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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Scarred on December 28, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
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Yeah, Miller did that to most of us I think. He told me he knew, just from looking at my eyes, that I had done cocaine. Obviously total bullshit.
As to whether or not we ever really escape it, that's an excellent question. I haven't yet and I've been out almost as long as you. Connecting the dots regarding exactly what was done to me and how has helped. I knew it fucked me up but just didn't understand the mechanics of it. This helped..... http://www.ex-cult.org/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/). Look under General Information. It helped explain a lot of things to me. Reading through other posts here helped too. It's kind of a double edged sword though, I also found out that so many of these places still exist and that was incredibly difficult to realize. The fact that Miller calls himself a priest now really pissed me off too but thanks to the efforts of a few brave souls Miller and Mel appear to be getting a small dose of what they deserve, nowhere near enough but its a start.
Check these out too.... http://www.ficausa.com/ (http://www.ficausa.com/)
http://thestraights.com/index.htm (http://thestraights.com/index.htm)
Welcome, hope you find some peace with this. :smile:
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On 2005-12-28 14:56:00, dragonfly wrote:
"That's just power trippy scare tactics, don't believe it.
One of the hallmarks of a cult. Some sort of doomsday if you leave or escape.
Oh yeah, forgot about that part. That's the standard deadinsaneorinjail crap. Our parents were all told that if we left we'd either die, go nuts or end up in jail. Lovely. :roll:
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On 2005-12-28 16:41:00, Scarred in St Pete wrote:
Do you know the address of St Pete Straight Inc? I've had my husband drive me all over St Pete trying to jar my memory. I've ofter thought that if I could just freely look at the bldg & walk around it, I could heal myself. US19? goes on 4ever! Is the building still there?
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The Gandy bldg. is at 3001 Gandy Blvd. (or it may have been changed to Frontage Rd), I'm not sure which one you were in. I took a little tour of Gandy a few years back. Spooky, but it did seem to help. The flood of memories was a bit intense, but after that it actually DID help to be able to walk through there on my own.
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On 2005-12-28 14:48:00, Scarred in St Pete wrote:
Do people who have endured such a nightmare ever fully get over it? They told my parents I would never be normal unless a completed the program...I escaped after 8 months and do not feel normal. Does anyone know what they meant by not being normal unless the program was completed?
Well, yes and no. I think my dad's childhood and life was a good deal tougher than mine in many ways. It made him the angry, raging, hard nosed sob that he was. But it didn't stop him, entirely, from explaining to us what he was so pissed about. And it was valid. Even when our parents contradict themselves, it's still our lot to sort the worthwhile from the trash.
I think the Straight term 'normal' was code for 'a perfectly compliant, clean cut, drug free, opinionless perpetual child who you shall always control with just a look'.
Don't worry, graduates came out even more tweaked, if anything. Staffers, often even moreso.
He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.
James Burgh 1774
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On 2005-12-28 16:41:00, Scarred in St Pete wrote:
"What is going on with miller & the wealthy people that started Straight Inc? ((never mind, i just read to entire artical)). however, i doubt anything will come of it.
Do you know the address of St Pete Straight Inc? I've had my husband drive me all over St Pete trying to jar my memory. I've ofter thought that if I could just freely look at the bldg & walk around it, I could heal myself. US19? goes on 4ever! Is the building still there?
Considering we weren't allowed to read steet signs or any other kind of signs, it's no wonder I can't remember where it is.
How ridiculous that people (other straightlings) would actually put their hands over my eyes to disallow me to see where in the world I was![ This Message was edited by: Scarred in St Pete on 2005-12-28 16:55 ]"
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If you were in 25 years ago, you might have been in the Yacht building off Park St and about 40 something avenue north in St Pete, it set back off the road a bit, the original building was a ragged looking place on 40th St and about 8th Ave south in St Pete, it sat right next the railroad tracks which is now the Pinellas Trail, but they moved out to Park St in 78. I heard some time later they moved out to Gandy but I was never inside that building. I haven?t been to that part of St Pete for many years, for reasons of demographics I try to minimize my trips to that city altogether, but the last I was by Park St it was still standing.
