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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: **PIXIE DUST** on August 24, 2004, 09:43:00 AM
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for boulder creek academy (where i went) it was $5950.00 a month.
my parents wasted over a million dollars when you include all the school trips and doctors trips. i mean honestly, what were they thinking??? $5950.00 a month on a school????? :eek:
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
--Julius Caesar
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Well Pixi, I would not call it a wast if it worked out like it did for my brother. Maybe it was for you but not for everyone.
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yes, ottawa, it was a waste for everyone. Give your brother 10 years or so to think back on his experiences...talk to him when he is in 30's or older and I'm sure you will get a different perspective on his time at a behavior modification program.
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ok, ottawa, did you have to go through what we went through at the cedu schools???? (you said that it was your brother that went there and since when have you had the right comment on something that you have no clue about?????) and until you do spend 2 1/2 years there, then you can tell me what you think about the place and your parents sending you to a hell hole in bum fuck noth idaho, and then feel free to tell me if you still see it as not being a waste of $!!!!!!
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
--Edmund Burke
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Let me tell you what I do know. I know that before CEDU my brother was a druggie. I know that before CEDU my brother was failing highschool. I know that Before CEDU my brother would leave and we would not know were he was or if he was even alive.
I know that after CEDU my brother liked spending time with the family, no longer uses drugs, and is in college to be a dentist.
Sorry it did not work for you that sucks. But guess what? It did work for a lot of people and it was worth it to them.
That is what I know.
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like i said let me fuckin know what you think about it when you spend 2 1/2 years there, and get yelled at for not having your shirt tucked in, or for no having your hair up, or for not making your fuckin bed right, or for not doing your dorm jobs right!! and don't you dare fuckin say that that place worked for "a lot of ppl" because if it did, we wouldn't have this web sight up. got it!?!?!?
Every man has a property in his own person.
This nobody has any right to but himself.
The labor of his body and the work of his
hands are properly his.
--John Locke
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dude, you really need to get off this sight, i read the other post and you're full of shit. so unless you can bring somthing to this web sight, don't come back.
Those who control the past, control the future; and those who control the present, control the past.
--George Orwell
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soooo - unless you are totally p.o'd you shouldn't be on this web site -- fucking angry is the only thing tha's ok -- yea right -- thr factory is open again, so i'm back at work this week and so i'm done checn in on this bummer of a scene -- i've got other things to do that will get me something -- $$$$ & fun & good times w/my buddies -- and this damn place ain't it
like i said before -- hang around in all that bitchn and frustration about all this old cedu shit if you want, but i'm out of there and i'm putting my past behind me (pumba) and movn on to the stuff ahead
rcktman, NC
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Why should I get off. ARe the people at this web site so insecuer about one or two people dissagreing with them that they feak at like you do Pixi?
I guess you just feel ok if you sit around with people that already agree with you and reconfirm each others values.
Well I have to go now Hope to here from you soon! :wave:
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Ok, so $5950.00 per month * 12 months * number of students should give us a rough net sum of what the place takes in.
Now, how many staff and what are they paid (not very much, I'm told) So where does all the rest go? Hell, for a million dollars, a family could take a year off and go tour Europe or something. This would also take the kid out of contact w/ troubling influences, expose them to different cultures and new ideas but w/o all the mind fuck and abuse.
So, what is it, Ottowa, that you think goes on at Charles E. Dederich University that you can't do on your own?A free people ought...to be armed...
George Washington, 1790
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i don't know where all the rest of the money goes, but i do believe that they should be putting it in to important things such as better food, or better dorm space. <- and they promised us that we would get it, but it never happened. so to answer the question, i don't know where the $ goes
But this is far from demonstrating that the authorities must interpose to suppress these vices by commercial prohibitions, nor is it by any means evident that such intervention on the part of the government is really capable of suppressing them or that, even if this end could be attained, it might not therewith open up a Pandora's box of other dangers, no less mischievous than alcoholism and morphinism.
Ludwig Von Mises
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Do you think the Program would 'work' if the food were good and housing comfortable?
