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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: CCM girl 1989 on January 18, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
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This makes no sense to me! I mean come on!!! Are you fricken kidding me? Where can we all sign up to hear his interpertation of the Book Of Mormon? It's just wrong!
President/founder of WWASPS by weekdays.
Gospel Doctrine Teacher on weekends (sundays).
I don't think it could get any stranger!
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On 2006-01-18 17:03:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
"This makes no sense to me! I mean come on!!! Are you fricken kidding me? Where can we all sign up to hear his interpertation of the Book Of Mormon? It's just wrong!
President/founder of WWASPS by weekdays.
Gospel Doctrine Teacher on weekends (sundays).
I don't think it could get any stranger!
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It goes way back. Same game, different players. Twisted isn't it? http://thestraights.com/miller-newton-story.htm (http://thestraights.com/miller-newton-story.htm)Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Well, that was an interesting read! I even watched the video of him.........I love it when he's saying under oath that 70-75% of the kids were not in school when they came to the program, so it was okay if they didn't continue? Did I get that right? It's hard to understand the guy?
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As unbelievable as it is... I really am beginning to think they believe their own bullshit. Crazy world we live in... ::armed::
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WHATEVER!!!! I'm signing up for his next class! I will be the one in the back raising my hand being disruptive! Can you imagine?!!! Um...excuse me Mr. Lichfield what do you mean by thou shall not harm another human being???
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I've said it before, and now this post has prompted me to say it yet again, YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC!!! It's honestly so sad that you care what anyone does in their free time, and especially in their religion, as for ccm girl hopefully i'll be the one to sit in the back of the room on your judgement day and raise my hand to remind you that: "thou shall not judge." Fact of fiction the stories and whining on these boards is so pathetic, move on with your lives, go to college, start families, do whatever I want you to but stop being such victims to a place that does more good than bad, and continues to save the lives of hundreds of teens each year.
-proudgrad
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On 2006-01-19 07:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've said it before, and now this post has prompted me to say it yet again, YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC!!! It's honestly so sad that you care what anyone does in their free time, and especially in their religion, as for ccm girl hopefully i'll be the one to sit in the back of the room on your judgement day and raise my hand to remind you that: "thou shall not judge." Fact of fiction the stories and whining on these boards is so pathetic, move on with your lives, go to college, start families, do whatever I want you to but stop being such victims to a place that does more good than bad, and continues to save the lives of hundreds of teens each year.
-proudgrad"
Whatever proudgrad! I don't care if you think I'm pathetic! I understand at times I go off the deep end, and share a little too much (atleast maybe for your comfort level). But, I want everyone to know what kind of places these really are. I want parents to really know what they are getting themselves, as well as their children into.
I am extremely disappointed that WWASPS has not cleaned up it's act. The fact you defend a place like that..........you are either the devil himself, or a paid staff member. I've said it before (about a month ago), and I will say it again........you are no graduate from any of their programs. I want you to realize that I will not go away. I will not stop saying what I think and feel. I will continue to tell people the truth about theses places.
I will bring these things up about Mr. Lichfield as I see fit. They are the truth, and I'm not attacking his religon. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of why a man who started these kiddie prisons is now teaching the gospel?!! I think it's bizaar......I want others opinions........because quite frankly I just don't get it?!!
As far as you sitting in the room while I am being judged? Um.......I don't think you'll be invited to the party. But, I'm sure it's not the first, nor will it be the last party you are not invited to. Hey, that's just the way it goes!
See you around P-Grad.
R
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YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC!!!
"thou shall not judge."
:roll:
Fact of fiction the stories and whining on these boards is so pathetic, move on with your lives, go to college, start families, do whatever I want you to but stop being such victims to a place that does more good than bad, and continues to save the lives of hundreds of teens each year.
"thou shall not judge."
:roll:
Also, just FYI, you cant tit-for-tat and say "more good than bad" excuses any bad done. If you do bad, youre held accountable for it - unless you think ourselves, or children in programs should be held to higher standards than the programs themselves.
But, well, then again, the only good any program does is good in the eyes of the few, not the many. We dont consider destroying someone on the inside and remaking them as a stepford kid because their parents made something up or they have a real problem 'good'.
So... you just declared a program to be good without proving it, then contradicted yourself twice. Got any more gems of wizdumb?I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Not only did he start these kiddie prisons, he still profits from them!!!!! I could understand if he didn't have anything to do with WWASPS, but he does, and now is teaching/preaching. The two totally contradict one another!!! Get a clue, and pull your head outta your ***.
