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General Interest => Let It Bleed => Topic started by: webcrawler on September 18, 2005, 08:14:00 PM
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Before being locked away I was terrified to drop acid. After hearing so many people share about using it before they entered the program I was no longer fearful and quite curious.
I dropped my first hit about 7 months after leaving straight. My best friend never really did drugs until she met me. She decided that she too wanted to partake in the experience of dropping. So we called up this guy we knew and bought 2 hits for $5 each.
We decided that we wanted to just stay in her room and be with one another because neither of us knew what to expect. We both put the square of paper on our tongues and leaned back in her bed just waiting.
Soon we began to have these wonderful thoughts and just started talking nonstop for hours. We kept saying "I wonder if it's working" meanwhile discussing how beautiful the colors were in her room. As we lay there talking and looking up at the stars through her skylight we started laughing hysterically because we realized the acid indeed worked.
I had finally found the perfect drug that helped me to feel happy,intelligent, free and balanced emotionally. No getting stupid from being drunk, no slurred words, and best of all I was not sleepy after using it. This indeed was one of my greastest experiences with her and I have no regrets about ever using it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary)
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On 2005-09-18 18:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary"
Ever read "Confessions of a Hope Fiend"? :tup:
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On 2005-09-18 20:46:00, webcrawler wrote:
Ever read "Confessions of a Hope Fiend"? :tup: "
No, but the two reviews are interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005XDMO/qid=1127102794/sr=1-17/ref=sr_1_17/002-7838867-5710400?v=glance&s=books)
Looking at his prolific writing makes me wish I
had time to read them all ...
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On 2005-09-18 17:14:00, webcrawler wrote:
"Before being locked away I was terrified to drop acid. After hearing so many people share about using it before they entered the program I was no longer fearful and quite curious.
I dropped my first hit about 7 months after leaving straight. My best friend never really did drugs until she met me. She decided that she too wanted to partake in the experience of dropping. So we called up this guy we knew and bought 2 hits for $5 each.
We decided that we wanted to just stay in her room and be with one another because neither of us knew what to expect. We both put the square of paper on our tongues and leaned back in her bed just waiting.
Soon we began to have these wonderful thoughts and just started talking nonstop for hours. We kept saying "I wonder if it's working" meanwhile discussing how beautiful the colors were in her room. As we lay there talking and looking up at the stars through her skylight we started laughing hysterically because we realized the acid indeed worked.
I had finally found the perfect drug that helped me to feel happy,intelligent, free and balanced emotionally. No getting stupid from being drunk, no slurred words, and best of all I was not sleepy after using it. This indeed was one of my greastest experiences with her and I have no regrets about ever using it."
i had nothing but good experiences with acid.....
especially after straight......
:wink:
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2005-09-22 22:53 ]
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2005-09-22 22:53 ]
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LSD can be a very beautiful experience. A really good guidebook to help you get the most out of an acid, mashroom, peyote, etc. trip is Dr. Timothy Leary's adaptation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. A truly wonderful and inspiring work, interesting on many levels, an excellent roadmap for exploring non-ordinary realities and states of consciousness.
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If LSD is used, and I dont recomend it is by any means. I really dont like/do drugs, it must be used carefully. A friend of mine has long term brain damage from it. I would hate to see that happen to one of you guys.
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On 2005-09-22 17:03:00, OverLordd wrote:
A friend of mine has long term brain damage from it.
This I do not believe. Although I agree with your statement that LSD, if used, should be used carefully, I do not know of any cases of 'brain damage' arising from the use of LSD. He may have had a pre-existing psychological condition that may have disqualified him from using LSD, but I have serious doubts as to the validity of your statement that "LSD caused brain damage".
Psychedelics are very powerful drugs, and in my opinion, should not be used frivolously, but with respect, and informed consideration. Certain people should not use them, and no one should use them in inappropriate settings. Although your friend's case is saddening, I do not think it is accurate or helpful to make a statement such as you did. You are contributing to misinformation about drugs, a subject where there is a lot of intentional misinformation thrown around. I don't think you meant this deliberately, I think you weere just pointing out to people the need for caution, but get your facts right. Otherwise, it seems like the 'scare stories' that they threw at us in grade school, or Straight, etc., and those things did more harm than good.
