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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Ed Davis on December 06, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
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My name is Ed Davis and I graduated from Hyde in 1990. The character development program at Hyde helped me to discover COURAGE! The courage to stand behind what I say and believe. Obviously, all of you anonymous posters could use a little character development especially in the COURAGE department. Therefore, I challenge all of you to dig deep inside and reveal yourself! Say what you believe, it's a free country, but have some pride and stop being a bunch of cowards. So be heard or go away and stop breathing up all the good air!
Ed Davis Scuba_adventures@hotmail.com
By the way, Hyde did not pay me to write this I just felt like somebody should tell you fleas to put up or shut up!
Have a nice day! :smile:
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:27 ][ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:28 ]
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On 2005-12-06 14:18:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"My name is Ed Davis and I graduated from Hyde in 1990. The character development program at Hyde helped me to discover COURAGE! The courage to stand behind what I say and believe. Obviously, all of you anonymous posters could use a little character development especially in the COURAGE department. Therefore, I challenge all of you to dig deep inside and reveal yourself! Say what you believe, it's a free country, but have some pride and stop being a bunch of cowards. So be heard or go away and stop breathing up all the good air!
Ed Davis Scuba_adventures@hotmail.com
By the way, Hyde did not pay me to write this I just felt like somebody should tell you fleas to put up or shut up!
Have a nice day! :smile:
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:27 ][ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:28 ]"
Okay -- you first, name, address, phone number and Social security number. Thanks Ed Davis
My name is Albert Nelson Of Newhope, you can call me ANON[ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-01-26 16:59 ]
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As I expected, these anonymous posts are written by current Hyde students, trying to convince their parents that Hyde is a bad place and that they should be at home. Only a child would write such garbage. Get a life! Punk! You should probably go back to study hall and finish your homework! You still unregistered anonymous user. By the way my contact information is in the alumni directory.
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 15:36 ]
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On 2005-12-06 15:16:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"As I expected, these anonymous posts are written by current Hyde students, trying to convince their parents that Hyde is a bad place and that they should be at home. Only a child would write such garbage. Get a life! Punk! You should probably go back to study hall and finish your homework! You still unregistered anonymous user. By the way my contact information is in the alumni directory.
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 15:36 ]"
Ed,
I graduated with you in 1990. I have the right to tell people what an abusive, demeaning & harmful place Hyde is. You need to understand that it wasn't a good experience for many like myself. I discoved what true character is AFTER I got out of that hellhole. I have no idea what you mean by "put up or shut up." You should read this board a little more carefully before making the kind of assumptions you are.
By the way, I hope all is going well with you.
Your classmate,
Larry Kress '90
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On 2005-12-06 15:16:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"As I expected, these anonymous posts are written by current Hyde students, trying to convince their parents that Hyde is a bad place and that they should be at home. Only a child would write such garbage. Get a life! Punk! You should probably go back to study hall and finish your homework! You still unregistered anonymous user. By the way my contact information is in the alumni directory.
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 15:36 ]"
Yea you are right,Ed, I'm sorry, I am going to go back on self study and write about what made me say those things and do some self reflecting. I will then look you up in the directory and try to imagine myself turning out as well as you have. I just hope I can harden to the point where I can say "Get a life !! Punk!! just like Clint Eastwood. Only I think I will follow it up with "Do you feel lucky" (to have graduated from Hyde), "Well do you punk!!!" Wow I do feel good, and I feel superior to everyone else who has logged on, I will not only post my name, but also a picture of my whole family, that will show everyone that I am more open then they are.
Thanks Ed
ANON
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On 2005-12-06 14:18:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"My name is Ed Davis and I graduated from Hyde in 1990. The character development program at Hyde helped me to discover COURAGE! The courage to stand behind what I say and believe. Obviously, all of you anonymous posters could use a little character development especially in the COURAGE department. Therefore, I challenge all of you to dig deep inside and reveal yourself! Say what you believe, it's a free country, but have some pride and stop being a bunch of cowards. So be heard or go away and stop breathing up all the good air!
