running cartoons satirising the Holocaust.
Flemming Rose, the culture editor of Danish daily Jyllands-Posten, said today he was trying to get in touch with the Iranian paper, Hamshari, which plans to run an international competition seeking cartoons about the Holocaust.
"My newspaper is trying to establish a contact with the Iranian newspaper, and we would run the cartoons the same day as they publish them," Mr Rose told CNN.
The Danish editor was also defiantly unapologetic about the original publication of 12 cartoons - one of which featured the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb - in his paper five months ago.
Mr Rose said he did not regret publishing the pictures.
"I think it is like asking a rape victim if she regrets wearing a short skirt at a discotheque [on] Friday night," he said.
"If you're wearing a short skirt that does not necessarily mean you invite everybody to have sex with you. If you make a cartoon, make fun of religion, make fun of religious figures, that does not imply that you humiliate or denigrate or marginalise a religion."
The backlash continued in Denmark today, where almost 1,000 Danish websites have been defaced by Islamic hackers protesting about the cartoons.
Images of Muhammad have been replaced with pro-Islam messages and condemnation of the cartoons' publication.
"We have never seen so many defacements that are politically targeted in such a short time," said Roberto Preatoni, the founder and administrator of hacking monitor service, Zone-H.
"What is extraordinary for this Danish case is the speed in which the community united," he told the BBC.
Websites have been hacked to include messages calling for boycotts of Danish goods and warnings that the Danes should expect a violent response.
More than 900 Danish websites have been hacked, with a further 1,600 western sites attacked and defaced.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotes ... 99,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1705299,00.html)
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The neverending story... couldnt make this shit up. :lol: What... huh... did you say .. cartoons started this?
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Posted by DAN SAVAGE at 01:06 PM
Okay, it�s on Seattle�s light poles, and not in any of Seattle�s newspapers�yet�but I was pleased to find this flyer tacked up on Capitol Hill this morning.
(http://http://www.thestranger.com/blog/archives/freespeech.jpg)
I�m not sure where the quote is from, or if the person or persons behind the poster wrote it. Either way, I love it. I couldn�t agree more. Bravo. If the folks who did this are reading this blog, keep putting �em up!
And the appearance of this poster on Capitol Hill�the most liberal neighborhood in one of the West Coast�s most liberal cities�gives the lie to this right-wing talking point: The left doesn�t care about this issue, and is willing to cede free speech to mollify Islamic haters. It�s not true, and this poster is evidence that it�s not true.
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http://www.thestranger.com/blog/archive ... hp#a004183 (http://www.thestranger.com/blog/archives/2006/02/05-11.php#a004183)
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Cartoons 'part of Zionist plot'
The furious international row over the publication of cartoons satirising the prophet Muhammad intensified today when Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, claimed it was an Israeli conspiracy motivated by anger over Hamas's win in the Palestinian elections.
Iran today also announced it was suspending all trade and economic ties with Denmark in protest of the caricatures. The move came after the EU had warned Iran that boycotting Danish goods would place further strain on already frosty relations.
more at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotes ... 74,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1704174,00.html)
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 10:33:00 AM
More about the cartoons
This is really getting interesting.
For those who found it more than a little suspicious that five-month old Mohammed cartoons would suddenly cause such commotion, just as the U.S. is building a case for invading Iran, this news makes more than a little sense:
Did you know that the cartoons that were offensive to Muslims were printed in a newspaper in Egypt? On October 17, 2005? During Ramadan?
Yep. Check it out. Also click the links at the bottom of the story for some great commentary by a Muslim regarding this news.
Also, go to Rantings of a Sandmonkey, a pro-U.S. Egyptian blogger who has also posted the photos and has a bit to say about the subject:
Guess we will have to Boycott Egypt now as well, huh?
