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Thanks.
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Getting access to this site would be VERY interesting...
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
Chelsy(Kegger)
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Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
HI~
MY NAME IS BECCA. I AM 15 YEARS OLD. MY SISTERS NAME IS MELISSA SHE IS 16 IN A HAFE. MY MOM PUT HER IN SPRING CREEK IN JUNE. SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 6 MONTHS NOW. MELISSA WAS ON DANGEROUS DRUGS THAT COULD OF KILLED HER. MY MOM KICKED HER OUT OF HER HOUSE IN APRIL. THEN MELISSA WENT WITH HER FREINDS AND THAT WAS BAD. ALL OF HER FRIENDS WERE ON DRUGS. WE HAD MY SISTER TAKEN AWAY IN HANDCUFFS BECAUSE SHE REFUSE TO GO. IT WAS A HORRIBLE SIGHT FOR ME I CREID SO HARD. IT WAS LIKE A HELPLESS FEELING INSIDE AND I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I AM GETTING THROUGH THIS HARD TIME RIGHT NOW. I STILL THINK ABOUT MELISSA. MY SISTER IS WITH THE DENSITY GROUP.I HOPE ALL OF YOU WHO READS THIS NOWS THAT YOUR NOT ALONE. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!
BECCA K.
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
We just recently went through Discovery and WOW we really got a lot out of it. It made us take a look at ourselves and how we are truly accountable for our choices and not the choices of those around us. I hope that everyone was able to get that from the seminar. We went into Discovery thinking it was going to be all about our child, however we quickly learned that it has nothing to do with Jordan. We also learned we are not our child's problem, our child is our child's problem. We were able to get rid of so much baggage during Discovery. We are anxious, excited and scared about focus but very much looking forward to it. Discovery has brought us closer as a family and we believe we are able to set boundaries for the other children in our household in order to preserve their childhood and aid in their becoming mature, responsible adults.
We are having some struggles at this time due to Jordan's Biological Mother not supporting the program. She is having some struggles deciding if she wants to support the program or not. Unfortunately for Jordan, she is aware of her Mother's struggle at this time. Therefore, Jordan has not advanced in her program. She went through Discovery and it only got worse. We had a hard time trying to figure out how someone who went through the same program we did, did not get anything from it. After Discovery her letters were full of hate and venom. She states that she hates us and that she refuses to accept us. She however is very smart and knows exactly what she is doing. We do not get along with her biological Mother and she knows if she manipulates her Mother with these words she will be pulled from the program. Currently this manipulation tactic is working. Her Mother is currently trying to decide when she wants to pull Jordan from the program. We would love anyone's feedback and inspiration on how to deal with our situation. We can only stand on our thoughts of, we can not control the world and if the decisions they (Monica and Jordan) make arrive in removing Jordan from the program, these are decisions they will have to live with and be accountable for. Jordan ran away prior to being placed into Spring Creek. She ran away from her Mothers house based on an argument that ended in her Mother telling her to pack her things and get out. Now Jordan is manipulating this same Mother in order to be removed from the program. Jordan's Mother does not believe she belongs in Spring Creek for whatever reasons. However, she has no idea the things her daughter was involved in and refuses to listen. All she sees is ways to get at us through giving Jordan what she wants. She is not even looking at the fact that she is not hurting us, she is hurting her daughter. We are at a loss. We truly want Jordan to become a responsible young woman who does not get through life using manipulation tactics constantly. This is the style she has been taught and has mastered it. Has anyone gone through the same situation and if so we would love to hear from you.
God Bless and have a great day.
beccarn@comcast.net
Post by: OverLordd on October 03, 2005, 02:33:00 PM
Here is their teacher info.
Academic Administrator
Academic Coordinator
Registrar
Registrar - CEP
Secretary
Mickey Manning
Larry Ward
Shona Wieting
Vickie Herden
Judy Frank
larry@blueslide.com (http://mailto:larry@blueslide.com)
academics@blueslide.com (http://mailto:academics@blueslide.com)
judysec@blueslide.com
Phone: 406-827-4344
Fax: 406-827-4354
Academics SCLA - 1342 Blue Slide Road - Thompson Falls, MT 59873
Haha, the visiting page is down, so apprently they dont want people visiting.
