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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
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can any one tell me something about the pillars of hope program.... and also if you ever had a life contract, and dont want to live it but your not 18, and you dont want to get sent back....what do you do..
be serious.
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Here's about all we've got on POH
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 1&forum=44 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=U&topic=9611&forum=44)
You should probably google "pillars of hope" along w/ a couple other individual and organization names to learn more.
How to get out of the life contract w/o getting shipped off again? It might be pretty trickey. Do you have relatives or other adults in your like (teachers, coaches, clergy, for example) who you can talk to about it in confidence? You may just have to put up w/ it till you come of age. But your best bet is probably to try and get some trusted adults to understand your dilemma and see if they can either talk some sense into your parents or protect you from them.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
"Isn't your pants' zipper supposed to be in the front?"
--Hobbs to Calvin
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On 2005-06-14 12:17:00, Antigen wrote:
"Here's about all we've got on POH
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 1&forum=44 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=U&topic=9611&forum=44)
You should probably google "pillars of hope" along w/ a couple other individual and organization names to learn more.
How to get out of the life contract w/o getting shipped off again? It might be pretty trickey. Do you have relatives or other adults in your like (teachers, coaches, clergy, for example) who you can talk to about it in confidence? You may just have to put up w/ it till you come of age. But your best bet is probably to try and get some trusted adults to understand your dilemma and see if they can either talk some sense into your parents or protect you from them.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
"Isn't your pants' zipper supposed to be in the front?"
--Hobbs to Calvin
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well livin with my dad aint an option since hes
" non working" but i wanna move out like now and live with my friend..
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Well, quite frankly, if your mom is that much of a zealot you'll probably have to arrange some sort of legal protection for yourself. And that's bound to be messy, ugly and hurtful. But, like any bitter medicine, you just have to weight the risks against the benefits. Nobody wants to bring trouble down on their own family. But I know what it's like living in fear of getting sent off and actually getting sent off.
What do your grandparents, aunts and uncles, older kin, teachers and neighbors think? You need to find allies who will help you in this. The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people equally in war and peace. And covers with the shield of it's protection all classes of men at all times and under all circumstances.
--US Supreme Court, Ex Parte Milligan
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ahh... my whole family is program wacked on my moms side... my dad is the only sane person... i hate livin in fear of getting sent back.. not becuz of n e abuse cuz that never happened while i was there...that i saw or heard of, but because theres no reality in there
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On 2005-06-14 15:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ahh... my whole family is program wacked on my moms side... my dad is the only sane person... i hate livin in fear of getting sent back.. not becuz of n e abuse cuz that never happened while i was there...that i saw or heard of, but because theres no reality in there"
You had plenty of opportunity to write your life contract and agree on it, right? Are you blaming your life contract not working on your parents? Sounds like you want to chuk it completely. Anything wrong with some modifications that aren't "back doors?"
Did you agree to your parents manipulating your contract just so you could come home? Is that working for you? The contract is meant to help with clarity, not run your life.
Like Antigen said, find some relatives that will enable you...oops, I mean help you.
PHX
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On 2005-06-14 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 15:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ahh... my whole family is program wacked on my moms side... my dad is the only sane person... i hate livin in fear of getting sent back.. not becuz of n e abuse cuz that never happened while i was there...that i saw or heard of, but because theres no reality in there"
You had plenty of opportunity to write your life contract and agree on it, right? Are you blaming your life contract not working on your parents? Sounds like you want to chuk it completely. Anything wrong with some modifications that aren't "back doors?"
Did you agree to your parents manipulating your contract just so you could come home? Is that working for you? The contract is meant to help with clarity, not run your life.
Like Antigen said, find some relatives that will enable you...oops, I mean help you.
PHX
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This kids needs help getting away from people like you, PHX. People who choose the WWASP cult over their own children. People will willingly pay others to abuse children, and then hide behind a self-righteous "but we were helping them!" mask. You are pathetic. Grow a brain.
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On 2005-06-14 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 15:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ahh... my whole family is program wacked on my moms side... my dad is the only sane person... i hate livin in fear of getting sent back.. not becuz of n e abuse cuz that never happened while i was there...that i saw or heard of, but because theres no reality in there"
You had plenty of opportunity to write your life contract and agree on it, right? Are you blaming your life contract not working on your parents? Sounds like you want to chuk it completely. Anything wrong with some modifications that aren't "back doors?"
Did you agree to your parents manipulating your contract just so you could come home? Is that working for you? The contract is meant to help with clarity, not run your life.
Like Antigen said, find some relatives that will enable you...oops, I mean help you.
PHX
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Spoken Like a Good Lil Nazi...Im proud.
