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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: juniper2 on January 23, 2006, 12:47:00 AM
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Has anyone on this forum actually filed a lawsuit against HLA( other than building contractors)..If so, why? If not, why?
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On 2006-01-22 21:47:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Has anyone on this forum actually filed a lawsuit against HLA( other than building contractors)..If so, why? If not, why?"
Of course they haven't, because they do not have a case.
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On 2006-01-23 07:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 21:47:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Has anyone on this forum actually filed a lawsuit against HLA( other than building contractors)..If so, why? If not, why?"
Of course they haven't, because they do not have a case. "
I am aware of several that are in the beginning stages. There are recent ex-employees who are going to testify on behalf of the abused. You may not see a criminl idictment (although there is at least one criminal investigation ongoing), but you will see cases setlled for a lot of money. It's coming. Be patient.
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On 2006-01-23 07:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 21:47:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Has anyone on this forum actually filed a lawsuit against HLA( other than building contractors)..If so, why? If not, why?"
Of course they haven't, because they do not have a case. "
The Straight kids used to be told that all the time. DJ is right, patience pays off. Miller Newton has over $11.5 M in judgments or settlements against him. Of course he filed bankruptcy but apparently couldn't get that right either. His bankruptcy trustee has now filed fraud charges against him for hiding assets.
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Do you know that for sure? It just seems weird
that everyone has all these dark tales, but
there have been no lawsuits...unless, there have
been out of court settlements...If finances were
a factor, there are 'decent' attorneys that would have taken their cases on contingency
basis...It doesn't make sense...
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On 2006-01-23 07:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 07:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 21:47:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Has anyone on this forum actually filed a lawsuit against HLA( other than building contractors)..If so, why? If not, why?"
Of course they haven't, because they do not have a case. "
The Straight kids used to be told that all the time. DJ is right, patience pays off. Miller Newton has over $11.5 M in judgments or settlements against him. Of course he filed bankruptcy but apparently couldn't get that right either. His bankruptcy trustee has now filed fraud charges against him for hiding assets."
"What doesn't come out in the wash comes out in the rinse."
Remember, the parents that have gotten together to explore the lawsuits are no financial patsies. The wealth and influence HLA uses to control individuals and their kids isn't going to hold up under the collective influence and assets of these wealthy, disgruntled, defrauded parents.
It may take a while but it's in the pipe.
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On 2006-01-23 07:58:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Do you know that for sure? It just seems weird
that everyone has all these dark tales, but
there have been no lawsuits...unless, there have
been out of court settlements...If finances were
a factor, there are 'decent' attorneys that would have taken their cases on contingency
basis...It doesn't make sense..."
Perhaps for a 'class action'. Rarely for an individual, particularly when it's the kid's word against the program. I've been through a lawsuit with another facility. It was a class action and drug on for five years. Some choose to act in other ways than taking legal action.
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Is there any way for a parent to get back their deposit if they remove their kid early. What if they can prove the child's needs aren't being met?
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On 2006-01-23 07:58:00, juniper2 wrote:
If finances were
a factor, there are 'decent' attorneys that would have taken their cases on contingency
basis...
Not necessarily. They won't take it unless they're reasonably sure they can win and recover their costs/fees. These places have been insulated and protected for so long by so many powerful people (see Straight and the Bushes) that it can be extremely difficult to find an atty to take it on contingency....or take it at all for that matter. Remember that these kids already have "strikes" against them. They're DRUG ADDICTED KIDS for chrissake. You can't believe ANYthing that comes out of their mouths. :roll:
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On 2006-01-23 08:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is there any way for a parent to get back their deposit if they remove their kid early. What if they can prove the child's needs aren't being met?"
I've suggested breach of contract before. Don't know how well that would play, seems reasonable though.
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On 2006-01-23 08:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is there any way for a parent to get back their deposit if they remove their kid early. What if they can prove the child's needs aren't being met?"
Read your contract. Money should not be a concern where your child's welfare is at stake.
Of course, ANY professional therapist who sees your kid would write an evaluation stating that HLA is incapable of helping your child and did not provide adequate mental health care.
Go get your kid and sue them for your refund if need be. Kid comes first, money comes second.
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I wonder if someone could make a case for medical neglect or deprivation.
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Wow, you really are worried, aren't you? :eek:
The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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Only through an attorney....and not in LUmpkin
County... And, then,good luck..but, it is not
impossible....
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ISACCORP recommended seeing a therapist first,
after removing your child, only to be sure
the child is not traumatized beyond limits...not for
evaluating that HLA did not help them...
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Medical neglect comes with the meds(when they screw up or send the medication C.O.D. through the mail), or, your child is ill, and they do not
send them to the doctor for a month.Attempted
suicide by cutting, not treated as an attempted
suicide, etc..
Deprivation: Restricitions Limited food..
Standing in the rain or snow for hours,
doing mundane boulder carrying ,or climbing up and
down a hill for hours,not being allowed to use bathroom facilities, being yelled at and grilled for hours, sitting in a gymnasium for hours, waiting
for your parents to come free you, and the list goes on....
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On 2006-01-23 09:20:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Medical neglect comes with the meds(when they screw up or send the medication C.O.D. through the mail), or, your child is ill, and they do not
send them to the doctor for a month.Attempted
suicide by cutting, not treated as an attempted
suicide, etc..
Deprivation: Restricitions Limited food..
Standing in the rain or snow for hours,
doing mundane boulder carrying ,or climbing up and
down a hill for hours,not being allowed to use bathroom facilities, being yelled at and grilled for hours, sitting in a gymnasium for hours, waiting
for your parents to come free you, and the list goes on...."