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism--how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein
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i would have made it a bit more bareable, but no
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do your math cutter!!! 5959 a month does not add up to a million
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I haven't looked at the old records in a while, but I vaguely recall a sum of $3000.00 a month back in 1984. Plus (and Bill can be 100% more accurate than me with the figures) every, single, thing I came in contact with was billed. My parents paid for a tent, a backpack, a bike, skis (funny, didn't get to take those things home after graduation, dontchaknow), food, clothing, "school supplies", etc etc etc. I estimate between 90 & 100 thousand dollars was paid out by my parents between 1984 & 1986. There was supposedly a sliding scale, to allow poor families a chance, (and to milk rich families?) so for the 110 kids, That adds up to -very- roughly Eleven Million dollars taken in for the 2 years I was there. That's -just- for RMA. I didn't factor in CEDU as they were supposedly more expensive
The popular rumor in RMA was that Mel Wasserman owned three palatial homes. Two in Connecticut (I live there, VERY expensive state) and one in Florida.
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So your parents paid like $6000 a month to send you to CEDU? I'm not saying thats cheap, but consider this. I was at a Brown Schools RTC program in San Antonio and that was $530 a night. So thats about $13,500 a month x 24 months = about $367,000. Cedu was cheap compared to that :smile: I can, however, say that it was money well spent. It sounds like a lot of people had bad experiences at CEDU, which is really unfortunate, cause you were there to get help. My problems were a little more severe, and thankfully I had a ton of great staff there supporting me and helping me through.
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On 2005-09-28 08:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So your parents paid like $6000 a month to send you to CEDU? I'm not saying thats cheap, but consider this. I was at a Brown Schools RTC program in San Antonio and that was $530 a night. So thats about $13,500 a month x 24 months = about $367,000..."
Any chance this was a "hospital" or other type of facility that Brown could bill the insurance companies?
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wow...you guys got screwed...in 85-86 it was 2-3000 a month...but then again...RMA probably had lower expenses then as we were the slave labor that built the uncomfortable dorms for the later students to suffer in.
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First of all, I went to CEDU. So I feel as though I have some authority on this matter, as does anyone who went to school there.
It wasn't prison. No matter how much it felt like it, it wasn't prison. There were no bars. No gates, no guards, no guns. While it might have been an "Emotional" prison, it was not a phsyical prison. The place did have some redeeming qualities and while everyone didn't like the time they spent there, I'm sure some people actually did. To be perfectly honest, I do have some good memories of Idaho. It's hard for me to admit, but I do have a few.
While the methods used were not the absolute best, they were acceptable. I realize that some people felt belittled and betrayed, and rightfully so, but CEDU for others was not such a terrible place. I know some people who would probably be dead now if it wern't for CEDU. Then again, there are people I know from CEDU who are dead now. So to say it was hell on earth might be true for some, it's not true for all. I can say that with authority because it wasn't hell on earth for me. I can only speak for myself and I do not mean to take away from the opinions of those who feel differently.
By all means, be pissed. You have good reason to be. Hell, I'm pissed, but I don't allow that anger to penetrate my life now. CEDU is long gone for me.
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Ottawa,
You might think that your brother is in college to be a dentist, but the truth is, he suckin some dick for some crack right now...and I agree with Pixi..u dont know what the fuck we've been thru so shut the fuck up
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Well I do know what the fuck we've been through and I can still say that CEDU had some redeeming qualities. So Ottawa sees things the only way he/she can: Through the eyes of a third party. Who are you to discount their opinion? So they didn't go to CEDU. But that doesn't take away from the value of their opinion. I mean come on, they see CEDU as a good thing in their family's life, and maybe it was. You don't know the reality of the situation and neither do I. But for you to try to discount their opinion isn't right. And if you want to look at it in a very cynical way, you're being just like CEDU. Trying to push your views onto others who are unwilling to accept them. But that's a bit of a stretch.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not advocating what happened there. I'm just saying that maybe there is another side to the story.
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There is another side of the story? You mean any good memories justify the fact that the staff were severely under accredited,practiced experimental, abusive therapy, distorted our stories, isolated us from reality, manipulated or flat out lied to our parents, ignored viable medical conditions,fronted fraudulent academics, did not deal with core issues effectively, trained people to spy, bully, and coerce as "healthy" relational boundaries, badgered us to the extent that we had to change our histories to fit their model (do you know how many kids were fucking badgered to death to admit drug/sex/eating bulimia histories that did not exist?), adopted profane,scream jousts as a method of interacting with others, and forced us to live with the insecurity of having staff members who told us of their horrific criminal/sexual/deviant histories and we are supposed to feel SAFE given some of our own traumatic experiences?!!
