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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Withdraw on October 04, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:32 ]
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stand up in the group and yell out that we should all revolt agaisnt the staff. Why didn't I do that? Where was my courage then? Why didn't I jump up after the cinder block wall guy and nuture him there on the floor? Where was my strength to stand up for what was right then? Why couldn't I tell you all I cared about what was happening to us ALL.
Why couldn't I make a stand for us?
Because you know damned well it wouldn't have worked, that's why. It would have been in vain; just another trip to the floor...
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I agree we were all hurting in there. It's terrible the things you described happened to you as well. I witnessed some jerks in straight, but I can say not everyone there was like that.
I'm sick of some people that didn't complete the program acting as if they are somehow better for not doing so. I don't really see you doing this though. However, there are some around here that do. Even funnier are the one's that complied until they were pulled and now want to put down others for staying.
I'm happy for people that were freed before I was. But guess what my parents weren't going to take me home and I was not interested in sucking dick and selling ass at 15 years old which would have been the only alternative I knew back then to make it without family support.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:33 ]
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Because you knew better. Simple, end of story.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:33 ]
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Look WD they got inside all our brains. Even the people that refused to comply. You were a kid. Perhaps what you did at school was a direct result of the strength you had from being locked up and you may have never been able to accomplish that otherwise.
People can argue forever who was stronger. Meaning people who misbehaved or people that tried to hold on in the inside and led a double life by outwardly complying. It doesn't matter. What matters is straight was wrong.
My little brother is in prison for 25-50 years right now for attemptemed murder and kidnapping. I would never expect him to "misbehave" in prison so he can say he held onto his integrity and do his full sentence or have more charges against him. I want my brother to come home when he's still young and if that means playing the game well so be it. It doesn't make him a weaker person than the prisoners up in there assaulting guards and one another.
People's survival insticts kick in under traumatic situations and they are not always going to react in the PC way that some around here would have like(d) them to.
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Fact:
Just because someone was a 100% misbehaver and NEVER got off of first phase does not mean that the "doctrine" did not sink in to the brain.
Even misbehavers got brainwashed.
I find myself today 25 years later using the program jargin and reasoning in my day to day thoughts and conversation.
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Well you all get on here like you LOVED Straight! All the movies, the outings, the deep and loving friendships! "What was good about Straight?" "How did Straight make me feel better about myself?" "What did Straight do to teach us to be ascetic monks?" I just don't have the drugs to deal with this kind of annoying like flies and itchy wool sweaters are annoying kind of thing that I read here. So piss right the fuck off. And piss right the fuck off with "taking a look at yourself" and other such boring boring stupid not-going-to-make-you-any-friends kind of thing to say! It's been lovely telling you to fuck off, ladies. Clap clap. Shall we do this again sometime. I'm afraid I can't stay for the part where you analyze my motives and oh what's the other boring tactic.
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On 2005-10-04 22:04:00, webcrawler wrote:
"Look WD they got inside all our brains. Even the people that refused to comply. You were a kid. Perhaps what you did at school was a direct result of the strength you had from being locked up and you may have never been able to accomplish that otherwise.
People can argue forever who was stronger. Meaning people who misbehaved or people that tried to hold on in the inside and led a double life by outwardly complying. It doesn't matter. What matters is straight was wrong.
My little brother is in prison for 25-50 years right now for attemptemed murder and kidnapping. I would never expect him to "misbehave" in prison so he can say he held onto his integrity and do his full sentence or have more charges against him. I want my brother to come home when he's still young and if that means playing the game well so be it. It doesn't make him a weaker person than the prisoners up in there assaulting guards and one another.
People's survival insticts kick in under traumatic situations and they are not always going to react in the PC way that some around here would have like(d) them to."
Tougher are those who tread the knife's edge.
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On 2005-10-04 23:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well you all get on here like you LOVED Straight! All the movies, the outings, the deep and loving friendships! "What was good about Straight?" "How did Straight make me feel better about myself?" "What did Straight do to teach us to be ascetic monks?" I just don't have the drugs to deal with this kind of annoying like flies and itchy wool sweaters are annoying kind of thing that I read here. So piss right the fuck off. And piss right the fuck off with "taking a look at yourself" and other such boring boring stupid not-going-to-make-you-any-friends kind of thing to say! It's been lovely telling you to fuck off, ladies. Clap clap. Shall we do this again sometime. I'm afraid I can't stay for the part where you analyze my motives and oh what's the other boring tactic."
Take some meds bitch.
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I wanted to hold onto the person I was before Straight. This might have been somewhat easier for me because my friends were not "nice folk". Therefore, fighting was not such a big deal and I learned to adapt to and manipulate the MBer policy. I also sensed doubt in my parents' resolve (trusting the program) and figured that I could endure until they'd had it w/Straight.