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On 2005-09-22 17:03:00, OverLordd wrote:
"If LSD is used, and I dont recomend it is by any means. I really dont like/do drugs, it must be used carefully. A friend of mine has long term brain damage from it. I would hate to see that happen to one of you guys."
I would like you to elaborate on the brain damage thing. Did a doctor tell him this? It seems like it depends on a person's chemical makeup on whether or not LSD is a good thing or bad thing.
Personally, I have been happy on it and surrounded myself with people that I knew loved and cared about me while I took it. There's only one time I had what could be considered a bad trip and that's when I was coming down and could not sleep for several days and had been arguing with my b/f.
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Yeah, I don't buy the 'brain damage' allegation, either. His friend may have had some latent form of psychosis, that the LSD potentiated, but that can't be blamed on the acid.
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He is now mentally retarted, he was not before hand. Its simple as that, he may of OD'ed or something, but something is wrong with his mind now. Retardation may not be the correct word, but its the best desriptor I can come up with.
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Look I'm sorry to hear about your friend Overlord, but I don't think it's from lsd. He may have had some problems that were going to happen anyways regardless of what he did. Genetics.
I came over here on this thread to glorify my past drug use. I'm not dead, insane, or in jail from dropping lsd at 19. When I want to cry about my past drug use I'll be sure to go on the survivor's thread. The whole reason why this forum was started was to talk about great sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Still love ya. ::kiss::
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On 2005-09-22 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LSD can be a very beautiful experience. A really good guidebook to help you get the most out of an acid, mashroom, peyote, etc. trip is Dr. Timothy Leary's adaptation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. A truly wonderful and inspiring work, interesting on many levels, an excellent roadmap for exploring non-ordinary realities and states of consciousness."
oh jesus christ, who the fuck needs a book? god damn you people are slow.
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"god damn you people are slow"
Hey, the topic is LSD not crystal :em:
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On 2005-09-23 22:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-22 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LSD can be a very beautiful experience. A really good guidebook to help you get the most out of an acid, mashroom, peyote, etc. trip is Dr. Timothy Leary's adaptation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. A truly wonderful and inspiring work, interesting on many levels, an excellent roadmap for exploring non-ordinary realities and states of consciousness."
oh jesus christ, who the fuck needs a book? god damn you people are slow."
No one needs a book to trip, however, it is an excellent guidebook to help a neophyte deal with what can be a confusing experience. The visions, the bardos, reentry, all that shit. No, I didn't use it my first hundred times out, but the first time I did use The Psychedelic Experience as a model for the trip, I got REALLY REALLY high, I mean, "enlightened". I haven't reallly come down since, except when I talk to you. That can be a real bring-down.
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On 2005-09-24 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-23 22:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-22 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LSD can be a very beautiful experience. A really good guidebook to help you get the most out of an acid, mashroom, peyote, etc. trip is Dr. Timothy Leary's adaptation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. A truly wonderful and inspiring work, interesting on many levels, an excellent roadmap for exploring non-ordinary realities and states of consciousness."
oh jesus christ, who the fuck needs a book? god damn you people are slow."
No one needs a book to trip, however, it is an excellent guidebook to help a neophyte deal with what can be a confusing experience. The visions, the bardos, reentry, all that shit. No, I didn't use it my first hundred times out, but the first time I did use The Psychedelic Experience as a model for the trip, I got REALLY REALLY high, I mean, "enlightened". I haven't reallly come down since, except when I talk to you. That can be a real bring-down."
:nworthy: :nworthy: ::kiss::
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On 2005-09-24 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-23 22:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-22 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LSD can be a very beautiful experience. A really good guidebook to help you get the most out of an acid, mashroom, peyote, etc. trip is Dr. Timothy Leary's adaptation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. A truly wonderful and inspiring work, interesting on many levels, an excellent roadmap for exploring non-ordinary realities and states of consciousness."
oh jesus christ, who the fuck needs a book? god damn you people are slow."
No one needs a book to trip, however, it is an excellent guidebook to help a neophyte deal with what can be a confusing experience. The visions, the bardos, reentry, all that shit. No, I didn't use it my first hundred times out, but the first time I did use The Psychedelic Experience as a model for the trip, I got REALLY REALLY high, I mean, "enlightened". I haven't reallly come down since, except when I talk to you. That can be a real bring-down."
That is because you are stupid, and i point it out. I will gladly keep pointing out how stupid you are.