Now while the arab islamic population was going crazy over the outrage created by their government's media over these cartoons, their governments was benifitting from its people's distraction. The Saudi royal Family used it to distract its people from the outrage over the Hajj stampede. The Jordanian government used it to distract its people from their new minimum wage law demanded by their labor unions. The Syrian Government used it to create secterian division in Lebanon and change the focus on the Harriri murder. And, finally, the Egyptian government is using it to distract us while it passes through the new Judiciary reforms and Social Security Bill- which will cut over $300 million dollars in benefits to some of Egypt's poorest families. But, see, the people were not paying attention, because they were too busy defending the prophet by sending out millions of e-mails and SMS-messages, boycotting cheese and Lego and burning Butter and the danish Flag. Let's not even mention the idiots who went the usual route of "It's a jewish conspiracy", spouted the stupid argument about the Holocaust, or went on a diatribe with the old favorite "There is an organized campaign-headed by the west and the jews- to attack and discredit Islam, and we have to defend it". They proved, once again, that the arab world is retarded and deserves no better than its leaders.
The "spontaneous riots" that have gone on certainly had everything going in their favor, including busloads of Syrian protesters and a huge supply of Danish flags for burning. Real spontaneous, I'd say.
more
http://mixtersmix.blogspot.com/2006/02/ ... toons.html (http://mixtersmix.blogspot.com/2006/02/more-about-cartoons.html)
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
Aparently I sent the the show's producers an email and I must have written something smart because they seemed pretty eager to get me on. I was also a little tipsy when I sent that email, I don't even remember what I said. But still, I was flattered and happy to oblige. After all what better way to get to the bottom of this story, than to pose questions directly to the protagonists themselves? What a scoop!
My chat with the Imam was terribly disconcerting. He was the spokesman for the Muslim cleric's organization that almost single-handedly ensured distribution of these images in the Muslim world. I wanted to know what did he hope to accomplish by taking these cartoons public. It seemed like a fair question, a good place to begin. But the Imam would have nothing of it. After hearing him ramble incoherently for a while the BBC reported stepped in and reminded him of my question. I must confess that what I found so troubling about the Imam's reply was the anger in his voice and the voracity with which he avoided adressing my questions. The transcript of our chat follows.
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Reporter:
We have Jay on the line from New Jersey in the U.S............
Jay:
First of all, this story is definitely getting a ton of play in the media here in the United States, umm, but I really don't believe that these pictures of Muhammad--which are causing so much controversy--really inform a negative stereotype of Muslims as much as watching people buring down embassies does, quite frankly. I guess my question for Imam Mustapha is what were your motives, what were you hoping to accomplish by, ummm you know, encouraging distribution of these images in the Middle East? There's so much energy going into these protests--aparently three people were killed today at a protest in Afghanastan--I guess I'm wondering if you're trying to encourage some kind of dialogue or were you, you know, just trying to get people angry?
Imam Mustapha:
Can I have a word now?
Reporter:
Indeed....
Imam:
Yes actually, I mean we have to make something clear, to clarify something which is very very important. Nobody has to tell about freedom of speech because, in the Bible, ummm, in the Old Testament, God I mean Allah was speaking to Satan and gave him the chance to clarify what he said to Adam. Freedom of dialogue isn't freedom to insult, insulting Islam! You can criticize, you're not supposed to believe in Muhammad if you don't like to! But criticizing, but you can criticize, but it's insulting. So if you're insulting something else, I mean, Mr. Levy tried to run away! I mean, he praises loudly Hitler for example, for what he did to the Jews, he can not of course, not....
Reporter:
Ok, but Imam with all due respect, We've asked you to answer Jay's question......
Imam:
What his question was? Yesterday our committee, we have welcomed, umm, since we are starting this, we have started with the dialogue now. We have welcomed the call of the (Danish) Foreign Minister and State Minister and let's together and make a delegation and, well, because I am living in Denmark I want only peace for my country, the country I'm living in.
Reporter:
Do you take any responsibility for the lives lost and the damage done?