7th steppers and staff may be one thing, but I'd seen MANY upper phasers get down with the MBer squad and inflict damage. So, I'd say that there were the "enlisted" MBers (who fought almost all the time) and the "officers" (when forced to engage the enemy, could often kick ass). I simply wasn't gonna be broken by a bunch of button up preppie Zombots. I didn't fear them. Jason
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I honestly can't let myself off that easily though. That doesn't seem like a just excuse. I was weak. yes I was 14yrs old.. but that still is no excuse for not taking a stand clearly and verbally everyday.
Talk about a guilt complex.....sheeesh.
Maybe Paula P. knew I had that in me also and why they eventually terminated me. Who knows.
Oh, I'm sure that was why....please..
Maybe your parents were becoming reluctant to shell out for more time for you under straight's "care." A much more likely explanation. Or you were just too much of a pain in the ass (like you are here) and they decided not to put up with you! :lol:
But if I can have 750 students walk out of class to protest Black mold growing in our school at 16. I certianly should have done something for us in Straight 2 years earlier.
Oh SURE you could have. Please....give it a rest.
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On 2005-10-05 05:14:00, webcrawler wrote:
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On 2005-10-04 23:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well you all get on here like you LOVED Straight! All the movies, the outings, the deep and loving friendships! "What was good about Straight?" "How did Straight make me feel better about myself?" "What did Straight do to teach us to be ascetic monks?" I just don't have the drugs to deal with this kind of annoying like flies and itchy wool sweaters are annoying kind of thing that I read here. So piss right the fuck off. And piss right the fuck off with "taking a look at yourself" and other such boring boring stupid not-going-to-make-you-any-friends kind of thing to say! It's been lovely telling you to fuck off, ladies. Clap clap. Shall we do this again sometime. I'm afraid I can't stay for the part where you analyze my motives and oh what's the other boring tactic."
Take some meds bitch."
Nice come back, I am entertained.
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On 2005-10-04 21:28:00, Withdraw wrote:
"Well then, if that is so, then I am the same as the rest of you. I'm glad we cleared that up.
I honestly can't let myself off that easily though. That doesn't seem like a just excuse. I was weak. yes I was 14yrs old.. but that still is no excuse for not taking a stand clearly and verbally everyday. Everyday I feel like I personally let each and every person there w/ me down. I abused you all everyday that I sat quietly, by not giving us a voice I knew I had ,even then.
Maybe Paula P. knew I had that in me also and why they eventually terminated me. Who knows.
But if I can have 750 students walk out of class to protest Black mold growing in our school at 16. I certianly should have done something for us in Straight 2 years earlier. But I didn't. I failed us all. And I am sorry everyday for it. More sorry than many of you will ever understand.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: "
I give you a hard time, but you are really as messed up as the rest of us. We were children who were severely terrified and terrorized, and that, and some other stuff, is how we got so manipulated.
Did you think the 750 other students could take your information about the mold and see your point, because they had the time to think about it for themselves, and they could read for themselves the scientific evidence. Did you think any of them would secretly report you and that report would generate physical, mental, emotional or spiritual battering, abuse, and torture tactics like the restraining? Restraining equals torture. They made it really hurt on purpose. Physical child abuse.
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Guilt comes from 2 worlds.
What is and What you want it to be.
i.e. comparing the real and the ideal.
accept what is. justice is in the present.
i know this is the medicine i need.
Be cool and you are cool. Peace.
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Guilt can come from not getting that you had no power in a situation to do what you think you should have done.
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Us believeing we had no power takes our power now. That was part of the brainwash. We had power, we just didn't believe it.
"Justice is in the present" A hard truth ,I must take in.
Perched on a limb,
Tattered from the Storm,
I wait.
The Sun drying my wings,
So I may fly once more.[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:34 ]
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Hon, give me a break. You are going to be neurotic for the rest of your life until you get that you were a CHILD in a ridiculously abusive situation. An extremely imaginitively abusive situation. Nevermind the switch and the paddle, let's mind fuck them! Hell, you are still mind-fucked, and you complied relatively a lot less than many of the other children.
They got in your mind and your body and implanted stuff. Get high, go for a nice long drive, take off the rosy glasses and throw them out the window.
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I think you didn't stand up againt the brainwashed, violent mob because you were not suicidal. To blame yourself for what the group did or for not having stopped it is like blaming 13yo black boys for allowing rampant police brutality. It just doesn't make sense.
Honestly, I was thinking along the lines that the misbehaver in question must be getting some kind of satisfaction out of it or they'd just play the role like I was doing. I didn't think they deserved it or that it was anything but entirely fucked up what they did to ppl. I just thought it was, like almost everything else that made up a day in the life of a compliant Straightling, none of my damned business. I was all about just dodging the worst of it till I could escape. It was all about saying "nice doggy, nice doggy!" till I could get some distance.
