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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: dragonfly on June 22, 2006, 11:56:00 PM
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Not a bad idea, DF. I think maybe a candlelight vigil with the names of many of the deceased victims read and a moment of silence for each. If it is done with dignity and composure, this could be a good opportunity to help in our own healing and to memorialize those victims who no longer number among the living.
RTP2k3
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Who's bringin' the hooch? :grin:
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On 2006-06-23 05:01:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Well, maybe we could drink hooch after the event.
I mean we're planning to perform a memorial service for victims of Straight.
It might be more appropriate to eat acid or mushrooms for the ceremony itself."
I tend to agree, save the party for afterwards, a memorial service ain't the place for drunken revelry (unless it's Miller Newton's funeral).
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On 2006-06-22 21:21:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Who's bringin' the hooch? :grin: "
Are you like this in bed?
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If you're serious keep us posted on what date you're looking at this fall. I've often thought about driving down south again simply to drive by that place.
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On 2006-06-23 05:01:00, dragonfly wrote:
Well, maybe we could drink hooch after the event.
I mean we're planning to perform a memorial service for victims of Straight.
It might be more appropriate to eat acid or mushrooms for the ceremony itself.
More "appropriate" for there not to be hooch at a funeral-like event?? ::cheers::
I'll be bringing plenty of booze down there and y'best not be tryin' to stop me! :skull: :tup:
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I tend to agree, save the party for afterwards, a memorial service ain't the place for drunken revelry (unless it's Miller Newton's funeral).
F that; there must not be much Irish blood runnin' through your veins for you to say that! :grin:
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Hey DF I would be intrested even though I was held captive in the "Atlanta" concentration camp. My old druggie girlfriend was sent there as well and when she got out she was killed in a car wreck. She got out and used drugs harder than she did before she went in...(Was making up for lost time or tried to mask the pain). She was in for about 9 months and her parents wised up and withdrew her. I was there much longer.
It was a sad thing that both of us being like we were before straight and during the time we were there we were not allowed to look at each other not to mention even talk to each other. After our time in straight we did not talk or associate. I was told about a month after her funeral she had died by one of our mutual friends.
So yes I would make the time and arrangements to go to a candlelight vigil for the fallen as well as the ones who may never heal emotionally from the hell we endured.
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I'm in. For both the memorial and then getting sloppy drunk after!
::cheers:: ::cheers::
BYOTBPITW
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On 2006-06-22 20:56:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
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If I see Mike Sherman or Samantha "Montel" Monroe or Chris Tyler there,then I will turn right around and go home.
As a matter of fact,the only ones you will see there are Mike Sherman,Samantha "Montel" Monroe and Chris Tyler!
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On 2006-06-23 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
If I see Mike Sherman or Samantha "Montel" Monroe or Chris Tyler there,then I will turn right around and go home.
::fuckoff::
Sammie, Mike and Chris. You BETTER show up now! :tup: :tup:
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On 2006-06-23 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm in. For both the memorial and then getting sloppy drunk after!
::cheers:: ::cheers::
BYOTBPITW
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I'll be raising a fuckin' glass of ALCOHOL to Steve Matthews during the ceremony!! :skull: :skull:
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On 2006-06-23 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-22 20:56:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
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As a matter of fact,the only ones you will see there are Mike Sherman,Samantha "Montel" Monroe and Chris Tyler!"
TRUE :tup:
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On 2006-06-22 20:56:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
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Count me in...if not in body then in spirit!
Maybe we can have multiple ceremonies simultainously (sp). This way the travel distance/time is reduced...perhaps more people would be inclined to attend. Also, it would be umm program specific...that is it would be more (I think) powerfull experience to attend a ceremony at the Morgan Yacht building or any of the 3 buildings I was in...as oppossed to going to Atlanta or other locations. If they were all held at the same time, there maybe an increased chance of media exposure because of the enormity and georgraphical spread of the abuse.
Unfortunately, my direct experience with these gatherings has shown that few people actually show up. Perhaps with adequate planning and a clear sense of purpose...not to mention a minimalization of back biting and shit slinging...a very powerfull event could be held and most probably would be good for us all. As well I think it would give us all a good reason to tip back a few, maybe burn a few...ease a few of the tensions...heal a few of the wounds.
I was thinking of some sort of collective eulogy (sp) that somehow embraces all of our experience, in relation to Straight Inc. Have that sent to media and have it read at each event simultaniously, then each location read the list of people who did not survive from that location...make any sense?
Anyways, just brainstorming along to what I think is a great idea ya had there D-Fly!
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On 2006-06-24 05:16:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:
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On 2006-06-22 20:56:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
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Count me in...if not in body then in spirit!
Maybe we can have multiple ceremonies simultainously (sp). This way the travel distance/time is reduced...perhaps more people would be inclined to attend. Also, it would be umm program specific...that is it would be more (I think) powerfull experience to attend a ceremony at the Morgan Yacht building or any of the 3 buildings I was in...as oppossed to going to Atlanta or other locations. If they were all held at the same time, there maybe an increased chance of media exposure because of the enormity and georgraphical spread of the abuse.
Unfortunately, my direct experience with these gatherings has shown that few people actually show up. Perhaps with adequate planning and a clear sense of purpose...not to mention a minimalization of back biting and shit slinging...a very powerfull event could be held and most probably would be good for us all. As well I think it would give us all a good reason to tip back a few, maybe burn a few...ease a few of the tensions...heal a few of the wounds.
I was thinking of some sort of collective eulogy (sp) that somehow embraces all of our experience, in relation to Straight Inc. Have that sent to media and have it read at each event simultaniously, then each location read the list of people who did not survive from that location...make any sense?
Anyways, just brainstorming along to what I think is a great idea ya had there D-Fly!
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Its just going to be another Sammie Parade.
Dont waste your time.
If you go,the only people there will be Samantha "Montel" Monroe,Mike Sherman,Chris Tyler and YOU.
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Fuck off psycho boy. ::fuckoff:: I don't even think any of them knew about it until you started throwing their names around.
Woof, this is why more people don't show up. No one wants to see or deal with this asshole.
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On 2006-06-23 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
If I see Mike Sherman or Samantha "Montel" Monroe or Chris Tyler there,then I will turn right around and go home.
As a matter of fact,the only ones you will see there are Mike Sherman,Samantha "Montel" Monroe and Chris Tyler!"
Quit blaming them for your psychosis. They promised you nothing, owed you nothing and have no responsibility to you, me or any other vet.
Get over this, LIFE being called Str8 LITE, your persecution complex and your paranoia. Or at least take it to your own fucking site. Oh, that's right. You don't have one. You just like to bitch about this one and try and control what people say. Try deprogramming yourself as you're obviously still stuck there.
Ya fucking moron. :roll: :lol: :lol:
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I WILL PRAY N SALUTE HIM !!
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On 2006-06-24 13:13:00, S wrote:
"I WILL PRAY N SALUTE HIM !!"
Salute who? Steve, you really should be more specific in your replies. We have no idea which post your responding to.
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You should also think about those of us with kids that go to school. Do it on a day that the kids are out of school!
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On 2006-06-24 07:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-23 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
If I see Mike Sherman or Samantha "Montel" Monroe or Chris Tyler there,then I will turn right around and go home.
As a matter of fact,the only ones you will see there are Mike Sherman,Samantha "Montel" Monroe and Chris Tyler!"
Quit blaming them for your psychosis. They promised you nothing, owed you nothing and have no responsibility to you, me or any other vet.
Get over this, LIFE being called Str8 LITE, your persecution complex and your paranoia. Or at least take it to your own fucking site. Oh, that's right. You don't have one. You just like to bitch about this one and try and control what people say. Try deprogramming yourself as you're obviously still stuck there.
Ya fucking moron.
Hi Mikey :wave:
Mike Sherman,still posting as anon.
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Wrong as usual little man. :lol:
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I know...Steve Mathews......Right on! S. Steve Mathews...that kid was way cool. $tr8 killed him. Fuck $tr8. They are criminals.
I remember Steve. He was a teacher to me.
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On 2006-06-25 00:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wrong as usual little man. :wave: posting as "anon".
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On 2006-06-25 23:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-25 00:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wrong as usual little man. :wave: posting as "anon"."
Just another Mike Sherman apologist,thats all.
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On 2006-06-26 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-25 23:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-25 00:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wrong as usual little man. :wave: posting as "anon"."
Just another Mike Sherman apologist,thats all."
I think you have chased Sherman off. Dont think he posts as Pickle or anaon.
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I think you have chased Sherman off. Dont think he posts as Pickle or anaon."
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Just read the "Close up shot of billboard in St Pete threas and you will see an example of Mike Sherman posting as "anon".
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This is something I would like to see happen.
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Besides me ??? 'cause I plan to attend.
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On 2006-06-28 14:17:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Besides me ??? 'cause I plan to attend."
Well that makes 3 of us I guess, because I plan to attend.
Here's to Freddy Gorely and Karen Clonniger Atlanta Straight....Casualties of the "Drug War"
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I hope to make it.
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I'll be the guy without a bag over my head.
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I might cruise in for the afterparty. Can I bring a big friendly dog?
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
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I like dogs.
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Keep us updated...I'd like to come by. I wonder if Hardees is still across the street?
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I hope so.
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doubt pickkle will attned. He is a scardy cat........so scared of dobbs. (I am not dobbs)
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I doubt he'll attend since he lives in FL & the memorial service is in VA.
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won't attend bcause he is cocksucker
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I guess you're mad at him.
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Hey - haven't been on here in a long time. I guess the spam and bull shit kind of turned me off. Working for an ISP - I HATE spam. Besides, it doesn't really seem like too many people on here are real serious about anything. So I don't really check this place out too much.
Anyway - the reunion in Nov. I'm all in - told you that before & I was serious.
However, if you know of anyone that says that they will not go because former staff will be there, let me know & I won't go. I'm not trying to cause pain or hardship for anyone.
Hope all is going well for you - hope your staying dry!!
[ This Message was edited by: lostnfound on 2006-06-29 15:30 ]
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On 2006-06-29 15:12:00, lostnfound wrote:
Hey - haven't been on here in a long time. I guess the spam and bull shit kind of turned me off. Working for an ISP - I HATE spam. Besides, it doesn't really seem like too many people on here are real serious about anything. So I don't really check this place out too much.
You want a spam-free forum? I don't how serious it is or not, but there's no spam:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=53&31 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=53&31)
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On 2006-06-29 11:08:00, Guest wrote:
"I guess you're mad at him."
actually i have no idea who kpikle is. I figured i'd jump on the band wagon and tear the guy a new asshole. :rofl:
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I WILL SALUTE STEVE AND HIS SIS KELLY !!! !!!
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I WILL GIVE FRANK A BIG OLE HUG !!! !!!
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On 2006-06-24 05:16:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:
"Maybe we can have multiple ceremonies simultainously (sp). This way the travel distance/time is reduced...perhaps more people would be inclined to attend.
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You know I really liked the this plan of action as I currently live in "South Florida" and think it would be cool to meet survivors that are more local to me, however where ever we have it I'll be there.
[ This Message was edited by: Doc Slow on 2006-06-30 10:28 ]
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On 2006-06-30 06:47:00, S wrote:
"I WILL SALUTE STEVE AND HIS SIS KELLY !!! !!!"
::dove:: ::dove:: ::dove::
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On 2006-06-30 22:03:00, dragonfly wrote:
"I want part of our statement to be an apology to those effected for perpetrating the cause of STRAIGHT upon those who came after our own brainwashing.
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cool, cuz that's what I'm hoping to accomplish as weel
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Yeah. I think survivor's guilt is about half of what keeps me piqued here. If I had it to do over again, I might have raised a whole lot more hell.
To be an atheist requires strength of mind and goodness of heart found in not one of a thousand.
--Samuel Taylor Coleridge, English poet, critic, journalist, philosopher
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On 2006-06-24 05:16:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:
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On 2006-06-22 20:56:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
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Count me in...if not in body then in spirit!
Maybe we can have multiple ceremonies simultainously (sp). This way the travel distance/time is reduced...perhaps more people would be inclined to attend. Also, it would be umm program specific...that is it would be more (I think) powerfull experience to attend a ceremony at the Morgan Yacht building or any of the 3 buildings I was in...as oppossed to going to Atlanta or other locations. If they were all held at the same time, there maybe an increased chance of media exposure because of the enormity and georgraphical spread of the abuse.
Unfortunately, my direct experience with these gatherings has shown that few people actually show up. Perhaps with adequate planning and a clear sense of purpose...not to mention a minimalization of back biting and shit slinging...a very powerfull event could be held and most probably would be good for us all. As well I think it would give us all a good reason to tip back a few, maybe burn a few...ease a few of the tensions...heal a few of the wounds.
I was thinking of some sort of collective eulogy (sp) that somehow embraces all of our experience, in relation to Straight Inc. Have that sent to media and have it read at each event simultaniously, then each location read the list of people who did not survive from that location...make any sense?
Anyways, just brainstorming along to what I think is a great idea ya had there D-Fly!