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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info7.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info7.shtml)
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On 2005-09-24 17:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-24 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-23 22:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-22 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LSD can be a very beautiful experience. A really good guidebook to help you get the most out of an acid, mashroom, peyote, etc. trip is Dr. Timothy Leary's adaptation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. A truly wonderful and inspiring work, interesting on many levels, an excellent roadmap for exploring non-ordinary realities and states of consciousness."
oh jesus christ, who the fuck needs a book? god damn you people are slow."
No one needs a book to trip, however, it is an excellent guidebook to help a neophyte deal with what can be a confusing experience. The visions, the bardos, reentry, all that shit. No, I didn't use it my first hundred times out, but the first time I did use The Psychedelic Experience as a model for the trip, I got REALLY REALLY high, I mean, "enlightened". I haven't reallly come down since, except when I talk to you. That can be a real bring-down."
That is because you are stupid, and i point it out. I will gladly keep pointing out how stupid you are. "
Bitch. How are the cats?
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It's been a while but I'd like to do it at least one more time before I die.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD)
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On 2006-03-02 22:13:00, Froderik wrote:
"It's been a while but I'd like to do it at least one more time before I die."
I second this!
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I donno ,i like peyote and mushrooms
as with cid your first trip is your best
Another book by leary had a qoute that said "when you get the message hang up the phone" .I think it was the JoYous Cosmology.
If you make very potent brownies (and don't burn the butter) you can understand why it is cosidered to be hallucenigenic .
and having eaten some very potent brownies one day with a friend ,we started to play trival peruit before they kicked in ....bout an hour and a half later or so our short term memory was severly impaired because after one of us thru the dice it was impossible to remember who had thrown the dice and therefore whose turn it was anyway...
Literally wiped out the short term . Gladly this was not a permanant thing but nevertheless it was quite funny.
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I've done a lot of drugs since getting out of ASR. I never really did any before I went in, so you can imagine how curious I was after living with a bunch of kids who had tried everything under the sun. Slowly but surely I made my way through the wide variety of drugs available, trying everything once or twice, but never really favoring one drug over another. This all changed when I started to experiment with psychedelics. Thanks to my experiences with various hallucinogens I've been able to broaden my horizons, reawaken my love of nature, philosophy, and science, learn to appreciate art and music that I never would have given a chance, and most importantly, I was able to look at the world with a sense of childlike wonder that I never even had as a child.
I've seen a lot of people have bad experiences with hallucinogens, but my own experiences have all been positive. I believe that a lot of this has to do with the way individuals approach a drug. First and foremost, anything that has the potential to reshape your world view needs to approached with caution. Experimenting with hallucinogens is a little like playing with fire. If you use fire under controlled settings with a purpose in mind, it can be a miraculous tool. But if you're too young or too naive to appreciate its potential for harm, it can kill you.
Most of the people I know whose experiences with LSD were on the negative end of the spectrum were those that experimented with it at a young age, without any supervision or guidance, and the drug overwhelmed them. Most of the people whose experiences were more like mine were those who waited until they were older (my first trip was at 19), and started out slow with an experienced friend to babysit them.
By no means am I trying to claim that I'm an expert on the subject, but in my own experience, LSD and other psychedelics have enormous potential when handled with caution and respect.
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I started dropping acid when I was 15, and look at me..I turned out ok! Be back in a lil bit- I need to go get ridda the snakes that keep coming up out of my toilet! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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You should try using drano, the snakes hate the smell.
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[ This Message was edited by: Froderik on 2006-03-11 16:42 ]
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Good idea- AND I can use it to cut the stuff that I sell to people! :idea:
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Make sure to sell it to little kids and tell them that it's a scratch and sniff sticker.
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On 2006-03-11 14:28:00, Goodtobefree wrote:
"I've done a lot of drugs since getting out of ASR. I never really did any before I went in, so you can imagine how curious I was after living with a bunch of kids who had tried everything under the sun. Slowly but surely I made my way through the wide variety of drugs available, trying everything once or twice, but never really favoring one drug over another. This all changed when I started to experiment with psychedelics. Thanks to my experiences with various hallucinogens I've been able to broaden my horizons, reawaken my love of nature, philosophy, and science, learn to appreciate art and music that I never would have given a chance, and most importantly, I was able to look at the world with a sense of childlike wonder that I never even had as a child.