I did take a valuable lesson from it, though. I learned how fucking powerful and dangerous that brand of group-think can be. And I do my level best every day to subvert it wherever I find it.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle
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On 2005-10-05 10:40:00, Antigen wrote:
Honestly, I was thinking along the lines that the misbehaver in question must be getting some kind of satisfaction out of it or they'd just play the role like I was doing.
This is true to a point, it was fun to 'misbehave' (I always hated that term, I knew then and now that it was an attempt to belittle and infantilize my nonconformity to Straight's wishes....), especially when there were others doing it (if there were enough, say, 10 out of 100-120 people) you could shut down the group---they either had to spend all of their time 'dealing' with nonconformists, or they would have to remove us from group. Also, the comradery helped you endure the beatings, pokings, being sat on, etc. The moral support of other nonconformists cannot be ignored.
Through noncompliance, I was also able to more clearly expose Straight's lies, at least to myself. People who thought that my playing air guitar, singing "War Pigs", or telling the group that I wanted to smoke pot was somehow a 'threat to their recovery/sobriety/straightness/whatever' were not people to take seriously.
That being said, I chose to comply, and "con" my way to 2nd phase, where it was easier to leave, and I could have a few hours head start on any Straightlings that were after me. "Misbehaving" was cool, don't get me wrong, but it had nothing on LEAVING STRAIGHT. That was always my goal. I was a Drug War POW, and the duty off any POW is to ESCAPE. A friend once called me 'an enemy captain in the War on Drugs', it made me proud.
Looking back, I don't think I would have done things much differently, but that's me. I don't resent anyone for completing the program. I do resent some of the phasers that were assholes to me so they could score points with staff, asswipes like George Harvard, Richard Monterro, Oren Kicklighter, and other shits whose names I don't recall now. I resent the Staff, particularly the execs, even more, I hate them with a passion.
RTP2k3
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On 2005-10-05 11:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
" 'an enemy captain in the War on Drugs'
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Social revolutionary, Right On !!! :skull:
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On 2005-10-05 10:16:00, Withdraw wrote:
"Us believeing we had no power takes our power now. That was part of the brainwash. We had power, we just didn't believe it"
i agree, except i would say we just didn' know the limits of our power.
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On 2005-10-05 10:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hon, give me a break. You are going to be neurotic for the rest of your life until you get that you were a CHILD in a ridiculously abusive situation. An extremely imaginitively abusive situation. Nevermind the switch and the paddle, let's mind fuck them! Hell, you are still mind-fucked, and you complied relatively a lot less than many of the other children.
They got in your mind and your body and implanted stuff. Get high, go for a nice long drive, take off the rosy glasses and throw them out the window."
This is right on too.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:34 ]
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I have always said that if it were possible to have known then what I do now, or at the very least have had some life experience at all.....I would have misbehaved.
I do recall that misbehavers had the worst, but sometimes they had it the best too. When the floor banging and head crunching relented, staff always had to resort to trying to bribe with rewards and special attention to get those kids to work, probably only to appease the parents.....but I was ever jealous of all the special attention they got, outside of the violence of course. And when one decided to start working, whoa boy, they were praised and got to walk up to staff whenever they wanted, got to sit with their parents once a week even while on first phase, got to take field trips sometimes. Doesnt make it right, but under the circumstances, it seemed like the way to go if you had the cojones. Some kids snapped to at the attention and decided to do this yoyo on and off thing...so when the attention slowed, they just slumped their shoulders and started talking out in group again.
It showed courage I think, but it also took courage not to sink down into that kind of cycle as well. Some may call people who worked "weak", but there was an equal weakness in misbehaving I think....there was no right way. You simply chose one or the other.
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On 2005-10-05 12:38:00, Withdraw wrote:
How does one unprogram the "psychobabble" running in your heads?
Replace it w/ a more sensible take on things.
How do people stop devulging every single thought?
Oh, practice changing the subject to the other person (people) you're talking with.
Is there a space of peace between the Guilt and Rage? Because I don't want to experience either of those feelings on a daily basis. Don't hate me, I'm hurting alot.
Oh sure! Look, the Program is a mindfuck and it does do some damage. But it's not the worst thing anyone ever survived. Hang out w/ some war vets or depression survivors or immigrants for awhile. You'll see. We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.
--Alan Handleman on Social Security
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I got placed in the program by a parent that was'nt ready or able to "get with the program."
