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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 29, 2006, 11:07:00 PM
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Anyone see tonights Simpson episode where Bart is sent to a wilderness program? :lol:
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"This cant be legal!"
"its legal enough"Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.
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I saw the Simpsons episode, and about two weeks ago I saw an episode of Ghost Whisperer which also portrayed BM programs in a very negative light. Whoever wrote the script knew about escort services, late night abductions, and a lot of other stuff. I suspect that Hollywood is getting more and more aware of our issues.
This may be due to feedback from program alumni over Brat Camp, or people in Hollywood researching BM programs with an eye toward copycatting Brat Camp.
It may be due to some Hollywood insider - perhaps a program alumnus - personally contacting lots and lots of people. In any event, I have high hopes for the future.
In the 1970s a movie called Born Innocent with Linda Blair delivered a searing indictment of the public sector juvenile system.
I strongly suspect that movies or documentaries are brewing now that will do the same to the private sector. Once public awareness gets raised to a certain point, things will snowball. Let's hope the day is not far off.
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On 2006-01-30 19:00:00, Jeff_Berryman wrote:
"I saw the Simpsons episode, and about two weeks ago I saw an episode of Ghost Whisperer which also portrayed BM programs in a very negative light. Whoever wrote the script knew about escort services, late night abductions, and a lot of other stuff. I suspect that Hollywood is getting more and more aware of our issues.
This may be due to feedback from program alumni over Brat Camp, or people in Hollywood researching BM programs with an eye toward copycatting Brat Camp.
It may be due to some Hollywood insider - perhaps a program alumnus - personally contacting lots and lots of people. In any event, I have high hopes for the future.
In the 1970s a movie called Born Innocent with Linda Blair delivered a searing indictment of the public sector juvenile system.
I strongly suspect that movies or documentaries are brewing now that will do the same to the private sector. Once public awareness gets raised to a certain point, things will snowball. Let's hope the day is not far off.
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Lets hope that coincides with you finding a source of income thats not named $ue $cheff or anyone who sends kids to programs with $heryl $udweeks :flame: The Internet is now safe for free speech.
-- Christopher A. Hansen on the overturning of the Communications Decency Act
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On 2006-01-30 19:00:00, Jeff_Berryman wrote:
"I saw the Simpsons episode, and about two weeks ago I saw an episode of Ghost Whisperer which also portrayed BM programs in a very negative light. Whoever wrote the script knew about escort services, late night abductions, and a lot of other stuff. I suspect that Hollywood is getting more and more aware of our issues.
This may be due to feedback from program alumni over Brat Camp, or people in Hollywood researching BM programs with an eye toward copycatting Brat Camp.
It may be due to some Hollywood insider - perhaps a program alumnus - personally contacting lots and lots of people. In any event, I have high hopes for the future.
In the 1970s a movie called Born Innocent with Linda Blair delivered a searing indictment of the public sector juvenile system.
I strongly suspect that movies or documentaries are brewing now that will do the same to the private sector. Once public awareness gets raised to a certain point, things will snowball. Let's hope the day is not far off.
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Like I said 4 months ago..........and I know it pissed some people off...........I am looking forward to the day, when I get to sit back, enjoy a bowl of popcorn, and watch WWASPS and other programs like it go down!
It's about fricken time! See, if they were all as smart as they think they are (owners of WWASPS) they'd pass the hot potatoe, and quick!
I'm not talking about just transfering it to other family members. The government will come down, and hard. The only reason why they've allowed themselves to be paid off by WWASPS, and turn a blind eye, is because there hasn't been enough pressure on them to do something about this fucked up situation.
With all this media attention, and movies being made, the public will catch on, and it'll become hotter then the O.J. / Scott Peterson trials put together.
I look forward to these guys getting what's coming to them.
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On 2006-01-31 08:21:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
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On 2006-01-30 19:00:00, Jeff_Berryman wrote:
"I saw the Simpsons episode, and about two weeks ago I saw an episode of Ghost Whisperer which also portrayed BM programs in a very negative light. Whoever wrote the script knew about escort services, late night abductions, and a lot of other stuff. I suspect that Hollywood is getting more and more aware of our issues.