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As usual Woof, I like your ideas. I think the idea about simultaneous ceremonies at the different $tr8 warehouses is great. I think it would be very powerful if we could get the press to report that there were all these $tr8 survivors conducting this ceremony simultaneously to honor the memories of those who did not survive. I think there is an opportunity for the Cincy survivors to contact Eve Mueller, who covered the Columbus protest just this past spring and get her to come out to cover the ceremony. She is already very interested in our story and if the Cincy survivors could tie this ceremony in with KHK, it would help to keep the heat on them.
Even if we just held simultaneous traditional street protests outside of each building and got media coverage, that would be very powerful. Imagine a protest at Family Pathways in Detroit being conducted at the same time as a protest in Cincy against KHK, which would be held at the same time as protests in Florida, Springfield Va, Dallas TX, Stoughton, Mass, etc...
...and then maybe we could all meet in the middle...where would that be... ::hatter::
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I would be willing to off myself with a pistol on camera in the name of Survivors. :skull:
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I concur Dragonfly. Your point is well taken. Let's do it!
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On 2006-07-04 07:36:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"I concur Dragonfly. Your point is well taken. Let's do it!"
I just felt the need to bump this back up to the top.
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Once you have this off the ground for real, maybe invite the Riddler to apologize. Document that you have invited him. Contact the press and let them know the story. People in the area are going to have to network to find the right press and journalist/reporter.
Another thing... To get more than three people to events like this, you will have to reach more than just the survivors who come to the boards. People will have to start individually tracking down people they know from Straight. Someone should starting a mailing list, or a list-serve.
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it isn't that easy. I sent out over 200 emails to survivors for one event and only about 15 showed up. Very discouraging.
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On 2006-07-06 05:02:00, dragonfly wrote:
"If we have 15 at this event I will be amazed and feel it would be so worth it.
I think we will need to look for folks outside of Fornits, that's a really good idea.
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Hey DF......Have you started working up a rough draft of what will be read???
And If we do this at multiple locations, I would be willing to read in from of the "Atlanta" building....I would have to drive from south Florida, but I would do it.
It may even give me a chance to hook up with some "Survivors" from my time ::rocker:: [ This Message was edited by: Doc Slow on 2006-07-06 10:03 ]
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I'm with Frank about Steve Mathews !
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Bumping this back up top over all the shit-spam
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I'm with Frank about Steve Mathews !
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On 2006-07-06 10:02:00, Doc Slow wrote:
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On 2006-07-06 05:02:00, dragonfly wrote:
"If we have 15 at this event I will be amazed and feel it would be so worth it.
I think we will need to look for folks outside of Fornits, that's a really good idea.
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Hey DF......Have you started working up a rough draft of what will be read???
And If we do this at multiple locations, I would be willing to read in from of the "Atlanta" building....I would have to drive from south Florida, but I would do it.
It may even give me a chance to hook up with some "Survivors" from my time ::rocker:: "
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Frank Discussion.....will you be at the Springfield Memorial???? If so....PM me if you wouldn't mind....I'd like to ask you a few ?'s.... I'll toast a drink to the 4 + more in the subject
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i want 2 go so maybe u will take me.
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On 2006-07-06 17:22:00, frootloop88va wrote:
Frank Discussion.....will you be at the Springfield Memorial???? If so....PM me if you wouldn't mind....I'd like to ask you a few ?'s.... I'll toast a drink to the 4 + more in the subject
You rang.. :grin: That would depend mostly on when it is.
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On 2006-07-06 19:40:00, S wrote:
"i want 2 go so maybe u will take me."
Sure Steve, I'll take you. That is NO problem
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i'm hoping u can make it ! but if can't i won't have a stroke!
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kewl ! :grin:
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On 2006-07-07 13:11:00, S wrote:
"i'm hoping u can make it ! but if can't i won't have a stroke!"
:rofl: very good then. :lol:
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On 2006-07-05 13:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"it isn't that easy. I sent out over 200 emails to survivors for one event and only about 15 showed up. Very discouraging."
7.5% return rate on attendance. To get thirty people, invite 400. Put an ad in paper.
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The LIFE program had a reunion and about 200 attended.
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Was Helen Petermann there?
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On 2006-07-08 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Was Helen Petermann there?"
She sure was.
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On 2006-07-08 07:04:00, dragonfly wrote:
"I have not written anything yet.
I'd like to hear all your ideas and sort of make a solution out of it all, so they are our words.
I can't do anything like this until the first week of November. And November 21st is my intake day, so that week would be meaningful to me as well.
If somebody who likes computers could start looking for folks from Straight and looking for surviving family members to invite, I'll buy them dinner.
Even if somebody could just come up with a list of names.
And again, I really think we should start an email list and conduct all this stuff under the radar.
I have three email addresses..... "
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One thing I am grieving is the loss of trust towards family as when I was sent they really had families in my area believing that the kids were going to die if they didn't get them help, and they had the people and place that could do it.
Even after I got out I had little or no trust in family and as the result of 20 years plus later I live over 700 miles from my immediate family and talk to them less than once a month.
I have tried to forgive and reintegrate myself back into the family fold, however the abuse I endured while in Straight cut to the core of my existence.
I miss my family, however the trust thing still keeps me distant.
Straight hurt families, they did not help.
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On 2006-07-09 16:17:00, Doc Slow wrote:
"One thing I am grieving is the loss of trust towards family...I have tried to forgive and reintegrate myself back into the family fold, however the abuse I endured while in Straight cut to the core of my existence.
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Yeah, that's the thing. I've spent many years trying to communicate with my folks but it seems that they have been brainwashed and can't hear me anymore. I have a very hard time with them. When I am with them everything is uncomfortable and strained and repressed. Their presence depresses me. I don't really even like them, personally.
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On 2006-07-09 14:45:00, dragonfly wrote:
"One thing I am thinking about today is this grieving over my loss of integrity that occurred when I was brainwashed.
Part of this service needs to mark our process of regaining the integrity that was taken from us.
That is also a loss of life I want to honor and acknowledge and move on from and call attention to.
To strip us of our integrity and replace it with institutional personalities and leave us blaming ourselves, that is a death I want to mark and honor and come back from.
And to acknowledge my own turning of the wheel, and the harm I caused.
And to acknowledge the years of confusion realizing I had been brainwashed and harmed and blamed. I want to celebrtate our efforts in coming back from this experience.
Maybe we could have pictures of as many victims as possible and a list of names, as many as possible.
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I will try to go by there this week after work and see if they will allow us to do this. Are you thinking in the back parking lot or the front parking lot?
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Thank-you L'n'F. Uh...I don't mean to be patronizing, but I just want to remind you to be polite and respectful when you make our request. Thanks again. Let us know the result.
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On 2006-07-10 07:00:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Thank-you L'n'F. Uh...I don't mean to be patronizing, but I just want to remind you to be polite and respectful when you make our request. Thanks again. Let us know the result."
I will be videotaping her. She better be polite and respectful, OR ELSE.
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On 2006-07-10 07:00:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Thank-you L'n'F. Uh...I don't mean to be patronizing, but I just want to remind you to be polite and respectful when you make our request. Thanks again. Let us know the result."
Not a problem Pirate, I understand. :wave:
Ironically, I use to work for the company that now occupies the building. The only think that I'm worried about is that there also use to be a parent that worked there too. Hopefully if she is still there, she will not promote negative "advertisement" for us.
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Tell us who she is and we'll take care of her.
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yea, a pacifier may work ! (((lol)))
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I remember that address.
I guess like maybe the thing to do would be to let the people who want to get invovlved in this memorial just get themselves together in each locality, seperately and independently from other localities and if it turns out that we have more than one locality that wants to participate, which I personally think would be fuckin' great, then we could coordinate the timing from there. You know, like DOC could get his clan together and some survivors or maybe even just sympathetic civillians who knew the deceased or the imprisoned could write their memorial words and bring pictures and such, and we could get our clan together and do likewise, the Dallas kids or the Cincy kids, if they wanted or whatever could get their clans together and then we could hammer out the date. I am starting to see more potential here than I did. I think we need to have a real clear idea of what it is we want to achieve. Perhaps a discussion about that is in order.
This is gonna take some thought and some coordination and some real effort.
I think we should be careful how we word ourselves to the public. Words are powerful.
I would love to see multiple memorials happening simultaneously. Cincy, You have an opportunity to really put the heat on KHK, cause you already have Eve Muellers' attention. I have her card right here. She was the reporter who Covered our KHK protest at the Ohio state house several months ago.
I will be thinkin' on this...
...memorial service.
...We need to gather people who are willing to work. Such as a person in each locality who will gather writers of memorial words and collect copies of those words by a certain deadline, at least a month before the event so we can all read the words and make sure that we have worded ourselves well and appropriately to the occaision. And we may need someone or several people in the different places to deal with and generate media interest somehow and get permission to use the sites. So we need a few good folks who have some energy to give. We need people who can represent.
Dig.
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On 2006-06-30 07:03:00, S wrote:
"I WILL GIVE FRANK A BIG OLE HUG !!! !!!"
... :rofl: ...You're funny dude.
Fuck. I know so many people who are gone from us now. Steve, Glenn Steepleton, Lisa Ducebella, Tracy Anderson, Jim Brown, Matt Hunter, Dale Neville, Greg Northrup. I heard that Harry T@ylor was in a bad motorcycle accident that left him brain-damaged pretty bad. He came in the same day as me and belonged to the serial cop-out corp.
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...Pete Coyne...
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On 2006-07-10 19:29:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
We need people who can represent.
Word up, my nigga! :tup:
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Hey is that you ?? Temperer of my strength ??
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Me? I'm thinking lately about the fallen and walking wounded who have been scathed by the broader, less obvious manifestations of the Program.
I'm talking about a kid who was like a son to me who came to me in times of need and in times of celebration. But I dropped the ball, didn't pay enough attention at a time when he was out of other resources. Now he's gone.
And I vow to never, ever make the same mistake again.
If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.
Voltaire
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All of your ideas r great ! :tup:
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You're so manipulative.
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I went to 5515 Backlick & spoke with both the Sales Mgr & Branch Mgr (Ferguson has many locations across the country). Anywho - they both said that it would be fine for us to have a memorial/vigil/whatever to remember those we've lost and those of us still surviving. The only thing they were worried about was that we do it when their business is closed, which I don't think will be an issue since they close at 5pm M-F & 3pm on Sat.
I have to say it was rather strange walking into that place. While the showroom (front office/lobby) looks totally different, I was still able to see the way that it use to be; where the front desk was, where the runner use to sit, where the 2 conference rooms use to be, the hallway into the carpet room. I know in my mind that the smell has changed, but I could still catch whiffs of the way it use to smell. They didn't want to let me walk behind the showroom (I wanted to see the hallway to the intake rooms, or where the messine? (sp?) use to be; morbid curiosity I guess). I guess it would have been a liability or something.
It was strange pulling into the parking lot; the wall for the carpet room now has windows. There is a driveway to the back of the building next to the loading dock where the pond use to be. I could barely see the back parking lot from all the trees in the way. It looks like it's now a grass covered field, though I couldn't really be sure. Hardees is now a McD's. The Shell is still next door, and the other gas station is still across the street. I don't know why I thought that perhaps it would have changed more. Perhaps wishful thinking.
I can't remember the last time my heart was pounding so hard. I think it was probably the 1st time I drove on a race track wondering if I was going to have the time of my life or die.
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Do you recall the name of the restaurant that was (is?) in the shopping center located on the other side of the bridge that goes over the railroad tracks?
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I went to 5515 Backlick & spoke with both the Sales Mgr & Branch Mgr (Ferguson has many locations across the country). Anywho - they both said that it would be fine for us to have a memorial/vigil/whatever to remember those we've lost and those of us still surviving. The only thing they were worried about was that we do it when their business is closed, which I don't think will be an issue since they close at 5pm M-F & 3pm on Sat.
I have to say it was rather strange walking into that place. While the showroom (front office/lobby) looks totally different, I was still able to see the way that it use to be; where the front desk was, where the runner use to sit, where the 2 conference rooms use to be, the hallway into the carpet room. I know in my mind that the smell has changed, but I could still catch whiffs of the way it use to smell. They didn't want to let me walk behind the showroom (I wanted to see the hallway to the intake rooms, or where the messine? (sp?) use to be; morbid curiosity I guess). I guess it would have been a liability or something.
It was strange pulling into the parking lot; the wall for the carpet room now has windows. There is a driveway to the back of the building next to the loading dock where the pond use to be. I could barely see the back parking lot from all the trees in the way. It looks like it's now a grass covered field, though I couldn't really be sure. Hardees is now a McD's. The Shell is still next door, and the other gas station is still across the street. I don't know why I thought that perhaps it would have changed more. Perhaps wishful thinking.
I can't remember the last time my heart was pounding so hard. I think it was probably the 1st time I drove on a race track wondering if I was going to have the time of my life or die.
That was a cool recount of your visit to the ol' facility. It also answered my question as to whether Hardees was still accross the street.
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Good job L'n' F.
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
Cool - you seem to be good with words. I sent an email to Wes to see if he has a phone/email/contact list for people around here that might be interested in something like this. I'm still waiting for a reply. I'll let yoiu know if/when I hear anything.
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
Show-up or throw-up !
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
Show-up or throw-up !
I pick throw-up!
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
Show-up or throw-up !
I pick throw-up!
How bout we trow-up there !
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
Show-up or throw-up !
I pick throw-up!