I've seen a lot of people have bad experiences with hallucinogens, but my own experiences have all been positive. I believe that a lot of this has to do with the way individuals approach a drug. First and foremost, anything that has the potential to reshape your world view needs to approached with caution. Experimenting with hallucinogens is a little like playing with fire. If you use fire under controlled settings with a purpose in mind, it can be a miraculous tool. But if you're too young or too naive to appreciate its potential for harm, it can kill you.
Most of the people I know whose experiences with LSD were on the negative end of the spectrum were those that experimented with it at a young age, without any supervision or guidance, and the drug overwhelmed them. Most of the people whose experiences were more like mine were those who waited until they were older (my first trip was at 19), and started out slow with an experienced friend to babysit them.
By no means am I trying to claim that I'm an expert on the subject, but in my own experience, LSD and other psychedelics have enormous potential when handled with caution and respect."
Yeah, I would add it's not a good thing to use for someone that is uptight either.
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I'd never recommend it for an uptight person, or someone with a very black and white worldview. But every once in a while, one of those people who you'd never think would be able to handle it, has an absolutely mindblowing experience and it really loosens them up. The odds are not good for that sort of thing, but I've always been facinated by the idea of LSD "colorizing" someone's black and white perspective.
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On 2005-09-22 17:03:00, OverLordd wrote:
"If LSD is used, and I dont recomend it is by any means. I really dont like/do drugs, it must be used carefully. A friend of mine has long term brain damage from it. I would hate to see that happen to one of you guys."
Shuttup, LSD doesnt cause brain damage
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LSD at 12 years old. Fucking "A" perspective for a sixth grader. Hadn't even tried pot yet. Really dug those trips though.Don't need it anymore. It's for kids.
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On 2006-03-12 22:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LSD at 12 years old. Fucking "A" perspective for a sixth grader. Hadn't even tried pot yet. Really dug those trips though.Don't need it anymore. It's for kids."
i hear ya
i loved tripping on lsd in my teens and early twenties, but i don't care if i ever do it again or not
damn, 12? don't know if i could have handled it then
:wave:
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On 2006-03-12 15:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-22 17:03:00, OverLordd wrote:
"If LSD is used, and I dont recomend it is by any means. I really dont like/do drugs, it must be used carefully. A friend of mine has long term brain damage from it. I would hate to see that happen to one of you guys."
Shuttup, LSD doesnt cause brain damage"
.i agree
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First off, in theory we're all talking about the drug known as 9,10-Didehydro-N,N-diethyl-6-methylergoline-8�-carboxamide , commonly referred to as LSD, D-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, Acid, etc. I mention this because whenever we're dealing with illicit substances, it's important to remember that unless you have a proven scientific method of identifying the substance, you really can't be sure.
I don't think I'd be wrong in assuming that a majority of those that have used LSD repeatedly have probably used other drugs as well. Was LSD the only drug this person had ever done? Can you verify that the substance in question was actually LSD? (The word of a drug dealer doesn't count, and personal testimony based on taking a sample from the same batch isn't concrete proof, since there are a variety of hallucinogenic drugs with similar effects. From personal experience with a variety of hallucinogens, I will attest that it is not possible to identify psychelic substances by taking them. LSD is an incredibly complex and unstable molecule. It's very difficult to produce, high in demand, and there's a handful of related drugs with virtually indistinguishable effects. I challenge anyone to take an unknown hallucinogen and tell me they know for a fact whether it's LSD, 2C-I, 2C-T-7, LSA, ALD-52, or any number of other drugs. They all exhibit similar effects in varying proportions, with less consistency than other types of drugs. The same dose from the same batch of the same drug can produce a wide range of experiences depending on things like setting, emotional state, physical condition, etc. 2 hits of acid might feel great if you're going to sit out in the sun and watch the clouds, but the experience won't even be recognizable if you swallow em right when the cops pull you over. So once again, can you verify that it was indeed the drug in question that caused your friend's brain damage? If so, what's the dosage? How many times? How much time in between uses? There's a lot of variables to consider.
