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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on January 28, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
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http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/artic ... 1wozny.txt (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/articles/2006/01/03/editorial/letters/01wozny.txt)
Commissioners hindering betterment of county
To the editor:
Dismay ... shock ... outrage. These are but a few words to describe my reaction to the news that the county commissioners have thrown up yet another roadblock to the proposal by Hidden Lake Academy to build a new facility, Mountain Brook Academy.
I am a relatively new resident of Lumpkin County, but I have followed this situation since it was first proposed. In addition, I have toured Hidden Lake and have seen first-hand what a great contribution it makes to the community and the benefits derived by its students.
It should be noted that my first visit to Hidden Lake occurred in late 2004 when the Dahlonega Woman's Club presented a candidate forum, generously hosted by Hidden Lake Academy.
Every person presently on the commission attended that forum and I heard each get up and promise that he/she would always act in the best interest of the county and its citizens.
I question how the recent actions of the commissioners in continuing to block HLA/MBA can be considered in the "best interest" of Lumpkin County.
At the commissioners meeting Nov. 17, Clarence Stowers presented an additional list of various items that he proposed be renegotiated before giving the go-ahead to the plan presented.
The development authority had already recommended acceptance of the original proposal, but NO, that wasn't good enough for the commissioners.
They asked the authority to go back and meet again to look into the new items being presented for consideration. It appears that MBA agreed to those stipulations, but, no, even that wasn't enough.
The commissioners are now asking for even more concessions from HLA/MBA.
Hidden Lake has been an asset to Lumpkin for the years it has been here. What plans do the commissioners have to make up the funds that would be generated by the new school should Dr. Buccellato decide not to proceed with Mountain Brook Academy? I listened to all five of you in Oct. 2004 and believed you would act in our best interest.
This commission is a "first" for Lumpkin County, going from a single commissioner to a commission of five persons. What a shame that you are prohibiting a good project from contributing to the betterment of Lumpkin County. I'm ashamed of all of you.
Sincerely,
Pat Wozny
Dahlonega
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http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/artic ... lloway.txt (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/articles/2006/01/11/editorial/letters/01holloway.txt)
Faith in system shaken in 2005
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Faith in system shaken in 2005
To the editor:
Just when I thought the waters had calmed down, I returned from spending the holidays with family to find the waters again swirling. I hope that I can update what has taken place so far and where things now stand.
Contrary to some comments, tax incentives to bring in new businesses is not new to Lumpkin County, with two other companies having arranged similar agreements with the county when it had foresight to help our economy grow.
Mountain Brook was not reinventing policy, but utilizing a tool the county had previously developed to bring in businesses in hopes to lessen the property tax burden on our homeowners.
I was interested in the stance that The Home Depot was brought in with no assistance from the county. I believe Mr. Abraham with the development authority may have conflicting information on the amount of money spent on paving, water lines, and sewage; the last number I heard at a public meeting was around $1 million.
The following timeline best represents our last interactions with the county:
On Nov. 17, the Lumpkin County Board of Commissioners passed a motion that outlined its recommendations for a tax abatement between the county and Mountain Brook Academy. The board requested that Mountain Brook meet with the Lumpkin County Development Authority, and through negotiation finalize a plan covering each of the items in the motion.
On Nov. 18, representatives from Mountain Brook met with Bruce Abraham and Mike Cottrell from the Lumpkin County Development Authority and reviewed each of the items listed on the Nov. 17 motion. At the end of that meeting the two parties had created a plan that would meet the needs of Mountain Brook and Lumpkin County. This plan was submitted to the board of commissioners as directed in the motion so it could be reviewed at the Dec. 1 monthly work session.
On Nov. 29, Mountain Brook received an e-mail from Bruce Abraham informing us that contrary to the motion passed at the Nov. 17 meeting, a special meeting was held by the commissioners who then altered the plan to include items not passed in the official motion. Mountain Brook in good faith completed all requirements of the Nov. 17 motion, yet in the end the commissioners altered their own recommendations and submitted a plan that had not been approved. Based on what was listed as "final position" from the commissioners by Mr. Abraham, Mountain Brook is saddened that a final agreement could not be made.
It is clear that the commissioners are not desirous of having Mountain Brook Academy, its jobs, the tax revenue and added revenue to the local merchants as part of Lumpkin County. As the commissioners were elected to represent the people of Lumpkin County, we will respect their wishes and have begun pursuing other options for making Mountain Brook a viable possibility and continuing our mission of helping children receive a good education.
I have spent the last 20 years working with children and understand adversity, but I have to admit my faith in the system has been shaken in 2005. My elected officials went against their own public motions and in a secret meeting altered what had been placed as an official motion and presented to their constituents. My past brother Rotarian Billy Wells, an official at NGCSU, wrote inaccurate and inflammatory articles about our school, our staff and our morals. Rev. Jeff Ross compared supporting a new school that works with children to be no different that supporting the new Chick-fil-A.
Nevertheless, we will continue to find way to improve the life of the children entrusted to us. Our current options are to move to another county or become a non-profit school like North Georgia and Lumpkin County public schools. As we have tried to point out to our elected officials, neither option is good for the county.
If we move to another county, Lumpkin will be out jobs, tax revenue and tourism from our parents. If we go non-profit, the county is out $71,000 per year plus the loss of all county sales tax from our purchases. Only by going non-profit can we afford to build the new facility due to the lack of water, sewer, and access to emergency services, three expensive items that also affect the outrageous insurance rates associated with this type of facility.
While neither option is desired, we will go whichever direction pushed by the commissioners.
So, to answer Mr. Kanel, we're not asking to receive more than anyone else in the county is due, at this time we would be happy if we were treated like any new business trying to come into the county - fairly.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey S. Holloway, MSW
Executive Director
Mountain Brook Academy
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Ol' Jeffrey sounds like a little crybaby. ::mecry::
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Be sure to call Mr. Abraham to voice your concerns over the new so-called "school" proposed to be built in Dahlonega, GA by the owner of Hidden Lake Academy.
Do your part to bring to light pertinent facts about the way this company does business.
CONTACT INFO:
Bruce Abraham,Development Authority executive director, at (706)864-0423.
Apparently there have been many concerns raised by local citizens about the care and treatment of children at the existing facility which led to suspension of negotiations for a new facility. The possibility exists to kill the project altogether if everyone does their part.
Good luck!
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Hmm, could it be that the good ppl of Dahlonega are starting to smarten up?
There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir
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Apparently, some.
?In addition, I have toured Hidden Lake and have seen first-hand what a great contribution it makes to the community and the benefits derived by its students.?
Saw the ?benefits derived by its students?, in a ?tour?? Puleeeez.
?I question how the recent actions of the commissioners in continuing to block HLA/MBA can be considered in the "best interest" of Lumpkin County.?
Perhaps it is in the best interest of the kids, which should take precedent over the best interests of the county. Commissioners in my county were set to approve a medical waste incinerator; they typically aren?t picky when it comes to revenue. Which makes this even more curious.
?What plans do the commissioners have to make up the funds that would be generated by the new school should Dr. Buccellato decide not to proceed with Mountain Brook Academy??
I would guess that their primary concern is that Home Depot and Chick-fil-A will not tarnish the county?s reputation?. HLA/MBA, questionable? What other concerns might they have? Adjudicated youth being housed from all over the country?
?Mountain Brook was not reinventing policy, but utilizing a tool the county had previously developed to bring in businesses in hopes to lessen the property tax burden on our homeowners.?
What drama. As if their $71,000 is going to lessen property tax. What?s his/her real interest in this issue?
?As the commissioners were elected to represent the people of Lumpkin County, we will respect their wishes and have begun pursuing other options for making Mountain Brook a viable possibility and continuing our mission of helping children receive a good education.?
Is it possible that they?re privy to the real nature and purpose? The ?good education? scam has apparently run its course.
?I have spent the last 20 years working with children and understand adversity, but I have to admit my faith in the system has been shaken in 2005. My elected officials went against their own public motions and in a secret meeting altered what had been placed as an official motion and presented to their constituents.?
Then you now have some idea how parents/teens feel, when they expect one thing, and another happens.
?Rev. Jeff Ross compared supporting a new school that works with children to be no different that supporting the new Chick-fil-A.?
And should they think otherwise? ?Works with? is what is in question.
?My past brother Rotarian Billy Wells, an official at NGCSU, wrote inaccurate and inflammatory articles about our school, our staff and our morals.?
Where can those articles be found? I think it speaks volumes that a military person, considered an upstanding citizen and leader, such as Wells would disapprove of their methods, techniques, morals, values. A little about Billy Wells.
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BILLY WELLS
http://www.ngcsu.edu/Univ_Rel/archives/april2005.htm (http://www.ngcsu.edu/Univ_Rel/archives/april2005.htm)
After reviewing the applicants and nominees, Potter announced April 21 that he is naming Billy Wells, North Georgia?s professor of Military Science since 2002, to the new position [assistant to the president for leadership development].
?Billy already has contributed significantly to the success of our leadership program in the Corps of Cadets,? said Potter, ?and I believe that he can build on that success to help us achieve a comparable level of achievement for the other dimensions of our leadership identity.?
?Billy Wells has an excellent reputation and is engaged throughout the community,? said Andy Schaffer, who serves on the Business Administration faculty. ?He has established outstanding working relationships with both civilian and military faculty and staff across campus and is well suited for this role.?