Ed Davis Scuba_adventures@hotmail.com
By the way, Hyde did not pay me to write this I just felt like somebody should tell you fleas to put up or shut up!
Have a nice day! :smile:
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:27 ][ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:28 ]"
To parents considering Hyde: This message from Ed Davis is remarkably typical of what you can expect if you enroll at Hyde. Notice the intensely judgmental language, the crude accusations, and the "in your face" approach to dealing with other people. In my experience, there's a steady diet of that sort of behavior among many people at Hyde (although not all people at Hyde).
Mr. Davis: I can assure you I'm not a Hyde student. I'm a parent. I have chosen to remain anonymous because I've witnessed too many instances where parents who have spoken openly and critically about Hyde were verbally abused and, in turn, their kids were harrassed. Unfortunately, being open at Hyde sometimes is too risky. That's not a lack of courage; rather, it's good reality testing.
I'm glad to know that you had a good experience at Hyde. However, if you read the postings on this website you will discover that there are many people, including former Hyde students and parents, who believe Hyde was a horribly destructive environment.
It seems to me that if you had truly matured at Hyde you would not use the kind of abusive language and tone that fill your posting. Ironically, you have just reinforced what many people on this website have been saying about how damaging the Hyde environment can be. The irony is terribly poignant.
I accept that you are likely to disagree with me. I would prefer that you do so respectfully.
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Hey Larry! As I said, it's a free country say what you believe, just have the courage to say who you are! Get it off your chest! Hyde values honesty! Good luck to you as well!
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If you truly believe what you say, why do you remain at Hyde? What do you have to lose by standing up for who you are and what you believe?
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On 2005-12-06 17:45:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"If you truly believe what you say, why do you remain at Hyde? What do you have to lose by standing up for who you are and what you believe?"
I think he said he was a parent, not a Hyde student.
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On 2005-12-06 17:45:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"If you truly believe what you say, why do you remain at Hyde? What do you have to lose by standing up for who you are and what you believe?"
We decided to leave Hyde. We know of other families who publicized their plans to leave Hyde and experienced genuine harrassment, as did their kids. We've heard about, and directly witnessed, several high-pressure tactics.
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On 2005-12-06 14:18:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"My name is Ed Davis and I graduated from Hyde in 1990. The character development program at Hyde helped me to discover COURAGE! The courage to stand behind what I say and believe. Obviously, all of you anonymous posters could use a little character development especially in the COURAGE department. Therefore, I challenge all of you to dig deep inside and reveal yourself! Say what you believe, it's a free country, but have some pride and stop being a bunch of cowards. So be heard or go away and stop breathing up all the good air!
Ed Davis Scuba_adventures@hotmail.com
By the way, Hyde did not pay me to write this I just felt like somebody should tell you fleas to put up or shut up!
Have a nice day! :smile:
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:27 ][ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:28 ]"
Okay lets see, you graduated from Hyde and are doing well. You probably are not succeeding as a motivational speaker, anger management counselor nor any vocation involving managing people. My guess "Military career" or "Department of Motor Vehicles" (you filled out the wrong form , Punk!!, go back and redo it!!)
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I am truly sorry if I hurt your feelings. However, hiding behind anonymity leaves you with no credibility. Where's your courage! My post was intentionally inflammatory just to get a response. If the shoe fits! Again, have a nice day!
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On 2005-12-06 18:21:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I am truly sorry if I hurt your feelings. However, hiding behind anonymity leaves you with no credibility. Where's your courage! My post was intentionally inflammatory just to get a response. If the shoe fits! Again, have a nice day!"
Why are you trying to provoke people? You're asking people to take a stand. I'd ask you to read through some of the topics on this board very carefully before you try to bait people. Like I told another pro-Hyde poster, if it worked for you great, but for many of us it was truly a miserable experience. The truth will set you free? No, for me, getting out of there and going to college set me free. Just read everything through carefully and you may see what's really going on here.