How bout we trow-up there !
Okay, yes, I will come if we are holding a barf-in. S, you are a genius, I don't know why this hasn't been done before.
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So...what's our next move ?? I guess I'm gonna start workin' on the words.
Show-up or throw-up !
I pick throw-up!
How bout we trow-up there !
Okay, yes, I will come if we are holding a barf-in. S, you are a genius, I don't know why this hasn't been done before.[/quote
I will b the dude n a wheel-chair heevin ! (((lol)))]
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Steve, are you a fellow pastafarian??
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Steve, are you a fellow pastafarian??[/quote
NO ! (((LOL))) I'm a s8-a-phobe !
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I thought by your avatar that you worshipped at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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...Yeah, I don't know about all this...I'm just gonna back away some...I mean what can I write or say to express the tragedy we all know ?? And also I am feeling hesitant to turn their memorial service into a news story, if ya know what I mean. Some kind of loss of dignity or something. Also if it does proceed, you don't want it to look to bizzarre to outsiders... :rofl:
I mean I think it's a great idea an' all but I am not in a big hurry to do it. It's more important that it be done right by each of us in their own way. I am still thinking about this...
Maybe if we didn't invite the press but instead filmed it ourselves and then put the footage on a memorial service website ?? See what I'm gettin' at ??
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I thought by your avatar that you worshipped at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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I do ! that's where ! 8)
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. Also if it does proceed, you don't want it to look to bizzarre to outsiders... :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl:
Maybe if we didn't invite the press but instead filmed it ourselves and then put the footage on a memorial service website ?? See what I'm gettin' at ??
Yup, that would be an ideal course of action.
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exactly. Now that people are saying lets do it, lets put it to action, u striahglings. are backing out. Typical.. Like I said, over 200 emails, and only a few people show up.
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I am concerned with reverence for my friends. Proper respect.
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I still wanta do it. but I think we could jus' film it ourselves and make a really cool video. Or I don't know...put the footage of the various memorial services all on one web site.
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I am concerned with reverence for my friends. Proper respect.
It will b O.K 1 They would definatley want this 2 happen !!!
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exactly. Now that people are saying lets do it, lets put it to action, u striahglings. are backing out. Typical.. Like I said, over 200 emails, and only a few people show up.
If there's one thing I've learned from all my tool use in this life, it's that having the right tool for the job makes all the difference. Belive me, I sympathize with you. The form will emerge. Do you have any ideas ??
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D-Fly,
C'mon...???
Put away that South Park disc for a little while... :roll: :lol:
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D-Fly,
C'mon...???
Put away that South Park disc for a little while... :roll: :lol:
(((LOL))) U Know Kenny's dead, Don't u ?
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D-Fly,
C'mon...???
Put away that South Park disc for a little while... :roll: :lol:
(((LOL))) U Know Kenny's dead, Don't u ?
Yeah, but you aint! ... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Ok here it is (am not suprised). Staightlings decide to organize have an event or protest or shindig, or whatever. Then they find out "oh, no, this might take some effort, or work" and then they back down and say, no, lets make a video so we don't have to actually organize anything. Yeah, yeah, let's be lazyasses.
Doubt anything will actuallyget done. go figure. :rofl:
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exactly. Now that people are saying lets do it, lets put it to action, u striahglings. are backing out. Typical.. Like I said, over 200 emails, and only a few people show up.
If there's one thing I've learned from all my tool use in this life, it's that having the right tool for the job makes all the difference. Belive me, I sympathize with you. The form will emerge. Do you have any ideas ??
I sm a STRAIGHTLING N I am not backin out !
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Ok here it is (am not suprised). Staightlings decide to organize have an event or protest or shindig, or whatever. Then they find out "oh, no, this might take some effort, or work" and then they back down and say, no, lets make a video so we don't have to actually organize anything. Yeah, yeah, let's be lazyasses.
Doubt anything will actuallyget done. go figure. :rofl:
I don't really think that I've seen anyone say that they weren't going to do this? I think what people are trying to say is now that several people have agreed and said that they would come, it's time to figure out the best way to do it. I believe that Pirate even said that he want's to do it?! I'm sure that Dragonfly, who started this whole thing is all for it, I know that I will definately be there. I think the larger questions - and please feel free to add your input here - is how do we get in touch with more people to tell them about this? Until a few months ago, I hadn't talked to anyone from straight in about 10 yrs. I think I may know where 1 or 2 people are, but that's it and 1 of them someone on this board has already been in touch with recently. So, since you are in such doubt that we will be there, tell us, will you? Do you know how to get in touch with anyone? Can you help?
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Ok here it is (am not suprised). Staightlings decide to organize have an event or protest or shindig, or whatever. Then they find out "oh, no, this might take some effort, or work" and then they back down and say, no, lets make a video so we don't have to actually organize anything. Yeah, yeah, let's be lazyasses.
Doubt anything will actuallyget done. go figure. :rofl:
I don't really think that I've seen anyone say that they weren't going to do this? I think what people are trying to say is now that several people have agreed and said that they would come, it's time to figure out the best way to do it. I believe that Pirate even said that he want's to do it?! I'm sure that Dragonfly, who started this whole thing is all for it, I know that I will definately be there. I think the larger questions - and please feel free to add your input here - is how do we get in touch with more people to tell them about this? Until a few months ago, I hadn't talked to anyone from straight in about 10 yrs. I think I may know where 1 or 2 people are, but that's it and 1 of them someone on this board has already been in touch with recently. So, since you are in such doubt that we will be there, tell us, will you? Do you know how to get in touch with anyone? Can you help?
:D
:D
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Until a few months ago, I hadn't talked to anyone from straight in about 10 yrs. I think I may know where 1 or 2 people are, but that's it and 1 of them someone on this board has already been in touch with recently.
Where there's a will, there's a way. :idea:
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Until a few months ago, I hadn't talked to anyone from straight in about 10 yrs. I think I may know where 1 or 2 people are, but that's it and 1 of them someone on this board has already been in touch with recently.
Where there's a will, there's a way. :idea:
Where there is a will, there is a way !
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i think this is a cool idea......i'm from this area and i mean right close.....i only lived 10-15 minutes from the building.....the only thing i might add to the idea,but its up to you,is that i'll get permission for us to carry it out w/o the fairfax police bothering us! these cops are all over the place...the last i heard about enough cop cars to cover many many blocks of the county....! 2 cop cars a block......i don't think it would do any of us any good to be exploited as a bunch of buffoons to the papers......fucked up after all these years.....not only that,a lot of us might be holding also.....i know i might for this occasion! shit kristin stottlemeyer and i graduated together...we were the only ones to do so that night.......i remember steve mathews......i was 7 stepped but i still saw him in group when i came in...bill burns was a good friend of mine too........the building is private property....owned by a lighting and interior bussiness.....all i have to do is go in and ask them if its cool for us to carry out the ceremony.....i don't see why they won't let us do it......we won't be harming thier property.....i don't know....ol' billy clinton passed that law "1,2,3 strikes and you're out"....i have like 5 strike right now...that was before the law was made,but i'm sure the way crap is now,i'd go away rather quickly in the night with a christmas tree car taking me to jail.....lol.....no shit......just let me know....for those of you that were wondering where ive been,i'm sorry,i just had to "clear" my head a little and settle down some.......well,thats my observation.....cool idea,but i think it needs a safer approach so none of us make NEWTON look good,thats all.....hippie
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I don't really think that I've seen anyone say that they weren't going to do this? I think what people are trying to say is now that several people have agreed and said that they would come, it's time to figure out the best way to do it. I believe that Pirate even said that he want's to do it?! I'm sure that Dragonfly, who started this whole thing is all for it, I know that I will definately be there. I think the larger questions - and please feel free to add your input here - is how do we get in touch with more people to tell them about this? Until a few months ago, I hadn't talked to anyone from straight in about 10 yrs. I think I may know where 1 or 2 people are, but that's it and 1 of them someone on this board has already been in touch with recently. So, since you are in such doubt that we will be there, tell us, will you? Do you know how to get in touch with anyone? Can you help?[/quote] :D
:D[/quote]
Nope. won't be there, won't help. Wishing you good luck
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I don't really think that I've seen anyone say that they weren't going to do this? I think what people are trying to say is now that several people have agreed and said that they would come, it's time to figure out the best way to do it. I believe that Pirate even said that he want's to do it?! I'm sure that Dragonfly, who started this whole thing is all for it, I know that I will definately be there. I think the larger questions - and please feel free to add your input here - is how do we get in touch with more people to tell them about this? Until a few months ago, I hadn't talked to anyone from straight in about 10 yrs. I think I may know where 1 or 2 people are, but that's it and 1 of them someone on this board has already been in touch with recently. So, since you are in such doubt that we will be there, tell us, will you? Do you know how to get in touch with anyone? Can you help?[/quote] :D
:D[/quote] I 4 1 am glad. I may have kissed u !
Nope. won't be there, won't help. Wishing you good luck[/quote]
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Hippie, If you want someone to go with you, I'd go (just call me and let me know when). I shake everytime I pass that building but, it's all good. If you want, I can try and look into the Fairfax County Police situation and see what the deal is, just let me know. I think this is a good idea, I just don't want to see it go bad.
I think the first order of business would be to firmly nail down a date in November.....Dragonfly, do you have a date that you were thinking about in particular? I live and work very close to the building so none of this is a biggie for me......Just let me know....thanks....frootloop
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Tell them there are going to be a lot of people with weed there and to please not bust us....Frank.
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Tell them there are going to be a lot of people with weed there and to please not bust us....Frank.
Sure Frank.....Yeah RIGHT....LOL. :rofl:
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Froot, are you gonna keep your avatar the same as Steve's? Yeah, tell 'em...I'm sure they'll be undertstanding about it...frank.
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Froot, are you gonna keep your avatar the same as Steve's? Yeah, tell 'em...I'm sure they'll be undertstanding about it...frank.
The ? b r u ?
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The ? b r u ?
Logging in isn't as easy now (It used to be you could just login as you're posting; now it requires doing so before going thru the motions of replying) so I apologize for the inconvenience...Frank.
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The ? b r u ?
Logging in isn't as easy now (It used to be you could just login as you're posting; now it requires doing so before going thru the motions of replying) so I apologize for the inconvenience...Frank.
No apologies! 8)
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Ok here it is (am not suprised). Staightlings decide to organize have an event or protest or shindig, or whatever. Then they find out "oh, no, this might take some effort, or work" and then they back down and say, no, lets make a video so we don't have to actually organize anything. Yeah, yeah, let's be lazyasses.
Doubt anything will actuallyget done. go figure. :rofl:
Yeah, couldn't be that people have lives. Coiuldn't be that peopel are busy raising kids, helping out w/ grandkids, running a business etc. Couldn't be that for some of us it's just not our kind of thing.
And it couldn't possibly be that some people have no desire to run into people like you. Nah, couldn't be any of those things. :roll:
Hope it works out well for all those participating.
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Hippie, If you want someone to go with you, I'd go (just call me and let me know when). I shake everytime I pass that building but, it's all good. If you want, I can try and look into the Fairfax County Police situation and see what the deal is, just let me know. I think this is a good idea, I just don't want to see it go bad.
I think the first order of business would be to firmly nail down a date in November.....Dragonfly, do you have a date that you were thinking about in particular? I live and work very close to the building so none of this is a biggie for me......Just let me know....thanks....frootloop
Froot/Hippie - I've already gone to tbe building & talked to the folks at Ferguson - both the sales manager & the branch manager. I did this last week & they are totaly cool with us going there and doing this - as long as it is not during their business hours. They are cool with this.
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Don't forget to tell the police NOT to come.. Frank.
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Hippie, If you want someone to go with you, I'd go (just call me and let me know when). I shake everytime I pass that building but, it's all good. If you want, I can try and look into the Fairfax County Police situation and see what the deal is, just let me know. I think this is a good idea, I just don't want to see it go bad.
I think the first order of business would be to firmly nail down a date in November.....Dragonfly, do you have a date that you were thinking about in particular? I live and work very close to the building so none of this is a biggie for me......Just let me know....thanks....frootloop
Maybe we all three can go ?
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4...L'NF, Hip, froot, Steve.....sure, sounds like a winner to me....
Cool
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Hippie, If you want someone to go with you, I'd go (just call me and let me know when). I shake everytime I pass that building but, it's all good. If you want, I can try and look into the Fairfax County Police situation and see what the deal is, just let me know. I think this is a good idea, I just don't want to see it go bad.
I think the first order of business would be to firmly nail down a date in November.....Dragonfly, do you have a date that you were thinking about in particular? I live and work very close to the building so none of this is a biggie for me......Just let me know....thanks....frootloop
Froot/Hippie - I've already gone to tbe building & talked to the folks at Ferguson - both the sales manager & the branch manager. I did this last week & they are totaly cool with us going there and doing this - as long as it is not during their business hours. They are cool with this.
When do they close ?
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Don't forget to tell the police NOT to come.. Frank.
"Hi Mr. Po Po man, we're going to be loitering, please leave us alone" LMAO
It's a good point. Once the date get closer, I'll go back to Ferguson and make sure this is all still OK with them, perhaps try to get it in writing as well and talk to the "fuzz"
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Hippie, If you want someone to go with you, I'd go (just call me and let me know when). I shake everytime I pass that building but, it's all good. If you want, I can try and look into the Fairfax County Police situation and see what the deal is, just let me know. I think this is a good idea, I just don't want to see it go bad.