This may be due to feedback from program alumni over Brat Camp, or people in Hollywood researching BM programs with an eye toward copycatting Brat Camp.
It may be due to some Hollywood insider - perhaps a program alumnus - personally contacting lots and lots of people. In any event, I have high hopes for the future.
In the 1970s a movie called Born Innocent with Linda Blair delivered a searing indictment of the public sector juvenile system.
I strongly suspect that movies or documentaries are brewing now that will do the same to the private sector. Once public awareness gets raised to a certain point, things will snowball. Let's hope the day is not far off.
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Like I said 4 months ago..........and I know it pissed some people off...........I am looking forward to the day, when I get to sit back, enjoy a bowl of popcorn, and watch WWASPS and other programs like it go down!
It's about fricken time! See, if they were all as smart as they think they are (owners of WWASPS) they'd pass the hot potatoe, and quick!
I'm not talking about just transfering it to other family members. The government will come down, and hard. The only reason why they've allowed themselves to be paid off by WWASPS, and turn a blind eye, is because there hasn't been enough pressure on them to do something about this fucked up situation.
With all this media attention, and movies being made, the public will catch on, and it'll become hotter then the O.J. / Scott Peterson trials put together.
I look forward to these guys getting what's coming to them. "
If Bush's habit of cutting all responsibility from himself when his cronies get caught fucking up and then making them a point of how moral and just he is any indication, when word of this gets out expect a instant 180° on the industry.
He sure as hell swooped down on Enron, Michael Brown, Abramoff... etc.
However, thats the thing - nobodys aware of it yet and everyone seems skittish to do it first. But, hey, as much as people have spewed rhetoric about protecting kids and punishing child abusers over the past several months, theyve painted themselves into a corner with regards of how to handle this little issue, unless the GOP starts pulling more of its "no blame game" bullshit - their reply for when THEY have to be held accountable :roll: On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Hey Niles -
Jeff aint such a bad guy ya know. He often has very insightful ideas and a lot of knowledge. If you go beating him over the head with scheff shit every time he comments, he may decide commenting aint worth the bother. And that would be our loss.
So He has been mislead - what is unusual about that? Most of us have been. In fact, I feel safe saying we all have been - at some point, by someone.
He may come to understand that someday if he hasn't already. But lobbing Sue bombs every time he posts, really seems counter productive.
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Why not COME CLEAN ABOUT IT? Admit it and make good on it. "Lets not blame" leaves nobody accountable except the children being "Accountable" to the adults having much harsher standards for their than themselves.
Oh, and guess what? Sue has to be held accountable too.
Regardless, there is no excuse for Jeff being on fornits and being so obvlivious to this. Hes either been brainwashed (I doubt sue is capable of that) bought off or somehow had a giant brainfart. I guess the wwasps vs pure discovery and the whole "WHITMORE" thing must have slipped his mind. :roll:
EXCUSE ME for wanting some reasonable accountability! I think what makes stepcraft survivors different is that we have participated in the Asch Experiment writ large, and know what we (and others)are capable of in that situation.
Johnny G.
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No, do tell!
God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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Hi Niles - I get all that. Really.
I am greatly disappointed in a lot of people's response to the "Whitmore" thing - Jeff included.
Couldn't help but notice he never sent out a single news article, or call to action, concerning Whitmore - despite the fact this is mostly what he does - and if it had not been a "PURE" program, he would most certainly have done so.
Possibly, he is afraid of Susan. He has seen how vicious she became with ISAC. He could be very vulnerable to attack if he angered her.
I am disappointed at the over all reaction (or lack there of) from the whole bunch. I feel the "Trekkers" All ought to be holding Susan accountable. The hypocrisy of ignoring her actions in regard to Whitmore - as well as ignoring her attack on ISAC - is deplorable. The argument that there are bigger fish to fry - and the "Whitmore thing" is just a distraction is ridiculous. The Whitmore families have very credible accounts of maltreatment and the defense used against them is identical to the arguments 'the bigger fish' makes against the Trekkers. How they can ignore this is truly beyond me.