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On 2005-12-06 18:21:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I am truly sorry if I hurt your feelings. However, hiding behind anonymity leaves you with no credibility. Where's your courage! My post was intentionally inflammatory just to get a response. If the shoe fits! Again, have a nice day!"
I dont think you hurt LARS feelings, he has been called worse. I think it is okay to state your name or not state your name "Its a free country". The important thing is to make a difference and you dont seem to be contributing anything. Try to get past the fact that people post as Anon for several reasons, non of which have to do with courage. I have been here a long time and have seen people who give their names who have no credibility and anons who are very credible.
Ed, try to calm down a little, read some of the previous posts as someone else has suggested and contribute some of your experiences, it will help yourself and others who are at Hyde and those considering sending their kids there.
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I dont think you hurt LARS feelings, he has been called worse. [/quote]
Someone called me worse here? :razz:
You agree, though, this board should be kept civil, right? Seriously, Ed's not a bad guy. I just want him to understand what folks are talking about here, that's it's not an insult-fest.
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On 2005-12-06 18:45:00, Lars wrote:
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I dont think you hurt LARS feelings, he has been called worse.
Someone called me worse here? :razz:
You agree, though, this board should be kept civil, right? Seriously, Ed's not a bad guy. I just want him to understand what folks are talking about here, that's it's not an insult-fest."
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Thanks for owning up to who you are Larry! I can respect you and what you have to say. For the anonymous posters though, I don't have any respect for them. Larry I do see what's going on. Here is a group of people with a chip on their shoulder and nothing better to do with their time!
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He probably isnt a bad guy and it is always good to have input from both sides (kind of adds credability to the discussions). But I suspect if he cant provoke someone or control the situation he will move on.
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On 2005-12-06 18:50:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"Thanks for owning up to who you are Larry! I can respect you and what you have to say. For the anonymous posters though, I don't have any respect for them. Larry I do see what's going on. Here is a group of people with a chip on their shoulder and nothing better to do with their time!"
Ed, most of the people (anons or not) are not here to get respect and even if they were here for that reason not getting it from you or another person isnt going to make that big of a difference. Your right, time management isnt a big deal, either, for most of us. Why does that bother you so much? You are here. If you really had courage you would defend your position on Hyde and join the discussion in spite of your fear of Anons. What do you have to lose? You may help some wayward teen in the process or enlighten a parent or two. Give it a try,Ed, contribute, dont sit on the sidelines throwing stones.
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I've apparently provoked a few people and I'm not here to control anything or anyone. It seems to me that YOU are trying to control people's views of Hyde School, because of your own experiences. You are right about me moving on though. I will not sit around and waste my time replying to anonymous posts. I have a life! C ya!
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On 2005-12-06 18:50:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"Thanks for owning up to who you are Larry! I can respect you and what you have to say. For the anonymous posters though, I don't have any respect for them. Larry I do see what's going on. Here is a group of people with a chip on their shoulder and nothing better to do with their time!"
No, Ed. I think it's more than a chip on the shoulder for a lot of people. It's genuine anger at the abusive, arrogant & manipulative way that Hyde treated us and our families. Many people here feel the same way. I understand that the folks at Hyde and some of the people who went there believe in their system. But you can't dismiss those who don't agree as simply having a chip on their shoulder. Also, you have to understand that the folks posting here really aren't concerned with whether you or any one at Hyde respects them. Like I said, have a look at my posts. If you think I'm off base, feel free to say why.
Peace.
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On 2005-12-06 19:10:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I've apparently provoked a few people and I'm not here to control anything or anyone. It seems to me that YOU are trying to control people's views of Hyde School, because of your own experiences. You are right about me moving on though. I will not sit around and waste my time replying to anonymous posts. I have a life! C ya!"
I have to say that of the hundreds of postings on this website, yours come across as just about the most petulant and least mature of all of them. I realize this may not concern you, but I think this reflects very poorly on Hyde. If your offensive language and tone are typical of Hyde graduates, that's a pretty sad commentary.