I think the first order of business would be to firmly nail down a date in November.....Dragonfly, do you have a date that you were thinking about in particular? I live and work very close to the building so none of this is a biggie for me......Just let me know....thanks....frootloop
Froot/Hippie - I've already gone to tbe building & talked to the folks at Ferguson - both the sales manager & the branch manager. I did this last week & they are totaly cool with us going there and doing this - as long as it is not during their business hours. They are cool with this.
When do they close ?
they close at 5pm M-F & 3pm on Sat
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cool...thats one less thing i have to deal with.....hippie
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On 2006-06-23 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm in. For both the memorial and then getting sloppy drunk after!
::cheers:: ::cheers::
BYOTBPITW
:smokin:
I'll be raising a fuckin' glass of ALCOHOL to Steve Matthews during the ceremony!! :skull: :skull:
Back 2 the top !
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We should hire a psychic, preferably a recent immigrant who doesn't speak the language and never heard of Straight. See, then they could go in the Ferguson's and enter a trance state and clear up any historical disputes. Then they can take care of all the ghosts and send them back where they belong. Then I predict Ferguson's will notice a significant difference in their input/output/margin. This will make The National Enquirer and also probably The Economist, which is great news for survivors anywhere. I personally am conducting an internet search for a reliable psychic, wgbtu.
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Don't forget to tell the police NOT to come.. Frank.
"Hi Mr. Po Po man, we're going to be loitering, please leave us alone" LMAO
It's a good point. Once the date get closer, I'll go back to Ferguson and make sure this is all still OK with them, perhaps try to get it in writing as well and talk to the "fuzz"
I can smell them already !
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Don't forget to tell the police NOT to come.. Frank.
"Hi Mr. Po Po man, we're going to be loitering, please leave us alone" LMAO
It's a good point. Once the date get closer, I'll go back to Ferguson and make sure this is all still OK with them, perhaps try to get it in writing as well and talk to the "fuzz"
I can smell them already !
Smell them a MILE away.
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Indeed. :wave:
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We should hire a psychic, preferably a recent immigrant who doesn't speak the language and never heard of Straight. See, then they could go in the Ferguson's and enter a trance state and clear up any historical disputes. Then they can take care of all the ghosts and send them back where they belong. Then I predict Ferguson's will notice a significant difference in their input/output/margin. This will make The National Enquirer and also probably The Economist, which is great news for survivors anywhere. I personally am conducting an internet search for a reliable psychic, wgbtu.
Man, u have it all plannred out ! (((lol)))
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BSTEVE0044/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BSTEVE0044/)
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I Hate Black Porn Spam !
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I would like to come to this. was at Springfield (85-87) Let me know when you have a date--------------Dave Hall
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bumpin it back up to the top.
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a memorial service BUMP
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Don't worry none ya'll...someone gave me a new, well, not really "new", but only 4 years old (spoken in the computer voice of Stephen Hawking) computer. Before the end of the Universe ... The program will die.
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first Saturday of November, 11 AM
Please send me your email address if you would like to be a part of the organizing and visioning process.
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Hey DF my friend...How many people so far has stated their intrest in participation??
I forgot to log in ......duh....Doc Slow
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Hey DF my friend...How many people so far has stated their intrest in participation??
I forgot to log in ......duh....Doc Slow
Plenty ....
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first Saturday of November, 11 AM
Please send me your email address if you would like to be a part of the organizing and visioning process.
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[email protected]
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when you say "victims of Straight" what do exactly do you mean?
I'd mean anyone who was ever in there, but I think the memorial is for those folks who have passed on, possibly due to their reactions from the Straight mindfuck.
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i'll go DF.....3 weeks or so ago,i pissed on the building......right where everyone entered it.....lol.....hip
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first Saturday of November, 11 AM
Please send me your email address if you would like to be a part of the organizing and visioning process.
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[email protected]
your email address is not valid
Your mom's not valid... :D
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i'll go DF.....3 weeks or so ago,i pissed on the building......right where everyone entered it.....lol.....hip
Nice work; makes me almost wish that Straight, Inc was still operating there.
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Nice work; makes me almost wish that Straight, Inc was still operating there
omg....can you imagine?.....lol.....hip
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i ate at the mcdonalds across from the bui8lding this morning and envisioned who would show up for a rally.
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It used to be hardees, and "phasers" were honored to be able to have permission from staff to go buy french fries for them. I wondered who would show up for an event like that? i wondered if i would? i wondered where everyone was? I wondered where matt pissed on the building? Lastly, i wonderd how many incidents fergusson plumbing has had to deal with because of the building's former occupant and if they got a discounted lease rate for that?
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... i wonderd how many incidents fergusson plumbing has had to deal with because of the building's former occupant and if they got a discounted lease rate for that?
I know...I've been wondering the same thing for a while now... :rofl:
I live a couple hundred miles from that ol' warehouse, but I went and visited it once, in '95.
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I took a big fat shit out in front of it once...felt DAMN good.
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I took a big fat shit out in front of it once...felt DAMN good.
really??? So did my dog albert. His was a fat steamer out in the parking lot of the Morgan Yacht building. He got a nice milk bone for that one.
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really??? So did my dog albert. His was a fat steamer out in the parking lot of the Morgan Yacht building. He got a nice milk bone for that one
lol.....thats a funny one......good dog!....no, i pissed on the door and the area that we entered into from the gravel parking lot......you know what would be a gas? as john lennon would say "why don't we do it in the road...er,um, parking lot".......if we have this memorial service,it would be real cool to have a "love in" there as well....i think that would heal a lot of ppl........well,it would heal me anyways....wierd?...yeah,but wtf?......it would give me a different memory than i have of the place anyways...i could smile everytime i'm in my home area and pass it......just a thought....hip
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PM me with the date; I might like to go... thnx for the reminder!
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What? What's up? Hmm.. It's not April Fools Day...
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Sorry about that.. that whole "your mom" thing has been a sort of running joke on here over recent months...I didn't mean it... Sorry if I was out of line with that.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I need the reassurance that the plan is perfect and unreasonable and irreversible and the most urgent and immediate course of action is to realize a dream say of for instance a violent revelatory dream of lead-pipes and chains and switchblades of light and obscene conical hoods etc.
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I need the reassurance that the plan is perfect and unreasonable and irreversible and the most urgent and immediate course of action is to realize a dream say of for instance a violent revelatory dream of lead-pipes and chains and switchblades of light and obscene conical hoods etc.
ok, I'll reassure you what you said
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doves covering my chest their excrement smeared on my thighs fistfuls of feathers walking arms outstretched disrupting ethnic festivals funeral processions political speeches department store grand-openings
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doves covering my chest their excrement smeared on my thighs fistfuls of feathers walking arms outstretched disrupting ethnic festivals funeral processions political speeches department store grand-openings
Where are the links?
:lol:
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I crave teachback dynamite under my railroad bridge. I will be derailed and the schedules will be defamed. The wound on my abdomen from the train accident resembles the crab nebula. More signals from space. More marionette paranoia. Teachback is king and it's at your back door holding your fantastic fears of possession penetration mutilation transcendence wealth stability. It will take you in its inhuman hands and tenderly forcefully squeeze until you talk confess sing greet yourself. It's about self-deconstruction. Learning what you are made of. It's about getting beyond bed. Walking until your feet bleed so you'll know you that you can walk until your feet bleed. We'll make other impressions before our bones align in the soil or we snake out of crematorium smokestacks or our shadows are flash burned into the walls of our hometowns.
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You program computers so we have a sort of knife fight until we put our tongues inside one another instead i.e. the hierarchies are an illusion as are all linear lateral pyramidal vertical concepts of progress ascension and redemption.
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TEACHBACK: prelude to metamorphosis. You could flog yourself of course on teachback day (April 1st) cuz we're all friends here and we Won't judge you ever. And sure there's castration. Boiling point frustration multiplied by impatient impulse panic and religious atmosphere I said watch out. Blues falling down like anvils. Teachback is yours. The TRANSLATORS injected it in me. The gestation was long and hard it's here now. take it. It's in the drinking water and in your dream catalog if you've read this far. Time to act accordingly. Our parade is lost. Our ritual dangerous if you choose. Plant a tulip bulb. Read to a child. Get along. Anchors away.
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All crude primitive perfections have been dispersed and we are marooned here in a city of iron beds and sexual aptitude and hollow poetry and latent cowardice and revenge and status. I need the teachback bath.
I need the reassurance that the plan is perfect and unreasonable and irreversible and the most urgent and immediate course of action is to realize a dream say of for instance a violent revelatory dream of lead-pipes and chains and switchblades of light and obscene conical hoods etc.
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Oh
The Need
To kick it in
To fuck it all up
To bring it down
The White Room
No windows no doors
A live broadcast
From inside the cube
I'm sitting
On a pile of limbs
My teacher's limbs
My classmates' limbs
I stare down the lens
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I think the memorial service should be nixed. Its a bad idea.
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There is too much to remember and not much to understand--A shivering sunbeam will grant anyone the fierce beard of foam and trumpet music from the throat and fists that strike for neither food nor revenge but in our learned obedience and ingrained courtesy we often deflect the amoral current that deals us the action of blameless disaster--To be sane is cherished--To be paid in full is reversed--The sheer saliva herding opinion and outcry
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I bought a book of knots And the potential for new obsession Is so exciting That I'm preoccupied with shaping a manifesto So that when I'm arrested I can justify this pointless intensity That I bear
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any thoughts on nixing the whole idea?
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Numerically speaking we are given twelves in a volume of red with green skin the fur of which is a monetary loop spending in on itself in balanced bankrupt feedback--Praise the unobserved--1 billion grace--The first to know will be the last to know in the mirror of these words
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The syphilitic steam of beckoning billboards curl around us with reflecting advertising--Coaxing the murder of music--Expressing a weave of avenues--Anointing our eyes with sterile airspace--With each step smashing the eggs that constitute our savior--Fucking like shameless comets skipping past the sun
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longest run on sentence i ever heard......
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i thought you said smashing the eggs that made our caviar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Teen Pig is an urban adolescent His complexion of margarine is wet and waxy His stride like a budding creator/destroyer A baggie full of killerweed in his left hand A pipebomb in his righteous frostbite fist He jerks off in traffic jams He crashes parties He blacks out He foreshadows his adult life Reading firearms magazines His conscience is locked in a storage bin
His point is this:
"I'm the rumpled infant casualty of the sexual revolution The drug explosion The computer age The broken home The nuclear phantom I hate art and I hate you"
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I think the memorial service should be nixed. Its a bad idea.
Why???
If there turns out to be enough of a media presence I'm considering offing myself on camera in the name of Straight Survivors! ::stab::
Can't do too much for the cause, can you???
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not for a second. I love life and would never support your lame-assed cry for a friend. If you do off yourself, for god sakes, in the memory of those that suffered...at least use a spork!
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not for a second. I love life and would never support your lame-assed cry for a friend. If you do off yourself, for god sakes, in the memory of those that suffered...at least use a spork!
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Or you could pull the old chris poole method of death invitation, and just hold your breath. I would not hold your breath waiting for that one to work. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Has chris poole disappeared forever?????????????????????
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There are a few things I've been wonderin'...
Is the media gonna be invited too, or what is the situation with that ?? Whether or not the media is invited or otherwise covers the story, I think we should document it on video ourselves. Who is capable of doing a good job of that ?? maybe a still photographer too. I gotta photographer buddy who might be interested in covering the event. He aint a survivor, but he's a good friend and a pro. I'll talk to him.
I don't see why we need to talk to the fuzz about any of this, but I think it might be a good idea to get the permission to use Fergusons' space in writing, or something, as someone suggested earlier, just in case the heat does show and tries to break all their fuzz-jive down on us. At least we would have something in writing to show them. I really don't want the cops there, or for them to even know about this at all.
Are any of the other programs gonna take part, besides Springfield ?? FLA survivors ?? Doc ?? Dallas kids ?? Combat zone punks(Boston) ?? etc. 'Cause right now we are preparin' to send out the invite and I'm kinda thinkin' if we're gonna do the multiple sites/simultaneous service thing then the invitations themselves should be program specific and we Springfield survivors shouldn't be sending out our invitations to St.Pete survivors, only to Springfield or survivors of other programs who are not having a local service of their own, that is unless we're just gonna have the one lone ceremony in Springfield for all survivors nationwide. See what I'm tryin' to get at here ?? We don't want a St. Pete or Boston or Atlanta or whatever survivor to get caught holdin non-refundable airline tickets to Dulles Airport because he made his travel arrangements a day after he recieved our invitation, if theres gonna be a more local memorial service specifically for his program. I don't know, doesn't that make sense ?? So if you're plannin' your own, program specific memorial service, down there in St.Pete or Atlanta or up in Boston or Detroit speak up now and let us know so we don't send invitations that are just gonna create trouble for people. Or how should we handle this ?? 'Cause otherwise the invitation is chompin to get out the gate. Actually this is pr'oly all too complicated and we will just have ta send out the invitation we have to ever'one and hope for the best.