Coincidentally, Wells, now a retired colonel in the U.S. Army with 30 years of leadership and management experience, was honored on April 18 with a reception as he retired from the Army and his military faculty position at the university.
Before coming to North Georgia, Wells was chief of staff of the First Army at Fort Gillem in 2001-2002. For three prior years he was the training support brigade commander of the 87th Division, Fort Stewart. His previous military assignments, primarily in Georgia and Kentucky, included operations officer, chief of doctrinal and future force development, and battalion commander, among numerous other positions.
Wells earned his bachelor?s degree from Mississippi State University in 1975 and a master of science in education from Louisiana State University in 1980. Additional education and training included the Army War College, the Army Command and General Staff Officer?s Course, and Emergency Preparedness with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. ***
Perhaps he has chatted with Keith Antonia.
http://www.flageorgia.org/conference/20 ... nments.htm (http://www.flageorgia.org/conference/2004Conference/FLAGRoomAssignments.htm)
Antonia being the original Director at Ridge Creek, until he (and several of the other Mt Rangers) was fired for not possessing the proper credentials to hold that position.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#94224 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=30#94224)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#95945 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=20#95945)
Wonder if he's chatted with Overlordd? Curious!
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On 2006-01-28 12:20:00, Deborah wrote:
***?I question how the recent actions of the commissioners in continuing to block HLA/MBA can be considered in the "best interest" of Lumpkin County.?
Perhaps it is in the best interest of the kids, which should take precedent over the best interests of the county. Commissioners in my county were set to approve a medical waste incinerator; they typically aren?t picky when it comes to revenue. Which makes this even more curious.
Well, I can make a couple of guesses. We were discussing earlier the unusually high # of HLA staffers w/ corrections training. But there's another pervasive thread there. Lots of military, especially them damned Marines. And NGCSU, right there in Dahlonega, is known as "The Military College of Georgia." So it stands to reason that the locals would give HLA good deal of chauvinistic favor by default. After all, it looks like military school, it's faculty, ownership and supporters like to compare it to the military and, as noted above, they do employ military vets who are the eyes and ears on the ground.
So it's been 10 years. How many of those real military guys have come away from it w/ less than glowing reviews? Check posts by Jarhead6 (http://fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=2870)'s posts and ask yourself just what kind of thuggery does it take to make a damned Marine that skitterish.
I would expect it of military culture to start out circling the waggons in defence of ppl who present themselves as part of the military community as HLA does. And I'd expect them to hold to that position staunchly for a good long while, easily dismissing criticizms as just a bunch of belly-aching from long haired hippie liberals who hate all things military on general principle. But I would also expect them to come around, eventually, and cut their fuckin' nuts off when they begin to realize how they've been punked.
Incidentally, this is one of the most vital differences between the troubled parent industry and military training. Our military--source of so much modern language like SNAFU, FUBAR and Catch 22--does have an astounding propensity to occasionaly unfuck itself.
Shit, I think this whole industry might self destruct by the hand of their duped clients. I hear tell WWASPS programs have been "helping" the rebellious sons and daughters of Saudis lately, now the Rudy Bentz line may be takin' their comeuppance from the Marines.
This could be fun to watch. :wave: A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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So it's been 10 years. How many of those real military guys have come away from it w/ less than glowing reviews? Check posts by Macaroni3001. Or you can look over what's left of Jarhead6's posts and ask yourself just what kind of thuggery does it take to make a damned Marine that skitterish.
Good point.
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On 2006-01-28 09:10:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Be sure to call Mr. Abraham to voice your concerns over the new so-called "school" proposed to be built in Dahlonega, GA by the owner of Hidden Lake Academy.
Do your part to bring to light pertinent facts about the way this company does business.
CONTACT INFO:
Bruce Abraham,Development Authority executive director, at (706)864-0423.
Apparently there have been many concerns raised by local citizens about the care and treatment of children at the existing facility which led to suspension of negotiations for a new facility. The possibility exists to kill the project altogether if everyone does their part.
Good luck!
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Keep those calls coming. Tell Mr. Abraham how you were treated there and what kind of education you got. He seems very interesed to hear the details.
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Anybody call this guy today? I'm going to in a bit.
If you've spoken to Mr. Abraham, what did he have to say?
If you haven't called yet, be sure to give this guy a ring.
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He told me to quote "fuck yourself"
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On 2006-01-30 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He told me to quote "fuck yourself""
Which I'm sure you dutifully carried out forthwith.
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Anyone know the latest news about this dead or dying project?
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County to vote on tax breaks
By Sharon Hall
Lumpkin County Development Authority is calling them guidelines for an "Economic Investment Program," but what the document sets out is a way to gauge whether and what kind of tax incentives to offer new and expanding businesses in the county.
The authority presented its plan at the commissioners' work session Feb. 2. The commission is expected to vote on the proposal at its Feb. 16 board meeting.
The need for a policy governing tax incentives was brought to the fore when Hidden Lake Academy requested a 10-year tax abatement for a new school it planned, Mountain Brook Academy.
In return, the school's owner Dr. Len Buccellato promised Mountain Brook Academy would provide 80 new jobs and bring $7 million in economic impact for the county in 2007 alone.
The development authority recommended approval of the proposal to the county commission. Several meetings and negotiation sessions later no agreement could be reached and Bucellato said he would pursue other options.
Since then the authority has been approached by an unnamed manufacturer, asking for similar consideration of a tax abatement to attract a sizable number of jobs from another state to Georgia.
"The authority realized we needed a public policy for this," said authority director Bruce Abraham. "Some communities do this without policies or guidelines, but since there was a need here, our board addressed it."
Board chair Mike Cottrell asked board member Deborah Hutcheson to form a committee to research the issue.
Committee members included Alfred Chang, Jimmy Anderson and Don Trice. Abraham also helped gather information to be considered in formulating a policy.
The policy was formulated to accomplish four major objectives, Trice told commissioners at the work session:
n Attract desirable companies to the county.
n Create additional jobs.
n Expand over time the county's tax base, and
n Create a more favorable balance in the tax base between business and residential development.
Under the guidelines most retail businesses would not be eligible.
"The whole idea is to bring new money," Trice said. "It's not for retail business that would just divide the money that's already here."
For a retail business to be considered, it would have to prove that a substantial majority of its revenue came from outside the county.
Both new companies looking to locate in Lumpkin County and companies here wanting to significantly expand operations or develop additional facilities would be eligible for the economic investment program.
A minimum threshold of $2 million ?hard cost? investment would have to be made in order to qualify.
The policy sets nine parameters for tax incentives.
n No abatements will be granted on existing taxes.
n Incentives granted will be reductions in future ad valorem taxes on new development.
n Formulas of reductions in future levels of taxes will be tailored for each applicant.
n A maximum period of tax reductions is set at 10 years, not to include the initial construction period of no longer than 24 months.
n The tax incentives package will include money issues only and will not include non-financial issues such as location, exaction issues, business issues or other. (The county's request for land for a fire station, made to Mountain Brook Academy, would be an example of on exaction issue. Trice told the board of commissioners the state does not allow the county to use its leverage in this manner.)
n Appropriate legal structure must be adhered to.
n Applicants will pay for all direct legal and other costs related to the negotiation and documentation.
n Applicants must demonstrate a positive attitude toward community participation and involvement.
n Proposed facilities and their operations should minimize any adverse impact on the environment, health, safety or well-being of Lumpkin County and comply with county ordinances and state and federal law.
The authority will require detailed information from the applicant, analyze the projected tax revenue benefits against the proposed incentives package, and make its decision based on whether the cumulative public benefits exceed the cumulative cost of the tax incentives package.
If a company is given a tax incentive program, it will be required to make an annual report to prove its compliance with minimal standards of achievement, such as job creation. The agreement would also contain financial consequences in the event of failure to meet the terms of the agreement.
In putting the guidelines together the committee conferred with numerous experts, including Charley Gatlin, Chief of Staff for Georgia Industry and Trade who has worked with communities on this issue throughout the state; Jeff Lucas, head of project managers for Georgia Industry and Trade; Dan McRae, an attorney who works with development authorities to set these programs up around the state; Jim Finch, head of Economic Development for the Georgia Department of Community Affairs; and Cullen Larson, head of Georigia Economic Developers Association.
The committee also reviewed the Incentives Decision-Making models from the Georgia Economic Developers Association, talked to Gordon, Hall and Griffin/Spaulding counties, and consulted Rope Roberts with Georgia Power about best practices in other north Georgia counties.
It also reviewed a report from the law firm of King and Spaulding on how incentives are used in Georgia, and looked at the Incentives Report from the National Association of Counties Legislative Conference.
Development authorities were created by the Georgia General Assembly to be able to accomplish what local government cannot - grant tax incentives to businesses for the public good.
This is accomplished by transferring their tax-free status to business for a limited time as an incentive to locate in the community. They can do so without the consent of local government, but Abraham said the authority "wants this to be an inclusive process, and we are presenting these guidelines to both the commissioners and the board of tax assessors."
Trice will also make a presentation to the Lumpkin County Board of Tax Assessors at its meeting today, Feb. 8. Regular tax assesssors meetings are held the second Wednesday of the month at 9 a.m. in the conference room of the Lumpkin County Courthouse and are open to the public.
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/artic ... ntives.txt (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/articles/2006/02/10/news/01taxincentives.txt)
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We should send them the link to this site. Let them find out the truth.