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Gandy bldg. Its now a Knology dispatch center. 3001 Gandy Blvd.
http://losangeles.citysearch.com/map?co ... 43&level=9 (http://losangeles.citysearch.com/map?context=directory&mode=geo&id=41482974&map_lat=278476&map_lon=-826743&level=9)¢erlat=278476¢erlon=-826743&id=41482974&zoom=1&click.x=218&click.y=162
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You are a survivor of trauma, neglect, isolation, denial of basic human rights and abuse. The key to healing is understanding and dealing with what happened to you and then leaving it in the past. Know that you are not alone, and that there are resources out there for emotional support.
Welcome to the board. Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact... These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff.
Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse
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EST (Landmark/Lifespring) '83
Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88
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Thanks to all who have replied to me. This site & you people are a connection that makes me feel a sense of security with this history we all share.
We've obviously had some very "deep" things occur in our lives. We could all write a book and I'd read every one of them even between the lines.
I found another website Straight, Inc also...I haven't been able to get into it yet...it has a symbol like a spaid? do any of yall visit that site?
I should have been in a psychs office a long time ago. But, today (after being on this site a couple of days), I think I felt more "normal". I just tried to be myself in front of others...no over expressive facial movements (annimation)to make the other person think I was more interested
or exhausting myself trying to live up to what this/that person would think. I almost even felt a since of pride or reclaiming...there's a lot of you that are just like me...right at my finger tips. Amazing Grace!
I would love to read about how ALL of you ended up in Straight & how all of you got out & all the very details of it all up to now. Seriously!
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On 2005-12-29 18:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
I would love to read about how ALL of you ended up in Straight & how all of you got out & all the very details of it all up to now. Seriously!
Oh, you mean talkin' out in group? All that normal, spontanious converstation and body language they bound us away from back then? Yeah, me too! I do get something very valuable from that. But it's not just Program ppl it's also around in the wild if you look for it and accept the gifts when you stumble accross them.
Artist: Three Days Grace Lyrics
Song: Just Like You Lyrics
I could be mean
I could be angry
You know I could be just like you
I could be fake
I could be stupid
You know I could be just like you
You thought you were standing beside me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
You thought you were there to guide me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
You thought you were there to guide me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
I could be cold
I could be ruthless
You know I could be just like you
I could be weak
I could be senseless
You know I could be just like you
You thought you were standing beside me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
You thought you were there to guide me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
You thought you were there to guide me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
On my own, cause I can?t take liven with you
I?m alone, so I won?t turn out like you
Want me to
You thought you were standing beside me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
You thought you were there to guide me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
You thought you were there to guide me
You were only in my way
You?re wrong if you think that I?ll be just like you
I could be mean
I could be angry
You know I could be just like you
"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."--
Thomas Jefferson, 1787
Rampant talking out in group!I don't believe in Jesus.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"
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Oh, I forgot to add. Just look around here. There are a LOT of such stories scattered around. Also, if you're so inclined, look at some of the other forums about other programs. You'll find a lot of similarities and maybe not feel so alone.
You can lead a camel to water but you can't make it stink (any more than it already does)
-- Job
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3001 Gandy is correct. I went to the Straight Inc Alumni website via Yahoo (after several attempts to get registered).
Their website has a photo gallery section. There is a picture of a guy urinating on that bldg. I must have been way off about it being an aluminum bldg...the picture reveals the bldg with stucco siding. There's another picture of the same guy in front of the bldg giving it a beautiful middle finger bird salute!