But, pouncing on a man every time he post something, isn't going to change anything, except possibly drive him to quite posting. And in Jeff's case - that could well be a loss of good info and insight.
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There is not a god damn thing hes said that someone else cant find out anyway (clandestine or otherwise) and any insight he has virtually anyone else here could come up with anwyay :flame:
Wanna shut me up? Tell him to stop being Sue's lacky and take the PURE colored goggles off of his face and see whats going on!
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS! AT ALL!!!! The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.
--Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958
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I don't want to shut you up Niles.
Not only am I sharp enough to know the attempt would be pointless (not that the dullest dullard couldn't figure that out) I really don't care one way or the other. Jabber on, if it makes you happy.
I was only attempting to point out something that might not have occurred to you. If you disagree; or, if you agree, but don't give a ratts ass - I'm OK with that.
As for excuses (reasons) they can be legitimate and understandable, or week and irrational - but it is worth taking a look at them, what ever they are.
You can't expect to correct any wrong without understanding the hows and whys that bring it about.
The "reasons" are often muli-faceted, and some important ones may be overlooked altogether, by those who concentrate to much on one facet.
As for the "kids" - I really don't think you'll find a parent more supportive of the "Kids" than this one - but this doesn't absolve them from some responsibility for the situation.
Many are responsible for making one foolish decision after another, that would drive any concerned parent to desperate measures.
Many continue to do so, even after warnings that desperate measure are about to be taken.
Societal pressure also plays a roll. Parents are held responsible for the actions of their kids. Parents are expected to hold some measure of control, even over the most defiant and obstinate teen. When the usual measures have no effect - parents who can, will turn to more desperate measures.
But of corse - the parents ought to be doing better homework - and they ought to pay more attention to the red flags to often so easily ignored.
The whole idea of Tuff Love (as it has come to be demonstrated in these programs) needs to be discredited - and thankfully - slowly but surely, this seems to be taking place.
Which brings us back to Jeff's original post - one I found interesting, and hopeful, and would regret having missed, for a lack of Jeff.
I do think you are too quick to dismiss good people, simply b/c they aren't perfect.
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I do think you are too quick to dismiss good people, simply b/c they aren't perfect.
Hes working for someone who shipped off kids to whitmore while it was widely known on fornits what was going on - and SUSPICION ALONE IS ENOUGH OF A REASON TO NOT SEND THEM THERE!
You are so full of excuses, and now youre expanding into hyperbole and strawmen. I dont want perfection. Im not perfect. But what he did and is doing is bullshit, what $ue $cheff is doing is bullshit, and you having nothing but excuses for yourself and everyone else is bullshit, Karen.
Too bad you weren't so forgiving of this BEFORE you heard of ALA.The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.
--Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921
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Niles is a cool cat, give him a fuckin' break already, man.
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Niles - why do you think Jeff worked for Susan?
Worked, as in, for pay?
Far as I know - no such thing ever took place.
Several of the Trekkers had a habit of referring parents to PURE, but there was no cash exchanged. Not from Sue to any of the Trekkers, anyway.
Sue always told us PURE didn't make any money.
The contributions the programs paid covered the cost of operation, but that was all.
Not true as it turns out - but that is the story given out to the Trekkers, and none knew any different until the trial.
None of the Trekkers worked for PURE (as in for money)except Susan - and that is the truth.
Further more - none of us (us, as in Fornits folk)know weather or not any of the Trekkers are still referring parents to PURE. In light of current events, I certainly hope not - because there would indeed be no excuse for it.
If so,there will then be plenty to discuss.
And if so, it will eventually come to light.
For now, I maintain Jeff is a good dude, who is as much a victim of Susan's manipulations as any of us. And, maybe he now knows it; Or, maybe he never will. We don't know, 'cause he aint talkin. He may have very good reason for not talkin. Or maybe not. We don't know. But in any event *I feel* there is no need to beat him over the head with it, every time he posts. Thought maybe if you thought about it, you might agree.
I was wrong.
Aint the first time, and won't be the last.