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I'm seriously beginning to wonder if staff cutbacks at HLA have something significant to do with raising capital to get this project off the ground.
It increasingly appears that MBA will not get tax abatement form the county. That money has to come from SOMEWHERE.
Recently, HLA has been downsizing its staff (at least a couple of teachers). For a facility that really needs as much staff as it can get, this seems odd.
Are they having financial struggles with MBA that are leading them to cut staff at HLA to make up the difference?
Are they just in general financial jeopardy?
They have been on a serious PR campaign to dispell rumors of their financial infirmities. Some consultants that refer to HLA have apparently had recent serious concerns about their economic stability.
Can anyone flesh out the details?
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I guess sometimes 7000 a month per student just isnt enough.
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It's looking more and more like this project is dead, with or without the tax abatements.
The locals seem to get the idea that these folks are up to no good on their campus and don't seem willing to help them build another one.
Maybe if HLA got themselves properly licensed, etc, the town/county would be more amenable?
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THe project isn't dead. The land has already been purchased.
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On 2006-02-18 06:38:00, SHH wrote:
"THe project isn't dead. The land has already been purchased."
I see. The land is the cheap part without which there is no incentive for a bank to loan develpoment capital.
But what about the loan that they needed to develop it? The application was rejected. Can you say why that is?
Also, can you tell me about the contractors that sued them for non-payment for the current campus renovations? What was the outcome of that or is it still ongoing?
Thanks.
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Steve what contact do you have that told you the application was rejected? That is a rumor.
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On 2006-02-18 07:15:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve what contact do you have that told you the application was rejected? That is a rumor."
You're a funny, funny lady. :rofl: You've got to know how humorous it is to watch you run all around this place desperately trying to put out fires. :grin: :lol:
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On 2006-02-18 07:15:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve what contact do you have that told you the application was rejected? That is a rumor."
No, at this point it isn't a rumor. I'm not going to name my contact here, that's obvious.
You can ask your people, but they've been shown to be, let's say, less than honest about EVERYTHING, so they probably won't shoot you straight on this one either. Even if they did I have no confidence that you would tell the truth here either because you have an unnatural need to cover up what they do. Why you do this, I do not know.
I have it on good authority that this is so. Before you say it isn't, you ought to do your homework.
Not only is it true that the funding is gone, there is a general malaise among the staff there because they feel their boss has driven the company into the ground by fighting too many legal battles rather than getting properly licensed and submit to oversight, which the staff see as inevitable, but the boss bitterly contests, even to the detriment of the facility's financial health. Many there feel like the boss needs to move on and bring in professional business management before the rest of them lose their jobs.
You'll see this play out as time goes on. I've been dead-on accurate about the other events that have come to pass, and this one will be bourne out as well. It's just a matter of time.
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Dysfunction: The deal is dead Cybil and the staff isnt happy.
Cybil: Its not true its not true I know its not. Everyone is happy at HLA, youre just a mean ol druggie who uses pillow talk. I NEVER LIE and neither do the people I talk to (people who dont work for HLA and arent married to people who work for HLA) they know what theyre talking about.
IM RIGHT IM RIGHT I TAKE CARE OF TWO DISABLED FAMILY MEMBERS. STOP HARRASSING ME.
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Robert you neither know who I talk to or who I don't talk to and don't know much about me at all. I suggest you stick to what you know, which isn't anything that has to do with me.
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Dont be stupid Bullfrog I know tons about you.
I also know that you routinley put your foot in your mouth because you constantly talk about things you have no way of knowing, or arent interested in learning.
You havent worked at HLA in about seven years.
You havent lived there in about five.
You dont speak to your ex about matters concerning the school.
Because of the high rate of turnover at HLA very few of the employees who worked there then are still there.
Of those that are still there very few have operational knowledge or are kept up to date on the finacial situation.
You have few friends because of your lack of social graces.
You refuse to check the facts of any truth about HLA as you would rather live with your delusions.
On more personal points:
Your name is Cybil
You used to be married to Bill Gray Jr.
You live in NC.
You work in a bank (sometimes)
You have three children I believe and a couple of step children.
You take care of your 100+ year old grandfather who you should put in a home.
Anything else Bullfrog?
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Nope, most of that is wrong.
Only 4 of those things are correct:
I havent worked at HLA since July, 1998.
I havent been living at the school since Feb 2001.
I used to be married to Bill Gray
I live in NC
The rest of your statements are incorrect.
More proof you know nothing about me.
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So you acknowledge I got some of them right but then claim I know nothing about you?
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Bullfrog you are to much fun.
Espically since I got most of them right.
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oh yes you cant count either. 4 is definatly not "most".
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Oh I was including all the ones that youd rather not acknowledge with those four.
Hence most.
Unless youd like to retract some of your earlier statements.
In which Ill just stick with that youre full of shit most of the time, and again be correct.
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Topic of this thread:
New "School" Construction by HLA Owner Killed by County?
Anything relevant to add to that discussion?
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I did reply. I stated that the project isn't dead. Then it got off on the topic of how much can we insult SHH. Place blame where it lies. Not with me.
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On 2006-02-18 15:39:00, SHH wrote:
"I did reply. I stated that the project isn't dead. Then it got off on the topic of how much can we insult SHH. Place blame where it lies. Not with me. "
After you posted that the project wasn't dead DJ responded and asked you some questions. You ignored those and went right after Robert's posts instead. If you don't want to continue the game between you and Robert just fucking STOP!
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On 2006-02-18 07:56:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-02-18 07:15:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve what contact do you have that told you the application was rejected? That is a rumor."
No, at this point it isn't a rumor. I'm not going to name my contact here, that's obvious.
You can ask your people, but they've been shown to be, let's say, less than honest about EVERYTHING, so they probably won't shoot you straight on this one either. Even if they did I have no confidence that you would tell the truth here either because you have an unnatural need to cover up what they do. Why you do this, I do not know.
I have it on good authority that this is so. Before you say it isn't, you ought to do your homework.
Not only is it true that the funding is gone, there is a general malaise among the staff there because they feel their boss has driven the company into the ground by fighting too many legal battles rather than getting properly licensed and submit to oversight, which the staff see as inevitable, but the boss bitterly contests, even to the detriment of the facility's financial health. Many there feel like the boss needs to move on and bring in professional business management before the rest of them lose their jobs.
You'll see this play out as time goes on. I've been dead-on accurate about the other events that have come to pass, and this one will be bourne out as well. It's just a matter of time.
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On 2006-02-18 07:12:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-02-18 06:38:00, SHH wrote:
"THe project isn't dead. The land has already been purchased."
I see. The land is the cheap part without which there is no incentive for a bank to loan develpoment capital.
But what about the loan that they needed to develop it? The application was rejected. Can you say why that is?
Also, can you tell me about the contractors that sued them for non-payment for the current campus renovations? What was the outcome of that or is it still ongoing?
Thanks.
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Yes and I PMed him and asked him which questions I didnt see of his. I am on here right now but earlier I wasnt. I might have missed something. I dont stay on here all day. Maybe he will PM me back with the questions I need to answer.
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On 2006-02-18 15:46:00, SHH wrote:
"Yes and I PMed him and asked him which questions I didnt see of his. I am on here right now but earlier I wasnt. I might have missed something. I dont stay on here all day. Maybe he will PM me back with the questions I need to answer."
They're right above your last post.
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If those are the questions he was referring to, I dont know if the application was rejected. I believe they apply to several different banks for loans I am assuming that maybe they didnt like the terms of that particular one. I didnt hear that any application was rejected by a bank, I also think that before people jump to conclusions about contractors suing, I want to tell you about something that happened awhile back. A contractor doing work on the school did crappy work and then demanded payment. The school refused, saying they needed to do their repairs and then get paid. They filed a lien, it got cleared up eventually. Sometimes not all is what it seems. They have had several instances where contractors did shitty work and then they had to force them to clear it up before paying them. That is not the same thing as being unable to pay. Make sure you have all the facts before making assumptions.
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Dont you people know?
If Bullfrog didnt hear about it happening at HLA it just didnt happen.
If theres any doubt go ask the kids scrubbing dumpsters with toothbrushes.
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On 2006-02-18 15:39:00, SHH wrote:
"I did reply. I stated that the project isn't dead. Then it got off on the topic of how much can we insult SHH. Place blame where it lies. Not with me. "
I believe you're wrong on this one. I believe it is dead - and buried.
Not only do the county commissioners not want it built, but the financing is dead, too.
If you think they're not in financial trouble, go ahead and ask Billy boy about the 2005 and 2006 IRS and Georgia tax liens against the property.
One of my contacts has been doing great research on the available public record concerning HLA and has reported that the campus is heavily liened for unpaid taxes, thus the rejection of financing for MBA - the collateral is no good. Apparently there are a couple of private bank liens as well for unpaid loans (one bank in Atlanta and one in Dahlonega).
Bad credit, sharply declining enrollment, patients transferred to other facilities and a mass exodus of staff. I have heard Len has bitterly denied financial woes to the staff, but the employees feel the writing's on the wall. What does that tell ya?
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This just gets better and better every day.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wonder where SHH is. She's been awfully quiet.