WHAT THE FUCK? This isn't about pissing and moaning-- this is plain immoral and I can't possibly fathom why good hiking trips with your peers makes up for that. CEDU was just another place where I learned that I should overlook bullshit in order to survive the system and that is fallacious thinking.
I am a teacher now and yes, it is a moral imperative that I steer parents AWAY from shitholes like this. Imagine my surprise when I came to Fornits and found that unfortunately, Cedu type places and worse are proliferate in our country.
And contrary to what many assholes think--that these "troubled" kids deserved to be fucked with, you've gotta be freaking kidding me. This school wasn't about tough love or natural consequences, it was about fraudulence and abuse. Verbal and psychological abuse are far more insidious in many ways than just having someone deck you good.
This also isn't about whining because your life sucks. Life is messy. I'm not some slut/druggie/loser complaining because CEDU sucked many years ago. (Although it absolutely affected me.) I'm just a Mom/ teacher/grad student who makes mistakes, has successes, and learns a lot just like everyone else. I have a great relationship with my family that we all earned from hard work, love, acceptance, and perseverence.
But this doesn't mean it's okay for me to have an apathetic attitude toward the next wave of inductees to any one of these programs.
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Oh Shanlea, quit your whining. You're a disgrace to the Northeast.
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Whiny? What an original insult. The same tag applied to anyone who can actually substantiate their end of the argument.
Ottawa never could tell us why CEDU was the best thing since sliced bread. But hell, if she thinks rampant abuse and inefficacy on every level, along with the ability to recite every lyric to a Neil Diamond song made her son a success, God Bless her. --shanlea
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I agree, quit your whining.
There is proof that there is another side to the story: My opinion serves as that proof. You feel as though there were many more negative aspects to CEDU than positive, and I agree with you. But what you fail to do is to give those positive aspects credit. Yes, the staff were all of the things you said: Under accreditied, isolationists, etc. But I think that while the negative outweighed the positive, I disagree with you to the extent of that ratio. You can't seem to think of one positive thing to ever have come from CEDU, yet there are at least two people, myself and Ottawa, telling you that positive memories do exist.
Another point that you keep harking on is the significance of kids needing "Tough Love." While you might think '...having someone deck you good' would have been a better solution than going to CEDU consider this: You're a 14 year old kid whose been riddiculed by his peers and family for as long as he can remember (this was my situation, by the way). The absolute last thing you would have needed would have been to be decked by someone. People say that all these kids needed was a swift kick in the ass, well that's bullshit. If I would have gotten my ass kicked, it would have made the situation worse rather than better.
While CEDU was all the things you mentioned, it also was something you didn't mention. And until you can realize that, your ranting and raving has no bearing.
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The swift kick in the ass comment was said in sarcasm. I was simply implying that verbal/psych abuse is harmful because there are no marks to point to... thus, you have to go further to prove/disprove mistreatment. Second, I did not invalidate good memories. I'm saying good memories don't justify lack of ethics/therapeutic abuse. That's all. I have great memories of the Wilderness trip and I even liked the manual labor, in spite of the fact it is often referred to as slave labor by others. But good memories don't justify the mindfucking at your family's expense.
And, as far as Ottawa is concerned, she never gave any credit to those opposed to harmful TBSs in spite of the preponderance of evidence and examples given to illustrate our concerns. I found this troubling especially since she aimed to open her own school, and the examples cited were so extreme you would have to accuse us of lying to overlook them. This wasn't a case of "let's whine about being yelled at, boo fucking hoo."
Besides, good memories are not commensurate with benefits of the school, which I asked for. When I first came to this site, I had a sincere desire to learn the specific tools that were beneficial to students, mainly because I always try to see each perspective and wanted to counterbalance my own biases. However, I've since realized, especially since becoming a teacher and seeing a lot of children being grossly underserved, that sometimes the pursuit of fair and balanced thinking leads you to accept the unacceptable in an effort to be impartial. There are times in life when you have to stop being impartial and start taking a stand.