Upon entering the building, I saw right away that most of the kids there pretty much deserved to be there in a sense. There were alot of assholes, and as an adult, I would'nt want them fuckers living in my house with access to my valuables. It did'nt really sink in until Monday nights open meeting when I got to see the other half...the parents. Holy fucking shit!! After seeing the self righteous white collar parents, the religeous nuts and the ones that simply did not have a clue, I came to realize that there was not gonna be any easy way out for me, because in my mind I was way too normal. I told outlandish stories when I related about criminal mischief that I never actually did. Staff caught on, I guess and they started this shit were they would try to force me to admit to all this shit that I refused to be a part of. I did not steal from my mom, I mowed lawns and bought my own shit including pot and beer. I did'nt de-virginize every girl in the subdivision, because most would not give me the time of day. This whole "rap" shit was ludicrus. After four days, I gave up and started being a jerk hoping they would call my probation officer and throw me out of the program.[ This Message was edited by: 85 Day Jerk on 2005-10-05 14:10 ]
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:34 ]
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On 2005-10-05 12:38:00, Withdraw wrote:
"So it's my need to understand it ,that is keeping me from letting go on a regular basis?
Trying to let go...isn't that really oxymoronic? We tend to get all caught up in the effort, which in reality requires none. Hold your lighter and tell me about the effort in letting go of it. It's all a matter of lack of effort.
Why is there a need to "understand"? Think...here I am...suddenly I am impaled by an arrow...5 people around me and I ask them to find the one responsible...Why not ask one to pull the arrow from my body? The need to "understand" is on of my favorite stalling techiques when it comes to letting go...
Don't hate me, I'm hurting alot.
Oy...
Take a deep breath...take that walk suggested earlier in the thread. Listen to some Pink Floyd. Laugh with friends. Come to realize that emotions are not unlike the atmosphere...there it is constant change...cloudy, sunny, rainy but it is still the atmosphere...the weather/emotions...it's all part of it
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Maybe, when you think about it, you just realize how thoroughly dangerous people can be.
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
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Antigen,
I think that is the saddest part of all. After someone has been in a program like this, they can't help but see most people as horrible monsters with insane motives.
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On 2005-10-05 13:56:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
I saw right away that most of the kids there pretty much deserved to be there in a sense.
Would you please clarify this? Do you still think this way?
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I did not make that post but as I remember, there were some that did need help and should have been in some type of program. However most were just being kids.
It's so sick what these monsters did to children just trying to find happiness
Smoking pot = treatment worse than a murderer or rapist at least they could take a shit in private and get 3 square meals a day, but not us. Oh no the evil pot smoker!
They fucked with us from dawn to dusk and now it is their turn.
Semblers time has come. Time for accountability, good luck explaining yourself you abusing sons of bitches.
Oh wow how your world is about to rock, you have no idea what is coming!
This is not a warning this is reality. The door is open and it's from your own ineptitude.
God have mercy upon you, because the survivors or your attorcites do not!
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The quality of mercy is not strained...
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? Please explain ?
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On 2005-10-05 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The quality of mercy is not strained..."
But it damn sure won't be wasted on Sembler, Newton, or any other asshole execs from Straight, either.
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On 2005-10-04 21:08:00, webcrawler wrote:
"I agree we were all hurting in there. It's terrible the things you described happened to you as well. I witnessed some jerks in straight, but I can say not everyone there was like that.
I'm sick of some people that didn't complete the program acting as if they are somehow better for not doing so. I don't really see you doing this though. However, there are some around here that do. Even funnier are the one's that complied until they were pulled and now want to put down others for staying.
I'm happy for people that were freed before I was. But guess what my parents weren't going to take me home and I was not interested in sucking dick and selling ass at 15 years old which would have been the only alternative I knew back then to make it without family support."
Some people who completed the program seem particularly brainwashed. It is wierd to hear the things that come out of their mouths.
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Regarding mercy, it is a poison on you to harm or kill someone. It would be something, to have them in the grip, at the sentencing, having been found guilty, and we say, we have mercy on you. we were locked up. if they knew how angry we all were, what brainwashing did to our young spirits, how terrified we were of the physical abuse, like if they really had to hear everything in the trial. if the judge seamlessly handed down the strongest indictment of their crimes, if this were in every newspaper, if their shame had caused them to have to step down from their positions if power, then, you see we have the power, because society has changed itself to see the child abuse for what it is and has taken pity on our mental illness statuses and also revered us as keepers of important knowledge. if you have power, and you are merciful with your power, that is good.
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See what I really want is a revolution in society. We gotta see what is going on and talk about it and change it. I don't want no more people getting locked up in my state for marijuana anything. We gotta take back the world here. Home of the brave enough to say what we are doing to people in this drug war is very wrong. It is hard to know the whole argument you are going to get into if you try to talk to people about all this. Like you have to do research. They are going to say predictable things. Why is it that the Feds can be such thugs, even when the people have voted that they don't want people locked up for whatever drug crime? How do they get the nerve to serve their superiors who are acting like tyrants? When the gov't isn't serving the will of the people, the people are supposed to do something.
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On 2005-10-05 22:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-04 21:08:00, webcrawler wrote:
"I agree we were all hurting in there. It's terrible the things you described happened to you as well. I witnessed some jerks in straight, but I can say not everyone there was like that.