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Im not quiet, I posted yesterday...but some posts got wiped off with everybody elses. And I have been gone almost all day today with 3 doctors appointments and a few other errands. As far as 2005 and 2006..2006 hasnt even been filed yet Steve. I think you either have your info wrong or your dates wrong. Also, something I know from being in the loan business, not all things showing on those public record sites (of which I am well aware of because I look at them too), not all of those things are current info. Sometimes it takes up to a year to clear a lien off a record if its not done properly. Also, if an entity is making payments on a tax lien or on a judgement, it will not show that information on the public record sites. Not all that you see on those sites is accurate. Neither are materialmen's liens. Those don't just arise from plain and simple non-payment. Sometimes there are disputes in the quality of work and the contractor files a materielmen's lien until a hearing or other form of agreement is reached.
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Wow Steve your mole must be Len himself if that kind of personal financial information is given to you. If in fact, it is even accurate info you were given. That part I don't know, but, for you to have that info, about loans being denied, which is private information, not public record, they must have violated some sort of privacy act to give it to you. Not to mention they would have to work in the business office of the school to even have school loan information of any type. Loan information is private information and cannot be given out. I see those privacy forms every day at work.
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Bullfrog are you even going to try and talk about private information being released to the public innappropriatly?
Do you really want to go down that path given your own history on the matter?
Shut the fuck up about it while youre still ahead Bullfrog.
Besides youre just jealous that Dysfunctions mole has real information while your imaginary one just keeps telling you to start fires.
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Tsk Tsk Robert now dont get your panties all in a wad. I know of which I speak. What I did was not illegal. What Steve's mole did is, if, in fact, it is true, and, in fact, obtained from documentation at the school or from bank documents. Just thought Id give a little friendly advice is all. The "mole" might not be as secret as he thinks he is.
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Bullfrog one more time you know not of what you speak.
Not that thats anything new.
Oh and one more time I offer you the chance to prove you did nothing illegal.
If releasing names and dates of former students is no big deal do it again.
This about the fifteenth time Ive asked you Bullfrog, but you wont because youre a lying stupid scared little bitch.
I wonder though since you do seem to want to go down this road. Is it appropriate for Bill Gray to be talking to you about matters of school finances and operation? I say Bill Gray because God knows no one else would ever talk to you. Also since multiple employees have been discussing issues of concern with us how sure can you be you know who Dysfunctions is? I know personally that the person I talk to isnt the same one he talks to.
So really Bullfrog how much do you think you know?
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I already figured out who he talks to there. And Bill doesn't discuss school financial matters with me. I know what I know from public means and from other means. Not from him. And I don't posess any illegally obtained info either. Remember Im not the informant at the school, Steve's buddy is. He is the one giving out private financial information, not me.
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Now Bullfrog, as we all well know you couldnt figure your way out of a cardboard box.
How on earth can you expect us to believe you all on your own figured out who it is hes talking to?
The truth is you dont have a fucking clue...about anything really. That of course being due to the incessant drops on your head as a child. Its not your fault really.
Now you want to honestly sit here and claim you already know the schools information from having checked it yourself. This simply isnt true. You didnt check because you dont like facts. If you did you would have months and months ago called ORS like I suggested and verified that HLA was operating without a license.
Instead you pretend you have an understanding of the situation, never check the facts and get angry at anyone who disagrees with you despite the truth of the matter.
So in reality youre commeting on the issue is fairly pointless, let the people whove actually done their homework talk about it. Why dont you go play in the other room.
As to Dysfunctions mole giving out information. I still dont understand your problem with it. You didnt have a problem when Bill discussed a private conversation with George with you. You didnt have a problem having someone go through the old student files trying to find out who I was. You dont have a problem being given inside information as to the finacial situation of the school now.
So why bitch Bullfrog?
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Oh and again thanks for proving my point.
You still dont have the courage to release the names and dates of other students because you know it was illegal.
Dont worry Bullfrog consequences are still in store.
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You don't know what you are talking about Cybil..
THe liens have not been released as of today.
DJ is right.. Apparently, HLA has a current
Federal Tax lien from January 2006 and a State Lien from Nov.2005(whatever the amount)..The construction lien for whatever reason was filed in 2002, no release date announced...
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Liens are public record and when a bank,the
State of Georgia, IRS or even a contractor places
a lien, it is public record..although not easily
obtained, it is legal...Surely, you are aware that the
IRS can sell 'the joint' if they choose? If the lien is not satisfied, bye-bye...But, we know
we shall not be that lucky...Credit reports
on businesses bring up all this information...
You are being ridiculous... There is no one secretly reading that morons' private archives
of rainbow accounting...And, why on earth,
would you back up such an 'evil' place..Maybe you
should return as a child there for 18 months..
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Either youre not reading what I typed or don't want to read what I typed. I never said liens werent public record. Of course they are. I said they are. I looked them up myself. There are no January 2006 federal tax liens from my investigation. The info I obtained from public record doesnt show anything that recent. AND, I stated that even though liens arent released that doesn't mean that payments arent being made to the govt towards them, and doesnt necessarily mean they aren't paid in full. Sometimes liens take awhile to come off. You arent looking at the whole picture. You are only looking at what you want to look at. What my point was, and which most of you MISSED, was that Bank loan information is private. When someone's loan is denied, that is private information. Someone at the school has information they shouldn't be giving out to Steve. And they know it. What I did, Robert, was NOT illegal for the 100th time. Damn you are dense. I didnt have anybody look through a file. I didn't get any info from a file, and haven't seen a file. I only stated a first name because thats ALL I KNOW. I don't know any other child's personal information. I did nothing illegal get that through your thick skull will ya? An employee telling Steve that loans were denied is wrong and he can be fired for it, and knows it. What I did was remember someone from a long time ago that I only knew their first name. And Juniper, it is not an "evil" place. I do believe that's just a SLIGHT exaggeration dont you? I suppose now youre going to tell me that everybody that works there is going to hell. yea, whatever.
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On 2006-02-20 15:03:00, SHH wrote:
"Wow Steve your mole must be Len himself if that kind of personal financial information is given to you. If in fact, it is even accurate info you were given. That part I don't know, but, for you to have that info, about loans being denied, which is private information, not public record, they must have violated some sort of privacy act to give it to you. Not to mention they would have to work in the business office of the school to even have school loan information of any type. Loan information is private information and cannot be given out. I see those privacy forms every day at work. "
Have I not been spot on accurate thusfar? You feel free to let me know when you have evidence that suggests what I'm saying isn't true.
Never you mind about to whom I speak at the facility. You could "know" who it is all day long and never prove a damn thing. "Privacy Forms" say that the LENDER cannot discuss the issue, not the borrower. The borrower can say whatever they want. That's just silly.
Just wait for a while and be patient. This place is hurting and all you're seeing now is just the symptoms of it. Do I think they'll go under? No, I don't. There are too many sick folks with a lot of money who would gladly make donations to keep it afloat. Don't be surprised when you see the solicitations or either if you see parts of the business sold off or contracted to vendors.
Also don't be surprised when tuition loans to parents become unavailable in the next few weeks. Enrollment is down and it's going to go down further. The layers are being peeled off the onion.
You heard it here first.
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Steve unless your Mole is Dr. B your person cannot divulge loan information as a "borrower". An employee of the school is not the "borrower". And if you think your Mole cannot be found out, think again my friend. Think again.
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On 2006-02-21 07:05:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve unless your Mole is Dr. B your person cannot divulge loan information as a "borrower". An employee of the school is not the "borrower".
Doesn't mean that the mole has no other means of finding info out.
And if you think your Mole cannot be found out, think again my friend. Think again."
Maybe, but by the time they are found out, if they are, they might not really give a shit. They might be so fucking fed up with what's going on in the backwoods that they just don't care.
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On 2006-02-21 07:05:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve unless your Mole is Dr. B your person cannot divulge loan information as a "borrower". An employee of the school is not the "borrower". And if you think your Mole cannot be found out, think again my friend. Think again."
Why are you more interested in persecuting someone and getting them fired then talking about the truth of the matter. For chrissake, lady, you don't work there and haven't in years, yet you act like you're the operations guy there instead of your ex, who you claim not to discuss these issues with ( ::bangin::
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Maybe, but by the time they are found out, if they are, they might not really give a shit. They might be so fucking fed up with what's going on in the backwoods that they just don't care.
This describes over half of the current personnel from what I'm told.
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The liens are there...They may be paying them down, but they are there...The IRS Lien,The State of Georgia Lien is not, again,not showing
released status. Granted they could have been released, but it is not likely so soon. You are not accessing through the proper channels...It is important to potential employees, potential 'inmates'parents
and investors that are financing this charade, and potential lawsuits to know any companies
financial status...
"Evil"....I beg to differ with you...As I said once before, I believe very few of these schools started out with good intentions...They do not own their mistakes, we are responsible for our own actions, we own them, HLA has not done so.
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1.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY GA DEPT OF LABOR RELEASED
STATE TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
10/01/2001
2.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY GA DEPT OF LABOR STATE LIEN
WITHDRAWN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
10/28/2002
3.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY INTERNAL REVENUE
SERVICE
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
04/11/2001
4.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
INTERNAL REVENUE
SERVICE
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
06/21/2004
5.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS RELEASED
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
04/25/2005
6.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
10/23/2003
7.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
03/15/2005
8.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS RELEASED
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
06/28/2005
9.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
01/18/2006
10.HIDDEN LAKE
ACADEMYINC A CORPOR
IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
06/21/2004
*11.HIDDEN LAKE INC GA DEPT OF LABOR RELEASED
STATE TAX
LIEN
BIBB COUNTY, GA 06/17/2004
*12.HIDDEN LAKE INC STATE OF GA STATE TAX
LIEN
BIBB COUNTY, GA 03/29/2004
*13.HIDDEN LAKE INC STATE OF GEORGIA TAX LIEN BIBB COUNTY, GA 03/29/2004
14.HLA INC HIDDEN LAKE
ACADEMY
STATE OF GA STATE TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
11/17/2005
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*Items 11, 12, and 13 seem to apply to another similarly named corporation.