Imam:
Eh, no! I should not take any responsibility but I condemn what's happening, but actually if anything is happening--harm I mean--the damage at the embassy it's because of you (refering to Levy) not because of us! This newspaper is hurting 1.2 billion of Muslims who, at least, I mean, being civilized to say, "I'm sorry, I did not mean that." An expression we can accept. As for the violence, it's not in my hands to stop everything. But we have welcomed that that we have sent a letter to foreign minister, that we are calling for dialogue. Then we can sit together and make a dedication to go and stop this. It's only crazy people who like what happened in Iran! Nobody likes, very hurting what's happening and we are very sorry for what happened because the people, but we can not control all of them. And about the prophet Muhammad, these big writers and thousands of others, they know he's our prophet.....
Reporter:
Ok, Imam, let me stop you there 'cuz we've got a lot of people who want to get on and speak with you. But let me give Jay a brief opportunity to respond. Jay does that answer your question? Is that sufficient?
Jay:
Not really Sir, but let me take this opportunity to apologize if you and your Muslim brothers and sisters took offense at these images. But I don't wanna make this a free speech argument. What I am suggesting that all this response to the controversy, which i believe you, umm, I believe was sort of predicated on your own ambition. It's, you know, a lot of energy and attention is going toward this and no one is thinking about, um, all this wasted effort. This isn't going to get the Danish troops out of Iraq, this isn't going to address the Palestine question, this isn't gonna accomplish any of the goals of the Muslim community here or abroad. Or is it?
Reporter:
Are you trying to say that, to suggest that Muslims aren't putting enough effort into protesting against violence or hostage-taking, this type of thing? Is that what you're getting at, Jay?
Jay:
Not, not exactly. What I'm saying is that I find it very curious that there is such an uproar over comics. Maybe this is my own culture-bound western sensibility, but quite frankly-- instead of ostensibly inciting violence-- maybe a more appropriate response would have been for the Imam to challenge Muslim cartoonists to parody Danish culture.
Reporter: Thanks Jay very much indeed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it me or is this guy nuts? Here's the mouthpiece of the radical Muslim cleric's organization that made it their business to inflame tensions in the Muslim and Arab world with these cartoons, and he's trying to tell me that he seeks to encourage peaceful dialogue between the east and west. Sounds like a bunch of hooey to me. I hate to say it, but chatting with a radical Imam really reminded me who the enemy is here.
Listen for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
(I hope to have it on mp3 later tonight.)
http://einkleinesblog.blogspot.com/2006 ... r-and.html (http://einkleinesblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/homosexual-newspaper-editor-and.html)
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
I think they should market toilet paper too!
Post by: try another castle on February 11, 2006, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
(http://http://www.dfulmer.com/daveynin/images/saddam_capture.jpg)
But it's okay when we do it. Alluah akbar! Durka durka durka!
-Your friendly Arab neighbor
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 12:27:00 AM
(http://http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/arab/cartoons/8-3-02-Al-Ahram-Al-Arabi_400.jpg)
Hypocrites them arab protestors, are.
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
(http://http://peace.mennolink.org/resources/clipart/leojpeace1.gif)
(http://http://www.geocities.com/flaminflamer/art/jesus.JPG)
(http://http://jesuspolitics.typepad.com/jesus_politics/images/cartoon20041116.gif)
my favorite lol
(http://http://www.realmagazine.com/graphics/2005_04_14jesus1.jpg)
(http://http://www.realmagazine.com/graphics/2005_04_14jesus3.jpg)
I don't fear for my life for showing these. Go figure.
Post by: try another castle on February 11, 2006, 03:22:00 AM
Green Bay, WI - Like a pot of bratwurst left unattended at a Lambeau Field pregame party, simmering tensions in the strife-torn Midwest boiled over once again today as rioting mobs of green-and-gold clad youth and plump farm wives rampaged through Wisconsin Denny?s and IHOPs, burning Texas toast and demanding apologies and extra half-and-half.
Cartoon that shocked Midwest
The spark igniting the latest tailgate hibachi of unrest: a Texas newsletter's publication of caricatures of legendary Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi.