Where can we have the after party(wake) ?? Who in the Springfield area is willing to host out of town survivors ??
This is happening. The invitation is finalized and ready to go out to several hundred people. We need people to verify death records so we can be sure we have accurate information. We don't want to read someones' name off the list of the dead and then find them standing in our midst. Dig ?? Anyone who can provide verification of a death or suicide please do so and send it to Dragonfly or myself. I am particularly thinking of Dale Neville and Greg Northrup who were not on any of the lists. We also don't want to leave anyone off the list who should be on it. How and where can we find accurate information ?? Who will help ?? For example: I've heard that Ir* Kauffman commmitted suicide after $tr8, but have never seen any proof, only a rumor.
What other questions need to be addressed ?? What else do we need to consider ??
Sorry...I just thought I'd better ask...
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Are any of the other programs gonna take part, besides Springfield ?? FLA survivors ??
Yes, plans are underway for a simultaneous memorial service in St. Petersburg. The current occupier of the building that housed Straight is not willing to let their property be used for a memorial service, so an alternate site is being selected, we are in the process of finding out if permits will be needed, and if so, securing one.
The date and time of the St. Petersburg memorial service will be the same as the service in Virginia, the location will be announced sometime this week. Thank you for asking, tis is a good opportunity to clear that up, and , like you said, it would really be unfortunate if someone were to buy non-refundable tickets and then find out that there is going to be a memorial closer to the location they attended. This service is not limited to those who endured the St. Petersburg Straight, all survivors of any branch of Straight, Inc. are welcome, particularly survivors of other Florida Straight programs in Sarasota and Orlando.
Thanks again for bringing this up, now is as good a time as any to announce that a memorial will be held in St. Petersburg on the same date and at the same time. The location should be confirmed this week.
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Kick Ass!!!
Are you in communication with Dragonfly about the date ?? because he is in the process of figuring that out right now and wants to get the invite out A.S.A.P.
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Yes, been corresponding with DF about it pretty regularly......
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Please be sure to let us know when, I would love to go...
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We don't want to read someones' name off the list of the dead and then find them standing in our midst.
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Yes, plans are underway for a simultaneous memorial service in St. Petersburg. The current occupier of the building that housed Straight is not willing to let their property be used for a memorial service, so an alternate site is being selected, we are in the process of finding out if permits will be needed, and if so, securing one.
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This is probably a good idea anyway. There were several buildings used in St. Pete. Morgan Yacht, Gandy and at least one other.
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There are a few things I've been wonderin'...
Is the media gonna be invited too, or what is the situation with that ?? ...
God I hope not. I thought this was supposed to be a private gig, not a protest or for any purpose other than honoring and saying goodbye to old friends. I really would be sorry to see this turned into something else.
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There are a few things I've been wonderin'...
Is the media gonna be invited too, or what is the situation with that ?? ...
God I hope not. I thought this was supposed to be a private gig, not a protest or for any purpose other than honoring and saying goodbye to old friends. I really would be sorry to see this turned into something else.
Yeah. But we should have someone there whose sole purpose is to document the event on video and/or stills. Then maybe we could set up a memorial website, just an idea.
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I'd like to sell some T-shirts at this event since it didn't pan out the last time.
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That works for me. There are other times to generate publicity. I just thought it should remain private. Documenting it for our own purposes, great. :tup:
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I think one invitation that mentions all the events is ok...
Yeah, like Maybe list the different venues at the bottom of the invite instead of at the top ???
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well, I would somehow like something documented...
But when I try to imagine being there and hearing someone's father talking about how his was after Straight Incorporated, how he struggled and finally killed himself, how his family has grieved ever since...
When I put myself in that man's shoes I don't want any cameras or video tape or reporters..
But maybe it won't be that kind of service, I don't know what people need or want for this event, so I can't really see how appropriate it would be to record. Maybe we play it by ear, I have an idea for the schedule, but who knows what could really happen.
I understand. I still think there should be some documentation. Maybe filming the whole thing wouldn't be appropriate. Maybe there could be a part of the ceremony, maybe right in the middle when we could turn off the camera so people will feel comfortable speaking of their personal loss.
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We do not intend to invite the media to the St. Petersburg memorial service, other than announcing the memorial in the calendar of events sections of local newspapers, and possibly on public radio. Again, we would like to stress that all survivors of all branches of Straight, Inc. are welcome, this is not limited to St. Petersburg survivors.
The location of the St. Petersburg memorial service will be announced in the next few days, we sincerely hope that all who wish to attend will do so.
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we would like to stress that all survivors of all branches of Straight, Inc. are welcome, this is not limited to St. Petersburg survivors.
Same goes for the Springfield service. All survivors, and their supporters/friends, loved ones are more than welcome.
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without a doubt, friends and loved ones of survivors and nonsurviving victims of Straight are welcome to attend
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I'll be raising a fuckin' glass of ALCOHOL to Steve Matthews during the ceremony!! :skull: :skull:
As Will I, As Will I! ::cheers::
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That sounds like a toast I don't wanta miss...
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The site for the St. Petersburg memorial service for victims of Straight, Inc. will be held on the Gulf Pier at Fort DeSoto Park at 6PM on November 11, 2006.
Here is a link to a map of St. Petersburg/Pinellas County; Fort DeSoto Park is the southernmost point on the map.
http://www.pinellascounty.org/park/ParkMap_v2.htm (http://www.pinellascounty.org/park/ParkMap_v2.htm)
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I would like to attend the Springfield memorial have any dates for this been set ?
Tom S
Straight springfield 86~88
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I think we should invite Miller and Ruthie to the memorial.
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Just imagine, an "ask Dr. Fucktard" T-shirt, autographed by Dr. Fucktard himself.....
I think for the sake of the tone of the event, maybe we could hold off on breaking out the Dr Fucktard T-shirts until Afterwards?
We can all go visit Miller and Ruthie after memorial. Sure they'd be so happy to see all of you and be in complete amazement that you're all alive and not in Prison...
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this will never happen. a lot of talk talk talk.....
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Anyone is St. Pete that needs a ride, please PM me.
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So how many of you will be there? all 5 of you? just like all the protestes I am sure it will be mobbed by the Press....NOT! Nobody else gives a shit get it?
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Fuck you, nigger.
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not a protest, NO press. I don't care if no one else gives a shit. I'll be there to remember a few friends, even if I'm the only one. :smokin: ::cheers::
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you won't be...
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So how many of you will be there? all 5 of you? just like all the protestes I am sure it will be mobbed by the Press....NOT! Nobody else gives a shit get it?
You are welcome to attend either service.
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Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
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Right, I get the "confront your fears" and "put it all behind you" pop-psych type reasoning...and no offense, but I say TO HELL WITH IT! If this is supposed to be a memorial then let it be a memorial and not some nightmare trip down memory lane.....having this at 5515 would be analogous to some Jewish people having a memorial service at Dachau!
Burke Lake Park (for instance) sounds infinitely better than doing this thing near THE BUILDING...
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I think Jewish people do have memorial services at Dachau. Anyway I like the idea of havin' the service at Burke Lake. That's one 'a' my ol' druggie hang-outs and the place I was tryin' to run to when I bolted from my oldcomer on my first day. Maybe we should move the service to Burke Lake. That would remove the uncertainty of gathering on private property altogether. How late does the park stay open ?? Maybe someone in Fairfax Co. could look into it....would we need a permit ?? etc.
Yeah, thanks Frank...I like the sound of the park much better than the building...
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I have to ask.. So, didn't Phasers take outings at Burke Lake? That's kinda creepy.. :-? LOL.
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Phasers also went to schools, churches, shopping centers, and other events, as well as "permissions" to the lake. Although I understand and sympathize with those who do not wish to have the memorial at the scene of the crime, I think that NOT having the memorial service at the lake because "phasers went on outings there" is knuckling under, depriving ourselves of our freedom to go wherever we wish and assemble there peaceably. Denying ourselves our right to go somewhere for that kind of reason would be allowing Straight to have too much influence in our lives, which is in essence, exactly what we are both mourning (for those that Straight influenced to the point of death) and hopefully, beginning to heal.
Personally, I'd like to have the memorial on Mel Sembler's or Miller Newton's front lawn, if I didn't have enough respect for our dead to keep me from wanting to besmirch a solemn occasion such as this by having it in close proximity to either of those vile and disgusting criminal child abusers.
Which brings me to another point I would like to add---This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual, and psychological. I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know. This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world. It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score: The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead; these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality". These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively, inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused. I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward, minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings. I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].
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woah! Horsey. Stop the drama! I never said.. don't have it there! It's just a memory that belongs to me and I was asking if it was an accurate one..... See, I remember other places too; malls, and other places. As I was posting that.. Potomac Mills and Cameron Run came to mind.. Walt Witman and etc came to mind (all creepy places to me). I suppose when you spent so much time Not doing what Phasers did... You tend to take note of the things you're not going to go out of your way to do in life This aside, I would still be there, I never said I wouldn't because of any choosen place. I was just amused for a moment that the place being discussed was a very specific place that Outings were given.... ROFL. It was a Straight approved outing site..was it not? Member, I was asking.... LOL
I see, I am easily amused :P
I agree w/ you tho.. The Sembler's lawn, Newton Church is ideal :P I was also thinking of places like.. The rehab L3slie Murd3n spews her poison at still today(what an ideal place to remember those who suffered), Mel Riddl3s High School, Dr.Pug's Office ......
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Sorry, that was me.
Anyhow, none of those places were the scene of the crime, as I never got any outings... cept that 1 Doctor's office visit. They are just creepy places to me, lol.. Like Hard33's Ick..
*edit spelling! who'da guessed!
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great post rtp. I'd like to have a drink with you sometime.
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great post rtp. I'd like to have a drink with you sometime.
Thanks, Pirate. I wouldn't mind knockin' back a few wih you sometime. What's your poison?
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Potomac Mills and Cameron Run came to mind.. Walt Witman and etc came to mind (all creepy places to me).
Please if you have any ideas of some potentially good places to have it (preferably ones that don't require a fee) feel free to make suggestions!
I'm not all that familiar with the VA area.
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Phasers also went to schools, churches, shopping centers, and other events, as well as "permissions" to the lake. Although I understand and sympathize with those who do not wish to have the memorial at the scene of the crime, I think that NOT having the memorial service at the lake because "phasers went on outings there" is knuckling under, depriving ourselves of our freedom to go wherever we wish and assemble there peaceably. Denying ourselves our right to go somewhere for that kind of reason would be allowing Straight to have too much influence in our lives, which is in essence, exactly what we are both mourning (for those that Straight influenced to the point of death) and hopefully, beginning to heal.
Personally, I'd like to have the memorial on Mel Sembler's or Miller Newton's front lawn, if I didn't have enough respect for our dead to keep me from wanting to besmirch a solemn occasion such as this by having it in close proximity to either of those vile and disgusting criminal child abusers.
Which brings me to another point I would like to add---This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual, and psychological. I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know. This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world. It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score: The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead; these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality". These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively, inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused. I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward, minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings. I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].
:tup: :tup: Very well put.
See ya there!
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great post rtp. I'd like to have a drink with you sometime.
Thanks, Pirate. I wouldn't mind knockin' back a few with you sometime. What's your poison?
Well, the most powerful poison I ever took was a woman. Luckily she came with an antidote too...the trouble though, was in telling the poison from the medicine...they both taste so good. :wink:
Women(the curvy, teasin', voluptuous kind)...
Drink(over-proof Jamaican rum and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale)...
And song(hard humorous blues about endlessly sufferin for a curvy, voluptuous, tease),
....Women, drink and song...rtp,...women, drink and song... :rofl: ... ::hatter::
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It's settled then--we'll have a few rum runners at a blues bar on ladies night....
RTP2003
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That sounds good...I'll come down to FLA sometime...
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sounds cool, welcome any time.
rtp2k3
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yes yes post your ideas! i liked them and it may spawn some other stuff too!
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as long as that fucker sherman doesn't makethevent, then it should be a success. Keep Tyler and Monroe home too.
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Fuck you.
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Ha.. you'd like that, wouldn't you?
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as long as that fucker sherman doesn't makethevent, then it should be a success. Keep Tyler and Monroe home too.
What the fuck do you care? You won't be there.
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This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual, and psychological. I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know. This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world. It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score: The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead; these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality". These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively, inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused. I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward, minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings. I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].
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Also, I'm wondering what folks want to happen at the service.
Flaming Zambokas shots!!
Lighting the flame of those who's flame is out and shining a light for those hurt & lost!
Burke Lake Park closes at dark (all regional & national parks do). I think there are a few places near Great Falls that are public property & not a part of the park. However, that sort of worries me (this is the mom in me) about people possibly drinking near a rapid running river. I see bad things happing there. However, if we did this at a park, we could do it during the day time and not a night/6pm after the sun has gone down.
I for one would love to NOT do this at the building. Being there last time when talking to the Fergesun people was rather creepy. If that's where everyone decides to go, then so be it - I'll be there.
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I want to memorialize other drug war victims, such as Tom Crossslin and Rollie Rohm, who didn't even really see it coming. They had faith that, as free soverign Americans, we can and must stand up for ourselves and what's right and do it right in front of our children. I think they knew full well that they were risking their very lives, especially there toward the end. But I think they also were counting on us, who know the truth, to see what happened to them and to take the message that it's time to wake the fuck up!
