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Tacitus' Realm / Terri Schiavo
« on: April 05, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-04-05 10:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Pay attention... I didn't say it was."
Sorry my bad don't let it get your blood pressure up
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Sorry my bad don't let it get your blood pressure up
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Tacitus' Realm / Terri Schiavo
« on: April 05, 2005, 01:16:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-04-01 20:59:00, Deborah wrote:
"
What is obscene about euthanasia?
This country doesn't even starve to death its murders on death row. They die fairly quickly (most of the time) from lethal injection. Why make her family watch her slowly dehydrate to the point her tongue splits open? I think we have some sadists making policies in this country, confusing and contradictory policies to boot. "
Hey Deb Starvation is NOT euthanasia
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Tacitus' Realm / Terri Schiavo
« on: April 05, 2005, 01:13:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-04-05 07:32:00, Carmel wrote:
"Has anyone read about how her parents have now sold off the list of fund donors? Sold it off to several different groups, including right-to-lifers and Christian convervatives?
Sold it off so that these whack-os so they can spam everyone who sent support to the Schiavo cause. Talk about sick.
I'll tell you what....as I am sure some people on this board do as well, I know a thing or two about losing a child. I lost my 5 year old daughter in a car accident not two years ago.
Now, she didnt starve to death, peacefully, in her sleep....no, there were no loving arms to hold my baby when she passed on, in fact there was nothing but the sandy ground and the hot sun. She was thrown from the vehicle, and it was at least 30 minutes before she was found. Still not dead, but unable to communicate...she was taken in an ambulance and pronounced dead on arrival.
It makes me FURIOUS. Positively FURIOUS, that Terri's parents drug this out and out in order to avoid the grief process. Its sick. It ceased to be about Terri's survival, and more about their fear of loss. NO ONE in this world is truly entitled to ANYTHING. Bad things happen to good people every day, and all there is to do is go on being the best that you can be.
I applaud her husbands strength, and despise her parents weakness. I feel that when those we love are gone from this earth, it is imperative that we maintain an honorable, strong path forward without them...so that we may make them proud in ALL our endevours, wherever they may be. I feel not one ounce of sympathy for those people who fear death as if it were not part of life.
Just my thoughts.[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2005-04-05 07:33 ]"
Applaude her husbands strenght? WHAT did he have to gain from starving her to death ? he had moved on with his life. He is the one that drug this out, all he had to do was give the parents back their right to care for their daughter. We would never smoke some low life criminal in the electric chair until all evidence was in of their guilt (well usually) or until all appeals weere exhausted. But in this case they began starving her befor all appeals were exhausted, there never was a living will only his word. All he had to do was giver her to her parents and walk away, instead he starved her. Let me keep food and water from you until you die and then you tell me how peaceful it is give me a break. Just my opinion, I am sorry for your loss as a parent I cannot begin to imagine going through that
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Tacitus' Realm / Garner guilty of prisoner abuse
« on: March 30, 2005, 04:00:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-02-13 11:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1121981,00.html
US military 'brutalised' journalists
News agency demands inquiry after American forces in Iraq allegedly treated camera crew as enemy personnel
Luke Harding in Baghdad
Tuesday January 13, 2004
The Guardian
The international news agency Reuters has made a
formal complaint to the Pentagon following the
"wrongful" arrest and apparent "brutalisation" of
three of its staff this month by US troops in Iraq.
The complaint followed an incident in the town of
Falluja when American soldiers fired at two Iraqi
cameramen and a driver from the agency while they were filming the scene of a helicopter crash.
The US military initially claimed that the Reuters
journalists were "enemy personnel" who had opened fire on US troops and refused to release them for 72 hours.
Although Reuters has not commented publicly, it is
understood that the journalists were "brutalised and intimidated" by US soldiers, who put bags over their heads, told them they would be sent to Guantanamo Bay, and whispered: "Let's have sex."
At one point during the interrogation, according to the family of one of the staff members, a US soldier shoved a shoe into the mouth one of the Iraqis.
The US troops, from the 82nd Airborne Division, based in Falluja, also made the blindfolded journalists stand for hours with their arms raised and their palms pressed against the cell wall.
"They were brutalised, terrified and humiliated for three days," one source said. "It was pretty grim stuff. There was mental and physical abuse."