What about family history of neurological disorders? What about physical injuries? What about psychological trauma? We're talking about an entire lifetime full of potentially brain damaging incidents. How can you blame brain damage on LSD when there's a bunch of other possible causes, and no proven method for ruling all of them out? Not to mention that even when we understand the way drugs interact with the brain, there's not nearly as much information on combinations of drugs, cumulative effects of regular use of different substances, by people of different ages or genders, etc. There's so many variables to consider before pointing to LSD as the direct cause of brain damage, neurological disorders, etc.
I'm not saying LSD is without risk, or that I know for a fact that it can't cause brain damage. But so far, I've yet to see any proof that use of LSD causes brain damage. And even if it hypothetically could cause brain damage, there's still the question of circumstances. Even if LSD has the potential to cause brain damage, does that mean everyone who tries it is at risk? How much or how often before damage occurs? Does it only happen to people with certain pre-existing conditions?
Any responses? Does anyone know of documented cases of brain damage where all the aforementioned possibilities have been ruled out, and the cause has been identified beyond a reasonable doubt as LSD?
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I'm not saying LSD is without risk, or that I know for a fact that it can't cause brain damage. But so far, I've yet to see any proof that use of LSD causes brain damage. And even if it hypothetically could cause brain damage, there's still the question of circumstances. Even if LSD has the potential to cause brain damage, does that mean everyone who tries it is at risk? How much or how often before damage occurs? Does it only happen to people with certain pre-existing conditions?
Well ~your brain seems to be doing ok... yeah, I don't buy the dain bramage thing at all. :smile:
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On 2006-03-15 07:04:00, Froderik wrote:
"I'm not saying LSD is without risk, or that I know for a fact that it can't cause brain damage. But so far, I've yet to see any proof that use of LSD causes brain damage. And even if it hypothetically could cause brain damage, there's still the question of circumstances. Even if LSD has the potential to cause brain damage, does that mean everyone who tries it is at risk? How much or how often before damage occurs? Does it only happen to people with certain pre-existing conditions?
I don't buy the dain bramage thing at all. :smile:"
Not at all. Psychosis, maybe, in individuals who are latently psychotic, but "brain damage", no.
As for the earlier statement rearding the differences between LSD and ather psychedelic chemicals, I disagree, at least in the case of ALD-52, which at higher doses has been found to have a paranoia-inducing quality that LSD does not. I do agree with the auhor's assertion that in general, you really can't tell what you are getting on the black market, which is why I prefer naturally-occuring psychoactives when I wish to go that route.
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That's why I like blotter paper. The chances of getting something other than LSD are slimmer, since the number of substances that are active at a dose that fits on a tiny piece of paper is quite small. If it's not the real thing, it's more likely to be harmless paper than another drug. LSD is active at very very low levels. You can feel strong effects from 100 micrograms or less. The other reason you're more likely to get nothing rather than another drug, is that of all the substances you possibly could fit on the paper that would have any discernable effect, very few are anything at all like LSD, or nearly as practical to mass produce. (Not that LSD is easy to make, by any stretch of the imagination, but it's high demand has made it's more lucrative to make and sell the real deal than it is to make and sell fake shit. You won't sell much acid if everybody who tries your stuff hates it and knows that it's something else. If I want you to take multiple milligrams of a substance, I want you to put it in something else, a pill, for example. But at least these days there are cheap and easy verification tests available at head shops and on the internet. Put a drop on your pill, see what color it changes, look at the color chart, and you know what you've got, or at least you know what you DON'T have. I've yet to hear of anything like this for verifying the presence of LSD, but considering what I've said above about blotter paper and risk, I'll go with the only test I know. And I suppose it deserves a better name, but "The Acid Test" is just so damn fun to say.
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If I want you to take multiple milligrams of a substance, I want you to put it in something else, a pill, for example.
You no doubt wrote "you need" and not "I want you" in the above sentence. This anomaly was implemented by the admin for reasons that don't necessarily concern us at the moment.
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I can dig it.
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are there any countries where its legal
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Good question..
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please help drought on long island east end
need emergency mail sent will pay finders fee
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please help the less fortunate get the relaxation they derserve
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On 2005-09-23 18:04:00, OverLordd wrote:
"He is now mentally retarted, he was not before hand. Its simple as that, he may of OD'ed or something, but something is wrong with his mind now. Retardation may not be the correct word, but its the best desriptor I can come up with."
Wasnt LSD then..LSD causing brain damage is a myth..perhaps you meant PCP? or 5 meo dpit, or 5 meo amt?