If my math is accurate (you graduated in 1990?), you are probably about 33 years old. It makes me sad that someone who is in his mid 30's and is a Hyde graduate would communicate the way that you do. Your communication style seems remarkably similar to what I've observed at Hyde many times, especially in some seminars. This, of course, provides even more damaging information for any parent who is considering enrolling their child at Hyde. Parents, is this the kind behavior you hope your child will engage in fifteen years after graduating from Hyde?
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On 2005-12-06 19:10:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I've apparently provoked a few people and I'm not here to control anything or anyone. It seems to me that YOU are trying to control people's views of Hyde School, because of your own experiences. You are right about me moving on though. I will not sit around and waste my time replying to anonymous posts. I have a life! C ya!"
Wow, I am amazed at this guy Ed, but not totally surprised given the type of people who defend Hyde. Yes, some people are anonymous, but maybe they have their reasons, none of which need to be explained. Hyde mimics the 12 step programs and meetings where no one divulges their full names! This is the same reason why some might not be divulging their names here. This is a safe place where people express their experiences both good and bad.
If you are an example of a Hyde graduate Ed, all that I have to say is that you are validating what is posted on this board about the school. No one here has hurled insults like you have. We have a mature, intelligent rap going and if you want to continue to act out, then you are the one sir who looks like the fool! If you disagree on what is said about Hyde, then say so, but do it respectfully like the rest of us.
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I thought he would run. My daughter had a friend who would adamantly defend a group of friends that were obviously bad news and would slam anyone who said anything bad about them. But if you asked her what traits or good things that she could say about her friends she would get angry and leave the room say something like "You guys are morons"
I saw some of that in Ed, he wanted to believe that Hyde was good because he vested so much time there and it was part of who he was and is. If he admits that Hyde wasnt that great it would reflect poorly on himself. If you held his feet to the fire and asked him to share his positive experiences he would come up empty, he knew that and that is why he ran. Similar to my daughters friend Sally.
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I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on.
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On 2005-12-07 05:06:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on. "
The Hyde principles you cite (courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern) are fine concepts indeed. I embrace them wholeheartedly. The basic problem that many of us have is with Hyde's implementation of these principles. You seem to have had a good experience. Many of us are not having a good experience; some of us are witnessing grossly negligent practices at Hyde and a great deal of hypocrisy. If you take the time to read this board's postings, you'll see lots of instances where Hyde staff violated every single one of these principles, and sometimes in ways that are cruel, unconscionable, and very damaging. Disagree if you like; many of us have documentation to prove that the incidents occurred.
Parents who are considering Hyde should know that Mr. Davis's reply is standard Hyde-speak. He is using language and terminology that is pervasive at Hyde. People either buy in or walk away (or suffer in silence until they're out of Hyde).
As an aside to Mr. Davis, I thought you said you were no longer going to visit this site and that you were moving on. Was that not the truth?
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On 2005-12-07 05:06:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on. "
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On 2005-12-06 22:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"On 2005-12-06 21:28:00, Lars wrote:
"Wow, the place really hasn't changed much since I went there. I won't tell you not to go if you really feel you need to support your family, but I can assure you it's not a getting to know each other thing with fun activities. I call Hyde the "no fun zone." Read the threads on this board very carefully. There was nothing I hated more than family weekends when I there.
Expect to get sucked into the drama. My advice (besides avoiding the place)? Stand your ground. Don't let any obnoxious, know it all jerks push you around."
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Saw this board for the first time. I would just like to echo Larry's, (Lars) sentiments. I was one of those parents who was sucked into the drama of the moment, which thankfully I transended as the months went by and realized the hypocrisy and dishonesty that permeated the entire hierarchy of Hyde School.
The Ed's of the world can B.S. all they want, but the truth is Hyde is nothing but a Cult and unfortunately a dumping ground for children whose parents are desperate to find an answer for their various problems.
And for Ed's reference or anyone else my name is Steve Feig.
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On 2005-12-07 05:06:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on. "
Thanks for not running and deciding to stay and contribute. Its good to have a balanced discussion. As for your adversity towards Anons, we understand, there are worse ways for you to let off steam and dump your anger.