It looks like the financial trouble has been building for several years. Maybe it's reached a point now where there just isn't any way for these people to get any more funds and they have to cut back on staff and future projects.
One thing is clear: They don't like to pay their taxes!
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3 of those belong to a corporation in Lizella Georgia that was dissolved in 2002. 4 of those other 10 listed have been either released or withdrawn. That leaves 6. I will do more research and find out the current status of those shortly. In addition, sometimes the same lien gets put on record more than once. I will check to see which ones of those are duplicated, if any.
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They say they are released, so we know that already...How are you going to check..Are you an attorney with an account, are you going to pay Dunn and Bradstreet?The school is ranked by Dunn and Bradstreet, like all other businesses, they use their stats to rank them...They are not 'after' them..It is a purely subjective
report...They have no reason to report Federal or State liens, other than for ranking. They have up-dated all releases and shall continue to do so...
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They are ranked 1 and 3....they are just 'slow
payors'..does that make you feel better?
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On 2006-02-21 10:24:00, juniper2 wrote:
"They are ranked 1 and 3....they are just 'slow
payors'..does that make you feel better?"
Hidden Lake Academy INC
The Credit Score Class for this company is based on the following factors:
- 35% of trade experiences indicate slow payment(s) are present.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Slow payers indeed. I wonder how much money is lost on late payment fees and interest on late debt? I wonder if they think it's OK for parents to pay tuition late 35% of the time?
Sloppy business. Who's the Operations person responsible for this messy ledger?
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On 2006-02-21 03:59:00, SHH wrote:
" What I did, Robert, was NOT illegal for the 100th time. Damn you are dense. I didnt have anybody look through a file. I didn't get any info from a file, and haven't seen a file. I only stated a first name because thats ALL I KNOW. I don't know any other child's personal information. I did nothing illegal get that through your thick skull will ya? An employee telling Steve that loans were denied is wrong and he can be fired for it, and knows it. What I did was remember someone from a long time ago that I only knew their first name. "
Youre minimalizing your actions Bullfrog because youre scared of the consequences. Rightfully so.
You released the students first name.
You released the amount of time he spent at HLA.
You released the time period in which he was there.
You threatened to release his current location.
A bit more than what youre copping to here wouldnt you say?
All of this of course being information you could not have simply remembered on your own. Someone gave it to you. Perhaps this mole you claim to have? Although Im still confused because you swore up and down before that you dont talk to anyone there about school matters. Oh well I guess I can just chalk it all up to more of your bullshit. Oh wait I forgot you never lie correct?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Robert I am not afraid of a single thing. I did NOTHING ILLEGAL can you not understand that? I remembered a first name of a kid. so fucking what? I didnt say WHEN he was there..I didnt say his last name, address, social security number, state he lived in, city he was from, what year he was there, nothing personal. I thought I remembered he was there for a few months, I think I said 3 or something. That was a guess. I thought the kid might be you...you said it wasnt. End of story. A first name could be anybody. I know for a fact there was more than one Devon there the years I lived on campus. I am not afraid of anything you threaten me with...and by the way, in case you have forgotten, you committed libel outright, who's got the case Robert? It sure isn't you. Get over the damn student's name thing already and move on. It's stupid, meaningless, and NOT ILLEGAL. Please read those words Robert...N O T I L L E G A L. Read this too...I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU. Do you finally get that through your head now? I sure hope so. :silly:
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whoa! What's goin on here fellas? I have been outta town for a few..From the looks of it, seems SHH is continuing her BS half ass answers and avoiding the simple questions asked about 14 billion times..Am I correct on this assumption my fellow sirs??[ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-02-22 15:39 ]
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Please shut up with your fucking nonsense already. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself over and over like we can't read it the first twenty times?
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On 2006-02-22 15:38:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Please shut up with your fucking nonsense already. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself over and over like we can't read it the first twenty times?
"
Whats going on my brother! :tup:
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Because Robert is that fucking dense he can't get it through his head I didnt do anything illegal and keeps on repeating that crap over and over again. Tell him to shut the fuck up over his nonsense for once. Im tired of the bullshit from him. Its like he is slow or something. We need to change HIS name to Short Bus :rofl:
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On 2006-02-22 15:33:00, SHH wrote:
"Robert I am not afraid of a single thing. I did NOTHING ILLEGAL can you not understand that? I remembered a first name of a kid. so fucking what? I didnt say WHEN he was there..I didnt say his last name, address, social security number, state he lived in, city he was from, what year he was there, nothing personal. I thought I remembered he was there for a few months, I think I said 3 or something. That was a guess. I thought the kid might be you...you said it wasnt. End of story. A first name could be anybody. I know for a fact there was more than one Devon there the years I lived on campus. I am not afraid of anything you threaten me with...and by the way, in case you have forgotten, you committed libel outright, who's got the case Robert? It sure isn't you. Get over the damn student's name thing already and move on. It's stupid, meaningless, and NOT ILLEGAL. Please read those words Robert...N O T I L L E G A L. Read this too...I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU. Do you finally get that through your head now? I sure hope so. :silly: "
He obviously doesn't belive you. Why do you think that telling him over and over again and YELLING it will somehow convince him?
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How 'bout answering the licensure question SHH?
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I wasnt yelling..I was using capital letters in an effort to get it to sink in to his thick head. But youre right....he never believes anything I say....even if its the fucking truth which it is. OH well, you can't cure stupidity I guess.
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On 2006-02-22 15:43:00, SHH wrote:
OH well, you can't cure stupidity I guess. "
You're living proof of that!! :rofl:
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We need to change HIS name to Short Bus
You asked for it. Go git her, boy.
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The licensure question is out of my league. You have to talk to the state on how best they should be licensed. As far as I know, from my research, they are operating legally. As far as being licensed to others satisfaction, thats up to them or the state to determine that. Ive already answered that same question several times.
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I've never even gotten a straight answer as to what they're licensed as[/b]. Are they a therapeutic center or a school?
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Sorry, not stupid here. And the short bus comment was a reference more to Robert's slowness at comprehension than a slam at Short Bus himself. But hey if Shorty wants to dish it out...I can give back just as easily. Im not that much of a wus.
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Well everything I have researched is that their type of school doesnt NEED a specific license in the state of Georgia. But others disagree with me, so thats why I say just call the state and see if that question can be answered by them.
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On 2006-02-22 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've never even gotten a straight answer as to what they're licensed as[/b]. Are they a therapeutic center or a school?"
They're not licensed as ANYTHING. That's the problem. HLA is an UNLICENSED RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER.
They practice therapy without a license to do so. They run a 24/7 child care facility without a license to do so.
They list themselves as an "academics only boarding school" with the state. They're phony, crooked and greedy.
Does that explain it? I hope so, becaise if you're waiting for an intelligent response from SHH, you'll likely be long in the ground before that happens.
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On 2006-02-22 15:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"
On 2006-02-22 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've never even gotten a straight answer as to what they're licensed as[/b]. Are they a therapeutic center or a school?"
They're not licensed as ANYTHING. That's the problem. HLA is an UNLICENSED RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER.
They practice therapy without a license to do so. They run a 24/7 child care facility without a license to do so.
They list themselves as an "academics only boarding school" with the state. They're phony, crooked and greedy.
Does that explain it? I hope so, becaise if you're waiting for an intelligent response from SHH, you'll likely be long in the ground before that happens.
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Yes, DJ. That explains it and I already knew that but I actually was looking for SHH to answer. She's appointed herself spokesman for HLA so I was wondering how she'd explain the discrepancy.
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I didnt appoint myself anything. All I am stating is my opinion from my knowledge of things or my experiences with things at the school. I already said I don't know what the school should be licensed as. According to what I read, they dont have to have a license to operate as the type of school they are in the state of Georgia, which is unique in that it is BOTH a boarding school and therapeutic. They are the only one like that as far as I know. That may be why the state doesnt have them showing as licensed. Call the state if you want an answer...or call the school...either way I dont know the answer you want and youll have to get it somewhere else.
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Her original position was that they were licensed and accredited. When is was revealed that she didn?t understand the difference, she changed her tact- claiming that Ga doesn?t require ?private? schools to be licensed.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=50#83239 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5722&forum=9&start=50#83239)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#171662 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13864&forum=41&start=0#171662)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#163958 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13426&forum=9&start=0#163958)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 110#148050 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=110#148050)
And here are her opinions on the original staff at RC, who were not qualified to hold their positions:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#95955 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=20#95955)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#95979 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=30#95979)
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On 2006-02-22 15:33:00, SHH wrote:
"Robert I am not afraid of a single thing. I did NOTHING ILLEGAL can you not understand that? I remembered a first name of a kid. so fucking what? I didnt say WHEN he was there..I didnt say his last name, address, social security number, state he lived in, city he was from, what year he was there, nothing personal. I thought I remembered he was there for a few months, I think I said 3 or something. That was a guess. I thought the kid might be you...you said it wasnt. End of story. A first name could be anybody. I know for a fact there was more than one Devon there the years I lived on campus. I am not afraid of anything you threaten me with...and by the way, in case you have forgotten, you committed libel outright, who's got the case Robert? It sure isn't you. Get over the damn student's name thing already and move on. It's stupid, meaningless, and NOT ILLEGAL. Please read those words Robert...N O T I L L E G A L. Read this too...I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU. Do you finally get that through your head now? I sure hope so. :silly: "
My my Bullfrog why aer you getting so upset? So many curse words. Youre usually so together. Rough day?
