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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Kcmoney05 on November 10, 2005, 01:09:00 PM
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What a DICK
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yea, he is just so fake
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You guys are all wrapped up in the wrong stuff, here. You personally attack people that you don't like using primitive vocabulary. Maybe people would take you seriously if you presented your arguments intelligently.
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What did Kees do that makes your judgement of him so negitive? No, he was not my favorite person there, but there is no reason to attack him for no apparent reason... is this really the only thing you have to do with your time? He is not doing anything to make you attack him...
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I dont hate the guy but he did force religion on us.
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he didn't force his religion on anyone... it was an open forum... there were many religions incorperated into HLA
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Thats nice but youre wrong, every student was forced to attend the Indian rituals.
As well as if you think the whole elements thing doesnt have wiccan connotations youre dumber than I thought.
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The Indian thing was not focusing on religion, persay,it was focused on spirituality.
And no, the elements are not based on any type of Wiccan things. Its a way of representing different stages of growth...
Nice try though.
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Whats wrong with spirituality? or indian rituals? Sounds interesting actually.
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So go back to HLA, Mrs. Gray. You can't leave it in your mind, so why stay away physically? Enroll yourself you fucking weirdo.
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On 2005-11-13 11:26:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"The Indian thing was not focusing on religion, persay,it was focused on spirituality.
And no, the elements are not based on any type of Wiccan things. Its a way of representing different stages of growth...
Nice try though."
Ummm you are aware that spirtuality and religion often go hand in hand?
idiot.
Also why dont you check again and think back on some of your fond memories concerning those "stages of growth" its obvious you werent paying attention the first time around. Staff members at the time even acknowledged that the elemental system was based on a spirtual devolpement. What did you think it about?
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Spiritualiy and religion are not the same thing though. The elements are not religous barriers, they are ways of specifying emotional progress.
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both through a religous context that falls under Kees' perview, hence my statement that he forces religon onto us, namley through the pointless Indian religous ceremonies would be factual.
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Its a form of education; do you critisize your history teachers of forcing religion on you because they teach you of many religions? If so, then you have every reason to say religion was forced; but if you don't critisize your eduacators of forcing religion, then you've stepped out of line.
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On 2005-11-13 15:55:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"Its a form of education; do you critisize your history teachers of forcing religion on you because they teach you of many religions? If so, then you have every reason to say religion was forced; but if you don't critisize your eduacators of forcing religion, then you've stepped out of line."
Well theres a stupid argument. History and religion teachers inform you about other religions and cultures, not force you to partake in its rituals much as Kees did with the Indian ceremonies.
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he didnt force you to take any part in them, only to watch them; and there were other off campus religios activities at the same time.
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On 2005-11-13 20:39:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"he didnt force you to take any part in them, only to watch them; and there were other off campus religios activities at the same time. "
No not always, and again you assume you were there for every moment of every students time at HLA. We were forced to participate. However I would argue that even being forced to watch such an event is still a means of forcing a religion onto someone.
If youre forced to partake in someone elses religious belifes that you do not share is that okay?
Oh wait there are no negative experiences for you.
Not to sound morbid but I wonder what your take on being raped would be? Would you find it a positive experience?
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Can one of you describe the "Indian Ceremonies". Thanks
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Sure one them involved us all standing in a circle with a bonfire in the center, we were all given sticks to shake while some Indian danced around chanting something which we were told we had to repeat back to him.
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a real native, or imposter?
what tribe?
what was the purpose?
and what did he say that you were supposed to repeat back?
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On 2005-11-14 09:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
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a real native, or imposter?
what tribe?
what was the purpose?
and what did he say that you were supposed to repeat back?"
I assume a native but I didnt talk to him.
I dont know.
Who knows. I wasnt paying attention.
Some gibberish.
Why does it matter though? It was still a religious ceremony we were forced to participate in, even if your questions remain unanswered.
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i agree with you.
it absolutely seems pointless, particularly if it wasn't authentic and if you didn't even know what he was saying or the significance of it.
many programs rip off native spirituality. that's not cool.
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he was native... i don't recall what tribe he was from though. he shared many stories from his life with the students, with the hopes that they would learn from some of his mistakes in life...
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On 2005-11-14 09:45:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"he was native... i don't recall what tribe he was from though. he shared many stories from his life with the students, with the hopes that they would learn from some of his mistakes in life..."
My goodness your assumptions never end do they? Were you there standing with me the entire time?
No you were not thus how can you know if we are talking about the same experience?
You cant.
He gave no inspirational talk. He was there simply to preform some ceremony.
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Everytime I ever saw him, he did give inspirational talks... and most students looked forward to him coming. He was very enjoyed, by most of the population.
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On 2005-11-14 09:57:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"Everytime I ever saw him, he did give inspirational talks... and most students looked forward to him coming. He was very enjoyed, by most of the population."
Again this is better. You can only speak of what you experienced, not others.
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fair enough...
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Could this indian ceremonial person be Mark Warren perhaps? He teaches indian spiritual and indian living skills in the Dahlonega area. I am not sure whether or not he is actually native american or part native american but he has done this sort of thing for years.
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That actually sounds oddly familiar... it very well could have been. I believe it was...
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if he's the one, he doesn't claim to be native, or to have studied with a native. wonder who ordained him to conduct ceremonies?
just as people don't open a church and start preaching without some training and mentoring, respectful people don't conduct native rituals/ceremonies without training/ mentoring/ approval first.
he claims to be a wilderness survival trainer, naturalist, and author.
http://home.alltel.net/medbow/instructor.htm (http://home.alltel.net/medbow/instructor.htm)
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oh no no... that is not the indian guy... the name sounded familiar, but it was because that guy came to HLA and did anture walks and stuff with students, sometimes... sorry... i got names confused!
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Hey Robert, maybe there were other students standing next to you who don't quite remember it the same as you do....ever think about that?
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Why were you? Do you remember things differently?
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i know i was there while robert bruce was
and i remember things exactly the same.
thanks for the insight though anonymous doucherag.
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I was there too during that time and I dont remember it the way Robert did.
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mark warren was the nature guy and the indian was barry baily (i dont no if thats mispelled) they both gave insperationl and educational talks and never once while i attended hla was religion forced on me. it was open,and robert bruce u suck
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On 2005-11-14 18:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was there too during that time and I dont remember it the way Robert did. "
In order for that to be true youd have to know who I was.
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this is true
and i do
and i was
and i remember it exactly the same as robert bruce.
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Hi Dan from PG 26
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hows it goin?
sorry i didnt sign that post.
who are you?
and do you know me?