I remember now 1st driving up to that bldg w/my parents...supposingly to inquire about an old VW 4sale...I heard loud singing coming from inside and asked what was going on...the day of my intake! Great trick mom&dad :evil: [ This Message was edited by: Scarred in St Pete on 2005-12-30 11:41 ]
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On 2005-12-29 07:54:00, Scarred in St Pete wrote:
My memory is distorted. I was put in on my birthday 12/80 and out 8/81
Definitely Gandy Blvd. Bldg. I went in in Oct of `80. I know that because when I split in the springtime, I landed up at the Jesus `81 festival in Orlando. It was Gandy, for sure. For myself, I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist
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you said you cut your hand while you were there....was it around april of 81? i ask this because i did the same thing on my 3rd day there...in the guys bathroom!....when they confronted me after "open meeting" in the "open meeting review" rap,they stood me out in front of the group.to my surprise there was a girl standing next to me that did the SAME thing to herself!i have always wondered what happened to her.....is it you? you have me wondering.please write me at [email protected]....ok?.....matt
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you know the craziest thing? miller and sembler were both brainwashed parents too!the real asshole has yet to be defined....art barker?>the seed man.maybe.....but he had to have help a lot greater than the politicals....politicals can get you money...but in straights case,they wanted to avoid the government as much as poss.!because they didn't want a gov. laws telling them what they can and can't do!thats why it was a PRIVATE program.....!by getting money privatly,they were able to avoid the law!thats how they got away with so much illegal shit!political and gov. money,by the way is how and why the seed was closed....if it had been privatly subsidised like straight,the gov. wouldn't have had a "leg" to stand on legally.....hippie564
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I remember you too![ This Message was edited by: Scarred on 2006-01-29 18:29 ]
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wow.......{rubbing my forehead....}i can't believe it's you....i have always wondered what happened to you.you know,....we,you and i,are "joined at the hip"!we share a single incident that changed us forever....!i mean that!
how i did mine and why i did "it",are for the first time "up" for conversation....as i stated earlier....i did "it" 3 days after being there...i had been confronted harshly 2 times in the 2nd day there!which was of course,my 1st real day.....that night,i was thinking of "how" i could quickly "change" my parents mind about keeping me in that place! i knew they were still in the area because i hadn't even done one "introduction".....! then it hit me! my old comer,who didn't even look at my belongings,+ didn't lock my drawer,didn't know i had my shaving razors in there....when i put them in there,I didn't even think anything about them...I had never been to that "platue" in life before...but after i got hammered real bad...i knew i didn't want to be there and it looked like the only sure way to get my parents attention and have me sent to a mental ward...or whatever!i didn't really want to die,if i did,i wouldn't have done "it" in group;i wouldve done "it" in my "foster home" when everyone was asleep!i got up quietly and opened the drawer,broke the razor open and put them in my pants pocket!the next day came and went,it just wasn't the right time,or i couldn't muster the courage or i thought maybe my parents would come to thier senses>not! no,in truth,i was smart enough to know that if i did this,it would have to be a much larger scale thing!so, i waited till Monday at noon,went into the bathroom and cut my hand vein wide open....it took three guys to get me out of there...i was laughing insanly and spitting the blood i sucked out of my hand,all over the place.....there was a huge trail of blood dripping from my hand onto the floor,from the bathroom!the kids who saw this,probably a lot of them,were in awe of what i did!i don't think that had ever been done at str8 before,not in group. staff grabed me and quietly took me out of group.into a car with 2 oldcomers and then took me to a "dingy" blding....there,in a room,was a man i had never seen....then my parents came in...as he was stitching me up,i looked at my parents and said,this isn't a good place! this isn't a good place!looking for somthing in thier eyes that showed me they were thinking about what they were seeing.the oldcomers were clasping thier hands over mine and telling me to shut up and to my parents they said it was a game to get out of the program,not to listen to me....after a while i could see that they were listening to them....it blew my mind.it was then that i realised i was going to be there for a long long time....on my way back to str8,i knew that the only way i would ever get out was to really die....my parents really failed me there.....to me i didn't think they loved me anymore....when open meeting review came they tore into me like a group of sharks...no one asked why or how i did "it"! you know what the crazy part was? i STILL had the razors on me! i COULDV"E done "it" again!i had them on me for many days after that...i had no way to get rid of them without getting caught with them!...so much for "therapy"!something else thats worse,is that i never showed signs of that kind of behavior BEFORE i went in there!i thought my parents,seeing what happened,would be smart enough to think of this and say to themselves....where/what have we done or whats happening in there that he would go to such an extreme...to me, it seemed like the only route out of there..... as you know,it didn't work.i had to stay in hell for a long long time!....i'm glad i finally found you!i hpoe we can talk on the phone someday......or see each other etc etc...god bless....hippie564
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i thought it was dogtown and z-boys? that is a rad film, if you have not seen it, and you were a kid in the seventies who ever liked getting on a skateboard, you will like that movie. it's got clips of a young tony hawk. they caught the scene, those kids who were doing tricks in drained swimming pools, they were defining the sport. it's all old clips from back then because incredibly enough someone was catching it on film as it was happening!