He added: "It makes you wonder what happens to
ordinary Iraqis."
The US military has so far refused to apologise and has bluntly told Reuters to "drop" its complaint. Major General Charles Swannack, the commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, claimed that two US soldiers had provided sworn evidence that they had come under fire. He admitted, however, that soldiers sometimes had to make "snap judgments".
"More often than not they are right," he said.
On January 2 Reuters' Baghdad-based cameraman Salem Ureibi, Falluja stringer Ahmed Mohammed Hussein al-Badrani and driver Sattar Jabar al-Badrani turned up at the crash site where a US Kiowa Warrior helicopter had just been shot down, killing one soldier.
The journalists were all wearing bulletproof jackets clearly marked "press". They drove off after US soldiers who were securing the scene opened fire on their Mercedes, but were arrested shortly afterwards.
The soldiers also detained a fourth Iraqi, working for the American network NBC. No weapons were found, the US military admitted.
Last night the nephew of veteran Reuters driver and latterly cameraman Mr Ureibi said that US troops had forced his uncle to strip naked and had ordered him to put his shoe in his mouth.
"He protested that he was a journalist but they stuck a shoe in his mouth anyway. They also hurt his leg. One of the soldiers told him: 'If you don't shut up we'll fuck you.'"
He added: "His treatment was very shameful. He's very sad. He has also had hospital treatment because of his leg."
Last August a US soldier shot dead another Reuters
cameraman, Mazen Dana, after mistaking his camera for a rocket launcher while he filmed outside a Baghdad prison.
An internal US investigation later cleared him of
wrongdoing. During the war last April another of the agency's cameramen, Ukrainian Taras Protswuk, was killed after a US tank fired a shell directly into his room in the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad, from where he had been filming.
Last night Simon Walker, a spokesman at Reuters head office in London, confirmed that the agency had made a formal complaint to the Pentagon last Friday.
He said: "We have also complained to the US military. We have complained about the detention [of our staff] and their treatment in detention. We hope it will be dealt with expeditiously."
A spokeswoman for the US military's coalition press and information centre in Baghdad hung up when the Guardian asked her to comment.
The top US military spokesman in Iraq, Brigadier
General Mark Kimmitt, later admitted that they had
received a formal complaint and that there was an
on-going investigation into the incident.
Journalists based in Baghdad have expressed concern that the US military is likely to treat other media employees in Iraq as targets.
"
Shoot all the fucking journalists, its hard to tell who's side some of these idiots are on, I am sure if you talked to the soldiers involved, American soldiers mind you it would be a whole different story.[ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2005-03-30 13:02 ]
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Tacitus' Realm / SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THE BOYS ON THE HILL
« on: March 24, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
KEEP IT GOING!!!!
2008 Election Issue!!
GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
This must be an issue in "2008 ". Please! Keep it going.
----------------------------------
SOCIAL SECURITY:
(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)
Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.
Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.
You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their
own benefit plan .
In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan.
For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.
Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..
This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.
Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.
Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....
This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;
"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!
>From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,-every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.
Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator! Bill Bradley's benefits!
Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us
then sit back.....
and watch how fast they would fix it.
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve.
How many people can YOU send this to? Better yet.....
How many people WILL you send this to??
KEEP IT GOING!!!!
2008 Election Issue!!
GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
This must be an issue in "2008 ". Please! Keep it going.
----------------------------------
SOCIAL SECURITY:
(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)
Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.
Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.
You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their
own benefit plan .
In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan.
For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.
Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..
This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.
Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.
Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....
This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;
"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!
>From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,-every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.
Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator! Bill Bradley's benefits!
Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us
then sit back.....
and watch how fast they would fix it.
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve.
How many people can YOU send this to? Better yet.....
How many people WILL you send this to??
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Debate - Survivors vs. Sembler's Scheduled
« on: March 15, 2005, 05:07:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-03-15 14:03:00, Anonymous wrote:::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::
"Quote
On 2005-03-15 13:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just found out that there is going to be another debate scheduled later next month between Mel Sembler, Art Barker, Miller Newton and Helen Peterman. They are having an open debate on who had the best drug treatment program in America and why. "
Will Rev Jesse Jackson attend this debate too?"