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Spring Creek Lodge Academy takes the safety of our students and staff very seriously. In addition to state safety inspections by the health and fire departments, SCLA has also created an Emergency Procedure Flipbook, available to all staff and located in every office that includes the following: General Emergency Procedure, Emergency Phone Numbers, Suicide Threat or Attempt, Spilled Body Fluids, Bomb Threat, Explosion, Serious Illness or Injury, Room Clearance, Lock Down, Partial Evacuation, Total Evacuation Procedures, Utilities Management, Earthquake, Fire, and Inclement Weather. In each of these sections, clear, easy to follow directions are written about how each of the emergencies are to be handled.
For some reason this is just fucking funny to me. A fucking flip book? Sweet god almighty come on.
I was looking at their computer lab, it seems out dated... believe me you can just tell. There are a few hints here and there. Look at the screen res, the computer type, and the mice. Thats a dead give away, no one makes mice like that anymore.
Challenge course looks dirty and in ill repare, as compaired to a boy scout one I resently partisipated in.
I dont have much to bitch about the dorms. They look new.
The river front is not a river front, more like a sinking dock with a half eaten staircase leading to it.
In conculsion, A pretty outside, but nothing worth coughing at in the inside.
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 05:05:00 PM
They don't speak one word of truth in their marketing.
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
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On 2005-10-03 14:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OL, it's all bullshit. ALL of it.
They don't speak one word of truth in their marketing. "
Yeah, and those ten thousand photographs of kids having fun? Staged, every one of them. Steven Spielberg, eat your heart out . . .
:roll:
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
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ten thousand photographs
You are telling me you've seen ten thousand different pictures?
At least be somewhat reasonable in your lies, troll!
:lol:
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On 2005-10-03 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quoteten thousand photographs
You are telling me you've seen ten thousand different pictures?
At least be somewhat reasonable in your lies, troll!
:lol: "
I admire your skepticism, but count them. Years and years of photos, perused every day by hundreds of parents.
Post by: OverLordd on October 04, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
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On 2005-10-04 07:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I admire your skepticism, but count them. Years and years of photos, perused every day by hundreds of parents. "
Count them where? You mean the photographs taken of every student who goes through discovery? The pictures they take to send home to your parents to make it seem like things are going just swell? Did you know when they take that picture, it's the only time a student actually gets to go in the forest?
What pictures exactly are you talking about? If you ARE talking about the ones with smiling kids, playing volleyball in their brochures, you are sadly mistaken. Yes, I'm sure there are thousands of portraits which WWASP takes of priosoners and of parents attending seminars. Do you mean those pictures? They sure don't contain happy prisoners as you suggest.
WWASP is a prison camp. To suggest otherwise, means you are ignorant or on the take. Which one is it?
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/2304b619.jpg)
(http://http://photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/ea801e7d.jpg)
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/firm-hold_bycameron.jpg)
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/hobbit_with_kid.jpg)
Yes, all smiles. :roll:
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 03:37:00 PM
Oh, you can't? Of course not. You are a cult with self-referencing websites. I hope you're proud of what type of person you've become. A pseudoabuser who uses money to let the underclass do the dirty work. Very admirable of you all.
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 03:50:00 PM
This is propoganda, to keep the parents from changing their mind. Remember the ~3.5k per child they get per month??? Can't stop the gravy train!
For anyone who believes these pictures mean a ONE fucking thing, I got something to sell you. Really.
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
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On 2005-08-25 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is the actual website for the school. This is the site that parents use to access information, photos, and use this weird forum that is required of them. They talk about their doubts, reservations, fears, etc. and Trolls and programmed parents assure them everything is OK and how Wonderful their child is doing and you have to "work the program," etc.
Getting access to this site would be VERY interesting...
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I got access to the pictures section, but I'm not seeing their forum part. I would like to read their support forum. Any hints?
Post by: Antigen on October 04, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
Nice looking place, right? And right accross the street from the beautiful Ft. Lauderdale beach. Why, it's just like Beach Blanket Bingo! I think you should book a room and then decide how much faith you should invest in advertising photos.
The wretchedness of religion is at once an expression and a protest against real wretchedness. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the feeling of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of unspiritual conditions. It is the opium of the people.
--Karl Marx, German economist and political philosopher
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 04:33:00 PM
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On 2005-10-04 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ACTUALLY there is 3 albums, 968 photos.
This is propoganda, to keep the parents from changing their mind. Remember the ~3.5k per child they get per month??? Can't stop the gravy train!
For anyone who believes these pictures mean a ONE fucking thing, I got something to sell you. Really."
Current number of photos posted : 11,231. That's an awful lot of staging, folks. Do you think it's an acting school?
:roll:
Post by: Troll Control on October 04, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
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On 2005-10-04 13:33:00, Anonymous wrote:Um, no. I don't think it's a school at all.