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=214490#214490 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=214490#214490)
http://rainbowfarmcamp.com/ (http://rainbowfarmcamp.com/)
Michigan is an important territory in this war, and we have some grass roots support if we'll just recognize each other and commune with each other on our natural common ground. Mich is one of the states wherein DFAF is spending some millions of our stolen earnings (public funding) to fight against good Americans.
http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=194 (http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=194)
Don't let anybody dis you ever about your station in life or relative place in society. These are the biggest, most worthless welfare mamas out there! And they shouldn't be able to get away with slaughtering good men like Tom and Rollie like cur dogs right in front of God and everybody.
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I hear ya Ant. but I think we need to just focus on the "victims of $tr8 memorial service" right now, which is becoming tricky enough on it's own.
Fairfax county is thus far unwilling to accomodate our request to gather after sunset in any of its' public parks and a candlelight vigil before dark just aint gonna cut it. We're running out of options as far as the location goes. I understand that some folks don't wanta come to the building but unless someone in the local area volunteers to have it on their private property then the building is our only option. We are still open to suggestions but the time is starting to get a little tight.
The other point I want to make is that the Jews hold memorial services at the former concentration camps(and even have a museum at one that I know of) because that is where the tradgedy occurred, same with the Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor, and the Oklahoma city bombing. Nothing focuses the spirit like the site of a tradgedy. Nothing would bring it home or make it more real(all too real for some, I understand) than to hold the service in the former parking lot of the building. Of course, even in the other examples I gave, not everyone can handle the emotions that may arise from being at the scene of such tradgedies. There are probably many survivors of those events who do not attend memorials at those sites.
We are trying as best we can to accomodate all the surviors who want to attend the service, which is why we have been trying to find some other site besides the building, but so far our search hasn't panned out.
In addition to finding an appropriate site for the memorial we are still looking for a place to throw the after-party/wake. If you have any ideas or suggestions or would like to host either or both please let us know.
respectfully, pirate.
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Oh! And L'n'F what was that you were saying about some public property near Great Falls that aint part of the park ?? Would it be conducive to a sunset candle-light vigil/gathering(assuming that no-one got drunk and fell into the river) ?? If it's not under the authority of the Fairfax county parks and rec. dept. then what authority would we have to approach to find out about it ?? Would you be willing to look into that a little more so we can try to figure this out as soon as possible ??
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Oh! And L'n'F what was that you were saying about some public property near Great Falls that aint part of the park ?? Would it be conducive to a sunset candle-light vigil/gathering(assuming that no-one got drunk and fell into the river) ?? If it's not under the authority of the Fairfax county parks and rec. dept. then what authority would we have to approach to find out about it ?? Would you be willing to look into that a little more so we can try to figure this out as soon as possible ??
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I actually already went by there today. Apparently, the memory is not quite what it use to be - either that or the county bought that piece of land too as it is now part of the park authority.
What about the reflecting pool in DC?
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DF and I talked about that last night. I don't know...?? Maybe we'll have to check it out. I'm startin' to think our original plan was the best...just have it at the building...that's where it should be anyway, if you ask me, but I'm willing to have it somewhere else if another appropriate location can be secured.
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Let's have it at the monument!
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Just get the goddamn thing going---I got it together for the St. Pete site, and I'm all kinda fucked up--If I can do it, you can.
Seriously, it ain't that hard to do, I got faith in yoiu fucks, I think it can happen if ya want it to.....
Just call the goddamn parks dept. for the appropriate county or municipality and it ain't that big a deal......
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Let's have it in some black neighborhood in D.C. Those are some of the friendliest negroids I've ever met!
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Just get the goddamn thing going---I got it together for the St. Pete site, and I'm all kinda fucked up--If I can do it, you can.
Seriously, it ain't that hard to do, I got faith in yoiu fucks, I think it can happen if ya want it to.....
Just call the goddamn parks dept. for the appropriate county or municipality and it ain't that big a deal......
... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:...o.-o.-o.-k. Thanx we're on it. :roll: ... :rofl:
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:rofl: Yenz are killin' me... :rofl:
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Didn't mean to offend anyone, I';m just drunk as fuck right now (and when I last posted, too......)
Just saying, it's not that hard to do, it just takes a lil bit o planning, and wilingness to deal with a lil bit of red tape, but nothing insurmountable. Just find out who runs the damn place, tell 'em you wanna have a memorial for departed friends and loved ones, and it's generally cool. Not a big deal in the eyes of the folks that run the place, just tell 'em where and when and they will generally accommodate you. Nothing to it but to do it......,
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Didn't mean to offend anyone, I';m just drunk as fuck right now (and when I last posted, too......)
Oh! none taken my friend...I just get a kick outta people, myself included...
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DFAF is located in St. Petersburg
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Frank, any ideas about location?
If nothing else pans out, have it at the building- I'll just double up the dosages.
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any chance of having it at a local hospital, homeless shelter, crisis center, maybe at an ~old folks home or like fire dept? All of these places normally have some kinda meeting area: inside or out. Is there a Decent reahab/day treatment or church who might be close and willing? Someplace that it may do some good for us and others outside of us (reminding them what good quality cares means and what bad care can do: in an indirect way) would be meaningful, imo.
Anywhere is ok w/me, I do think I'll be there, depending on my recovery.. and ability to drive and stuff.
Sorry if that is all really silly, but Im on Drugs! I had my surgery (after waiting 4yrs), yesterday! :D
WD
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I wanted to add, I have heard of people getting 20+ saplings from the DNR for memorials.. Would anyone be interested in having a sapling/tree sprout... to plant at home or some chosen location? I can call around to find out where they get them, as usually they are free.
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WD, I'm so glad to know that you're finally gettin' what you've been needin'for so long.
I was talkin' to Webdiva last night and she suggested we could hold the service at some retreat or something...like not to get religious or nothin' but if we could find some kind of friendly church or Buddhist retreat type place maybe they would be sympathetic. Some place with a peaceful, natural setting.
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Is there a camp ground close? That may be a god idea, so no one has to drive home also.
There is one I think would welcome us for even a weekend and be very conducive to our wants and needs, But it is a Pagan/eclectic held safe land. I do know they allow all types of people of any religious or non religious backgrounds to take use of this sacred safe sapce, but alas it is near Hancock Md. (pretty far from Springfield). But still may be a good idea for anyone who may want to gather for a weekend sometime. It may be a place they would allow us to come for a small event every year even.
And no one yell at me about the hippie thing, LOL. As I do know they don't intervene w/ any gatherings, if asked not to. But will also offer any assistance if we did ask. Basically it is a place for anyone w/ any background a safe place to explore healing. Which is what many of us are looking for, at this event. 300 acres bound by a river on 3 sides.. in the mountians. Beautiful and safe for everyone to enjoy.
I am speaking of 4 Quarters Farm in Artemis PA.
Im still on Drugs and thinking too much, LOL... <3 me anyway please! LOL
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You're good, girl.
I was just lookin' up retreats and churches and the like tryin' to find the right place, but every place I look, I just get the feelin' that they'll frown on the use of any alcohol, which would nix some of the offerings and the toasts and such. I think if we want to do this the way we are envisioning it we should just be righteous and gather at the building. I wonder what that parking lot looks like now...
We already have verbal permission to gather there, but I think we would need to get something in writing with the Ferguson Co. letterhead on it, just in case the cops show up or something. Anyway this is draggin' out way too long and we need to get the invite out like yesterday...
Fuck it. I say we walk right up to the beast and make him humble.
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:flame: Tell Furgeson to move over, we're using the place for the night... they'll get scared, leave, then we can do whatever we want in there. :rofl:
:idea: seriously though, at the building is a great idea actually. People must decide if they want to have a memorial or a party. Parties can happen anytime of the year, memorials like this are much less frequent. In other words, just focus on the issue at hand, the party will always be there. :idea: in November it's usually cold outside at night so you might want to consider an inside venue for the party/overnighter... maybe a hotel group discount deal thingy or something. Hotels are neutral ground, unless you get really wild or something... that would be cool... right?
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Theres gonna be a real reverent memorial service.
Then after the service we'd like to be able to go somewhere with everyone who wants to party and relax, kick back, talk, and raise our whiskey jars.
2 seperate but related events.
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I am under the impression.. we have no permission to enter the building, Nor do we have permission to gather during their buisness hours? So are you thinking of standing in the dark parking lot, wondering who each other is and if everyone is nice, safe and friendly, LOL? (Some of us have severe anxiety already...) And then what after standing in the dark, possibly uneasy around each other, going to a restuarant/bar or some place to party? Im a little confused.
DF, as far as ceremony.. I think it would also be a good idea to have a planned agenda (for lack of a better word), but then also allow time for anyone who needs to pray or make an offering to the event of their own a moment if they so choose. Member we are all diffrent in how we pray, grieve, process and heal.
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I am under the impression.. we have no permission to enter the building, Nor do we have permission to gather during their buisness hours? So are you thinking of standing in the dark parking lot, wondering who each other is and if everyone is nice, safe and friendly, LOL? (Some of us have severe anxiety already...) And then what after standing in the dark, possibly uneasy around each other, going to a restuarant/bar or some place to party? Im a little confused.
DF, as far as ceremony.. I think it would also be a good idea to have a planned agenda (for lack of a better word), but then also allow time for anyone who needs to pray or make an offering to the event of their own a moment if they so choose. Member we are all diffrent in how we pray, grieve, process and heal.
Withdraw, sweetie,
We are not gonna go into the building. We plan to gather at the building around dusk(6pm, I don't know if the farmers almanac has been consulted on what time the sun will set on Nov. 11 or what). The idea is to all get together there, in the ol' parking lot and then I'm sure there will be some time for everyone who wants to reacquaint themselves with ol' friends an' such to do so. I'm not exactly sure about the timing of everything, but the idea is to have the service right around sunset so we can have some candles and incense burnin' and such. It won't really be that dark, but dark enough for the candles to work their charm. There is a plan of action as to what the service will entail and there will be a time within the service itself for people to pray and make offerings and speak openly if they so choose. It's not gonna be a just standing around staring aimlessly at the ground thing. Perhaps DF can elaborate some on this...He has this truly beautiful vision of what the service should be...
After the service we are planning to have a party somewhere but we don't know where just yet. Hopefully at some local survivors house or maybe at a hotel with a bar or something like that. It would be great if some local survivor would volunteer themselves to host the after-party. That's really what we're hopin' for...but if that doesn't happen then we'll figure something else out.
I understand about the anxiety thing. I sympathize. I have some of that too. I don't really know how to ease that anxiety, except to personally do my best to rise to the occaision and make everyone as comfortable as possible. I think we should all do our best to be respectful of each other despite our different interpretations of our common experience.
I will personally watch out for you.
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Well here is a situation...
We want to get the invite out, it was all set to go and we waited for the Fla folks to write up thier piece for the invite(Still Waiting By The Friendly Way)...
Then we got word of the Atlanta event, really decided to hold the horses because they would need to get organized before sending out the invite...
Then there came about the realization that alot of folks will not come if it's at the old building, even though it is now a plumbing supply warehouse I think?....
Well, I think we can manage to honor all drug war vets and pows, it will be veterans day afterall, I think the reflecting pool is fine, we definately will want to find a willing and able party host, We have so much momentum going now with folks helping and all, I have no doubts just ready to know where the service will be held...
Frank, any ideas about location?
Also, does anybody else want to help us come up with an outline for the ceremony itself...
I take the silence around that to mean I have everybody's support?
Hey DF my friend....I got a couple people who has contacted me and are willing to help out with the Atlanta event. I will try to give you a call tonight so that we can hammer out some of the details.
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Thanks, bub.. DF.
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Thanks, Pirate <3. :P
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Thanks, bub.. DF.
I think this is an imposter...Dragon is at work and won't be home til later...He almost always logs in. I've never heard him use the term "bub" before...seems out of character.
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as long as that fucker sherman doesn't makethevent, then it should be a success. Keep Tyler and Monroe home too.
Exactly.
Could not have said it better myself!
I have been saying this here for years.
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as long as that fucker sherman doesn't makethevent, then it should be a success. Keep Tyler and Monroe home too.
Exactly.
Could not have said it better myself!
I have been saying this here for years.
YOU SEE Mikey,you piece of child abusing SHIT!
You cant even remember all of your victims names because you have so many of them.
I suggest you move your family in to Fr Cassians spare bedroom SO YOU CAN GET A GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP!
See you at the "event" (bring your camera).
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ADMIT YOUR WRONGS
To: Staff
From: Former Straight Client
Date: 9/5/06
Subject: Guilt
*Breaking rules with Dean Mistretta by allowing him to fondle my balls in an intake room while the group was in open meeting.
*Dancing around with Dean in his apartment while we tortured children.
*Not putting a quality job into giving Dean a rimjob and taking shortcuts around his dark, hairy asshole.
*Being weak by goofing about Dean's horsey face.
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Thanks, bub.. DF.
I think this is an imposter...Dragon is at work and won't be home til later...He almost always logs in. I've never heard him use the term "bub" before...seems out of character.
:o :rofl:
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I don't really know what you're talkin' about but maybe you could start another thread, We're tryin' to organize a memorial service here.