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Ed, lets not be so defensive. ok?
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Ed, really, calm down ...You sound like you could use a xanax or three
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On 2005-12-07 07:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-06 22:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"On 2005-12-06 21:28:00, Lars wrote:
"Wow, the place really hasn't changed much since I went there. I won't tell you not to go if you really feel you need to support your family, but I can assure you it's not a getting to know each other thing with fun activities. I call Hyde the "no fun zone." Read the threads on this board very carefully. There was nothing I hated more than family weekends when I there.
Expect to get sucked into the drama. My advice (besides avoiding the place)? Stand your ground. Don't let any obnoxious, know it all jerks push you around."
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Saw this board for the first time. I would just like to echo Larry's, (Lars) sentiments. I was one of those parents who was sucked into the drama of the moment, which thankfully I transended as the months went by and realized the hypocrisy and dishonesty that permeated the entire hierarchy of Hyde School.
The Ed's of the world can B.S. all they want, but the truth is Hyde is nothing but a Cult and unfortunately a dumping ground for children whose parents are desperate to find an answer for their various problems.
And for Ed's reference or anyone else my name is Steve Feig.
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Thank you for having the courage to post your comment and name. I understand why it's important for people to identify themselves, and I also understand that a number of people on this board are not comfortable doing so because of their deep mistrust of Hyde. Parents whose kids are still at Hyde or who are contemplating or engaged in legal action against Hyde have very legitimate reasons for remaining anonymous here.
Like you, after a number of months we figured out how much hypocrisy and dishonesty permeate Hyde. We have encountered some caring and dedicated staff there, but, sadly, they are completely overshadowed by some frighteningly incompetent, harmful staff who seem to be meeting their own pathetic emotional needs by mistreating and judging other people. The more time I spend around Hyde staff the more convinced I am that the school attracts some staff who have led very rocky lives themselves and are "working out" some of their own issues in this protective bubble and end up taking on Joe Gauld's destructive ways because this gives meaning and structure to their own confused lives. As you suggest, the similarities between some classic cults and Hyde are powerful: the God-like leader, the arrogance, the push to control and judge others, the scripted language, the troubled pasts of many adherents who end up in positions of power, the cliches that provide quick responses to all dilemmas, etc. This package should scare off any parent who considers Hyde for their child.
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another coward
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On 2005-12-09 05:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"another coward"
Another faculty member.
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Larry, you're a farce...move on.
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On 2005-12-09 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Larry, you're a farce...move on."
You wish. :lol:
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Oh and Larry, I took the liberty of "googling" you and saw that most of the entries with your name were from the Hyde website. About your you talked about being a public defender, you hsared the birth of your new baby. I guess you haven't REALLY cut your ties. There's more about you in those publications than most alums...hmmm, did someone hurt your feelings recently to make you so mad at the school?
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On 2005-12-09 07:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh and Larry, I took the liberty of "googling" you and saw that most of the entries with your name were from the Hyde website. About your you talked about being a public defender, you hsared the birth of your new baby. I guess you haven't REALLY cut your ties. There's more about you in those publications than most alums...hmmm, did someone hurt your feelings recently to make you so mad at the school?"
Who said anything about cutting ties? Believe or not, there's people there that I have respect for, and I'd like some of my classmates to know what's going on with my life. Everything I've wriiten on this site comes from the heart and stems from the three miserable years I spent there. No one there hurt my feelings there recently. Is that so hard to figure out for you guys? And by the way, if you're going to call me by my real name, do me the courtesy of telling me who you are.
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On 2005-12-09 07:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh and Larry, I took the liberty of "googling" you "
I must have really touched some nerves up there.
As I told someone else there, you can contact me directly if you want. That's up to you, at this point in my life I have no desire to confront anyone there. Like I said, I saw this board one day, and I just let loose with some feelings that I'd had inside for long time. That's it.