I don't want to be impartial when it comes to the lives of minors.
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As far as tough love is concerned, I don't mean the national program. I mean sometimes the best course of action for kids is to face the natural consequences of their choices. Too many parents at CEDU covered up or enabled serious issues, even crimes until the kids spiralled out of control. If my kid is caught stealing, I'm not bailing him out. If my kid drinks and drive, he'll have to deal with the consequences, etc. I'll still love and support my kid, but I won't protect him from facing the ramifications of their actions. So when I use the phrase tough love I mean unconditionally loving them, but making them clean up their own messes. --S
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On 2006-01-11 06:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"While CEDU was all the things you mentioned, it also was something you didn't mention. And until you can realize that, your ranting and raving has no bearing. "
The funny thing is, YOU didn't mention it either.
You keep insisting cedu was a positive and beneficial experience, but like Ottawa, you can't identify one specific aspect of Cedu's program that makes it so. Your argument is about as effective as a gun is with no bullets: incomplete,and it will never get the job done.
As for me, I don't have a single positive memory about cedu, and unlike Ottawa, I was actually there. I'm not going to positive mention memories that never existed for me, and no one else has to either.
Our experiences, however we remember them, all have bearing. Most of us remember Cedu negatively, and this supports the fact that the negligent and abusive aspects of Cedu's program overwhelmingly outweigh any potential benefits.
Maybe you really do feel that you got something out of cedu, but that does not, and never will, justify the suffering & abuse that the rest of us endured.
Like Ottawa, you seem to suffer from some false sense superiority, like you believe that: because you identify with the program, this makes you better than the rest of us. Well I'm here to tell you that you and Ottawa that you can both take your condescending attitudes and shove them straight up your pompous asses.
My experience is as valid as yours.
Ya ask me, I'd say that both you and Ottawa are totally fucked in the head!
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The funny thing is, YOU didn't mention it either.
You keep insisting cedu was a positive and beneficial experience, but like Ottawa, you can't identify one specific aspect of Cedu's program that makes it so. Your argument is about as effective as a gun is with no bullets: incomplete,and it will never get the job done.
As for me, I don't have a single positive memory about cedu, and unlike Ottawa, I was actually there. I'm not going to mention positive memories that never existed for me, and no one else has to either.
Our experiences, however we remember them, all have bearing. Most of us remember Cedu negatively, and this supports the fact that the negligent and abusive aspects of Cedu's program overwhelmingly outweigh any potential benefits.
Maybe you really do feel that you got something out of cedu, but that does not, and never will, justify the suffering & abuse that the rest of us endured.
Like Ottawa, you seem to suffer from some false sense superiority, like you believe that: because you identify with the program, this makes you better than the rest of us. Well I'm here to tell you that you and Ottawa can both take your condescending attitudes and shove them straight up your pompous asses. My experience is as valid as yours.
Ya ask me, I'd say that both you and Ottawa are totally fucked in the head!
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Let's see here, one aspect that makes CEDU positive: The fact that I see it as having some positive qualities. What, do you want me to list my positive memories? Would that make my arguement more persuasive?
And I was there, unlike Ottawa. So I'm making the statement that CEDU had some positive redeeming qualities. You see it differently, and that's fine. In fact, your opinion and mine are pretty similar EXCEPT that I have a few positive memories. Not that the positive outweigh the negative, on the contrary.
I'm not trying to persuade anyone that CEDU was the end to everyone's problems.
And I don't suffer from some false sense of superiority. I'm just telling it how I see it. It just so happens that a lot of other people probably see it my way too. You don't have any positive memories, and I do.
Everyone tried to discredit Ottawa because she didn't go to CEDU. Well I did, and I'm backing her up! CEDU wasn't a prison. It might have been hell, but it wasn't a prison.
I'm not trying to be condecending to anyone. Really, I'm not. All I'm saying is that CEDU did have some positive redeeming qualities. Shit, ask parents of kids who are doing well now. Maybe they aren't doing well now on account of CEDU, but who knows what would have happened if they didn't go to CEDU.
Want a personal example: Go ask MY parents. They'll tell you CEDU wasn't perfect, but they'll also tell you that it worked wonders for me. I happen to disagree with them on the amount of "Wonder" it worked, but I do agree with them that it did work.