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no need for the nazi signs... know there is no rearranging my life contract... whats been written has been written. everyone wirtes it so they can go home. no one really wants to do any of whats in it. all im saying is it ok for now... i mean yeah i did write it and hell its actually a pretty good one. not strict at all, i just hate living under my moms roof
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no need for the nazi signs... know there is no rearranging my life contract... whats been written has been written. everyone wirtes it so they can go home. no one really wants to do any of whats in it. all im saying is it ok for now... i mean yeah i did write it and hell its actually a pretty good one. not strict at all, i just hate living under my moms roof
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So are you working on an Independence Plan? BTW, your life contract CAN be changed. If you believe it's set in stone, then you were mis- informed.
If you don't want to live at home, get a plan together to make it work for you. What will it take to do that? You graduated, that's a BIG thing. If you don't have a clue, ask your mom to get one of the Coaches there to help in making it a successful move.
PHX
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do u go to a program? just wanted to know. i know all that allready. no family coaches i hate therapist and junk like that... i think they are the brainwashers not the programs. im not of age to move out, though i will be shortly.. its like its too difficult. could i be sent to jail if i moved out and lived with a friend?
For myself, I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist
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On 2005-06-15 10:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So are you working on an Independence Plan? BTW, your life contract CAN be changed. If you believe it's set in stone, then you were mis- informed.
If you don't want to live at home, get a plan together to make it work for you. What will it take to do that? You graduated, that's a BIG thing. If you don't have a clue, ask your mom to get one of the Coaches there to help in making it a successful move.
PHX
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This kid needs help getting AWAY from program sickos like you. You, of course, suggest he'll invite even more of them into his life.
Graduation is a big thing, indeed. It marks the kid's entrance into the cult and his/her loyalty to the Holy Program. It's a big thing. But it's not a good or positive thing as you implied. On the contrary.
To the original poster: it looks like you'll have to suffer until you'll be able to move away. Stay strong. Things do get better. You'll get away from this cult eventually.
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i dont freakin care about the damn cult... i never and will never think thats what it is... im more conserned about my sanity living at home. being in the program, the only thing i ever feared was going home to live with my mom. because i knew it would be like it was before csa. hell. no program life was not better, in some ways maybe, but not all. i enjoy reality and socialness. but i dont give a fuck about this damn cult thing everone talks about.
can u see my frustration>The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. ... and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
-- St. George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court 1803
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Obviously you must have had family problems before you left home, correct? Of course WWASP didn't help, you've been gone the entire time. If anything things will be more difficult at home now, as you begin to readjust to normal living. Your not exactly saying what the problem is?
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im a control freak... i hate when my mom tells me what to do as do all kids... but it goes beyond that.. i left to go to csa when i was 14 im almost `18 now and i just got out...she still treats me like im 14. my boyfriend lives in texas, and hes still at that school, there not letting him graduate in august, because of points, but hell be 18 so maybe they will. his mom and i are getting fed up with it and want him home. my best frend just graduated today, we want to live together.. so were waiting it out till we can get the hell up out of ours homes and move in probly with my dad cuz hes str8.
also... i dont know n e one... remember i have to A friends. so its like damn,,, nobdoy meets up to an A friend standard. so i have no body to talk toEducation is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
--Edward Everett
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pretty pathetic huh?
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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No not at all. When I left I had no friends. I had to learn to not talk about it either, because I'd get so pissed, and it would sound so weird to people who never have been through it. You have to keep in mind, your teenage years have been spent in a VERY different way than most of your peers. You will have a very different perspective than most people you meet, I can assure you of that.
The more time you spend outside the program the easier it will get. I suggest trying to put up with your mom until you are 18, but don't ever let her send you back. Once you turn 18 I would get a job and either go to community college or university and move out. Getting away from my family was the best thing I ever did, and suddenly my life seemed more normal. I didn't realize that was the issue until after I was gone.
One more thing: I'd be cautious of being friends only with graduates, and starting a serious relationship with someone you met in the program. Youve been restricted to knowing only a handful of people for a very long time... once you feel comfortable I'd start cultivating new friendships, and romances with people that are from outside hte program.
Anyways, this is only my 2 cents. Ive been out of the program for 4 years now. [took my exit plan] good luck
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thanks!!! its helps though, you kinda sound like my family rep... dont like ppl in the program... to late. i do and im stubborn so until something happens to where we cant see eachtother...then were gonna be together... whatever though i appreciated ur help
It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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thanks!!! its helps though, you kinda sound like my family rep... dont like ppl in the program... to late. i do and im stubborn so until something happens to where we cant see eachtother...then were gonna be together... whatever though i appreciated ur help
Its cool, remember, were here for you, because if we dont stick together, if we let our misery consume us, they win, and the last thing we want is for them to win.Freedom has a thousand charms to show, That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
William Cowper, a British Christian poet & hymn writer (18th century)