Well, gotta make breakfast for the kids and head out for court. I'll check back at a later time. Just try to be civil, civility was lacking in a major way when I was at Hyde, and based on what I've seen here recently, I'm not conviced that has changed.
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I'm not up "there" I'm just an alum who's pretty proud of my high school...
And pretty pissed off that you got away with playing the"game"
And it's none of your business who I am.
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On 2005-12-09 07:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm not up "there" I'm just an alum who's pretty proud of my high school...
And pretty pissed off that you got away with playing the"game"
And it's none of your business who I am."
I got away with nothing. I EARNED my diploma, kiddo. True character has nothing to do with acting like most of the people up there did. That's a lesson you obviously haven't learned. Character is LIVING those principles on that shield - and I've done a pretty good job of it in my life. [ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-09 07:52 ]
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Just so the others on the site understand You "EARNED" your "high school" diploma...not your "HYDE" diploma. Whether you are living a life of character now has nothing to do with you pulling the wool over everyone's eyes while a student at Hyde and "playing the game"!!
Remember when you said this:
I did graduate with a "diploma" (only given to about 5 or 6 out of the 35 kids I graduated with, the rest got a "certificate" or a "document" - another screwed-up aspect of the program). But by the second half of my senior year, I knew how to play their game and did so while trying to be as humane as possible to the underclassmen
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On 2005-12-09 08:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just so the others on the site understand You "EARNED" your "high school" diploma...not your "HYDE" diploma. Whether you are living a life of character now has nothing to do with you pulling the wool over everyone's eyes while a student at Hyde and "playing the game"!!
Remember when you said this:
I did graduate with a "diploma" (only given to about 5 or 6 out of the 35 kids I graduated with, the rest got a "certificate" or a "document" - another screwed-up aspect of the program). But by the second half of my senior year, I knew how to play their game and did so while trying to be as humane as possible to the underclassmen
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Wrong again. What you've quoted, that IS character. Playing their game isn't the same as pulling the wool over someone's eyes. Again, you're confusing character with acting in a certain self-righteous confrontational way.
And by the way, I actually did give my all to just about everything they had us do. I just mentally rejected the techniques and philosophies that I found to be unhealthy. There's a difference. I know it's a subtle one, but I'm sure you have the ability to make that distinction.[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-09 08:13 ]
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You are wrong...
The way you could have displayed character, is by saying that you didn't agree with what was going on at Hyde and refused to play the game.
What you did instead was conform to what you were supposed to do and then you walked away with a piece of paper that said you were truly living your life (at that moment) with standards of excellence. Which you were not because you were not sharing how you really felt, and just took the paper and ran.
I would respect you a lot more if you had said "this place sucks, I don't want your stupid paper, just give me my transcripts...I'm outta here!" That would have been the character thing to do.
What you did was make the Hyde diploma mean less than is should. At least those in 1990.
Instead of pulling the lawyer thing and immediately rebutting, just sit back and try to hear what I'm saying.
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On 2005-12-09 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are wrong...
The way you could have displayed character, is by saying that you didn't agree with what was going on at Hyde and refused to play the game.
What you did instead was conform to what you were supposed to do and then you walked away with a piece of paper that said you were truly living your life (at that moment) with standards of excellence. Which you were not because you were not sharing how you really felt, and just took the paper and ran.
I would respect you a lot more if you had said "this place sucks, I don't want your stupid paper, just give me my transcripts...I'm outta here!" That would have been the character thing to do.
What you did was make the Hyde diploma mean less than is should. At least those in 1990.
Instead of pulling the lawyer thing and immediately rebutting, just sit back and try to hear what I'm saying."
No, you listen. Telling them to shove it would have meant living on the streets. My parents were under their control. It was make the best of it or hit the road. Not an option for someone like myself who actually wanted to achieve something in life. When I took that piece of paper I WAS living my lfe by standards of excellence. To say that I wasn't because I didn't share all of my feelings is just flat out wrong. I took the diploma because I was living the principles - what those principles meant to me.
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But what about honesty?