Okay onto your nonsense.
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You know what the point has been made everyone on here with half a brain knows you posted the first name, date and length of stay of the student. They also know there is no way someone as limited as you could have such knowledge. Kick and scream all you want Bullfrog it changes nothing.
So here once again for the nine thousandth time is my challenge to you:
If you did nothing illegal do it again.
Release the name date and length of stay of another HLA student. Oh and claim and threaten to release where he lives.
If its legal you should be fine doing it.
As to your claims of libel, be serious Bullfrog, you have nothing on me. Well at least nothing I in turn couldnt countersue you for. Careful what you wish for slob.
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On 2006-02-22 15:41:00, SHH wrote:
"Because Robert is that fucking dense he can't get it through his head I didnt do anything illegal and keeps on repeating that crap over and over again. Tell him to shut the fuck up over his nonsense for once. Im tired of the bullshit from him. Its like he is slow or something. We need to change HIS name to Short Bus :rofl: "
Ill do it just as soon as you change your name to Bullfrog the Brainless.
Deal?
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On 2006-02-22 15:44:00, SHH wrote:
"The licensure question is out of my league. You have to talk to the state on how best they should be licensed. As far as I know, from my research, they are operating legally. As far as being licensed to others satisfaction, thats up to them or the state to determine that. Ive already answered that same question several times."
Oh but apparently you were so eager to chat about before. Swore up and down HLA was properly licensed..excuse me you swore up and down it was properly ACCREDITED (all because youre to stupid to know the difference between licensed and accredited). You ranted on and on about how they had recieved a state commendation (neglecting to mention it was purchased through campaign contributions) yet now you want to claim the issue is out of your leauge?
I mean dont get me wrong I agree with you. I would even argue such tasks as shoe tying and coloring are out of your leauge but I am curious as to why the sudden change of heart.
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On 2006-02-22 15:46:00, SHH wrote:
"Sorry, not stupid here. And the short bus comment was a reference more to Robert's slowness at comprehension than a slam at Short Bus himself. But hey if Shorty wants to dish it out...I can give back just as easily. Im not that much of a wus."
No you really cant, and yes you really are.
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***which is unique in that it is BOTH a boarding school and therapeutic.
Shall we split some hairs?
They don't meet the definition of a Boarding School put out many any organization concerned with such matters. Most importantly, the ICPC.
So, because they are the only 'BS w/therapeutics' in Ga, as you put it, and because the state has no classification for such an institution, they're exempt?
I think it has much more to do with lying or stretching the truth about 'services provided', because they absolutely meet the definition of an RTC.
My guess is that ORS is assuming that all aspects of the program are monitored by SACS, when in fact they are an 'accrediting' organization and as such are interested only in academics. And in light of what's been posted the last couple of days (re: all the "changes" and new equipment), one has to wonder exactly what SACS is looking for when they conduct their 'inspections'. If they in fact do.
Do they do inspections or doesn't HLA self-report?
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On 2006-02-22 15:47:00, SHH wrote:
"Well everything I have researched is that their type of school doesnt NEED a specific license in the state of Georgia. But others disagree with me, so thats why I say just call the state and see if that question can be answered by them."
We already did you stupid bitch thats the point. You meanwhile have done zero research and have not a clue as to what youre talking about yet you continue to pretend otherwise.
Tell us Bullfrog what is this research youve done?
You claim to have never spoken with ORS. Thats sort of the starting point as they are the licensing division for the state. Let me guess..your mole told you?
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On 2006-02-22 16:15:00, SHH wrote:
"I didnt appoint myself anything. All I am stating is my opinion from my knowledge of things or my experiences with things at the school. I already said I don't know what the school should be licensed as. According to what I read, they dont have to have a license to operate as the type of school they are in the state of Georgia, which is unique in that it is BOTH a boarding school and therapeutic. They are the only one like that as far as I know. That may be why the state doesnt have them showing as licensed. Call the state if you want an answer...or call the school...either way I dont know the answer you want and youll have to get it somewhere else."
Oh but thats not what you said..at all. Also theres a good chance that you didnt read anything about not having to be required to be licensed for the simple reason that I doubt you even know how to read. But on the off chance you can how much sense does it make that an RTC or even a Traditional boarding school wouldnt need to be licensed? Would you send your child to one? Stupid question I forgot you get off on these stories. Tell me Bullfrog how can something be both traditional and non traditional at the same time? Oh and as far as calling the school goes..well remember they tried your argument and claimed for sometime that RC was not required to be licensed.
Until Deborah stepped in. Same song and dance as before Bullfrog. You people will try and get with anything if you can...followed by calling us manipulators.
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On 2006-02-22 17:31:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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On 2006-02-22 15:47:00, SHH wrote:
"Well everything I have researched is that their type of school doesnt NEED a specific license in the state of Georgia. But others disagree with me, so thats why I say just call the state and see if that question can be answered by them."
We already did you stupid bitch thats the point. You meanwhile have done zero research and have not a clue as to what youre talking about yet you continue to pretend otherwise.
Tell us Bullfrog what is this research youve done?
You claim to have never spoken with ORS. Thats sort of the starting point as they are the licensing division for the state. Let me guess..your mole told you?"
Word of warning-
She may come back and report that ORS claims they are a private BS, therefore exempt from licensing. I'm not sure what it will take for ORS to understand (or believe) the scope of services provided.
What Traditional BSs diagnose 'mental disorders', run 18-24 month 'programs', do not provide 3-4 years of continuous education for participants, deny access to family and family visits?
Kids are housed there 24/7. That is the only similarity.
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***He obviously doesn't belive you. Why do you think that telling him over and over again and YELLING it will somehow convince him?
Because she is a stauch believer in the program methods.
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She wont ask about HLA specifically and shell tailor her questions to suit her wants.
However if shes bold enough to ask what is the main criteria for a traditional boarding school she will be told the primary focus must be on academics. I dont think even she can argue that the primary focus of HLA is now or has ever been academics.
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On 2006-02-22 17:46:00, Deborah wrote:
"***He obviously doesn't belive you. Why do you think that telling him over and over again and YELLING it will somehow convince him?
Because she is a stauch believer in the program methods."
Money.
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Ill do it just as soon as you change your name to Bullfrog the Brainless.
Deal?"
[/quote] LFMAO!!! :rofl:
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This is what I asked:
I asked what type of schools need to be licensed when they are residential, I asked what constitutes an RTC, what constitutes a traditional boarding school, what constitutes a wilderness camp, what state law requires as far as licensing, and when schools are exempt, and I asked specifically about Hidden Lake Academy's status.
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Rib-it... Rib-it :lol:
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Word of warning-
She may come back and report that ORS claims they are a private BS, therefore exempt from licensing. I'm not sure what it will take for ORS to understand (or believe) the scope of services provided.
What Traditional BSs diagnose 'mental disorders', run 18-24 month 'programs', do not provide 3-4 years of continuous education for participants, deny access to family and family visits?
Kids are housed there 24/7. That is the only similarity.
Well, according to HLA Truth, HLA provides a diagnosis for many kids and provides treatment planning for all of them. Just these two items disqualify HLA from being a "boarding school." It's that simple. Boarding schools CAN NOT provide treatment planning. It's cut and dried.
That being said, I have no idea what HLA ACTUALLY SAYS they do when dealing with the state.
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On 2006-02-22 19:28:00, SHH wrote:
"This is what I asked:
I asked what type of schools need to be licensed when they are residential, I asked what constitutes an RTC, what constitutes a traditional boarding school, what constitutes a wilderness camp, what state law requires as far as licensing, and when schools are exempt, and I asked specifically about Hidden Lake Academy's status. "
Would you be willing to post your email on here?
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I got my response..but it wasnt very helpful. They told me that as of Oct 1, 2004, it is a different division that oversees and regulates facilities. And they gave me a number to call. I wont be able to call the number today but they really didnt answer any of my questions.
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Wow so now you have something in common with them then huh?
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Responded to my e-mail,by sending it to another division, covering Childrens Facilities..more to come..
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Check the fifth paragraph
Negotiations on tax abatement for MBA stall
By Sharon Hall
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/artic ... nbrook.txt (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/articles/2005/12/07/news/03mountainbrook.txt)
Negotiations on tax abatement for a proposed new boarding school have been going back and forth between Lumpkin County Development Authority, the board of commissioners and Hidden Lake Academy's owner Dr. Len Buccellato since mid-October. Those negotiations may now be at an impasse, Buccellato says.
?I'm very confused. I don't understand the response from the commissioners,? Buccellato says.
Buccellato's Hidden Lake Academy hoped to build a new campus, Mountain Brook Academy, in the Hightower Church area. He approached the development authority asking for an abatement of property taxes for five years, with a graduated payment of taxes over the next five years at 20 percent per year.