I'm sick of some people that didn't complete the program acting as if they are somehow better for not doing so. I don't really see you doing this though. However, there are some around here that do. Even funnier are the one's that complied until they were pulled and now want to put down others for staying.
I'm happy for people that were freed before I was. But guess what my parents weren't going to take me home and I was not interested in sucking dick and selling ass at 15 years old which would have been the only alternative I knew back then to make it without family support."
Some people who completed the program seem particularly brainwashed. It is wierd to hear the things that come out of their mouths. "
Brainwashed in what ways?
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Well, it's not in my dictionary, but I really think the correct spelling is "misbehaver". I just thought I'd mention it while there is a lull in the conversation here.
Edit: This is it, folks, the Infamous Spelling Post. [ This Message was edited by: ex-prisoner on 2005-12-09 16:07 ]
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I've pointed this out before. Good luck teaching old dogs new tricks...some people actually argued with me about this when I brought it up before, saying that their spelling of it was ok too.....whatever.
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The girl is pouring out her heart and we are worried about grammar??????
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Well, its like you can spell behavior......behaviour. Its a variation.
A Misbehaver would be an certain individual in the act of misbehaving. Misbehavior would be the "act" of misbehaving itself.
They are both at http://www.websters.com (http://www.websters.com)
That being said, back to the meat of things.
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Webcrawler, you are correct, it is a matter of grammar. Thanks Carmel, for clearing that up very nicely and completely.
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I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the rules of grammar down. Not even close. In 7th-9th grade I missed a lot of school, then did some mickey mouse school work in straight and then dropped out for awhile in 12th and skipped all the time once I went back. It has come back to haunt me.
Anyways, it's unnecessary to police the grammar of those in pain.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:35 ]
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Good to see you back WD :rofl:
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Girls, I think you are being a little sensitive. Nobody was saying anything, so I thought I would just mention about the word. I even conceded not being certain myself, to which Carmel responded helpfully. These sorts of postings have their own merit and purposes.
My own posts have plenty of misspellings. If someone wants to correct me it saves me from hafting to look it up in the dictionary myself.
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But of course I'm sensitive. I only had to list off 20 feelings a day for 2 years. :lol:
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:35 ]
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On 2005-10-05 17:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen,
I think that is the saddest part of all. After someone has been in a program like this, they can't help but see most people as horrible monsters with insane motives."
See, I don't see that as a problem to be solved. Under the right circumstances, most people are horrible monsters w/ insane motives. The trick is finding the cool ones, getting along w/ the rest and having a good life anyway.
What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
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On 2005-10-07 17:48:00, Withdraw wrote:
"S'ok. Ex-Prisoner ,I've learned from You, I can google a dictionary, LOL. Why would I bother? Because I can bend and be flexible and learn to not negitivly effect others. But don't expect it all the time :wink:
[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2005-10-07 17:49 ]"
God, wow. Cool. I thought reformed you into getting a dictionary, and I didn't even know what I was doing! This is great. I shall have to study this effect further.
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=) joo so cute :razz:
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Anyways, it's unnecessary to police the grammar of those in pain.
But there was a lull, like ex-prisoner pointed out before. I don't see what the big deal is.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:36 ]
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Just saying she seemed upset and all and why bother with grammar rules.
I'm tired of talking on this thread. I'm just hanging out reading about crowbars now and turning into Pavlov's dog waiting for that staff member to give me some damn answers. That might cure my posting addiction if he can recognize me and tell me why. That is all I want to know. WHY!!!!! I mean I think I know why, but need to hear the truth from the higher ups.
My friend asked me on the phone earlier why the hell did I just not cop out again when I was on 5th phase. All I can say is that I was so brainwashed into thinking I'd never be able to speak again to the 3 or 4 people I loved most in there, I stayed. Then the pyschotropic drugs I was placed on took a lot from me as well.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:36 ]
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Damn it I am posting again! lol. I wish they would have added some flavoring to that sorry excuse for food they fed us, but no I don't think any drugs were put in it. But I can say the first set of meds I was put on had me so damn lethargic I had no energy left in my body to even go nuts let alone cry.
When you find out the answers to the italics and color thing let me know. :lol:
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It is proper to use one space, but it goes after the comma. The comma, you see, must hang on the last letter of the phrase. To make something appear in italics, you go ..., and whatever you want italicized goes where the dots are. Color has some other code I don't know.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:36 ]
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Wait, sorry, doy. Make italics like this: [ i ]...[ / i ], only there are no spaces in the brackets part.
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I sure make you do silly things. :)
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:37 ]
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There are instructions somewhere on some html codes that are just as easy as the italics thing.
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I agree it's unnecessary to point out a mispelling here. What's the point?