Protestors demonstrated against the images throughout the Badger State yesterday, with violent egging and cow-tipping incidents reported in Oconomowac, Pewaukee, Sheboygan, Ozaukee, Antigo, Oshkosh, Waubeno, Wauwautosa, Waunewoc, Wyocena, Waubeka, and Washawonamowackapeepee.
Some of the most dramatic skirmishes were centered around Kenosha, where a mob of masked snowmobilers invaded the Texas Roadhouse on I-94, briefly holding the margarita machine hostage. They were later seen storming the beverage department at Woodman's, where they purchased several cases of Point and a pack of Merit menthols, and later at the Brat Stop classic rock/sausage outlet, where they were reported angrily "boogie-ing out" on air guitar to featured entertainment Molly Hatchett.
But by far the fiercest demonstration took place in Green Bay's Lambeau Shrine parking lot where throngs of Packer faithful burned Texas flags and effigies of Roger Staubach as Lutheran pastors led them in chants of "Those who defame the Vince suck" and "Favre is Great." Many of the frenzied demonstrators were seen ritualistically beating themselves with mozzarella sticks.
The crowd eventually dispersed, lured away by local supper clubs and the nickel slots of nearby Oneida Bingo Casino, but Pastor Doug Schmidtke of Fond Du Lac's Grand Lutheran Temple threatened continued community unrest "until the infidels of Texas deliver an apology. And the head of Tom Landry in a paper bag."
While the curd-strewn streets of Green Bay remain calm for the moment, a startled Texas government official -- speaking on terms of anonymity -- said that they would work with other developed states to find a solution to tensions "before the situation erupts into a full-fledged clash of civilizations."
Eye of a Storm
Over the past five years, the volatile Midwest has produced violent rage like the knockwurst output at Milwaukee's venerable Usinger's -- sudden, repeated, and in long unbroken strings. One of the principle catalysts was the rise the Uff Da insurgency, led by the enigmatic Pastor Duane Gunderson, who seek a unified Lutheran caliphate stretching from the Great Plains to Lake Huron, and the banning of non-Big 10/Pac 10 apostates from the Rose Bowl. Gunderson remains in hiding, but his influence was seen last year in the widely publicized Lutefisk desecration riots that rocked the Heartland amid the pancake breakfast holidays.
Still, outside of the Dells and a handful of violent outposts near its western Mississippi River border, Wisconsin remained a relatively calm exception to the Midwestern maelstrom surrounding it -- a fact that experts attribute to subtle differences in culture and religion.
"Unlike the ultra-extreme, radical Lutheran sectarians of Iowa and Minnesota, most ethnic Wisconsinites belong to the Wisconsin Lutheran Synod," said Joseph Killian, a Midwestern Studies professor at Emory University in Atlanta. "And if you add in three Super Bowl titles, easier access to beer, and walleye fishing, and you're going to have a much calmer and more stable culture." [Ed note: Yeah, right. In WI, package sales end at 9 p.m., as opposed to 2 a.m. in Iowa. And the WLS is waaaay uptight compared to the Missourah Synod, which is waaaaaaay uptight.]
All that would change in November with the publication of four cartoons in a Texas office newsletter -- cartoons that today have brought this once happily beer-goggled society to the precipice of all-out culture war.
Casus Belli
A thousand miles south of Wisconsin's sprawling Holstein pastures, Josh Davidson peers between the drawn drapes of his Plano, Texas apartment, looking for signs of suspicious green-clad strangers. It is his third day at the address, but he is already scanning the classified ads for his next residence. For this 37-year old, staying ahead of Packer radicals has become a full time job.
In November, Davidson -- a self-described diehard Dallas Cowboys fan -- made a fateful decision that would alter his life and whose reverberations are currently shaking the foundations of two societies.