The authority approved the plan and HLA was ready to make its presentation to the board at its October meeting.
An unexpected handout concerning the number of incidents REQUIRING SHERIFF'S OFFICE RESPONSE to the therapeutic boarding school on Camp Wahsega Road, and a LARGE TURNOUT OF Hightower Church area residents OPPOSED TO THE NEW FACILITY caused the school to reschedule its presentation, which was made at the November workshop. At that meeting, a large number of supporters appeared before the commission to urge tax abatements for the new facility.
A decision was expected at the Nov. 17 board meeting, but commissioners requested MBA renegotiate several points.
Originally, the board asked MBA to renegotiate
n Dedication of land for the county to build a fire station;
n Water service issues;
n Compliance with land use ordinance requirements;
n Guarantee of job creation;
n Guarantee of economic impact;
n ?Claw back? provisions (meaning if MBA fails to live up to the terms of the agreement, it must pay all taxes accrued to that point);
n Bond for title or equivalent Industrial Development Bond financing satisfactory to support the desired tax incentive; and
n Negotiated tax incentives providing for payment at the current rate for the unimproved land for three years with a five-year graduated increase of 20 percent per year.
?We did exactly what they said,? says Bill Gray, director of operations for MBA. ?We compromised as much as we could and thought it was all worked out.?
MBA agreed to
n donate land for a fire station if the county would extend public water service to the new school;
n asked the county to apply for an EIP (Employment Incentive Grant), or other grant, to fund a well water system on MBA property, which the school would dedicate for public use;
n comply with all land use requirements and ordinances;
n create 80 new jobs within two years of building completion and the school's full operation;
n guaranteed $4,500 in improvements;
n the ?claw back? provision that would allow the county to collect all taxes abated should it fail to create the proposed jobs or improvements;
n pay additional costs related to the Bond-for-Title or equivalent development authority bond financing to support the tax abatement; and
n to continue to pay existing taxes on the land, three years abatement after completion of the project and the 20 percent per year payment of taxes.
But a Nov. 17 called commission meeting revised the points once again, and what the commission wants, says Buccellato, makes the project impractical.
The board, in what it termed its ?final offer,? asked MBA for
n three acres of road frontage for a fire station, with the land reverting to MBA if the facility was not built within 10 years;
n agreed to apply for an EIP grant, with the stipulation that any costs, including administrative costs, over and above the EIP grant would be assumed by MBA. MBA would also have to pay water tap and service fees if public water was made available;
n tax abatement to begin in 2006, with graduated payments to begin in 2009;
n MBA would not request any other tax incentives, regardless of legal or tax status, from 2014-2019; and
n ?any legal action or threat of such action for any activities prior to this agreement against the commissioners, as a board or as individuals, shall cease.?
The real deal breaker, Buccellato says, is the tax abatement and when it begins.
? is only a few days away,? he says. ?We can't even begin ground work until March, so what good would tax abatement for 2006 be? What it comes down to is that by the time we pay for the bond at $45,000-plus, and other costs, the county is only giving us $22,000.?
Another factor that makes the deal unpalatable to MBA is giving up three acres of road frontage for a fire station. As designed, the only road frontage on the property would be where the gate is. The rest would be kept in trees to buffer the school from road access.
Buccellato said MBA would be willing to donate appropriate land on campus for a fire station, but did not think three acres would be required.
As for any legal action, Gray says none has been initiated at this point.
There is a ?perceived threat,? he says, because of a letter sent to District 4 Commissioner Marvin Martin. The letter requested Martin RETRACT OR CORRECT erroneous statements made in the handout distributed at the October board meeting.
Martin has not responded to the letter, according to Gray.
?No one told us about the Wednesday [Nov. 17] meeting. We would have been glad to change our plans and be there to hash it out. I'm not sure why they changed their minds. I'm very confused. This is our 12th year in Lumpkin County, and I think we have fairly evidenced what we have done and try to do for the community.?
According to the school's estimations, HBA and Ridge Creek, the two current facilities, had an economic impact of $12.3 million in 2004, the major portion coming from payroll for faculty and staff, 70 percent of whom live in the county.
It also contributes ?soft money? to the county in dollars spent by staff and visiting parents at local motels, inns, shops and restaurants.
Parents of HLA students are required to attend meetings quarterly, and while here stay in local motels and eat and shop on the square.
The new MBA would increase that impact, the school says. MBA plans to hire 80 new faculty members, in addition to food service staff. Parents of MBA students would be required to ATTEND MONTHLY MEETINGS :question: at the school, for an additional economic impact of about $11 million in 2007 alone.
The school has ?begun pursuing other options for making Mountain Brook a viable possibility,? states a letter to commissioners distributed at the Dec. 1 work session.
~~Was MBA going to take kids from the JJ system or something. Are parents really willing to travel across the country on a monthly basis?
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Good find Deb!
Hmmm. The economic impact on the surrounding community seems to be dictating therapeutic policy to some extent over at HLA.
Why all the calls to the sheriff?
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What type of program would require parents to attend monthly meetings? A program that houses local kids who are adjudicated to residential care?
Apparently the good people of Dahlonega didn't feel the economic benefits outweighed the negative impact of having another private-pay prison in their backyard.
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Calls to the Sherriff come from a constant stream of runaways.
In fact when I was there I recall one student having run away being chastised by Lee and told that three real emergency calls went unanswered because all the cops were out searching for this kid.
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So you don't think that a kid on the run is an emergency?
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On 2006-04-14 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So you don't think that a kid on the run is an emergency?"
It's a victory, short lived most likely but a victory nontheless.
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And no, in the grand scheme of emergencies, a runaway is far down on the list. Ya know...heart attack, major car accident, potential loss of life....that sort of thing would take priority over a runaway IMO.
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On 2006-04-14 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So you don't think that a kid on the run is an emergency?"
I believe HLA should stop forcing the county to clean up their mess simply because the school wants to pretend to be something its not.
I believe HLA should take care of its own problems, as it has no problem creating them.
And I believe someone being robbed or dying is more important than a runaway yes.
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On 2006-04-14 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So you don't think that a kid on the run is an emergency?"
Only if they're criminals escaped from detention. Call the police and tell them your kid has runaway from home and see how many officers they send out to search for him/her.
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An HLA employee reported today that funds from HLA (non-profit) were used to enhance the MBA property that is privately owned by Len Buccellato.
If this is the case, it is positively illegal.
Time for an IRS audit perhaps?
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IRS has not done ANYTHING!
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What kind of kids would be attending MBA? Were they going to house juvenile delinquents?
Public deserves clear answers about HLA expansion
To the editor:
Few residents of the area near the proposed Hidden Lake Academy expansion (Hightower Church, Siloam Church and Oak Grove roads) were able to attend the last commissioners' meeting. Those who did were overwhelmed by emotional and sometimes not too kind public comments about our concerns on the institutions purpose, location and request for tax breaks.
Employees and associates of Hidden Lake were around in such force I was concerned as to who was watching the institution. Since Mr. Essert and Mr. Buccellato have graciously invited questions, I have some.
It seems the residents were the last to know about this proposal. When did you first decide on this project and why was the first officials communication to the local community received after three county meetings? Why would the surveyors not tell anyone what they were surveying for?
It appears that you already have infrastructure and sufficient space at Hidden Lake for additional facilities to accommodate this new population at a greatly reduced cost. If so, then why is it necessary to open a new location? Is there a reason you must separate these students from the others?
I keep hearing words from your folks that relate directly to mental health. Is this a Laurelwood replacement? Would "co-location" cause concern to parents of current students?
Without waiver, the 30-second delay doors you mentioned constitute secure custody ... detention. Even then, this is not a long reaction time. How many security people will be on duty, especially at night? Will your alarm system be connected to the sheriff's department? It appears that you have chosen to place a riskier population than you currently serve in a location with a significantly higher density of Lumpkin County families.
As far as providing jobs for current residents, an analysis of your Web site indicates that 60 percent of your academically-credentialed staff, those who make the best salaries, originally came from out of state. Probably even more came from out of the county. Also, do you plan to construct additional faculty housing so employees do not have to pay property taxes? I suspect you will create jobs ... and then bring in the people to fill them.
Our property taxes support our children's schools. They support roads like the one the county apparently paved for you at Hidden Lake. If you are so interested in giving, then why can you not give your fair share of taxes like everyone else? Are the children of Lumpkin County not important to you?
In closing, there were some facts presented at the last meeting that you took issue with. If those facts were a little off (and I am not convinced of that) it probably is a function of how fast you are trying to push this through without adequate time for people to obtain reliable information. The public deserves some clear answers ... not Madison Avenue ads, spin and pressure tactics.
Sincerely,
Billy Wells,
Colonel, Infantry,
Retired,
Dahlonega
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More details on why the Commissioners refused to give HLA a tax abatement for MBA. Of particular interest are the calls to 911.
November 9, 2005
Hidden Lake responds to opposition
By Sharon Hall
Hidden Lake Academy presented its side of the argument to the Lumpkin County Board of Commissioners over whether tax abatements should be given to a proposed new project at a work session Nov. 1.
The proposed project, Mountain Brook Academy, faced heavy opposition from homeowners in the Hightower Church community, where the new academy would be located, at October's board meeting.
HLA is asking for a five-year tax abatement and five years of graduated taxes at 20 percent over the next five years.