Don't you look at the photos of these kids with shaved heads, marching in lines, laying on the floors, and go what the **** is that all about? Who deserves to be treated that way? Nobody does that's who!!! So, do me a favor, and shut it!
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On 2006-01-19 07:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've said it before, and now this post has prompted me to say it yet again, YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC!!! It's honestly so sad that you care what anyone does in their free time, and especially in their religion, as for ccm girl hopefully i'll be the one to sit in the back of the room on your judgement day and raise my hand to remind you that: "thou shall not judge." Fact of fiction the stories and whining on these boards is so pathetic, move on with your lives, go to college, start families, do whatever I want you to but stop being such victims to a place that does more good than bad, and continues to save the lives of hundreds of teens each year.
-proudgrad"
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#166121 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13538&forum=22&start=0#166121)
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thats fine that you don't think i'm a grad, I graduated from scl around 2000, I went through the same exact program that many of you did, the difference is that I chose to make it a positive experience, as for him profiting the reality is that it's a business, therefore there's nothing wrong with proffiting
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You know what P-Grad........I don't think I am even going to waste my time trying to get you to understand!
I will never believe that you were actually a graduate from the program, and I doubt anyone else will either. You're clearly full of it!
The only reason I even bother to acknowledge you, is because I don't want parents to get the wrong impression. I guess I feel it my duty to alert parents who are thinking of sending their kids to any of the WWASP schools, that they will not come out sounding, and acting like you.
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Wow, I really hope ccm girl that you're not as ignorant as you sound. Any parent who is considering sending their child to an RTC deserves to hear both sides of the story. Unfortunately for you hundreds of parents continue to send their children to these facilities because of the stories that graduates such as myself have to tell. Not only do I strongly believe in the positive benifits that these schools have to offer, I do someday plan on making my career working in RTCs with troubled teenagers, as for now I'm just a college student, and I am in noway affiliated with any program, other than as a graduate. It's just so amazing to me that you and I have gone through such a similar experience and yet we have completely different outcomes. I am and never have been angry in anyway for being sent to the program, I know that my parents did it to spare me from the road that I was on at that time, I know it was the one of the greatest sacrafices and demonstrations of love that a parent can make. Having graduated 6 years ago I still remain strong in the conviction that the program truly saved my life, and parents have the right to know that! In fact it's interesting to me that of the thousands of kids who have been in wwasp programs since their founding there are so few of you who claim to have been abused, like many parents I choose to believe the majority rather than the vast majority. So out of curiosity what have you done with your life since leaving the program, what do you do for a living, how much education have you recieved? After all life truly is based on results!:)
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What do you mean by........SOMEDAY MAKING YOUR CAREER IN WORKING IN RTC'S??? You already are! Do they pay you hourly for the work you are doing? Or is it salary??? Just curious!!! :lol:
If you are truely interested in what I am doing with my life I urge you to e-mail me privately with your number so we can talk. Maybe I can change your mind on making your career in RTC's!
See ya!
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On 2006-01-20 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow, I really hope ccm girl that you're not as ignorant as you sound. Any parent who is considering sending their child to an RTC deserves to hear both sides of the story. Unfortunately for you hundreds of parents continue to send their children to these facilities because of the stories that graduates such as myself have to tell. Not only do I strongly believe in the positive benifits that these schools have to offer, I do someday plan on making my career working in RTCs with troubled teenagers, as for now I'm just a college student, and I am in noway affiliated with any program, other than as a graduate. It's just so amazing to me that you and I have gone through such a similar experience and yet we have completely different outcomes. I am and never have been angry in anyway for being sent to the program, I know that my parents did it to spare me from the road that I was on at that time, I know it was the one of the greatest sacrafices and demonstrations of love that a parent can make. Having graduated 6 years ago I still remain strong in the conviction that the program truly saved my life, and parents have the right to know that! In fact it's interesting to me that of the thousands of kids who have been in wwasp programs since their founding there are so few of you who claim to have been abused, like many parents I choose to believe the majority rather than the vast majority. So out of curiosity what have you done with your life since leaving the program, what do you do for a living, how much education have you recieved? After all life truly is based on results!:) "
For anyone who denies brainwashing works, here is proof. Still spouting slogans to this day... how very sad. I wish you well finding your way outside the umbrella of the program one day, freedom of the mind is a wonderful thing.
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A lot of people in ministry are in it for the wrong reasons, and are crooks.
For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned by our surroundings.
--Environment is a sculptor -- a painter.
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So, since I don't know where to sign up for one of his classes? Do you think he might fly out to California to give me some lessons on how to live my life? Do you think he could save my soul?!!!