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On 2006-01-01 02:02:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"wow.......{rubbing my forehead....}i can't believe it's you....i have always wondered what happened to you.you know,....we,you and i,are "joined at the hip"!we share a single incident that changed us forever....!i mean that!
how i did mine and why i did "it",are for the first time "up" for conversation....as i stated earlier....i did "it" 3 days after being there...i had been confronted harshly 2 times in the 2nd day there!which was of course,my 1st real day.....that night,i was thinking of "how" i could quickly "change" my parents mind about keeping me in that place! i knew they were still in the area because i hadn't even done one "introduction".....! then it hit me! my old comer,who didn't even look at my belongings,+ didn't lock my drawer,didn't know i had my shaving razors in there....when i put them in there,I didn't even think anything about them...I had never been to that "platue" in life before...but after i got hammered real bad...i knew i didn't want to be there and it looked like the only sure way to get my parents attention and have me sent to a mental ward...or whatever!i didn't really want to die,if i did,i wouldn't have done "it" in group;i wouldve done "it" in my "foster home" when everyone was asleep!i got up quietly and opened the drawer,broke the razor open and put them in my pants pocket!the next day came and went,it just wasn't the right time,or i couldn't muster the courage or i thought maybe my parents would come to thier senses>not! no,in truth,i was smart enough to know that if i did this,it would have to be a much larger scale thing!so, i waited till Monday at noon,went into the bathroom and cut my hand vein wide open....it took three guys to get me out of there...i was laughing insanly and spitting the blood i sucked out of my hand,all over the place.....there was a huge trail of blood dripping from my hand onto the floor,from the bathroom!the kids who saw this,probably a lot of them,were in awe of what i did!i don't think that had ever been done at str8 before,not in group. staff grabed me and quietly took me out of group.into a car with 2 oldcomers and then took me to a "dingy" blding....there,in a room,was a man i had never seen....then my parents came in...as he was stitching me up,i looked at my parents and said,this isn't a good place! this isn't a good place!looking for somthing in thier eyes that showed me they were thinking about what they were seeing.the oldcomers were clasping thier hands over mine and telling me to shut up and to my parents they said it was a game to get out of the program,not to listen to me....after a while i could see that they were listening to them....it blew my mind.it was then that i realised i was going to be there for a long long time....on my way back to str8,i knew that the only way i would ever get out was to really die....my parents really failed me there.....to me i didn't think they loved me anymore....when open meeting review came they tore into me like a group of sharks...no one asked why or how i did "it"! you know what the crazy part was? i STILL had the razors on me! i COULDV"E done "it" again!i had them on me for many days after that...i had no way to get rid of them without getting caught with them!...so much for "therapy"!something else thats worse,is that i never showed signs of that kind of behavior BEFORE i went in there!i thought my parents,seeing what happened,would be smart enough to think of this and say to themselves....where/what have we done or whats happening in there that he would go to such an extreme...to me, it seemed like the only route out of there..... as you know,it didn't work.i had to stay in hell for a long long time!....i'm glad i finally found you!i hpoe we can talk on the phone someday......or see each other etc etc...god bless....hippie564"