Obviously the result wasn't to teach her how to spell something as much as to upset and/or make her mad. If that's what you were going for then you have succeeded. If not, then you have failed.
It's up to you if you want to keep acting like you don't give a crap how you are perceived when I know you do, simply because you're human.
Don't be so afraid of being weak. That's just straight talking to you.
What do you think about that lesson?
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:37 ]
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Don't censor or degrade others for not meeting your expectation and we will get along just fine
This never happened anywhere..or perhaps (seems unlikely though) this was a precautionary suggestion? Wtf. Totally don't get it. Neverthe fuckmind. Hey ex-prisoner, man....lay off the sensitive "druggies." You're being totally unCOOL man... :lol:
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On 2005-10-07 21:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't censor or degrade others for not meeting your expectation and we will get along just fine
This never happened anywhere..or perhaps (seems unlikely though) this was a precautionary suggestion? Wtf. Totally don't get it. Neverthe fuckmind. Hey ex-prisoner, man....lay off the sensitive "druggies." You're being totally unCOOL man... :lol:"
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Well you all get on here like you LOVED Straight! All the movies, the outings, the deep and loving friendships! "What was good about Straight?" "How did Straight make me feel better about myself?" "What did Straight do to teach us to be ascetic monks?" I just don't have the drugs to deal with this kind of annoying like flies and itchy wool sweaters are annoying kind of thing that I read here. So piss right the fuck off. And piss right the fuck off with "taking a look at yourself" and other such boring boring stupid not-going-to-make-you-any-friends kind of thing to say! It's been lovely telling you to fuck off, ladies. Clap clap. Shall we do this again sometime. I'm afraid I can't stay for the part where you analyze my motives and oh what's the other boring tactic.
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I love when people tell me to fuck off. See response telling us to fuck off below :rofl:
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Ah yes.
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I think: Don't You would have been directed, directly at her, but I didn't use the word You did I?
And even so, You don't find constantly ( it's happened plenty over my posting history here ) being corrected on spelling/grammer/typing degrading, when I was pouring out my feelings and thoughts in my first couple posts? I do. People's spelling and grammer is kinda a non issue here, wouldn't ya think?
But we both made our points and moved on, wth have you been? Then we even did some teaching/learning...Debate expands the minds of all involved, or did you miss all that?
WD
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Don't You would have been directed, directly at her, but I didn't use the word You did I?
GFG, this makes no sense at all..
And even so, You don't find constantly ( it's happened plenty over my posting history here ) being corrected on spelling/grammer/typing degrading, when I was pouring out my feelings and thoughts in my first couple posts? I do. People's spelling and grammer is kinda a non issue here, wouldn't ya think?
This happens to you constantly? I don't notice it.
But we both made our points and moved on, wth have you been? Then we even did some teaching/learning...Debate expands the minds of all involved, or did you miss all that?
No, i missed none of it. I STILL don't see the "censoring" that you refer to come to think of it...wtf your own damn self. :lol:
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Just another post made in haste, taking what people say out of context. Does the term Grats! mean anything to ya, bet it does...
WD
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not a damned thing...anyone?
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It's not "out of context," y' moron! :silly:
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Jeez wd, make some bloody SENSE, will you?? :rofl:
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:38 ]
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OMFG, person. If it was directed, directly at her, I would have said: Don't YOU censor or degrade .. blah.. blah... But I didn't.
What is the definition of "is"? :lol:
Get over it, I did, but your on my nerves now, you win, go to sleep feeling good that you won, LOL and it's pretty much none of your buisness anyhow, LOL
Whatever. Anything on this fucking board is my business if I wanna make it my business. Fuck off and goodnight.
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Oh, so the Forum God has made his appearence. Finally we have been awaiting your arrivial. Oh Guru of Fornits Political correctness, tell what is the proper way to send a friendship letter up the CoC here? Cause I'd like to send one to You
Now go find a dam group and get some AAs.
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Maybe we should just make a new thread where we post user name versus user name and everyone can take votes on who would get their asses kicked.
Jeezuz this is getting manic over here today and it almost feels good in a sick way. :grin:
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Pfffttt..
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:38 ]
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you say that, but you don't know shit. :lol:
I thought you were goin' t'bed.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:38 ]
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On 2005-10-07 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree it's unnecessary to point out a mispelling here. What's the point?
Obviously the result wasn't to teach her how to spell something as much as to upset and/or make her mad. If that's what you were going for then you have succeeded. If not, then you have failed.
It's up to you if you want to keep acting like you don't give a crap how you are perceived when I know you do, simply because you're human.
Don't be so afraid of being weak. That's just straight talking to you.
What do you think about that lesson?"
Ree tar ded. You just LOVE getting me on your couch, don't you. You little sicko! If I wanted to upset somebody, I could come up with something a WHOLE lot more upsetting than a spelling mistake. Good Lord. You are illogical. I don't any cure for that, other than smacking you upside the head.