Thanks, respectfully, pirate.
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I don't really know what you're talkin' about but maybe you could start another thread, We're tryin' to organize a memorial service here.
Thanks, respectfully, pirate.
If Sherman or Sammie Parade attend,then it will be a dissaster.
SWhotgun blast and brain matter everywhere.
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Well my friend I'm glad you finally made it. Some cat was tryin' to impersonate you on here earlier but it didn't fly past me...
Anyway we really need to get this thing up and runnin'.
I say we face the beast and stare him down. Make him understand who we are... Let's walk right up to the muther-fucker and carry our dead and wounded off the field. I'll bring a black flag to fly.
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I'll bring a black flag to fly.
...from a candle-lit pole.
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It might be nice to have a chance to meet each other before the event and just talk, that way we are not all just pulling up, freaking out, and trying to go through the motions of a service...
If we had a meal together or something, had a chance to get on the same page and then went to the service, it might make it all flow a little smoother...
Good idea...I don't want to spend money in some restaraunt though. Maybe we could bring a coleman stove or 2 or something and prepare and serve some food right at the site before the service...like a veggie/rice stir-fry or somethin'. I don't know...
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I definately think the building is the place to have it...the building provides an undeniable context that would focus us very intently on our purpose. To have it anywhere else would not accomplish as much.
I think you should give the good survivors who are considering all this some idea of what you are envisioning, without givin' it all away...dig ?? That way they aren't forced to take it all on faith...
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Hit's gonna be all cold and shit, folks pullin' in from all over the damn country, I don't think were goona be right to set up a rainbow kitchen servin ladies with panty hose and city slicker dudes tofu and brown rice...
... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Oh!!! Well, maybe you're right...still we have enough to do without tryin' to organize a group trip to Hoss's steakhouse...
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Uhhh well, I'd happy to pay for yours.
Oh! And thankyou...that's very nice of you...I can bring the ganja.
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I definately think the building is the place to have it...the building provides an undeniable context that would focus us very intently on our purpose. To have it anywhere else would not accomplish as much.
I think you should give the good survivors who are considering all this some idea of what you are envisioning, without givin' it all away...dig ?? That way they aren't forced to take it all on faith...
Oh! I guess you already did that a couple 'a' posts up.
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Who ?? Me ??
I'm here. That sounds great to me. I think we should stop fuckin' around and get onto it...Let's have it at the building...tell people they can show up as soon as Ferguson closes for the day, whatever time that is. That way if people wanted to get there early and poke around or help us set up or just B.S. and get acquainted they could. Maybe some people, like myself, would want to get there early just to sink into it some. What's the hold-up ?? Let's get the invitation out!
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Dude,
You're too fast for me... I can't keep up.
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Well, we ain't gonna go for any big time production numbers in St. Petersburg, just an informal gathering, maybe a brief opening statement, give anyone who wants to a chance to say something, maybe read out the names of the dead, maybe a moment of silence for the dead and still suffering. The main point is to BE THERE. Show up and give voice to your memories, or remain silent, but attend and help us remember those of us who are no longer among the living, and those who are alive and suffering. We'll probably have a floral arrangement, and some candles for everyone. Nothing fancy or formal, just a memorial.
I kind of like the idea of people maybe showing up an hour early if they feel like it, to hang out and say hi, then we can get on with the memorial at 6:00.
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well I'm all damn democratic an shit you know...
What if it's rainin' cold and sleet and windy at 6 on the 11th after I've driven 500 miles and folks has come in from all over the place, we gonna go to Mc Donald's?
No, we're gonna go ahead and stand in the weather to honor are brothers and sisters...I don't give a fuck what the weather is like I'll be there standin' in it.
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All logged in now.....I think you guys should find out about the site, if not the building, then find out about permits for a park or whaerever. It would really suck if people showed up for this thing and it got shut down because no one looked into OKing it with the current occupants of the building, or if no one made the five minute phone call it takes to get a permit. Just sayin'.....
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Yeah you guys in the tropics don't have to contend with frozen precipitation and wind chill factors...
Nah, just hurricanes.....
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I'll be across the street with a bullhorn reading excerpts from my book, "Gone Way Down" as well as The Seven Steps, Five Criteria Three Signs and Serenity Prayer with the HOPE that perhaps just a little bit of SANITY will find its way back into a few of your godforsaken druggie skulls! :flame:
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I'll be across the street with a bullhorn reading excerpts from my book, "Gone Way Down" as well as The Seven Steps, Five Criteria Three Signs and Serenity Prayer with the HOPE that perhaps just a little bit of SANITY will find its way back into a few of your godforsaken druggie skulls! :flame:
I gotta admit, this made me laugh.......
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All logged in now.....I think you guys should find out about the site, if not the building, then find out about permits for a park or whaerever. It would really suck if people showed up for this thing and it got shut down because no one looked into OKing it with the current occupants of the building, or if no one made the five minute phone call it takes to get a permit. Just sayin'.....
Dude we been workin' pretty hard on all this, every day searching the internet and making phone calls to try to procure some site. Fuck it! Lets do it at the building. That is where the battle was. Let's go back there with our flags flyin' and collect our dead and wounded so we can properly honor them. We need to get permission from Ferguson in writing, under their letterhead. This is all draggin' out way too long. That invite needs to go out tomorrow. People need time to make their travel plans an' such.
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I agree entirely, and we tried without success to be able to have it at the Gandy building, but it would suck if it got shut down due to lack of an OK from the current occupants.
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Dude we been workin' pretty hard on all this, every day searching the internet and making phone calls to try to procure some site. Fuck it! Lets do it at the building. That is where the battle was. Let's go back there with our flags flyin' and collect our dead and wounded so we can properly honor them. We need to get permission from Ferguson in writing, under their letterhead. This is all draggin' out way too long. That invite needs to go out tomorrow. People need time to make their travel plans an' such.
What an appalling lack of organization. Why am I not surprised??
"Druggie is as druggie does," I suppose..
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Yeah, no doubt, that would suck. We already have verbal permission to use the property but we need to get it in writing, and even then we pro'ly need some kind of a back-up site in case they change their mind at the last minute or somethin'.
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not a bad idea, getting written permission. Generally, if you tell people it's a memorial, NOT a protest, they are sympathetic.
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Cool deal. I think it's great Atlanta is doing one too.
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It'd be hard at the Cincy building since they are still killin the kids' minds and souls at that building. Bad karma abounds there now and it may overpower and significantly interfere with ability to be reverent of those dearly departed. An inactive area is tedious enough as it is... in other words. :o
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It'd be hard at the Cincy building since they are still killin the kids' minds and souls at that building. Bad karma abounds there now and it may overpower and significantly interfere with ability to be reverent of those dearly departed. An inactive area is tedious enough as it is... in other words. :o
that would actually be kind of funny, to get permission to do this at the building on a friday night - just tell them that this is a memorial for all the fallen druggies. then let the parents know what's really going on after open meeting
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yeah, it would be kinda funny, but that seems to be crossing the line from "memorial" to "protest". A time and a place for everything.... (
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this is funny, cause with ALL THIS talk and planning, I guarantee there will only be 1 or 2 people who show up at any given location. I'll bet my left nut.
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You drinkin' again tonight, bub? ::cheers::
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You don't have to cuss, man.
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What's you're favorite type and brand of veggie burger?
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Sorry dude, I meant "your"
I'm on beer #two.
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Come down off your throne
And leave your body alone
Somebody must change
You are the reason
I've been waiting so long
Somebody holds the key
Well, I'm near the end and I just ain't got the time
Well, I'm wasted and I can't find my way home
Come down on your own
And leave your money at home
Somebody must change
You are the reason
I've been waiting all these years
Somebody holds the key
I'm near the end, and I just ain't got the time
Oh, and I'm wasted, and I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
Still, I can't find my way home
And, I ain't done nothing wrong
But, I can't find my way home
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Sometimes we know, sometimes we don't
Sometimes we give, sometimes we won't
Sometimes we're strong, sometimes we're wrong
Sometimes we cry
Sometimes it's bad when the going gets tough
When we look in the mirror and we want to give up
Sometimes we don't even think we'll try
Sometimes we cry
Well we're gonna have to sit down and think it right through
If we're only human what more can we do
The only thing to do is eat humble pie
Sometimes we cry
'Fore they put me in a jacket, and they take me away
I'm not gonna fake it like Johnnie Ray
Sometimes we live, sometimes we die
Sometimes we cry
Sometimes we can't see anything straight
Sometimes everybody is on the make
Sometimes it's lonely on the lost highway
Sometimes we cry, sometimes we cry
Gonna put me in a jacket, and take me away
I'm not gonna fake it like Johnnie Ray
Sometimes we live, sometimes we die
Sometimes we cry, sometimes we cry
Sometimes we live, sometimes we die
Sometimes we cry, sometimes we cry
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this is funny, cause with ALL THIS talk and planning, I guarantee there will only be 1 or 2 people who show up at any given location. I'll bet my left nut.
I'll try to find Dean Mistretta's address, so you can send it to him after the memorial. He'll enjoy it, and I bet you haven't used it in years anyway.
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What's you're favorite type and brand of veggie burger?
THE "NO" KIND
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this is funny, cause with ALL THIS talk and planning, I guarantee there will only be 1 or 2 people who show up at any given location. I'll bet my left nut.
Dont put your nut in peril!
Im willing to bet BOTH of my nuts on this one.
Lets see,Sammie "Did you see me on Montel?" Monroe,Mike Sherman...hmmm...I cant think of any others,unless of course Wes Fager can find the time to pull his mouth away from his exhumed dead son's atrophied cock.
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Well, I just want to say again that there seems to be plenty of living folks who did not survive Straight Incorporated...
There is a part of me that is gone too...
I hope we can somehow acknowledge this together on the 11th...
I hope somebody at the memorial can speak about those of us stuck in a living death...
This internet thing is wearing thin, I really look forward to meeting the people who make up the community of survivors...
That sounds great,really,but unfortunately we are not joking when we say that it will be Sammie,Shermy,and maybe two or three others that will show up.
I understand your wanting to go just for the sake of connecting with others,and supporting the cause,but if you go you will only meet the likes of Sammy,Mike Sherman (when he's not hiding in the car) and their groupies.
If they show up and do their regular handing out flyers and asking questions like "Did you see me on Montel?",then really theres nothing more that you can add to that.
Dont feel guilty of you cop out and dont go.Your not missing anything.
Oh sure,I encourage ALL PEOPLE here to go to these "events",but the fact still remains that you will only be the fifth wheel.
Dont waste precious gas on this folly,wait for the DVD.
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This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual, and psychological. I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know. This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world. It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score: The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead; these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality". These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively, inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused. I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward, minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings. I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].
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Well, Doc Slow had the idea to read a eulogy simultaneously at all three (or more?) locations...
Sounds good,in theory,but wouldn't you need at least three or more people to participate?
Sammie,Mike Sherman and MAYBE Wes Fager does not add up to three.
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Well, Doc Slow had the idea to read a eulogy simultaneously at all three (or more?) locations...
8)
HA
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sherman won't be there. Got it from a reliable source.
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sherman won't be there. Got it from a reliable source.
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Hi Shermy.
Still posting as "Anon",or are you calling yourself "Guest" these days.
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Why do you fucking care? You ain't showing up.
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sherman won't be there. Got it from a reliable source.
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Hi Shermy.
Still posting as "Anon",or are you calling yourself "Guest" these days.
neither you idiot; you are a paranoid person. "Shermy" isn't around fornits any more.
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Well, we ain't gonna go for any big time production numbers in St. Petersburg, just an informal gathering, maybe a brief opening statement, give anyone who wants to a chance to say something, maybe read out the names of the dead, maybe a moment of silence for the dead and still suffering. The main point is to BE THERE. Show up and give voice to your memories, or remain silent, but attend and help us remember those of us who are no longer among the living, and those who are alive and suffering. We'll probably have a floral arrangement, and some candles for everyone. Nothing fancy or formal, just a memorial.
I kind of like the idea of people maybe showing up an hour early if they feel like it, to hang out and say hi, then we can get on with the memorial at 6:00.
Havn't been around alot and I havent followed this thread...I do recall a site being mentioned earlier in the thread...but have forgotten the details...
So, when/where is the St.Pete shindig?...I diffinately plan on attending!
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Well, we ain't gonna go for any big time production numbers in St. Petersburg, just an informal gathering, maybe a brief opening statement, give anyone who wants to a chance to say something, maybe read out the names of the dead, maybe a moment of silence for the dead and still suffering. The main point is to BE THERE. Show up and give voice to your memories, or remain silent, but attend and help us remember those of us who are no longer among the living, and those who are alive and suffering. We'll probably have a floral arrangement, and some candles for everyone. Nothing fancy or formal, just a memorial.
I kind of like the idea of people maybe showing up an hour early if they feel like it, to hang out and say hi, then we can get on with the memorial at 6:00.
Havn't been around alot and I havent followed this thread...I do recall a site being mentioned earlier in the thread...but have forgotten the details...
So, when/where is the St.Pete shindig?...I diffinately plan on attending!
The memorial service for victims of St. Petersburg Straight will be held on the Gulf pier at Fort DeSoto Park on Saturday, November 11th, @ 6:00 PM.