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Niles ain't the only one who has major problems with Jeff. Quite a few of us do. When all this shit was coming down w/ PURE Jeff was right there defending Sue to the end. We've heard nothing to the contrary so we assume that's still his position. When he pops in here long enough to post something but refuses to address any of the questions or concerns we assume again that nothing in his views has changed. If his views have changed I hope he lets us know. If not then as long as he continues to post anything, he'll be questioned.
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On 2006-01-31 08:21:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
Like I said 4 months ago..........and I know it pissed some people off...........I am looking forward to the day, when I get to sit back, enjoy a bowl of popcorn, and watch WWASPS and other programs like it go down!
I think that's going to happen, but I don't think it'll be government coming down on them real hard. I think there will be a few more show trials, maybe even on the order of OJ or Monica. But that's just be the authorities and sychophant media trying to steal the thunder. I think the killing blow will be the death of a thousand cuts as people educate themselves about the industry and lose their appetites for it.
One reason why we're seeing more art and journalism on the topic is because of the marketing success of the Program, going all the way back to Synanon. Back in around 69 or `70, Synanon was the absolute darling of publications like Time Life and Readers' Digest, not to mention Bobby DuPont as head of NIDA (and, therefor or because of it, the darling of the Nixon/CIA Admin).
They scooped up a bunch of wealthy and powerful pillars of society into every encounter group program from the Betty Ford clinic to CEDU to the Seed and Cathrine Freer. Well, we're the grown ups now. And, as it turns out, those who bought in long term tend to be rather dysfunctional, those who didn't ain't buyin'.
On 2006-01-31 09:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
If Bush's habit of cutting all responsibility from himself when his cronies get caught fucking up and then making them a point of how moral and just he is any indication, when word of this gets out expect a instant 180° on the industry.
He sure as hell swooped down on Enron, Michael Brown, Abramoff... etc.
That's not what I saw happen. I think the Büsh Dynasty and the Religous Riech threw Kenny and Brownie et. al to the wolves in very much the same way Nixon tossed Haldemann, Reagan cut Art Barker loose, Sembler tossed Virgil, Brian shunned Loretta, etc., etc. And they'll keep on casting blame and feigning contrition till nobody's listening to them cause they've lost all credibility and spent every last cent of political currency.
There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir
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On 2006-02-01 08:44:00, BuzzKill wrote:
Possibly, he is afraid of Susan. He has seen how vicious she became with ISAC. He could be very vulnerable to attack if he angered her.
Aw, poor baby! Ya know what? I was pretty fuckin scared of Sue too there for awhile! Jeff wasn't. Jeff was right there standing over the trenches lobbing bombs and laughing along w/ a good many other folks I had thought might be friends. And he doesn't have kids (aka potential hostages).
Forgiveness is divine, Karen. Forgetfulness is just a mental dysfunction. As far as I know, Jeff is still hawkin' 'PURE' approved programs, still clueless or averacious and, therefore, still a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Time's fun when you're having flies.
--Kermit the Frog
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Karen, what it comes down to is that hes being deafeningly silent about all of this.
If hes a skeered little wabbit, guess what? Ive been told Sues out to get ME through the grapevine. Do you see me shaking?
What it boils down to is most likely its a stupid rumor and if its not she doesnt have anything she could $ue me for anyway. Same for Jeff - what grounds?
(http://http://h1.ripway.com/Nihilanthic/balls.gif) <- see those? I hear they make implants now if Jeff is so severely lacking. :roll:
Regardless, what this comes down to PERSONALLY is the attititudes you and other parents/figures have towards everyone else vs the attitudes you have to yourselves and eachother.
SUSPICION gets a kid thrown in a program. A kid in a program HAS TO FESS UP to this, 18+ hours a day, 100 times more intense, IN PERSON, and not on a forum. A kid also is physically trapped and punished physically and much more severely psychologically than I could ever make you feel uncomfortable on a forum. And Im sure you know how those seminars are!
And here we have someone who before was putting children through that and it seems now cant even take a watered down sugar coated VOLUNTARY dose of her own medicine. If you dont see the hypocratsy or why that makes me or anyone else mad and frustrated, then youre blind, deaf, and DUMB.
