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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 17, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
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http://nospank.net/grille-ch14.pdf (http://nospank.net/grille-ch14.pdf)
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Let me say something, as a christian, the differance between a fundamentalist and a main stream I think, is that extream fundamentalist is one that forgot a few important things of the faith, mostly love, grace, and mercy.
"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs
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Since you posted this on the Whitmore forum, I'm going to suppose you meant to relate it to the school, since it is Christian-based. I'll have you know that the form of Christianity it is based upon is LDS, and they believe strongly in families, being kind to children, and never harming them. And they do not take the Bible literally.
If you don't believe me, have a talk with the bishop at your local LDS church. They'll tell you straight up what it's about.
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Im going to take LDS as Later Day Saints. That is the Mormon Chruch, and guess what, Mormons are a cult.
The cultural hunger for a substance that lets you hold affordable conversations with God, watch walls melt, breathe colors, and explore your psyche remains unsated.
--Ryan Grim for Slate, April 1, 2004
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"Cult" defined: formal religious veneration; worship; A system of religious beliefs, ritual. (Webster's)
That defines most religions as well as denominations of Christianity.
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On 2005-06-20 12:11:00, mouse wrote:
"Since you posted this on the Whitmore forum, I'm going to suppose you meant to relate it to the school, since it is Christian-based. I'll have you know that the form of Christianity it is based upon is LDS, and they believe strongly in families, being kind to children, and never harming them. And they do not take the Bible literally.
If you don't believe me, have a talk with the bishop at your local LDS church. They'll tell you straight up what it's about.
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Mormonism teaches that if Mormons are faithful, pay their tithing, obey all the laws and ordinances of the (Mormon) gospel, do their genealogy and go to the temple for secret, sacred rituals for both the living and their dead, they too can become gods and goddesses as "all gods have done before them."
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Many Mormon program owners disregard the law and do what they want under the guise of being obedient to Heavenly Father.
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On 2005-06-20 14:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Many Mormon program owners disregard the law and do what they want under the guise of being obedient to Heavenly Father."
The Mormon people are like those of whom Paul spoke in Romans 10, "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God... is that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal for God, but not according to Knowledge. For they, being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
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On 2005-06-20 12:11:00, mouse wrote:
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If you don't believe me, have a talk with the bishop at your local LDS church. They'll tell you straight up what it's about."
Isn't he called a conductor???.........religion......rather have a man filled with the HOLY SPIRIT (HEART) than a nut with a religious head............bang!!! your dead...in the name of????........all shit,,all lip.......LDS, great cult.....but remember....it's CLAN.......
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On 2005-06-20 14:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Many Mormon program owners disregard the law and do what they want under the guise of being obedient to Heavenly Father."
If they're really LDS, they would follow the laws in their religion, too. And one of those is preventing harm towards children. So, they must be lying about their religion.
Although I'm not a Mormon, I do know what the religion is about, have attended the church services many times, and have friends who are Mormon. Believe me, I found out all I could about it on both sides of the story, and it does have good teachings and a wonderful influence, including behavior towards children. One can see that just by looking at how the members live their lives.
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Utah Child Abuse Cases on the Rise
Saturday is no-hitter day, and we're not talking about baseball, but child abuse. The number of cases continues to grow in Utah.
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MIDVALE-(KSL News) -- The number of cases of child abuse in Utah are on the rise. More than 12,000 cases were reported across the state last year.
"We in the state of Utah, fall in about the middle range of cases of child abuse across the county. In Salt Lake county it self, we had about 5,700 children who were victims of abuse last year.
Salt Lake County Child Abuse Prevention Team Chair Diane Spencer says Utah is one of a few states that records children who witness domestic abuse as abuse victims also.
A free event at Valley Fair Mall on Saturday will address the issue.
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On 2005-06-20 16:10:00, mouse wrote:
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On 2005-06-20 14:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Many Mormon program owners disregard the law and do what they want under the guise of being obedient to Heavenly Father."