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Okay, I'm back from my break. Page 8, it looks like someone real high on drugs stepped in.
Lordy me, I had no idea a little spelling break would turn into a playground brawl later on. Aiyiyi.
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It cracks me up when people post/troll themselves. I can't take it. It's so funny!
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No, you're funny.
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On 2005-10-07 23:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-07 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree it's unnecessary to point out a mispelling here. What's the point?
Obviously the result wasn't to teach her how to spell something as much as to upset and/or make her mad. If that's what you were going for then you have succeeded. If not, then you have failed.
It's up to you if you want to keep acting like you don't give a crap how you are perceived when I know you do, simply because you're human.
Don't be so afraid of being weak. That's just straight talking to you.
What do you think about that lesson?"
Ree tar ded. You just LOVE getting me on your couch, don't you. You little sicko! If I wanted to upset somebody, I could come up with something a WHOLE lot more upsetting than a spelling mistake. Good Lord. You are illogical. I don't any cure for that, other than smacking you upside the head. "
Please re-read my post. I did not ever say that you were trying to upset anybody. According to you if that wasn't your goal, then you failed to accomplish whatever you intended to.
And I'm sorry if I missed this conversation or came in late, but it was frustrating to read.
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No worries, babe. Rock on! ::rocker::
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On 2005-10-07 17:34:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
"Girls, I think you are being a little sensitive. Nobody was saying anything, so I thought I would just mention about the word. I even conceded not being certain myself, to which Carmel responded helpfully. These sorts of postings have their own merit and purposes.
My own posts have plenty of misspellings. If someone wants to correct me it saves me from hafting to look it up in the dictionary myself."
Ree tar ded. You just LOVE getting me on your couch, don't you. You little sicko!
If I wanted to be overly sensitive, I would have reacted to something much less upsetting than being criticized for a misspelling!! Good Lord.
You are illogical. I don't any cure for that, other than smacking you upside the head.
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Crazy, man, crazy!!!! :cool:
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::hehehmm:: ::fuckoff:: ::burger:: :question: :question: ::noway:: ::noway::
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On 2005-10-08 12:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-07 23:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-07 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree it's unnecessary to point out a mispelling here. What's the point?
Obviously the result wasn't to teach her how to spell something as much as to upset and/or make her mad. If that's what you were going for then you have succeeded. If not, then you have failed.
It's up to you if you want to keep acting like you don't give a crap how you are perceived when I know you do, simply because you're human.
Don't be so afraid of being weak. That's just straight talking to you.
What do you think about that lesson?"
Ree tar ded. You just LOVE getting me on your couch, don't you. You little sicko! If I wanted to upset somebody, I could come up with something a WHOLE lot more upsetting than a spelling mistake. Good Lord. You are illogical. I don't any cure for that, other than smacking you upside the head. "
Please re-read my post. I did not ever say that you were trying to upset anybody. According to you if that wasn't your goal, then you failed to accomplish whatever you intended to.
And I'm sorry if I missed this conversation or came in late, but it was frustrating to read."
You are correct. I read "obviously the result" as "obviously the intention".
Er, yah, I reelly don't care if anyone misspells. Go for it. I also don't care if anyone gets their feelings hurt if anyone else points out a proper spelling. I don't care!
You know, I am intimately knowledgeable about taking things personally, being really sensitive, and using that as evidence and reason to accuse someone else of being abusive. It starts to look a little ridiculous when this happens over a SPELLING BEE. I took my knocks and lost out on the school championship. Some RANDOM word from fucking Middle Ages armor. In elementary school! Ask me to spell a french word common in musical scores, no problemo. How many elementary kids study Middle Ages Armor? A grave injustice was done to me that day. My name is Elmer Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.
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Well, but that is a totally different context than this is. You didn't go to the spelling bee thinking you were going to talk about how you were feeling upset about something to people that had been through something similar.
Anyways, I'm really kind of over this whole thing now. So keep doing whatever it is you want. I still don't believe that you don't care though. We ALL care.
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Now look what you are doing. You are telling me that you think I really do care that you cried over my Spelling Post. I can't say anything around here, make a little exaggerated farce about a school spelling bee, make a Perfectly Harmless Spelling Post, without you telling me I am wrong, and NOW you tell me how I Really Feel! God. You have a fuck of a lot of nerve.
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Well i kinda thought that was why people came around here anyway; to get down to it.
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wah....wah....wah... a bunch of goddamn babies! ::crybaby:: ::boohoo::
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"Perfectly harmless"...obviously that is a bit of a contraversial characterization. I don't know if I would give it all caps. Sorry I didn't know your example of how you've not taken similar things personally was completely irrelevant. And besides all of this, I thought you didn't care?? I was just beginning to believe you.