Furthermore, where is your own kiddo anyway? Keeping him from fornits or is he just 'not interested' like so many other kids until they move out and discover google :wink: "The Libertarian Party is a coalition of those who hold dear the economic freedoms championed by conservatives, yet abandoned by Republicans, and the civil freedoms championed by liberals, yet abandoned by Democrats."
--Rick Root
[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-02-04 17:48 ]
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Hi Ginger.
I can't recall Jeff being among the pleased and pompous that Sue was trying to rake you over the coals.
If he was - then I concede your point. I do often forget. It is a problem.
If he is still hawking PURE then it is shameful. Couldn't agree more strongly.
But, if you were ever afraid of Susan - it sure never did show! :wink:
Niles - it was no idle rumor she was after you.
She was very interested in adding you to her list of "respondents".
//And here we have someone who before was putting children through that and it seems now cant even take a watered down sugar coated VOLUNTARY dose of her own medicine.//
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// A kid also is physically trapped and punished physically and much more severely psychologically than I could ever make you feel uncomfortable on a forum. And Im sure you know how those seminars are! //
Are you talking about me?
If so - I assure you I am not the least bit uncomfortable with anything you've said. Nor am I having any problems with taking my medicine - not that I've considered anything you've said here as medicinal.
As for putting kids threw abusive behavior modification - I have never been in favor of such practices, and once learning about the realities I have done all I am able to help stop it. Yes, I have been ignorant and even dumb - but not hypocritical.
//Furthermore, where is your own kiddo anyway? Keeping him from fornits or is he just 'not interested' like so many other kids until they move out and discover google //
Tonight he is out with his sister and her fella celebrating her 25th birthday.
He knows about google Niles - and he has his owne machine - a couple in fact.
He knows about Fornits. He has read it from time to time, as I have told him this or that might be interesting. He has sat here and giggled at a number of posts.
He knows about the other boards his momma frequents as well, and can usually recognize which one I'm on at a glance.
As far as I know, he doesn't post. As far as I can tell, he's just not "into" the forum thing. He does do instant messaging tho.
Why do you ask? Think I keep him chained in a cell or what?
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Why do you ask? Think I keep him chained in a cell or what?
No. :silly: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock
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Niles - Glad to have helped make your night :smile:
Instead of 'respondent' I should have said defendant.
I had a brain lock last night, and couldn't think of the word I wanted. I used respondent thinking: well, when some one is sued, they have to respond. She meant to sue you if she could.
As for Jeff - maybe it is wrong of me to try and find excuses for him. Hes a big boy and can defend himself if he wants to - and besides - I don't actually know what the situation is. He doesn't talk to me about it. With a few exceptions - none of the Trekkers talk to me anymore. I've been cast out for my lack of support. Much as I was from the BBS :wink:
As for Zero tolerance - I have been trying to get that policy scrapped for years. It does far more harm than good. It has reached levels of outrageously ridiculous.
I am also opposed to mandatory drug screening.
It does more harm than good. It is a violation of privacy done with out good cause. If a person appears drunk or high on the job, then there is cause, and that's a different situation.
But if they attend work, do a good job and are functioning like a sober adult - then there is no cause - and they should not loose their employment b/c they smoked a joint over the week end.
I wish the ACLU would take up this issue instead of going spastic over the school kids singing Christmas carols.
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And why should my jewish/ muslim/ hindu/ buddist/ atheist child be forced to sing christian christmas carols? How does it benefit the majority? Who is it that pushing for one religion, one belief, one world order?
There may be some value in kids exploring the teaching of different religions/beliefs, but not to the exclusion of others. Religion is something to be practiced in private, in your home/church, or 'studied', not practiced at school.
Surely you can see that this 'thawing' has to do with the majority opposing the forced participation in chrisitian customs. Some would argue the seperation of church and state.
Let us non-believers breath. Let us be free of the constant presence of christian dogma.
My grandson's school reached a beautiful compromise. The christmas program included songs from several cultures, although I'm certain they didn't include every culture represeted in the school population.