If you think I'm "...fucked in the head..." because I tried to make the best of a bad situation, well then fuck you.
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I think the problem here is everyone wants to be validated for their experiences. We all have an opinion and experiences of that place and we are all right, at least in our own minds.
Cedu was a good experience and worked for some and for others it was terrible and made thier life worst.
If it worked for you great - your lucky. If it didn't that really sucks and I'm right there with ya all.
I personally think that if you beat a dog down enough it will cower in the corner and eventually do what you tell it to do - so it won't be subject to further abuse. Then the dog will still follow you around because you feed it and if it does what you want it to do, it thinks that it won't be abused anymore and somewhere in there the dog finds a warped but loving bond. A disturbing conditional love that isn't really love but a need for love and the dog takes what he can get, after all its all the dog ever knew. <<< by the way I would never do that to any living soul. Its just mean and not a good way of life. But an simply an example.
By the way I personally viewed CEDU as a prison. Prisoners had more rights that I did when I was there. I would have loved to had solitary confinment and be lefted alone, recieved letters from all family AND friends, not have anyone confortationally yell at me, not having to do any manual labor, or be able to watch tv or go to the internet and find out what was going on in the outside and even get an actual educational degree there believe that or not but you actually can, so I have heard. Sure being in prison would have bad times but a least you knew why you were there - you committed an actual crime - an entire jury also thought that was bad and you had to pay the price. I didn't do anything to get thrown into cedu but my experience was worst then prison and I still have side effects and problems now because of cedu.
That's my personal opinion, go ahead attack that because that is the pro-cedu way. Oh by the way if you didn't comply that cedu was good while you were there, you did get punished. But now we are all out and we can really think what our true thoughts and feelings are now. We did our time and now it's okay to free your mind of that place. It is okay to hate something that you personally didn't approve of and felt abused and just completely invaded by, after all people are entitled to thier own feelings.
And if Cedu helped you out of a worst situation then great for you. If you had fond memories and it was a postive experience than that's great, I just wish I felt elated by the experience - it just might have made life a little better.
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What redeeming qualities? If they practiced unethical, experimental "therapy", abusive and isolationist tactics, fraudulent academics, untrained fucked up staff, then why would you send your kid there? Good friendships, a few sincerely caring staff and a few good memories don't justify the bullshit.
Just because you left CEDU and didn't royally fuck yourself, it doesn't necessarily mean that place employed sound practices. Maybe you simply grew up. Maybe they cowed you into compliance. Maybe you were never really fucked up to begin with.
The list of grievances are corroborated, specific and long. I'm not talking about an attitude of "CEDU sucks because I can't screw, smoke, or slag off" but completely COMPLETELY unethical practices. Out and out misrepresentation of therapy, academics, and accreditation, along with isolation, coersion, and heavy handed manipulation, as well as rampant, persistent verbal/psychological abuse.
So what SPECIFIC tools/therapeutic technique merits trusting your child to that place? Just call it what it is. A GROUP home that allows you to subsist at elementary academic level and promotes heavy doses of screaming and accusing as therapy, along with mind bending, highly contrived experentials where you better fucking go by the script already written.
Again, I am NOT attacking good hikes, good friends, a few good staff (who were fucking raked over), and the Neil Diamond weekend marathon.
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arguing with yourself... thats sad dude
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On 2006-01-11 20:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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By the way I personally viewed CEDU as a prison. Prisoners had more rights that I did when I was there. I would have loved to had solitary confinment and be lefted alone, recieved letters from all family AND friends, not have anyone confortationally yell at me, not having to do any manual labor, or be able to watch tv or go to the internet and find out what was going on in the outside and even get an actual educational degree there believe that or not but you actually can, so I have heard. Sure being in prison would have bad times but a least you knew why you were there - you committed an actual crime - an entire jury also thought that was bad and you had to pay the price."
I have to think that is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Would you rather have gone to prison than CEDU? Have you ever been to prison? It's not a good place. CEDU is like fucking heaven compared to prison. So don't go lecturing me about how prison is SOOOOOO much better than CEDU, you fucking dumbass.
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No, he probably would prefer prison. It's more socially acceptable there to get fucked in the ass. Enjoy!
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whatever that means.