How about they all come out as a team, because my soul needs A LOT of help! Just kidding, I am as good, and sweet as they come. Well......most of the time that is!!!! :razz:
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On 2006-01-19 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"thats fine that you don't think i'm a grad, I graduated from scl around 2000, I went through the same exact program that many of you did, the difference is that I chose to make it a positive experience, as for him profiting the reality is that it's a business, therefore there's nothing wrong with proffiting"
P-Grad,
I gave you the whole weekend to shoot me a private message....what happened?!! I think we all know what happened!!! Anyway, good luck staying out of trouble!
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http://www.alternet.org/story/31000/ (http://www.alternet.org/story/31000/)
So far, WWASPS hasn't chosen the God loophole, but its officials attach such religious zeal to teen control that the "faith-based" label would fit the company snugly. "Do I believe that God is finding a way for teens to get help? I do," Lichfield once told the Los Angeles Times. "Do I believe that Satan is interested in thwarting it? I do." Asked in December about his boss's remarks, Kay waxed philosophical: "If you have a spiritual side, I think you can truly believe that there may be some adversarial part of our nature and makeup that gets involved." Then there are other adversaries, some of whom Kay has called "wackos" -- a steady parade of unhappy mothers and teens, as well as the pesky foreign cops who have arrested camp leaders at Kay's schools for "human rights violations."
The company has spent the last decade trailblazing an unregulated frontier. Like manufacturers, they've outsourced to foreign countries which have different laws and standards. A predecessor like STRAIGHT, Inc., from 1976 to 1993 the foremost teenage drug rehab outfit in America, was driven out of business by liability and sued for false imprisonment and manhandling of children. But as industry watchers have discovered, the early 1990s saw new business models emerging for "tough love." WWASPS' approach has been a goldmine. By splintering its business empire into fragments -- including Teen Help, Adolescent Services, Inc., and Teen Escort (the teen retrieval arm) -- it has received much more leeway to conceal accountability and money trails, its critics argue. Draw a map of the network, Utah state prosecutor Craig Barlowe told the New York Times in 2003, and you'll see "a lateral arabesque with no hub except for these connections in Utah." Barlowe was pursuing a child abuse charge against the director of a WWASP-affiliated school at the time.
On the consumer end, parents are offered thousands of dollars in sales incentives for finding new kids or promoting WWASP schools, the New York Times has reported. The schools' hunger for pupils has created a proliferation of promotional websites -- like FamilyFirstAid.org -- beckoning mom and dad to ship the kid to the "friendly tourist Island [sic]" of Tranquility Bay, the "prime forest land" of WWASPS' Spring Creek Lodge and other pleasurable-sounding destinations. (As author Maia Szalavitz documents in her upcoming book, Help at Any Cost, at WWASPS program Paradise Cove in Samoa, which is now shuttered, kids caught scabies, and guards confined bad kids to a 3 feet by 3 feet plywood chamber that teens referred to as "The Box.")
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On 2006-01-23 08:58:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
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On 2006-01-19 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"thats fine that you don't think i'm a grad, I graduated from scl around 2000, I went through the same exact program that many of you did, the difference is that I chose to make it a positive experience, as for him profiting the reality is that it's a business, therefore there's nothing wrong with proffiting"
P-Grad,
I gave you the whole weekend to shoot me a private message....what happened?!! I think we all know what happened!!! Anyway, good luck staying out of trouble!
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Also, you say you graduated around 2000???? Like you are not sure? See, I know your full of it! Here's why.....
I was sent away 1-16-86 to Heritage School
I was transfered to CCM 5-27-89
I ran away 2-14-90 from CCM and never returned.
I stayed in St. George from 2-14-90 till 2-14-91 it was weird......exactly one year??? Then moved to Norcal to finish H.S., and then the rest I will share with you at another time (I don't feel like it is relavent).
When you go to one of WWASPS facilities, it is one of the most traumatic times of your life. You don't forget the dates, the times, what you were wearing when entering, etc.
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I'm 28 and know my exact dates, especially years because when you're a teen and missing out on life, you're very aware. I had a checklist of days like a prisoner. Nobody who has lived in a program doesn't know the exact date they lost their freedom, the way the weather was, the details of how they were deceived or kidnapped during transport to the program, how you might've escaped if only you understood what was to come, whether you would've taken extreme (even suicidal) measures to avoid the program at all costs if you could turn back time, who greeted you at the program and the lies they first told you, which fellow prisoner clued you in to the ways of this strange prison culture, the body search and degrading way your belongings were searched and ridiculed. There's no way you can't come up with the year you were in a program. We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee. Freakin' trolls.