I also don't want your christian child passing out pens or candy canes with scripture on them. I don't want you passing laws that violate my liberties based on your religious beliefs (fears). I want the freedom and right to self determination, even if that includes my destruction. Not your call, and to force your beliefs onto me is just wrong. Is that just too much to ask?
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Way to jack the thread there, Deb :roll: Im not trying to be mean but you just put on your blinders here to zero in on that. There really are more pressing concerns than PC bullshit in a public school. Plus, the ACLU is already on the case. Theyre not doing shit for the kids in the PROGRAMS.
Anyway... good to know that $ue is SOOO good at dealing with criticism of her practices, Karen. Im sure this is helping her reputation as an EdCon and program referral agent!
Its the perfect way to deal with her paradoxical issue of sending kids to whitmore while she tries to draw most of her credibility from the fact that her kid was abused in WWASPS so you can count on her to not abuse your kids if you just give them to her, right?
BTW, wtf is a Trekker?Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.
--Martin Luther King, Jr.
[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-02-05 15:00 ]
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Obviously not to much to ask - since it has been demanded and the demand has been met.
Little kids who passes out anything as offensive as a pen with scripture on it, are routinely suspended from school.
So - how do you feel about your employer demanding your piss because you might have smoked a joint while on vacation?
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Dude, you're a fuckin' buzz kill.
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The Trekkers are members of an on line support group. A private list serve. In the case of the Trekkers - they are all either parents or grandparents, or sometimes friends, of once upon a time wwasp students - except for Jeff, who was simply an advocate.
It was begun by Donna, whom I never knew, but others here remember her. She once owned the Intrepid Net Reporter site. When she died, control of the list serve was passed on to Sue, who had become her good friend. At least this is the history as I understand it.
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Shut up Buzz Kill, before I break your fuckin' silly face.
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HA!
Please have at it Anon!
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Shut up, geek ass! Your killing my buzz, ya fuck face nigger.
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Sorry Niles, didn't intend to jack the thread. Just responding to a comment.
Buzz, I posted my response here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#170849 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13815&forum=22&start=0#170849)
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Hi Debbie, my corrupt lover!
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On 2006-02-05 15:00:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Obviously not to much to ask - since it has been demanded and the demand has been met.
Little kids who passes out anything as offensive as a pen with scripture on it, are routinely suspended from school.
So - how do you feel about your employer demanding your piss because you might have smoked a joint while on vacation?"
Im clean except for alcohol, and Im 21, so while I personally dont give a shit, on a point of principle Im against it, because its nothing but typical bullshit druglaws. :roll: ) and going through far worse punishment than suspension if they dont comply.
Not to say that I like the direction publik schools have taken, I dont - but there are plenty of people talking about it (everyone who has a brain and a kid in school) - but jacking threads and losing focus of the issue at hand to go on the annual Christmas Goosechase seems a little asinine to me.May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)
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Buzz-kill needs to get clocked in his face. :scared: :flame:
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On 2006-02-05 17:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Buzz-kill needs to get clocked in his face. :scared: :flame: "
Buzzkill is a woman named Karen :roll: Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me.
Robert Heinlein, Glory Road.
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Dude, read up on BuzzKill's writing `fore ya' jump to conclusions. I believe she got took, twice over. But she's been posting around here, advocating pretty sincerely for kids and rents for years, despite the foul language and full on assaults. If you do that and still hate her, well ok then who am I to tell you what to think. But please do get to know her a bit.
When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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Buzz Kill, I'm sorry, lets make a baby!
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On 2006-02-05 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Buzz Kill, I'm sorry, lets make a baby!"
:rofl:
I love you, man!It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
--Charles Dickens
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On 2006-01-29 20:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anyone see tonights Simpson episode where Bart is sent to a wilderness program? :lol: "
Speaking of the Simpsons, when I was at the Academy At Swift River there was a kid there who said his father was Richard Sakai, one of the producers. I believe him but I only have his word on it. He did have the same last name, but there's a lot of Sakai's out there. I offer this tidbit as food for thought, and/or to see if anyone can confirm this.