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On 2005-10-04 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ACTUALLY there is 3 albums, 968 photos.
This is propoganda, to keep the parents from changing their mind. Remember the ~3.5k per child they get per month??? Can't stop the gravy train!
For anyone who believes these pictures mean a ONE fucking thing, I got something to sell you. Really."
Current number of photos posted : 11,231. That's an awful lot of staging, folks. Do you think it's an acting school?
:roll: "
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On 2005-10-04 13:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
Do you think it's an acting school?
Yes! Get a clue for Christ's sake! Never mind method acting, deep investigation or any other hog wash. Duress will make a fine actor out of damned near anybody.
Bigot: One fanatically devoted to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and intolerant of those who differ.
Webster's
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
My point is this: There should be a clear distinction between a disagreement over an educational approach and accusations of abuse. You may well believe those kids are not being well educated, but abused?
There should also be a clear distinction between each school, or program, or whatever you want to call them. The fact is, they're out there because they're needed. Some are doing an awesome job.
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
Umm.... what does 11,000 photos prove? By the way, where are they located?
I can take 11,0000 photos of anything and make it seem better than it is. A picture proves nothing.
Better luck baiting people troll... but not many want to debate cultees.. you see.. they don't reside in our reality. They are the type who try and discount countless survivor stories because someone spent a few years taking pictures to convince parents they aren't getting screwed.
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
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The fact is, they're out there because they're needed
Ha! That's priceless, it really is.
Needed by whom exactly?
Tell us this program supporter: Can you point us to some independent results which show these programs are 'doing an awesome job' as you say?
Your asking us to ask the salesman whether it's a good buy or not. I wouldn't even do this with a car, so why my child?
Please show us the data.
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 01:04:00 PM
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On 2005-10-03 11:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
HI~
MY NAME IS BECCA. I AM 15 YEARS OLD. MY SISTERS NAME IS MELISSA SHE IS 16 IN A HAFE. MY MOM PUT HER IN SPRING CREEK IN JUNE. SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 6 MONTHS NOW. MELISSA WAS ON DANGEROUS DRUGS THAT COULD OF KILLED HER. MY MOM KICKED HER OUT OF HER HOUSE IN APRIL. THEN MELISSA WENT WITH HER FREINDS AND THAT WAS BAD. ALL OF HER FRIENDS WERE ON DRUGS. WE HAD MY SISTER TAKEN AWAY IN HANDCUFFS BECAUSE SHE REFUSE TO GO. IT WAS A HORRIBLE SIGHT FOR ME I CREID SO HARD. IT WAS LIKE A HELPLESS FEELING INSIDE AND I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I AM GETTING THROUGH THIS HARD TIME RIGHT NOW. I STILL THINK ABOUT MELISSA. MY SISTER IS WITH THE DENSITY GROUP.I HOPE ALL OF YOU WHO READS THIS NOWS THAT YOUR NOT ALONE. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!
BECCA K.
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Be careful Becca You might be next. As the program always seeks siblings to bring in.
Post by: Dolphin on October 05, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
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On 2005-10-04 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteThe fact is, they're out there because they're needed
Ha! That's priceless, it really is.
Needed by whom exactly?
Tell us this program supporter: Can you point us to some independent results which show these programs are 'doing an awesome job' as you say?
Your asking us to ask the salesman whether it's a good buy or not. I wouldn't even do this with a car, so why my child?
Please show us the data."
Independent data? Each parent or teen sent their accolades to the Editor of the Source magazine independent of being "told" to do so. They did it because they were asked to rebut the places like this forum and newspaper sensationalism:
http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/accolades.html (http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/accolades.html)
Oh, forgot, you think we're all brainwashed! That's the old standby when you don't have anything more intelligent to say...
KOOL-AID Mum..hehehehehe
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
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On 2005-10-05 14:01:00, Dolphin wrote:
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On 2005-10-04 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteThe fact is, they're out there because they're needed
Ha! That's priceless, it really is.
Needed by whom exactly?
Tell us this program supporter: Can you point us to some independent results which show these programs are 'doing an awesome job' as you say?
Your asking us to ask the salesman whether it's a good buy or not. I wouldn't even do this with a car, so why my child?
Please show us the data."
Independent data? Each parent or teen sent their accolades to the Editor of the Source magazine independent of being "told" to do so. They did it because they were asked to rebut the places like this forum and newspaper sensationalism:
http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/accolades.html (http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com/accolades.html)
Oh, forgot, you think we're all brainwashed! That's the old standby when you don't have anything more intelligent to say...