The privately-owned therapeutic boarding school made the request at the October development authority meeting, where members of the authority voted to recommend the abatement to the board of commissioners.
Residents in the neighborhood of the proposed academy, however, not only objected to the tax abatements, but oppose the presence of the facility in the community.
HLA was scheduled to present its case at the board meeting, but asked to be removed from the agenda after viewing a handout concerning information on 911 calls and Lumpkin County Sheriff's Office case numbers purportedly involving HLA students.
?We were hit with something we weren't prepared for,? said Herman Essert, HLA consultant on the project.
?There's a lot of stir in the community about what Mountain Brook is and isn't,? said Bill Gray, business director of HLA and Ridge Creek, the boarding school's wilderness leadership program, ?a lot of rumors flying around.?
HLA returned to the commission after researching some of the information contained in the handout to ?clear up some of the issues brought up,? Essert said, and to dispel the rumors.
?One rumor is that Hidden Lake is building a prison,? Gray said. ?That's not what we're here for. There will be no barbed wire, no guard towers, and we're not getting ready to sell it to the state for a prison. It looks like a school. The difference is the kids will be staying on the property, with boys' and girls' dorms. We don't work with criminals. We work with kids who have academic problems. Mountain Brook is for kids who are further behind in academics and who have emotional development problems. They will be staying on campus more than Hidden Lake kids because they need to focus more in order to catch up. Mountain Brook is not a lock-down facility, but the difference is we can physically detain students there. They won't be walking down your roads.?
Essert addressed specific information contained in the handout passed out at the Oct. 21 board meeting. One of the incidents reported was a call to LCSO concerning ?shots fired.? That call, Essert said, was made by HLA.
?It was a Lumpkin County resident shooting at the side of our dorm,? he told the commissioners. :o
Another call mentioned in the handout was of a bomb threat. That call was made by HLA because the school ?received a call from a young man in Tennessee who found out his parents were sending him to Hidden Lake.?
A number of ?unruly juvenile? incidents were listed on the handout. HLA researched the records, and found that from 2002 until present, calls about unruly juveniles from HLA and Ridge Creek (HLA's second school) account for only 2.5 percent of all such calls in Lumpkin County - 7 out of a total of 282 calls.
The handout also stated 38.5 percent of all runaway calls to LCSO were received from HLA, and that each case requires two to 20 man-hours from the sheriff's office.
While the number of runaway calls from HLA is high, Essert said, ?that doesn't paint a true picture. We have an obligation to parents and kids to call Lumpkin County Sheriff's Office when a child leaves campus. Sheriff McClure said that less than half the calls ever get assigned to an officer. Many of the kids get about half way down Wahsega Road - the store - and turn around and walk back.?
The total number of 911 calls between 2002 and present were 85,981. Of those, Essert said, 102 originated from HLA or Ridge Creek.
[2.8 per month]
?That's less than one-half of one percent. I don't think we're that big of an influence on Lumpkin County Sheriff's Office.?
Essert added that in all instances of property damage caused by HLA students restitution was made.
Essert also presented the ?dollars and cents and economics? of HLA's request. In hard money, he said, HLA's economic impact on the county during 2004 was $12.3 million. The major portion of that figure was payroll for HLA's faculty and staff, 70 percent of whom live in the county.
HLA also contributes ?soft money? to the county, which is harder to estimate, Essert said. This contribution is made up of employee and visitor spending.
Parents of HLA students are required to attend meetings quarterly, and while here stay in local motels and eat and shop on the square and in the county, he said.
Mountain Brook Academy plans to hire 80 additional faculty, plus food service staff.
In addition, parents will be required to attend monthly meetings at the school, for an estimated economic impact of $11,000-plus in 2006 alone.
In addition, Essert said, Mountain Brook is an ?environmentally soft industry that compliments the area.
?We are asking for a $71,000 tax incentive, but that's $71,000 the county can only collect if we go ahead and build Mountain Brook in Lumpkin County. We're asking the county to help us to bring an $11,000 economic impact here.?
A number of audience members spoke in favor of tax abatement for the proposed project.
?I was on the development authority in an Ohio town when tax abatements were initiated there,? Fred Fister told the commissioners. ?I got in touch with the city manager there to ask him how they had worked out. He told me they have had 30 projects since tax abatements were started, and they have had a great effect on the economy, especially on the school system.?
Dahlonega Mayor Gary McCullough pointed out that the only real tax abatement would be the amount of taxes currently paid by HLA.
?I was against it until I looked at the numbers,? he said, ?but all you're really giving them is $6,500 a year. I'd love to have industry like that in the city.?
Development authority member Don Trice told the board he voted for the abatement.
?I have experience with public/private partnerships. This is abatement of taxes that won't be here if they don't build the facility.?
?I think this is something we should do for other businesses coming in,? an audience member told the board. ?For every dollar of income the county gets in new taxes, it puts out 35 cents for services for businesses and $1.05 in services for residences. We need more businesses to help balance the tax base.?
?If you think you have to spur growth in Lumpkin County, just take a look down 400. You don't have to give tax incentives to spur growth,? Hightower Church community resident Billy Wells told the commissioners.
?Where do you draw the line?? asked Bernice Ricketts, co-owner of Moore's Hardware. ?We are a struggling business, and we could use a tax break. If you do it for this business, I'm going to come see what I can do, and I think a lot of others will too.?
Several people also spoke favorably of their experiences with HLA students.
One lady who works with the youngsters at her church said, ?They are the best troubled kids I've ever worked with. They are setting goals for themselves, they want to heal their relationships with their families. I'm in support of more facilities like Hidden Lake.?
One HLA employee told commissioners that 100 percent of HLA students are accepted to college, and the youngsters have donated many hours in community service.
?How can one call these people criminal? Facilities like this are sorely need in this country. Hidden Lake Academy deserves every consideration.?
Steve Churchwell of St. Luke's Catholic Church said he visits HLA monthly.
?One of the high points of my living here is my association with these kids.?
A member of HLA faculty said she had taught ?unruly kids in Fulton County, and I was an unruly kid. I would take any Hidden Lake Academy student home with me or to my parent's home without a second thought. These kids do have problems, but they are not kids who are going to attack you.?
?I think fear makes cowards of us all,? District 1 Commissioner ?Dr. John? Raber told the crowd. ?I think we all have fear of someone new coming to town, but that's not the case here. My wife is a high school counselor, and I asked her about what kind of kids are at Hidden Lake. She said, ?What do you mean? You raised two of them.'
?When you have 60 percent of your ad valorem taxes coming from residential and 40 percent from commercial enterprises, you're bleeding.
?When it's 90 percent from residential, you're hemorrhaging.
?Folks, we're hemorrhaging here in Lumpkin County.?
?I have the fear of a sucking sound going down the road to the new Wal-Mart in Dawson County,? one man replied. ?Wal-Mart is the largest taxpayer in Lumpkin County. We have to do everything we can to keep businesses like Mountain Brook here.?
The commission will vote on the tax abatement issue at the monthly board of commissioners meeting Nov. 17, 6 p.m. at City Hall.
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/artic ... antion.txt (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/articles/2005/11/09/news/05hlaexpantion.txt)
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Wells' response was posted in another thread:
http://wwf.avigation.net/viewtopic.php? ... lls#192918 (http://wwf.avigation.net/viewtopic.php?p=192918&highlight=wells#192918)
Excerpt:
What's Hidden other than the Lake?
Who dreamed up this larceny?
If I could afford one of those $600 ads it would go something like this. A year at Harvard University ... $41,675. Four years at the University of Georgia ... $41,112. A year at Hidden Lake Academy ... $64,800. Perspective on a $71,000 tax break for Hidden Lake ... priceless.
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One young girl didn't make it down the road to the store..twice...
According to reports and her family she was picked up on two different occasions..and raped....dumped in the park, shot up with drugs...Did the police find her, did anyone follow her down the road? no, her parents found her unconscious in the park on one of those occasions....
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When did this supposedly happen? this incident
SHH
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Please remember people if Susie the Bullfrog did not see an event occur....
IT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!!
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Well, we already know MBA is a dead project. We also know that kids were used to improve the MBA property for the 'equestrian program.'
What we didn't know was that Len has been furiously trying to sell the MBA property (it's listed in MLS). Reportedly a potential sale fell through due to the existing legal entanglements.
Here's my question: What happens to the riding program when the property is sold?
Also, were they going to tell parents they were selling off this property? Discontinuing the riding program?
Has anyone recently followed up with the state regarding using the kids' labor for material improvement to the property???
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No no no Dysfunction, the kids volunteered. Those guns were there to protect the kids against wild deers and the balls and chains around the kids ankles were there again voluntarily.
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Are any of these names connected to HLA? I was looking for some connection between Wozny and HLA. This is the ladies club of Dahlonega...
President - Sue Neil
1st Vice President - Carol Hesse
2nd Vice President - Sandy Lundberg
Secretary - Pat Wozny
Treasurer - Debbie Harris
DEPARTMENT CHAIRMEN:
ARTS - Marilou Kinney
CONSERVATION - Betty Jo Tucker
EDUCATION - Karen Smith
HOME LIFE - Ronda Davis
INTERNATIONAL - Molly Callender
PUBLIC AFFAIRS - Ronda Davis
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Is Wozny connected to PV?
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No, I was wondering why she was so plinched up over the deal and was hoping there was some nepotism involved.