"The Appleby's in Frisco has two big screens, and I liked going there Sunday for the Cowboy games," Davidson explained. "But one weekend there was this annoying bunch of Wisconsin immigrant idiots with foam rubber cheese wedge hats, screaming for the Packers on the other screen."
In response, Davidson drew four provocative cartoons of revered Packer coach Vince Lombardi, and distributed Xeroxed copies to his co-workers at VHT Technologies in Plano. What he didn't know is that one of co-workers was an alumnus of Marquette, and the cartoons would soon be circulated throughout the Packer world.
The response would be immediate and visceral.
"While Wisconsin culture is tolerant compared to, say, Iowa, what many outsiders don't understand is that its ultimate taboo is graven images of Lombardi," said Nigel Rhys-Jones of Harvard's Institute of Primitive Anthropology. "The only Lombardi iconography allowed is allegorical, in throw blankets or needlepoint appliques, and must be purchase at craft fairs from chubby Lutheran women in windbreakers. For a Cowboy fan to make cartoons of the Vince is... let's just say the ultimate sacrilege."
Aftermath
The appearance of the cartoons in Wisconsin media sparked a angry reaction in the Packer street, a reaction that some say radical Lutheran clerics were more than happy to foment and nurture with every Packerless playoff game.
After the NFC Championship game in January, WTMJ radio in Milwaukee broadcast a newly surfaced audiotape of Duane Gunderson on the Wayne Larrivee Packer Report, in which he urged Packer faithful to "rise up against the mockers of the one and true coach."
"Those who sow the curds of blasphemy will reap the cheddar wheel of destruction,? he added cryptically.
In response to growing pressure and threats of Wisconsin boycotts, VHT Technologies dismissed Davidson on January 21, issuing a fulsome personal apology from CEO George Uhl asking Wisconsinites "to consider VHT the next time you are choosing a supplier of multiphase diodes," and "please don't kill me."
Despite the olive branch, the Packer community finally exploded into the streets Sunday, as already frayed emotions were further enflamed by the awarding of the Vince Lombardi trophy to the Super Bowl's victorious Pittsburgh Steelers.
Numerous request to Texas Governor Rick Perry to execute or extradite Davidson to Wisconsin have thusfar gone unheeded, but it is unclear whether the Governor can withstand the growing political pressure for a cathartic public beheading. With nearly one million ethnic immigrant Midwesterners now living in Texas, experts say Perry risks alienating an important voter bloc. More troubling, some analyst believe that south Texas is currently infiltrated by a sleeper cell of tens of thousands of elderly Midwestern snowbirds, each of whom is armed with a Winnebago capable of smashing into a fast food restaurant.
Picking up the Pieces
As the world awaits the next move in this complicated polka of realpolitik, tensions throught the Midwest remain as high as the cholesterol. However, yesterday saw one hopeful sign of a thaw: a consortium of civic, religious and Packer club leaders announced an emergency summit at the Fudgienuckles bar in Glenbuelah next week to start a dialogue with their non-Midwestern counterparts. At the top of the agenda: working with non-Midwestern leaders to create regional peace and security by passing international anti-Packer blasphemy laws.
Small steps to be sure, but observers say these safety measures will help quell the roiling unrest before it spreads to the dimwitted ultra-militant Yoopers of Michigan's notorious Ishpeming Triangle.
While politicians and community leaders from Austin to Rhinelander work to sort out the issues, Josh Davidson says he will try to get on with his life, "maybe in Brazil or Nepal." Still, he says, he can't help puzzling over how he came to his current circumstances.
"Yeah, I guess maybe I was trying to push a couple of Packer hot buttons," he now admits. "I never though it would mean taping a mirror to a pole to check under my car for bombs every morning."
Does he have any regrets? Davis ponders a moment.
"No, not really," he says. "I'm just glad I didn't hand out those cartoons of Mike Ditka."
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
>> "I think they should market toilet paper too!"
> That is so fucking weird that you said that,
> because that's exactly what I was thinking about
> two days ago. toilet paper.
Great minds think alike!