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Obviously you're a bit slow.
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CEDU was no prison. Quit your fucking whining! "ooohhhh Mommy, the staff yell at me. They tell me that snorting cocaine at my age is a bad thing. Please take me home so I can keep fucking random boys and die from AIDS."
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On 2006-01-12 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CEDU was no prison. Quit your fucking whining! "ooohhhh Mommy, the staff yell at me. They tell me that snorting cocaine at my age is a bad thing. Please take me home so I can keep fucking random boys and die from AIDS." "
I'm not the one who compared CEDU to prison, but fuck you for continuing to treat CEDU's abuses and inefficacies as a mere case of whining. God I hope you have no children.
What an ass you are! Do you know how many people had very traumatic experiences at CEDU and were not Sluts on Drugs. Maybe their parents were spoiled assholes who hired CEDU to do the job they couldn't do, only to pay hand over fist to a very fucked up babysitter. But even if every child at CEDU were coked out of their minds, it DOES NOT excuse psychological abuse. There is a difference between CEDU and firmness, accountability, support without enabling, and building self esteem to make better choices. CEDU offers none of the latter.
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B-O-O- H-O-O. Fuck you. Get over it. Maybe you didn't like CEDU because you had your head up your ass. Me, I kind of enjoyed my time in Idaho. I have more fond memories than shitty ones. Let's see here: Camping trips at least three times a year, skiing 4,5,6, times a winter, snowboarding trips, a kyaking trip, a trip to Yellowstone, a trip to D.C., more trips to Spokane than I can count, and probably more shit that I'm leaving out. I wasn't a dumbass at CEDU. I followed the rules and didn't get fucked with very much. I behaved and slipped through the cracks. I was the fucking poster child for christ's sake. I happen to think that CEDU only fucked with the kids who needed to be fucked with. It was just a boarding school with group therapy. So shut the fuck up already. You and everyone else who can't quit complaining about CEDU years after the fact.
And CEDU's abuses and inefficancies went only as far as they needed to. Hey guess what? CEDU is back!
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Oh wait, I rememberd a few trips: A shakespere festival in Oregon, a trip to Denver, a whitewater rafting trip down the Colorado River at the Grand Canyon, a fly fishing trip, a palentology trip in the Badlands of Montana. Shit the list goes on and on. Maybe you had the wrong approach?
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On 2006-01-12 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-12 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CEDU was no prison. Quit your fucking whining! "ooohhhh Mommy, the staff yell at me. They tell me that snorting cocaine at my age is a bad thing. Please take me home so I can keep fucking random boys and die from AIDS." "
I'm not the one who compared CEDU to prison, but fuck you for continuing to treat CEDU's abuses and inefficacies as a mere case of whining. God I hope you have no children.
What an ass you are! Do you know how many people had very traumatic experiences at CEDU and were not Sluts on Drugs. Maybe their parents were spoiled assholes who hired CEDU to do the job they couldn't do, only to pay hand over fist to a very fucked up babysitter. But even if every child at CEDU were coked out of their minds, it DOES NOT excuse psychological abuse. There is a difference between CEDU and firmness, accountability, support without enabling, and building self esteem to make better choices. CEDU offers none of the latter. "
Or maybe you were a coked up little slut and definitely needed to be sent to CEDU. That gets my vote. Yeah, your parents had to hire someone to do the job they couldn't do. So fuck the parents. But fuck you too for being a little shit and thinking that it's ok to be out snorting coke off some guy's dick in a basement somewhere. Believe me, if I have a kid who turns out like that, his ass is getting shipped off in a heartbeat. Because he/she'll deserve it, JUST LIKE YOU DID.
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On 2006-01-12 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"B-O-O- H-O-O. Fuck you. Get over it. Maybe you didn't like CEDU because you had your head up your ass. Me, I kind of enjoyed my time in Idaho. I have more fond memories than shitty ones. Let's see here: Camping trips at least three times a year, skiing 4,5,6, times a winter, snowboarding trips, a kyaking trip, a trip to Yellowstone, a trip to D.C., more trips to Spokane than I can count, and probably more shit that I'm leaving out. I wasn't a dumbass at CEDU. I followed the rules and didn't get fucked with very much. I behaved and slipped through the cracks. I was the fucking poster child for christ's sake. I happen to think that CEDU only fucked with the kids who needed to be fucked with. It was just a boarding school with group therapy. So shut the fuck up already. You and everyone else who can't quit complaining about CEDU years after the fact.