I know this is not the point you were making, but just as an aside...
Cutting and attempted suicide are two very different things and are intentionally dealt with differently. Any new research will back this up.
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"I know this is not the point you were making, but just as an aside..."
This is your mantra, dipshit.
State your name and state your case or shut up. You're too full of shit to be taken seriously.
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On 2006-01-23 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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"I know this is not the point you were making, but just as an aside..."
This is your mantra, dipshit.
State your name and state your case or shut up. You're too full of shit to be taken seriously.
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You people on this board are just mean. I can't believe you profess to be going to bat for the victims, but then degrade people when they are trying to make a valid point. It must be hard for anyone to take you seriously.
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"It must be hard for anyone to take you seriously."
The feeling is mutual, I assure you. You aren't taken seriously by anybody here. You haven't ONE SINGLE TIME answered any questions put to you. You just bitch and moan about "meanness."
Well, suck it up, deal with the hurt feelings, and let people know who you are and why you're here. If you can't do that much, then, well, you deserve what you get.
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On 2006-01-23 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
You people on this board are just mean. I can't believe you profess to be going to bat for the victims, but then degrade people when they are trying to make a valid point. It must be hard for anyone to take you seriously."
A few of us know a bit more about these posters than you are aware of. Believe me, they're getting off easy.
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On 2006-01-23 07:58:00, juniper2 wrote:
Not necessarily. They won't take it unless they're reasonably sure they can win and recover their costs/fees. These places have been insulated and protected for so long by so many powerful people (see Straight and the Bushes) that it can be extremely difficult to find an atty to take it on contingency....or take it at all for that matter. Remember that these kids already have "strikes" against them. They're DRUG ADDICTED KIDS for chrissake. You can't believe ANYthing that comes out of their mouths. :grin:
Youre obviously a child abuse apologist who is making the same argument as Holocaust revisionist.
"They're JEWS for chrissake. You can't believe ANYthing that comes out of their mouth."
Youre no different than some skinhead. To stupid to accept the facts, using your bigotry to make descions for you.
To bad for you the truth has already been revealed. Even drug addicts tell the truth from time to time.
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On 2006-01-23 15:34:00, RobertBruce wrote:
*cough Bullfrog cough*
Not all of of us dipshit.
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Youre obviously a child abuse apologist who is making the same argument as Holocaust revisionist.
"They're JEWS for chrissake. You can't believe ANYthing that comes out of their mouth."
Youre no different than some skinhead. To stupid to accept the facts, using your bigotry to make descions for you.
To bad for you the truth has already been revealed. Even drug addicts tell the truth from time to time. "
Settle down Robert. It was meant to be sarcastic. I AM one of those 'drug addicted' kids. No one believed what I was saying about my program for years and years.
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Robert that wasn't me posting that.
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On 2006-01-23 15:39:00, SHH wrote:
"Robert that wasn't me posting that. "
You're quick to point out anon posts that aren't yours. Why not so eager to point out anon post that ARE yours?
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On 2006-01-23 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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"I know this is not the point you were making, but just as an aside..."
This is your mantra, dipshit.
State your name and state your case or shut up. You're too full of shit to be taken seriously.
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But what if they actually believe this? Kids often die in this industry because the alleged adults in charge actually believe in things like faking all of the signs of exhaustion and dementia or suicide by appendicitis.
When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
Robert Anton Wilson
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I responded to that one because Robert thought that one was mine. He used his usual Bullfrog comment on it.
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Even if it wasnt you, its your usual ditrabe and nonsense.
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On 2006-01-23 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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"I know this is not the point you were making, but just as an aside..."
This is your mantra, dipshit.
State your name and state your case or shut up. You're too full of shit to be taken seriously.
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You people on this board are just mean. I can't believe you profess to be going to bat for the victims, but then degrade people when they are trying to make a valid point. It must be hard for anyone to take you seriously."
I'll tell you what mean is.
Being held incommunicado, against your will, with no advocate. Having your every thought or feeling scrutinized 24/7, and being punished for every little smirk or fart, and for things that are allegations, not proven. Sleeping outside with no protection from the elements. being fed a diet deficient in calories. Being told you are lying about your true feelings, and released from punishment when you make up a good lie.
Behavior Modification needs to go the way of the dinasaur. It never did 'work', in any humane kind of way. It totally disregards the child's needs and models nothing about repsectful relationships.
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RB, not sure how you got your wires crossed but that quote was not Juniper's it was an anon.
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I know, it got messed up duing the quote posting.
So anon tell us whats mean.
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When there is so much blood left all over the floors, it is more than just "Cutting"...
Hello???and why don't you 'people' sign in with your user name??????????????????????????
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On 2006-01-23 16:13:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
But what if they actually believe this? Kids often die in this industry because the alleged adults in charge actually believe in things like faking all of the signs of exhaustion and dementia or suicide by appendicitis.
When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
Robert Anton Wilson
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Who cares who's meaner than whom? I think ya'll are missing each other on a very vital point. These people seem, for all the world, to believe what they're saying! That's not something to be mad about, it's pittiable. You can't punish them out of it or get them to admit guilt. Eventually, most of us smarten up and quit believing the mythology; some quicker than others if ever. The intentionally and profficiently obtuse are not going to be convinced, no point in trying. Just accept that they freely admit to believing that a kid cutting themselves doesn't need professional help.
Talk w/ yer feet. The Roman Catholic Church had a policy of burning all pre-Columbian information as pagan.
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