If they're really LDS, they would follow the laws in their religion, too. And one of those is preventing harm towards children. So, they must be lying about their religion.
Although I'm not a Mormon, I do know what the religion is about, have attended the church services many times, and have friends who are Mormon. Believe me, I found out all I could about it on both sides of the story, and it does have good teachings and a wonderful influence, including behavior towards children. One can see that just by looking at how the members live their lives."
MOUSE ... Mormons may treat their own kids well but other parent's kids have died at the hands of Mormon owned and run programs since 1990. Each death was 100% PREVENTABLE ... meaning the children did not have to die if someone had been doing their job, or just didn't abuse them in the name of toughlove.
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That does NOT only apply to Mormons.
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This is NOT a religion specific problem. It is an individual program specific situation. Each one is unique according to the directors and guidlines.
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Well, just wonder why this fine church tolerates the Sudweeks, then?
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Churches are accepting and inclusive, in many religions and denominations.
Christ was inclusive and especially accepted those who were ostracized by the general population.
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Joseph Smith was a fraud.
End of Story.
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Christ was real..end/ beginning of story.
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On 2005-06-20 17:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
MIDVALE-(KSL News) -- The number of cases of child abuse in Utah are on the rise. More than 12,000 cases were reported across the state last year.
"We in the state of Utah, fall in about the middle range of cases of child abuse across the county. In Salt Lake county it self, we had about 5,700 children who were victims of abuse last year.
Salt Lake County Child Abuse Prevention Team Chair Diane Spencer says Utah is one of a few states that records children who witness domestic abuse as abuse victims also.
A free event at Valley Fair Mall on Saturday will address the issue.
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73% of the population of Utah is Mormon. That means 73% of the 12,000 children abused in Utah have Mormon parents.
Spousal abuse is also high among Mormans.
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The fact that "Utah is one of a few states that records children who witness domestic abuse as abuse victims also" would certainly make comparisons to other states / religions impossible.
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73% of the population of Utah is Mormon. That means 73% of the 12,000 children abused in Utah have Mormon parents.
Spousal abuse is also high among Mormans.
Now im all for making fun of Mormons, but thats bad satistics, and is not nessasarlly true, the other 27% could be abusing their kids alot more , that could be where the numbers fall. Remember, were talking about a state will millions of people in it 12,000 is a drop in the bucket.First management had plans and then strategic plans. Now we have vision, and we're only one small step from hallucination.
-- Ansley Throckmorton upon assuming the presidency of Bangor Theological Seminary in Bangor, Main per Information World 8-4-`97
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On 2005-06-21 09:20:00, OverLordd wrote:
"73% of the population of Utah is Mormon. That means 73% of the 12,000 children abused in Utah have Mormon parents.
Spousal abuse is also high among Mormans.
Now im all for making fun of Mormons, but thats bad satistics, and is not nessasarlly true, the other 27% could be abusing their kids alot more , that could be where the numbers fall. Remember, were talking about a state will millions of people in it 12,000 is a drop in the bucket.First management had plans and then strategic plans. Now we have vision, and we're only one small step from hallucination.
-- Ansley Throckmorton upon assuming the presidency of Bangor Theological Seminary in Bangor, Main per Information World 8-4-`97
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Those statistics are directly from the Utah Government. There are only 2,351,467 people in Utah. That's not very many, relatively speaking.
12,000 cases of abuse is not a drop in the bucket. One case of child abuse is not a drop in the bucket. And do you really think that the percentage of abuse is higher among the 27%? Probably not.
This is not making fun of Mormons, this is stating facts. Making fun of one's religion serves no purpose. This country was founded on freedom of religion. To disagree with the teachings of the Mormon religion is fine, to make fun of it is unnecessary.
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Those statistics are directly from the Utah Government. There are only 2,351,467 people in Utah. That's not very many, relatively speaking.