And CEDU's abuses and inefficancies went only as far as they needed to. Hey guess what? CEDU is back! "
So I just ripped on the person you were responding to, but then I read your post, and I think I want you to be ripped on as well (once again proving that CEDU is not black and white - it's one big grey area). You had a good time at CEDU because you got to go camping 3 times a year? Or snowboarding 5 times a winter? OR TO SPOKANE AS MUCH AS YOU WANTED?? Dude, your life must have SUCKED at home. Pathetic.
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Or maybe you were a coked up little slut and definitely needed to be sent to CEDU. That gets my vote. Yeah, your parents had to hire someone to do the job they couldn't do. So fuck the parents. But fuck you too for being a little shit and thinking that it's ok to be out snorting coke off some guy's dick in a basement somewhere. Believe me, if I have a kid who turns out like that, his ass is getting shipped off in a heartbeat. Because he/she'll deserve it, JUST LIKE YOU DID. "
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Hmmm. Interesting. Someone raises legitimiate specific concerns about CEDU, and they are automatically described as druggy sluts. Sounds like CEDU taught you well. I wonder if your Momma would reevaluate the benefits of CEDU after reading your pathetic characterization of any woman who raises valid issues. I think you WISH we were all coke crazy cock sucking whores--that's the only way you could get some. That and a wad of cash.
Whatever.
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Oh wow, you sure read me like a book. You betcha, that's exactly what I look for in my women. I love 'em dirty, straight off the streets, and bleedin' from the nose. Fact of the matter is, I remember CEDU all to well. It was just one big revolving door for coked up little sluts. They would come in, CEDU would "change them", but sure enough, 5 years later, I hear most of 'em are back to being coked up little sluts. And seeing as how that struck a nerve with you, I have no choice but to believe that I am right on in your case. Bitch.
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Far be it for me to tote the line that one needs to experience something firsthand in order to make a valid obervation about it, but in this case, I will.
I think that the only people who would be able to accurately make an assesment about whether or not CEDU was better or worse than prison are people who have both been to CEDU and prison. In addition, there are several variables that come into play. 1. When they were at the CEDU schools, and 2. What type of prison they were in.
Probably the only other people who could make a valid assesment who weren't actually there would be people who have done exhaustive sociological research on both environments. Maybe someone like Maia Szalavitz. I'm not sure how much resarch she has done on prisons, but she sure has done a lot about behavior mod institutions.
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If what you say about coked up little bitches pre and post CEDU is true, then you are basically proving that CEDU is ineffectual at best.
And truth be told, I would say most of the girls I knew at CEDU were NOT coked up sluts. But for you, I guess those were the only ones worth remembering.
AS for your crazy wish that I am some coke crazed whore, well, keep dreaming. You're not the first guy to tell tales about girls in an effort to bolster a poor self image. I don't even smoke pot, dumb ass.
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On 2006-01-12 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
I don't even smoke pot, dumb ass.
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Sounds like you should.
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Sounds like I should, huh? Funny, I thought the same thing about you!
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I went to CEDU 15+ years ago and there were no fucking ski trips no fucking trips anywhere. I got to go to the dentist once and wilderness challange and quest in two fucking years. No wonder you liked cedu YOU GOT TO DO THINGS. I didn't. And no I wasn't a bad kid. I tried to fall through the cracks but then when you get indicted in a rap because you don't yell at people and "partcipate" then what does that say? It was fucked up. Perhaps Brown changed Cedu but I was still there when Mel owned it.
IT WAS A PRISON (and a cult) with less rights then a real prison that was my point and I said if I had done something to deserve to get thrown in prison then I would have deserved it but I didn't do anything to get thrown in there, just normal teenage stuff.
I knew you would attack that. Nice cedu tactics and all blowing things out of porportion. Cedu taught you well.