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On 2006-01-23 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm 28 and know my exact dates, especially years because when you're a teen and missing out on life, you're very aware. I had a checklist of days like a prisoner. Nobody who has lived in a program doesn't know the exact date they lost their freedom, the way the weather was, the details of how they were deceived or kidnapped during transport to the program, how you might've escaped if only you understood what was to come, whether you would've taken extreme (even suicidal) measures to avoid the program at all costs if you could turn back time, who greeted you at the program and the lies they first told you, which fellow prisoner clued you in to the ways of this strange prison culture, the body search and degrading way your belongings were searched and ridiculed. There's no way you can't come up with the year you were in a program. We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee. Freakin' trolls."
See now, I believe this person actually was in a program! Anyway, read up on the protest! Take good care!!!
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By the way........I'm not hating on the mormon religon! Not yet................
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On 2006-01-27 18:57:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
"By the way........I'm not hating on the mormon religon! Not yet................"
Not everyone who's Mormon is Pro WWASP...I'm LDS and after working for a WWASP program and doing some research on here I'm very happy to say that I'm very much Anti-WWASP. Don't hold this against the religion. I remember getting upset about something someone at church had done and I said to my Dad "I can't believe the church would go along with that" and he reminded me that the people that go to church are just that...people. It had nothing to do with what religion they were, but the kind of people they were.
I'm proud to be Mormon and proud to be Anti-WWASP!! :grin:
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I'm proud to be Mormon and proud to be Anti-WWASP!!
Awesome! :smile: :smile:
On a sidenote... anyone else notice proudgroud dissapeared after CCM confronted him with some real questions. Interesting... makes ya wonder who all the anon program grads really are.
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Yeah, they sure did disappear! POOF!!!! Thank god, they were on my nerves!!!!!!!
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On 2006-01-23 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
" We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee. Freakin' trolls."
If this person is trolling for dollars (referral fees) where is this persons name and contact info. They don't get a cent for posting on boards, right? If they do, they would need to prove they were the posters, right? So, if I were a parent looking for a reason to NOT enroll my child, I would believe what is posted here and not get help. If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them - but how would the parent on this board that convinced me get the 1000? Please enlighten me.
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Please enlighten me.
Ok.
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On 2006-02-01 11:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
" We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee. Freakin' trolls."
If this person is trolling for dollars (referral fees) where is this persons name and contact info. They don't get a cent for posting on boards, right? If they do, they would need to prove they were the posters, right? So, if I were a parent looking for a reason to NOT enroll my child, I would believe what is posted here and not get help. If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them - but how would the parent on this board that convinced me get the 1000? Please enlighten me. "
I am so sorry about that disgusting post, it's getting a little immature here!
Anyway, as far as your questions go........it's not that hard once a parent sets up a user name/identity for a individual from WWASPS/ or other similar programs to contact them privately through private messaging. If they have their child enrolled in a WWASP program, and get other parents to enroll you receive money off your childs monthly tuition.
Hey, if you have more time then dimes, you'll do it. Not only that, but they make you feel like you are saving the whole world, and making it a better place! It's pretty sick, if you ask me.
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I were a parent looking for a reason to NOT enroll my child, I would believe what is posted here and not get help.
Then that would make you one stupid, ignorant lame ass parent. It's up to each individual to believe what they want to believe. Some times in our lives, we are given ample warning of dangers ahead. Some choose to heed the advice and change course, while others such as yourself steam full ahead, even while knowing the risks. You are not hurting anyone here by making poor decisions, only yourself, your kid and the rest of your family.
If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them - but how would the parent on this board that convinced me get the 1000? Please enlighten me.
That's some backwards logic if I've ever seen it. You can't help but slide an ad-hominem into your post can you? I suppose it's part of yoru nature, and all program freaks, so don't think your special or anything -- just conditioned like a good WWASPIE. It's not up to anyone to convince you. If you believe that, you are a fool - and your family will suffer the consequences.
It's not up to anyone here to enlighten you. You are the laziest parent I've seen post here. You expect evertying to be done for you. You think you can continue to manipulate kids who were abused, but guess what -- it won't work. You aren't putting anyone on the defensive as you so desperately seek.
WWASP pays parents and anyone else interested thousands of dollars in cash or free months to recruit for them -- and nothing you say will change that fact. Spin the facts and your own logic all you want -- it changes nothing.
You seem to think you are hurting people here by your actions, but you are not. It's quite sickening and disturbing to see someone such as yourself post here -- especially when one reads between the lines of your posts. You are a sick individual.
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If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them
:???: WTF?