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Debate - Survivors vs. Sembler's Scheduled
« on: March 09, 2005, 04:34:00 PM »
Sounds like somebody is trolling to me, Sembler isn't going to debate anybody, especially a survivor come on get real.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / How lomg and what good?
« on: March 01, 2005, 09:55:00 AM »Quote
On 2005-02-28 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-02-28 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok,
Someone tell me measurable accomplishments that this site has provoked!
I fucked Betty Sembler and Ruthie after I met them through this site."
Juvenile comments like this is why nobody outside of any survivors take this site seriously. Its one thing to do a little trolling and have some fune, but this is down right childish.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sitting in your pity
« on: February 18, 2005, 12:14:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-02-18 06:18:00, Dr. Fucktard wrote:
"We've been getting kids Straight and OFF DRUGS, that's what we've been up to! Now change your user name to something that doesn't glorify the use of narcotics, you filthy druggie!"
Ding Ding Ding!!!!!! Round three here we go again, love yourself Dr. Fucktard! have a seat! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sitting in your pity
« on: February 17, 2005, 11:37:00 AM »Quote
On 2005-02-17 08:36:00, thepatriot wrote:
"Quote:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
On 2005-02-17 07:18:00, froderik13 wrote:
"QuoteNo, it's Cognitive Dissonance
I was going to correct him yesterday, but was too embarrassed & didn't 'push through my insecurities.' :lol:"
Well then Alex have a seat and love yourself! write about it in your MI tonight
"Love Ya Alex" Group lets have a song, but first somebody grab the little misbehaving fuck on front row and sit on him..NOW!!!!!!
_________________
Sarasota Straight Escapee
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sitting in your pity
« on: February 17, 2005, 11:36:00 AM »Quote
On 2005-02-17 07:18:00, froderik13 wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"QuoteNo, it's Cognitive Dissonance
I was going to correct him yesterday, but was too embarrassed & didn't 'push through my insecurities.' :lol:"
Well then Alex have a seat and love yourself!
"Love Ya Alex"
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My 14-year old smokes pot and drinks beer while reading Forn
« on: February 17, 2005, 01:13:00 AM »
Hey Frod...he thinks your cool...introduce him to Dr. Fucktard, havent heard from that crusty old bastard in a while :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sitting in your pity
« on: February 17, 2005, 12:14:00 AM »Quote
On 2005-02-16 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-02-16 09:47:00, thepatriot wrote:
"What about whenever a 4th phaser started going to RSC ( rational Self Counseling) and learned a new word like "Cognitive Dissidence" and then would go home and bore the shit out of his newcommers with his new found vocabulary. Now that I never did, I prefered to sleep...
"
Did you mean RSA (Rational Self Analysis)?"
Rational Self something or a fuckingnother, it was all bull shit anyway. Does anybody remember the books they handed out in those classes? With the characters Rational Ralph and irrational Rachel or some shit like that. Completely pathetic, with some holier than though Senior staff, in my case Cris Cassler in Sarasota. Pretending to be some kind of psychology professor, and all that he was learning at Junior College. Probably because the dumb ass didn't have the SAT's to go to a real school. I remeber Straight telling the parents that when their kid seven stepped they would have more "Awareness" then somebody with a psych degre
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what a fucking joke, maybe a basket weaving degree or Art Therapy degree :lol: :lol: [ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2005-02-16 21:15 ]
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Gonna get drunk w/ a friend from Str8
« on: February 17, 2005, 12:03:00 AM »Quote
On 2005-02-11 06:52:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:"I don't like people touching my things! you touch my things.....I'll Kill ya"
"Quote
On 2005-02-11 06:51:00, froderik13 wrote:
"QuoteLighten up Francis!!! :rofl:
Francis? Either you somehow know who that anon is, or (more likely, I think) that's a line from a movie or something..."
Alright! Someone picked it up. :grin: It's from Stripes. Sgt. Hulka talking to Psycho (Francis)"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks."
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5617&forum=9#50637' target='_new'>Timoclea
"AND I don't like people touchin me! You touch me ......I'll Kill Ya"
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sitting in your pity
« on: February 16, 2005, 12:47:00 PM »
What about whenever a 4th phaser started going to RSC ( rational Self Counseling) and learned a new word like "Cognitive Dissidence" and then would go home and bore the shit out of his newcommers with his new found vocabulary. Now that I never did, I prefered to sleep...