On 2006-01-12 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"B-O-O- H-O-O. Fuck you. Get over it. Maybe you didn't like CEDU because you had your head up your ass. Me, I kind of enjoyed my time in Idaho. I have more fond memories than shitty ones. Let's see here: Camping trips at least three times a year, skiing 4,5,6, times a winter, snowboarding trips, a kyaking trip, a trip to Yellowstone, a trip to D.C., more trips to Spokane than I can count, and probably more shit that I'm leaving out. I wasn't a dumbass at CEDU. I followed the rules and didn't get fucked with very much. I behaved and slipped through the cracks. I was the fucking poster child for christ's sake. I happen to think that CEDU only fucked with the kids who needed to be fucked with. It was just a boarding school with group therapy. So shut the fuck up already. You and everyone else who can't quit complaining about CEDU years after the fact.
And CEDU's abuses and inefficancies went only as far as they needed to. Hey guess what? CEDU is back! "
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personally...I doubt the guy even attended CEDU...why you ask?...well...because people who went to school in Idaho NEVER referred to their school as CEDU...sure...CEDU was the parent corporation...but if you went to school there it was RMA or BCA or whatever other repackaged renamed garbage that it is. And frankly...kids did NOT get that many "cookies" as they were called as this guy is referring to...even the biggest "look goods" as they were called.
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On 2006-01-12 18:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sounds like I should, huh? Funny, I thought the same thing about you!
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Well I'm glad you thought that. I'm about to take a drive and twist one up right now. Suck my balls.
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Sorry man, but you're just plain wrong. True, I never referred to BCA as CEDU when I was there. But when I post on this site I refer to BCA as CEDU. Why? Just so as not to alienate "alumni" of the other schools. CEDU is one big piece of shit, so the bad shit that went down at BCA also went down at RMA, NWA, CEDU High, wherever. So if I want to call attention to something general like, say, the way we were treated in raps, I'd rather say "...at CEDU they fucked with our heads in raps" than "...at BCA they fucked with our heads in raps". Just so people who got their heads fucked with at RMA don't feel like "well what the fuck, it happened to us, too".
As for the "cookies", if you're referring to the ski trips and such, well, unfortunately you're wrong again (no offense). Again, I don't know what it was like back in the day. But in my time, I went on at least 12 ski trips, 5 larger trips, countless trips into town, shit I got my fuckin' drivers license while I was there. BCA was god damn cushy. Sure, they'd fuck with you, but bullshit them a little and they'd hook you up. For a little while at least...then they'd catch your game. By the time I was a challenge student, I was going into Sandpoint once a month with two of my buddies who were also in challenge, with absolutely no staff accompanying us. They'd just drop us off, hand us our money orders, and tell us to be back there in a few hours to get picked up. Calling bullshit on the "cookies"? I'd check into it a little first.
Also, I think that last example may help old school CEDU victims appreciate how lax the place got. Apparently they kept you on a tight leash, and I have been called a liar by you guys in the past when I mentioned the ease with which I snuck weed on campus. Well how hard is it to get a sack in a hippie town like Sandpoint and then stuff that shit in your boxers and waltz back onto campus like the "upstanding challenge student" I was. Ha!
Anyways, peace out homies.
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my apologies...I had heard that you guys were "getting away with murder" or so to say...but when I was at RMA things were COMPLETELY controlled. The only knowledge of the outside world other than the dentist or a few cookies was that the space shuttle blew up...obviously things did change as you say but 20 years ago it was way harsher...and I consider myself one of the lucky fortunate ones. I was more of a pet and a lookgood but that was more to keep from building retaining walls out of large boulders. If you looked at some of the walls around there and realized that they were built by ONE student it's really pretty mindblowing the Gulag style labor that fulltimers and work detailers went through.
Again my apologies and now I understand why you referred to it as Cedu.
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If you looked at some of the walls around there and realized that they were built by ONE student it's really pretty mindblowing the Gulag style labor that fulltimers and work detailers went through
Ha ha. I still have pictures of me proudly posing in front of my retaining wall with my parents. That whole wall in the driveway that led up to the house. Took me 14 days to build that thing. And a fine fucking job I did of it, too. To add insult to injury, my full time was during a parent visit, so I got to watch all of the kids run up that driveway to meet their parents, while I worked on that wall. Secretly, that was fine by me. I got on the full time so I didn't have to see my parents to begin with. It was only a few months after I had been sent there and I was still pissed at them.