Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-08-03 18:55 ]
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time, and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.
--Thomas Carlyle
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-08-04 09:10 ]
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
All we ask is to be let alone.
-- Jefferson Davis (1808-1889): First Message to the Confederate Congress, March,1861.
On 2005-08-03 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"wilderness is the jump-start to the therapeutic process. much more work is needed after the wilderness program which is why most of the kids (really all) need to go on to a residential school with therapy. It has taken years for these kids and families to get where they are. At least at wilderness they begin to realize their own role in where they are and how their thinking is flawed. This is what Nihil says is brainwashing. The kids aren't being beaten, but it does take drastic measures to move them off of where they have been for many years. "
I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.
--Abraham Lincoln
On 2005-08-03 19:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"they werent brainwashed- some manipulation is part of therapy and so is regression. look how powerful they all were (except Jada) on the other side of the solos. it helped them turn the corner. the therapists did a great job"
On 2005-08-03 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"fake it 'til you make it! :wstupid:The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
-- John Adams, (1772)
On 2005-08-03 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you really are having trouble admitting that Sagewalk is helping some of these kids. any positive outcomes and you howl BRAINWASHED. the problem is that what they are learning is hard to retain if they get back into their old lives. that's why they go to boarding school so they dont slip back"
On 2005-08-03 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"wilderness is the jump-start to the therapeutic process. much more work is needed after the wilderness program which is why most of the kids (really all) need to go on to a residential school with therapy. It has taken years for these kids and families to get where they are. At least at wilderness they begin to realize their own role in where they are and how their thinking is flawed. This is what Nihil says is brainwashing. The kids aren't being beaten, but it does take drastic measures to move them off of where they have been for many years. "
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-08-03 20:39 ]
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart
MEANS DO NOT JUSTIFY ENDS.
I think you meant to say that ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY MEANS (assuming you wanted to shout like that).
On 2005-08-03 20:32:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Just make sure that when you go to the program to check to see if they have a big sign that says,
HARD WORK WILL SET YOU FREE....
god dang who ever said fake it till you make it must have been at one of the places I worked at."
This I believe: That the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: The freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: Any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual.
--John Steinbeck, American novelist
On 2005-08-04 07:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
MEANS DO NOT JUSTIFY ENDS.
It's a pity you weren't brainwashed to read and write.I think you meant to say that ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY MEANS (assuming you wanted to shout like that)."
The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
On 2005-08-03 21:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"THANK YOU ABC!
Here, have a bead. I honor you with this bead.
Give me a break! These clowns are making a fortune off these poor kids and all they can give them is a bead?
What idiots! They are selling wilderness therapy as a precursor to locked boarding schools ... wonder if they get a kickback?
Who owns SAGE WALK?
:flame:
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