KOOL-AID Mum..hehehehehe"
So, they did it "independently", because they were asked to? Alright, Dolphine-- you've never been too strong in the logic department, no reason to expect you to start using your brain now.
Writing appreciation letters to the program is one of the homework assignments given to parents at the Focus seminar. They have to do it to complete the seminar. All this show of support is a well orchestrated show. You were stupid enough to fall for it, and now you expect everybody else to do the same? Dream on.
Post by: Antigen on October 05, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
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On 2005-10-05 10:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
Be careful Becca You might be next. As the program always seeks siblings to bring in."
Looks like she's way ahead of ya'. Unfortunately, it won't work, not if Dolphin is the parent in question. I'd seriously advise this young lady to start now fostering strong bonds w/ more stable friends and family members.
If they can get you to ask the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers
--Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (Proverbs for Paranoids)
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On 2005-10-06 19:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your analogy has nothing to do with parents and teens finding peace with the help they received and wanting others to know the few that are making all the noise are in the extreme minority. :wink: PHX"
Good to see you found your tinfoil hat.
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 01:00:00 AM
MY NAME IS RICHARD LIN. IF YOU ARE CURIOUS ENOUGH, YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT I WAS IN THE WESTERN SAMOA PROGRAM, PARADISE COVE, FROM 01/1998 TO 12/1999. I HAVE EXPIERENCED EVERYTHING THESE PROGRAMS CAN DISH OUT AND SOME. AFTER I GRADUATED FROM PARADISE COVE, I WENT DIRECTALLY INTO ANOTHER PROGRAM IN ARIZONA. FOUR YEARS OF MY LIFE WENT BY WITHOUT ME. MY LIFE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK NOW. I HAVE AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH MY MOTHER (I NEVER KNEW MY FATHER), I WENT TO COLLEGE AT ASU, WAS EXTREEMLY INVOLVED AT MY UNIVERSITY AND SERVED AS VP OF MY FRATERNITY. NOW IM 22 AND MOVING ON WITH MY LIFE. MY LIFE WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT ALWAYS AS SMOOTH RUNNING AS IT IS NOW. I WAS A SEVERE DRUG ADDICT FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE PROGRAM (X, COCAINE, HEROIN). I CLEANED MYSELF UP ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, COLD TURKEY. BUT IM NOT WRITING THIS SO YOU CAN BE PROUD OF ME OR TELL ME HOW GREAT I DID, IM WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT AS PARRENTS, YOU MUST FEEL JUSTIFIED IN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. KIDS ARE BAD (FOR A LACK OF A BETTER ADJ.) SOMETIMES DOWN RIGHT MONSTEROUS, BUT... WHAT OCCURS IN THESE PROGRAMS IS SO HORRIBLE THERE ARE NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE IT...ITS LIKE TRYING TO PUT WORDS ON THE FEELING OF BEING HEART BROKEN. BUT THATS NOT THE WORST PART OF IT...YOU ARE NOT ONLY HEARTBROKEN THERE BUT THERE IS A SENCE OF HOPELESSNESS AND THATS JUST ON THE EMOTIONAL SIDE. AT MY PROGRAM ENDLESS PHYSICAL ABUSE WAS DEALT OUT WITH A SECOND THOUGHT. IVE HEARD MANY OF THE ACCUSATIONS MADE BY FORMER STUDENTS AT PARADISE COVE WAVED OFF AS LIES AND NOTHING GETS ME HOTTER. IT IS THE TRUTH!
WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IS THAT THE ONLY REASON TO KEEP YOUR CHILD IN ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS IS TO BUY TIME. YOUR KID WILL EVENTUALLY GROW UP, IF SHE WANTS TO AND NO AMNOUNT OF BARBARIC BEATINGS AND FOOD/SLEEP DEPRIVATION WILL CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY SHOULD. JUST KNOW THAT THE PRICE YOU PAY IN THIS TRADE IS THAT YOU ARE ENABLING THESE PROGRAMS TO CAUSE THIS IRREPAREABLE DAMAGE TO THIER PSYCHE. I WILL ADVISE YOU TO PULL YOU DAUGHTER OUT OF THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT A LAST STEP PROGRAM...THIS IS PUSHING YOU CHILD INTO THE CENTER OF THE MOST CRUEL FORM OF CHILD ABUSE. THESE PROGRAMS ARE WHAT I IMAGINE INTERNMENT CAMPS TO HAVE BEEN LIKE (NOT AMERICAN ONES). THESE PROGRAM DICTATORS ARE MODERN DAY HITLERS THRIVING ON THE POWER OF DESTROYING THE INDIVIDUAL AND TURNING US (THE CHILDREN OF TOMORROW) INTO THE ZOMBIE PRESENT OF SILENT SUFFERING. PARADISE COVE IS THE SHOW ROOM BUCK HEAD ON WHICH I COMPAIR ALL SUFFERING I HAVE ENDURED SINCE. I HAVE A STRONG FEELING IT WILL BE THE STANDARD OF ALL SUFFERING TO COME. CONTACT ME IF YOU LIKE I WOULD LOVE TO CONVERSE WITH YOU ON YOUR IDEALS AND THOUGHTS. MY E-MAIL IS richardslin704@yahoo.com
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2005, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: Antigen on October 30, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
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This post is for louis k. and other parrents that have children in programs like spring creek.