12,000 cases of abuse is not a drop in the bucket. One case of child abuse is not a drop in the bucket. And do you really think that the percentage of abuse is higher among the 27%? Probably not.
Oh no no, you misunderstand, im not trying to trivalize anything but when you use statisitcs you can just make sweeping statments like sence 73% of people are mormon, that means that 73% of child abuse accur in mormon homes, that would be like me saying because 27% of people in utah are not mormon, that then they must be protstent. Its just not wise statistics
(the making fun of mormons comment was just to lighten the mood, and make my point more acceptable and seem less chalengeing, please dont get upset with it.)The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
--John Gilmour
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What I am saying is it just makes logical sense that the majority of the abuse is committed by Mormons -- now, that may vary slightly, but I doubt very seriously that it is very much.
Did you also know that there is a very high rate of young mothers in Utah using prescription tranqilizers. A higher than average number of youg girls that marry in Utah are pregnant? Those things are attributed to the belief that these young women are expected to have as many children as they can phyically have. And young girls are expected to marry soon after they turn 18, if not before, so they can start having those children. A lot of pressure, if you ask me, for young women. No wonder they need to be drugged.
These women are expected to breed like animals.
They are second-class citizens to their husbands.
They are supposed to almost bow to the lord and master. Keeps them all under control and prevents them from acting on their own, I guess.
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Just don't think the Mormon Church has anything to do with Cheryl Sudweeks being charged with child abuse!
Why give some church a bad rap when this woman just chooses to do bad acts?
And don't think anyone could say Cheryl Sudweeks is some obedient, abused, helpless little wifey. She seems in total control of that little marriage of hers. It seems to be whimpy Markie Boy who steps in every once in awhile with his "that's enough Cheryl" when she it absolutly out of control
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I don't know how much the Church Proper has to do w/ these issues. But I think you have to take into consideration the obvious religious bias as it involves this issue.
I think Good Mormons® are probably about the same as Good Baptists®. It's not that they approve of the gulags and therapy cults so much as they write off all criticizm to religious bigotry. In a word, they have a hard time believing that the good mormons they may see at services and other events are capable of this kind of sadism and lunacy. So... they simply don't believe it. God is the...refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find no sanctuary in His arms, but...a kind of superiority, soothing to their...egos: He will set them above their betters.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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I think Good Mormons® are probably about the same as Good Baptists®. It's not that they approve of the gulags and therapy cults so much as they write off all criticizm to religious bigotry. In a word, they have a hard time believing that the good mormons they may see at services and other events are capable of this kind of sadism and lunacy. So... they simply don't believe it.
Well as a good southern baptist, I would like to point this out, the baptist church is not a church like the mormons are, they are a grouping of imdependent churchs, think america with the Articals of Confederation, before the consitution. And if you can name a place that is run by the baptist church I would be happy to have the members involved kicked out and then burn the place to the ground. The baptist church, well southern baptist anyway, will not support this grabage.It's our goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves again!!!
RTP2003
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On 2005-06-21 13:36:00, OverLordd wrote:
The baptist church, well southern baptist anyway, will not support this grabage.
Maybe not, but they won't condemn it, either. Just take a look at the Lester Roloff and his followers. Here's a good start for ya'
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mount ... park8.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/mountain_park/mountain_park8.html)Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Here, the Roloff ministry found favorable laws and a convenient location outside Kansas City. Boys and girls occupied unused space at Richards-Gebaur Airport and nearby Calvary Baptist College.
Does that count as support?Being sleepy can impair someone's ability to do thier job. People
can sleep at home and come to the job with sleepiness still in their system. The sleepiness can still be there long after the employee has slept. When someone is found to be sleepy on the job, they can claim that they went to sleep the night before. The only solution to this problem is to ban employees from sleeping.
--Arthur Slabosky
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Its a college, so it may not really be baptist, its like saying yale divinity school, you know? hehe, but I really dont know much about it so I cant comment.
Cult: A religion with no political power.
--Tom Wolfe, American author