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It is controversial. That was a Very Controversial Spelling Post. Quite possibly The Most Controversial Spelling Post Ever On Fornits. Yay me. I heard the committee is paying Animals to etch a suitable engraving on a trophy for me with a stream of piss. He will then fill it up with more piss for you to drink, since you are so thirsty for it.
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well I dont know if I would say it was the most contraversial post ever, actually what i said was that your description of the actual post was contraversial in nature, as the characterization was in fact the very point of disagreement on this thread.
Whew!!
such confusion abounding....
and about the piss, I'm sorry but are you saying that you are deliberately not making any sense on this thread? that would at least clarify some things in a way. and save me the effort of responding further to this ridiculousness....
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Man, what a meat market. I should start charging a cover, eh? Any ideas? Books. I like books. You could just start randomly sending me some by book rate mail or something. Ya' know, along those lines. :wave:
The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire...Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up.
--Elizabeth Cady-Stanton
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:39 ]
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On 2005-10-10 18:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"well I dont know if I would say it was the most contraversial post ever, actually what i said was that your description of the actual post was contraversial in nature, as the characterization was in fact the very point of disagreement on this thread.
Whew!!
such confusion abounding....
and about the piss, I'm sorry but are you saying that you are deliberately not making any sense on this thread? that would at least clarify some things in a way. and save me the effort of responding further to this ridiculousness...."
I am saying that there is a certain amount of lining up to drink piss, and a much smaller percentage of people working the beverage cart. So to speak. Let's assume for the sake of your ego that you merely failed to put sufficient effort into considering what I meant. Nevertheless, this blunder costs you points.
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I'm sorry, maybe someone much more intelligent can explain this last post to me. I am hereby completely lost. All except of course the comment about the ego, which I am intimately familiar with thanks to straight. I assume you are using it in the same manner? In which case, fuck off...
:wave:
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Here we go again... :roll:
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On 2005-10-12 21:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm sorry, maybe someone much more intelligent can explain this last post to me. I am hereby completely lost. All except of course the comment about the ego, which I am intimately familiar with thanks to straight. I assume you are using it in the same manner? In which case, fuck off...
:wave: "
There you go again, making other people responsible for your issues! Why so defensive about having an ego?
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That's right, keep up using emotional tactics to get out of the discussion. I don't care but you look silly.
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Why don't you two get a room? Use IRC or something..just a suggestion.
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On 2005-10-13 08:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's right, keep up using emotional tactics to get out of the discussion. I don't care but you look silly."
My looks have nothing to do with this. And I thought I was the one who didn't care.
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On 2005-10-13 09:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't you two get a room? Use IRC or something..just a suggestion."
My thoughts exactly. Of course she will never shut up because she has to prove how insane she is.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:39 ]
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Not me. :lol:
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I have it on good authority that it is Bill the Cat and Peppermint Patty. You know, "Aaack. Thbblibpt." "Charlie Brown, there is no hope for you." They are at odds to begin with, but they both have red hair, and they are both cartoons. Wait and see (trans.: "watch and hunker").
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On 2005-10-13 11:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-13 09:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't you two get a room? Use IRC or something..just a suggestion."
My thoughts exactly. Of course she will never shut up because she has to prove how insane she is."
YAWN.....
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I have come in search of straightlings for this very reason... I wanted to find this girl Teresa D. who was in Springfield with me in 1988. We were newcomers together a lot and I always felt she was treated horribly. She stood up, she talked, she did all the same crap as everyone else. She also pulled out every single lash or hair from around her eyes.
She was caught masturbating in her bed one night, or so they said. They were horrible to her. I hated myself for not saying something to them then. of course i couldn't say anything to her because we were both newcomers. I think I was probably even to afraid to make eye contact with her.
She is out of all of them the person I hope most of all is ok. I want to tell her I am sorry, not that there was much i could have done, but I left her alone. i could have given her something to let her know she wasn't alone.
Her mom and mine were friends while I was still in and my mom had left, leaving me at the mercy of that place and my dad who was totally whipped at the time. he was committed.
Anyway, I have a lot of guilt for so many things. For copping out, for not finishing, for restraining people, just to get a long. For relating to people when i really was just grasping at straws. For being an oldcommer, for not hitting some of those phsychos when they were up in my face.
I am still a wuss. I have admired those who did misbehave, though hated them at the same time as it meant more bruises, kicks, scratches and bites for me.
Anyway, you are 100% right, we wre all there just trying to get by. I think some of us were more aware of the conscequences of things going on around us that others as well.
Those misbehavers did make it to higher phases briefly and they ran their fingers down someone elses back too.
I don't think any of us were not at one time or other either the tortured or the torturers.
there were also those times when the newcomers could help each other a bit. In group she always tried to relate to me and I believe I did the sme for her if I was called on.
I just remembered that.