My name is richard lin. If you are curious enough, you can look into it and you will see that i was in the western samoa program, paradise cove, from 01/1998 to 12/1999. I have expierenced everything these programs can dish out and some. After i graduated from paradise cove, i went directally into another program in arizona. Four years of my life went by without me. My life is on the right track now. I have an excellent relationship with my mother (i never knew my father), i went to college at asu, was extreemly involved at my university and served as vp of my fraternity. Now im 22 and moving on with my life. My life was obviously not always as smooth running as it is now. I was a severe drug addict for two years after the program (x, cocaine, heroin). I cleaned myself up about two years ago, cold turkey. But im not writing this so you can be proud of me or tell me how great i did, im want to let you know i know that as parrents, you must feel justified in what you have done. Kids are bad (for a lack of a better adj.) Sometimes down right monsterous, but... what occurs in these programs is so horrible there are no words to describe it...its like trying to put words on the feeling of being heart broken. But thats not the worst part of it...you are not only heartbroken there but there is a sence of hopelessness and thats just on the emotional side. At my program endless physical abuse was dealt out with a second thought. Ive heard many of the accusations made by former students at paradise cove waved off as lies and nothing gets me hotter. It is the truth!
What i have learned is that the only reason to keep your child in one of these programs is to buy time. Your kid will eventually grow up, if she wants to and no amnount of barbaric beatings and food/sleep deprivation will convince them that they should. Just know that the price you pay in this trade is that you are enabling these programs to cause this irrepareable damage to thier psyche. I will advise you to pull you daughter out of this program. This is not a last step program...this is pushing you child into the center of the most cruel form of child abuse. These programs are what i imagine internment camps to have been like (not american ones). These program dictators are modern day hitlers thriving on the power of destroying the individual and turning us (the children of tomorrow) into the zombie present of silent suffering. Paradise cove is the show room buck head on which i compair all suffering i have endured since. I have a strong feeling it will be the standard of all suffering to come. Contact me if you like i would love to converse with you on your ideals and thoughts. My e-mail is richardslin704@yahoo.com
I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet
Post by: kcadams1980 on November 02, 2005, 01:25:00 AM
Anyhow, I bring this up because of all the picture talk. My single ill-fated attempt to tell both of my parents the truth about CCM resulted in them yelling and intimidating me into a corner (sort of like a seminar...). They brought up the fact that, three weeks or so after I was "kidnapped," and sent to Cross Creek, they came to the Manor and "checked it out." They said that they saw me, with my group (B Group) outside laughing and talking with some girls, and this was how they knew that I would be okay. I urge everyone not to fall into the "all or nothing" WWASP-ie trap. Was my time at CCM the most traumatic experience of my life? Yes. Was I abused? Yes. Did I see other girls being dragged, kicking and screaming, down the stairs to ISO? Absolutely. Does that mean that I never once had a smile on my face? No, of course not. I had some real friends at CCM, and there were some times that, for awhile, we had fun and could forget about our situation for a bit...it doesn't make the abuse any less real. I can only speak from my own experience, but I know that girls were physically injured at CCM by staff - I saw it myself. But the psychological abuse that we all endured, over and over and over, is more insidious, I believe. Making a girl walk around with a sign around her neck reading "SLUT" is abusive - what would you say if a child's parents did that??
WWASP supporters live in black in white terms - but reality is often shades of grey. I think that it's really important to point out that any positive experience, no matter how few or how many, negates the validity of abuse. In fact, those few happy times that I felt at CCM are what has made coming to grips with my feelings so damned difficult - you feel guilty for telling the truth, like you're betraying the program.
Anyhow, that's my two cents...