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The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: This forum, Now and then
« on: July 23, 2009, 01:07:56 PM »
Thanks Johnny.
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Dang, that's funny as hell. :lol:
While i freely admit I am in this discussion without having been in a program, I think that there is a danger in writing off any faith system that is unpopular or strange as being just like a program. Fishers ideas are alarming, the paramilitary shit was bizarre and the crazy masses went to far. But there is a difference between indoctrination and brainwashing. i would say that my own parents liked the idea of religious indoctrination ( not into anything that extreme) and at the end of the day I rejected it. So did at least half of my classmates. This was always a bonafide choice.
In programs (at least from what I have been told) there are no real choices, the kids do not seem happy, even those claiming some benefit. There are few leisure activities or any freedoms. The primary philosophy is cruelty. I dont think fisher was about a philosophy of cruelty to these kids. When they were not at nutbar mass they seemed to have relatively normal childhoods. if anything that was what was alarming. These people were normal suburbanites with some of the most absurd ideas i have ever heard. But if this is child abuse and should be banned then where do you draw the line? Because in any democracy there needs to be freedom of ideas and faith no matter how mad.
The idea of putting this woman out of business or vandalizing the camp disturbs me
I am still working on the "in bed till 10" but, all things considered - things have worked out pretty well.
Greg- I understand that The Seed etc were based on synanon and the human development movement but do you think that there is some kind of fundamentalist religious influence? ( both on Dr Phil and Straight separately) I once read an old Washington post article on straight in it's heyday that said kids were allowed to read the bible but no other book. Dr Phil's wife is some sort of capital H holy roller. So I wonder if he was influenced so much by straight etc or if he just has in common with them a combo of skinner style psychology and a fundamentalist religious mentality that makes them sound the same.