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Keeping one's feelings to themself is not lying. That may seem to be a "lawyerly" distinction, but it's an important one. Ever heard the expression, "discretion is often the greater part of valor?"
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But what about the sanctity of the senior eval process?
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On 2005-12-09 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"But what about the sanctity of the senior eval process?"
What about it? I was brutally honest with everyone there, just like they expected us to be, just like I always am.
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What's SOOOO bad about Hyde? You must be a weak guy :scared:
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Toughen up :eek:
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Love to continue to this conversation later, but I've got to get to work now. Everyone have a nice day! :wave:
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On 2005-12-09 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are wrong...
The way you could have displayed character, is by saying that you didn't agree with what was going on at Hyde and refused to play the game.
What you did instead was conform to what you were supposed to do and then you walked away with a piece of paper that said you were truly living your life (at that moment) with standards of excellence. Which you were not because you were not sharing how you really felt, and just took the paper and ran.
I would respect you a lot more if you had said "this place sucks, I don't want your stupid paper, just give me my transcripts...I'm outta here!" That would have been the character thing to do.
What you did was make the Hyde diploma mean less than is should. At least those in 1990.
Instead of pulling the lawyer thing and immediately rebutting, just sit back and try to hear what I'm saying."
I would like to insert a comment from an outsider. I've been reading this exchange as part of my effort to learn about Hyde and what it has to offer kids. I must say that if this way of communicating (not Lars, but you) is typical of what happens at Hyde, I would never consider sending my child there. You seem to be communicating in a very aggressive way and I don't want my child in an environment where that's what's typical. Healthy feedback is one thing; this kind of "in your face" communication belongs in prisons and the miliatary, if anywhere. Is this typical Hyde?
Now that I've read many of the postings on this website, it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that Hyde is probably a very unhealthy environment. You've actually helped inform me.
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I didn't write any of those little comments before your post...I don't think you can really understand the point I was making to Lars...because you don't understand what it means to receive a "Hyde" diploma. Also Lars can't understand that even though he was brutally honest with his classmates, he wasn't about himself.
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And...I don't see anywhere in my posts that I was condescending, rude or mean...I was just asking a question and replying to Larry's comments in a mature way.
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On 2005-12-09 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I didn't write any of those little comments before your post...I don't think you can really understand the point I was making to Lars...because you don't understand what it means to receive a "Hyde" diploma. Also Lars can't understand that even though he was brutally honest with his classmates, he wasn't about himself.
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See the condescending attitude here? If you don't preach the gospel, you're not being honest with yourself. Just sickening.
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hmm...that makes a lot of sense!
Makes me wonder why you'd be looking for a school for a trouble teen...
hmm....
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On 2005-12-06 15:16:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"As I expected, these anonymous posts are written by current Hyde students, trying to convince their parents that Hyde is a bad place and that they should be at home. Only a child would write such garbage. Get a life! Punk! You should probably go back to study hall and finish your homework! You still unregistered anonymous user. By the way my contact information is in the alumni directory.
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 15:36 ]"
Yea you are right,Ed, I'm sorry, I am going to go back on self study and write about what made me say those things and do some self reflecting. I will then look you up in the directory and try to imagine myself turning out as well as you have. I just hope I can harden to the point where I can say "Get a life !! Punk!! just like Clint Eastwood. Only I think I will follow it up with "Do you feel lucky" (to have graduated from Hyde), "Well do you punk!!!" Wow I do feel good, and I feel superior to everyone else who has logged on, I will not only post my name, but also a picture of my whole family, that will show everyone that I am more open then they are.
Thanks Ed
ANON
I'm confused. I thought Who was a program parents. Did he go to Hyde?
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Good question. He sent his daughter to ASR and staunchly defends that decision. As to his connection to Hyde, that is still a mystery.
TheWho originally posted that comment as a "Guest," hence the "ANON" signature within the text. At some point he was found to be borderline flooding the threads elsewhere on fornits and agreed to have previously anon posts linked to his IP address attributed to his username, hence the non-Anon attribution (i.e., TheWho identification) as to the poster of that little missive.