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memorial at 6:00.
The memorial service for victims of St. Petersburg Straight will be held on the Gulf pier at Fort DeSoto Park on Saturday, November 11th, @ 6:00 PM.
(Followed by the sound of a wrench being thrown in to an empty warehouse)
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What's your point?
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What's your point?
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Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting the press and anyone else interested.
We are still in the brainstorming phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is to perform a ceremony for our own personal healing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE healing from a very real and ongoing disaster.
life is precious and short
Amen 2 That ! I will try 2 get a ride.
-Steve
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Well, I am envisioning a memorial service at the VA warehouse on Backlick Rd.
It will be this fall, and I am inviting anyone interested.
We are still in the brainwashing phase if you have any ideas.
My idea is for us to hold a service for our own personal stealing and to call attention to the fact that we ARE swimming from a very real and ongoing hurricane.
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We really need to work up a backup location...
If it 's too cold, too rainy, too windy, it just won't be too easy to take our time and get much out of it all...
It looks like folks will be there from all over and from far far away, so we need to have our backup plan...
Hardee's. :rofl:
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folks spaminating on themselves....
really should be done in the privacy of your own homes...
Or dedicate a whole thread to it, but somewhere else...
can't even wipe that shit off when you post it as anon...
It is curious, this constant referencing to shitt. Why is this? Where did this come from? They did it all the time in the program, twelve steppers use it, and we see here it's remnants still twenty (?) years after. Where did people hear this kind of metaphoric lingo? I am sure shit has been used to insult (what is an insult, please? what are the earliest insults on record?) since time immemorial. However, how did Straight use it, please, anyone like to give a shot at this? That is, how did it advance the purposes of Straight? Thank you for all guesses.
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What shitt are you referrin' to?
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Well, I just want to say again that there seems to be plenty of living folks who did not survive Straight Incorporated...
There is a part of me that is gone too...
I hope we can somehow acknowledge this together on the 11th...
I hope somebody at the memorial can speak about those of us stuck in a living death...
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Dragonfly I would be curious if you could expand on this topic of "living dead". Do you see yourself as living dead? Do you see other people as living dead? I was curious as to your information gathering on this subject and an expanded definition/criteria set to illuminate your conclusions.
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Take note of the cars and persons that will gather at the periphery. I am not talking about survivors. Take a picture of these persons, without their notice, if possible.
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We really need to work up a backup location...
If it 's too cold, too rainy, too windy, it just won't be too easy to take our time and get much out of it all...
It looks like folks will be there from all over and from far far away, so we need to have our backup plan...
How about a school gymnasium? They could probably even hook you up with blue chairs. Gyms are nice. The weather doesn't get in.
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Dragonfly I would be curious if you could expand on this topic of "living dead". Do you see yourself as living dead? Do you see other people as living dead? I was curious as to your information gathering on this subject and an expanded definition/criteria set to illuminate your conclusions.
(http://http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/WanadooFilms/Thriller/nightZombiesHap.jpg)
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That person has gloss in their eyes. Their not dead.
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"Living Dead."
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folks spaminating on themselves....
really should be done in the privacy of your own homes...
Or dedicate a whole thread to it, but somewhere else...
can't even wipe that shit off when you post it as anon...
It is curious, this constant referencing to shitt. Why is this? Where did this come from? They did it all the time in the program, twelve steppers use it, and we see here it's remnants still twenty (?) years after. Where did people hear this kind of metaphoric lingo? I am sure shit has been used to insult (what is an insult, please? what are the earliest insults on record?) since time immemorial. However, how did Straight use it, please, anyone like to give a shot at this? That is, how did it advance the purposes of Straight? Thank you for all guesses.
DF references their presented appearance as an affront to what was likely one of the earliest taboos on record. This intended meaning is likely read on many levels. It might reasonably be a powerful trigger -- conscious or unconscious -- to cult time and circumstance, or even to potty training experiences. Possibly the person who posted it has triggers from other things in this venue that elicit the use of the shit/worth comparison tactic. Possibly this venue recreates and triggers in some ways the original cult model? I guess that with no empirical evidence whatsoever. Just a guess, just totally wagering a guess, never talked to the guy (girl?). However, this does not answer your question of why this tool is used over other possible tools.
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Are we going to be provided with candles for the saturday night love rap, or should we bring our own?
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... saturday night love rap...
:rofl: :rofl: ...It aint gonna be a rap...I will re-consecrate some of our brothers and sisters and some of ourselves...I get it though...funny...in kind of a cult-humor kind a way...
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..and I'm bringin' my own candles too...I'll have other stuff to share...well, like outta my whiskey flask 'n' such, I mean...so I do... :skull:
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Regarding your "spaminating shit" post, actually, you were insulting every single person who posted what you consider to be spam on this thread. Which is neither here not there, you aren't more or less insulting than anyone else really, it's just the shitt references might be one of the weirder abusive things about 12-step cults. Regarding your "living dead" post, I was actually hoping you could explain it better just because I don't think I know what or who you are talking about so I thought I would ask. Answer or don't, it's just a message board. There is no insult in discussing these things.
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This I learned in Straight :
procrastination is like masterbation, the only one you are screwing is yourself!
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Regarding your "spaminating shit" post, actually, you were insulting every single person who posted what you consider to be spam on this thread.
I'd like to tak ethis time to insult every single person who posts spam on the entire goddamn forum. Fuck you lame ass losers.
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These references to body functions are interesting. I think they might function at least in part as thought-stoppers. Some says to you "I think you are full of shit," you are talking to someone who has an agenda to make you feel shame. They want to convey to you that not only do they think you are not telling the whole truth, you are actually contaminated and dirty on the inside from this. Another thing I was thinking about, Straight really was hyper interested in everything that was in our bodies or had been in our bodies. What did you put in your mouth, up your nose, in your arm, what has been between your legs? Do you put things in these places Straight doesn't think should be there? Confess your ingestion! Eliminate! One of Straight's biggest lies is that shame is helpful. It also makes secrets into shit that you are full of and you have to confess them to get clean. It is normal and healthy for people to keep things private and to engage in a certain amount of stepping around the truth and subterfuge, according to their needs for safety of person.
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Interesting, but the expression is quite common. That is, it's used by many who have never been in a program of any kind. Still, an interesting observation though.
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I think you are right, it is everywhere. Straight liked things like that though & used them a lot.
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Dragonfly....I've tried to send you 2 e-mails now...they're just sitting in my outbox. Is your box full?
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I think you are right, it is everywhere. Straight liked things like that though & used them a lot.
I think that the phrase "pulling shit" is pretty much unique to straight, though.
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my husband wants to send my 16 year old daughter there. Is it horrible, did it ruin your lives? Please help me with answers. Please
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Send her where?
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Pathway family center in southfield MI. ISAC quoted someone from this site.
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Yeah... if you're for real and not just fucking around here, I'd say don't send her there. Pathways was a spin-off of Straight and simply put, Straight SUCKED. Let's just say that among survivors Straight isn't known for any "good" that it's done. Someone else will probably be along soon to elaborate if this isn't enough of a red flag for you.
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for instance
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/22/l ... -of-rehab/ (http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/22/liebermans-fundraiser-ran-the-abu-ghraib-of-rehab/)
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and this is the man who perpetuated it into what it is today
http://www.melsembler.com/index.html (http://www.melsembler.com/index.html)
Now back to the memorial topic :D
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this is no joke, thank you so much for the information. I will not send my child there no way. thank you, thank you. [email protected]
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my husband wants to send my 16 year old daughter there. Is it horrible, did it ruin your lives? Please help me with answers. Please
O! Jesus christ! Are you serious ??,...
... Don't send her there..., that is not the place to heal your ills. Such is Life...Just relax...if you can...I know it's tricky. Just be cool though, and don't over-react. She is a real person, triyin 'to grow up and will deal with her world. You can help her by just knowin' what's happenin. It's a rough place for everyone.
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Dragonfly....I've tried to send you 2 e-mails now...they're just sitting in my outbox. Is your box full?
...Uhh, ...DF has asked me to let it be known ...that he is having some technical problems, due to the crazy te'kno'log' of ever't'in'. Luckily I am not out of beer. I have considered numerous posts all day, due to the fucked up nature of everything... Don't tempt me... Unless you are who I think you are, In which case ...you can fuck with me at will... 'less you got somethin t' teach for real...just don't cry to me later...
Humbly yours, with all due arrogance,
starry-eyed pirate.
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Valhalla,
Sorry, didn't mean that to you personally,...just drinkjin yuenjlings, see how things come out ??...
Fuck authority!..fUCK $TR8! fUCK tHE rOMANS.
fUCK THE uNITED sTATES. fuXCCK 'EM All
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this is no joke, thank you so much for the information. I will not send my child there no way. thank you, thank you. sue
Sue, If you are for real (sorry to imply anything diffirent, we do get alot of ~not real/sincere questions), And You have chosen to Not send/Warehouse your kid because of visiting this site.. Then us being here is entirely worth it. Even if just one kid gets saved from what we have been through, I swear.. My being there and now here.. WAS ALL worth it.
I have suggested this before and been shot down.. But maybe try and explain to her what Can happen if she gets into legal trouble and the court sends her to some place like Straight. If I had understood that one thing, I would not have done half the stuff I did. And to know my parents were trying to save me from it, would have changed my view on them for sure. Ok, I'd like to think so anyhow.
sincerely, Withdraw
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Did I miss something?
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Valhalla,
Sorry, didn't mean that to you personally,...just drinkjin yuenjlings, see how things come out ??...
Fuck authority!..fUCK $TR8! fUCK tHE rOMANS.
fUCK THE uNITED sTATES. fuXCCK 'EM All
No worries. I didn't take it personally...I'm familiar with your 'poeticness'. LOL
He did PM me this morning, but I still can't manage to land one in his inbox.
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Dragonfly...
Is there an alternative way to contact you? You can PM it to me. I can't seem to get anything out of my outbox to you...still.
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::cheers:: :smokin: ::birthday:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::cheers:: ::bandit:: ::hatter:: ::kiss:: :smokin: :silly: :wave: ::birthday:: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::cheers:: :smokin:
Bump. Are all the locations settled on yet?
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::cheers:: :smokin: ::birthday:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::cheers:: ::bandit:: ::hatter:: ::kiss:: :smokin: :silly: :wave: ::birthday:: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::cheers:: :smokin:
Bump. Are all the locations settled on yet?
Yeah - there's a party in your mouth, and everyone is coming! ::bwahaha::
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Wow. You're so funny. :roll:
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You laughed; admit it! If you didn't, it's prolly b/c you've heard that one before.
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Yep, heard it. Like about 20 years ago.
But yeah, I chuckled a little. :D
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I got an ol' shack in Manassass. That'll have to do.
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Well, I just didn't want people to think we had forgotten...
no weay
no way !
-Steve Brown
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
if you guys can tell me whether or not you plan to rent a place for afterwards or whatever.....if i know for sure without a doubt,that theres going to be a turn out ,i'll bring my P.A system and my guitarist and we'll do a gig for free!......that,would be awsome man!........you guys have to let me know...i already threw it at my guitarist and he said he'd do it!{i'm going to pay him myself...he doesn't know that its from me}>he has 4 kids so he can't justify to his wife to do it for free...he can't afford it......so it'll be my donation to the whole thing.......ok?...please let me know....my number is 724 465 2586 or email me at [email protected].......thanks {just trying to help} hippie
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
if you guys can tell me whether or not you plan to rent a place for afterwards or whatever.....if i know for sure without a doubt,that theres going to be a turn out ,i'll bring my P.A system and my guitarist and we'll do a gig for free!......that,would be awsome man!........you guys have to let me know...i already threw it at my guitarist and he said he'd do it!{i'm going to pay him myself...he doesn't know that its from me}>he has 4 kids so he can't justify to his wife to do it for free...he can't afford it......so it'll be my donation to the whole thing.......ok?...please let me know....my number is 724 465 2586 or email me at [email protected].......thanks {just trying to help} hippie
WOA
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
TESTIN 123
BROWNIE
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
TESTIN 123
BROWNIE
I GUESS I'M STUCK.
-BROWNIE
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Stuck where?
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
if you guys can tell me whether or not you plan to rent a place for afterwards or whatever.....if i know for sure without a doubt,that theres going to be a turn out ,i'll bring my P.A system and my guitarist and we'll do a gig for free!......that,would be awsome man!........you guys have to let me know...i already threw it at my guitarist and he said he'd do it!{i'm going to pay him myself...he doesn't know that its from me}>he has 4 kids so he can't justify to his wife to do it for free...he can't afford it......so it'll be my donation to the whole thing.......ok?...please let me know....my number is 724 465 2586 or email me at [email protected].......thanks {just trying to help} hippie
WOA
you just couldn't resist huh
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
if you guys can tell me whether or not you plan to rent a place for afterwards or whatever.....if i know for sure without a doubt,that theres going to be a turn out ,i'll bring my P.A system and my guitarist and we'll do a gig for free!......that,would be awsome man!........you guys have to let me know...i already threw it at my guitarist and he said he'd do it!{i'm going to pay him myself...he doesn't know that its from me}>he has 4 kids so he can't justify to his wife to do it for free...he can't afford it......so it'll be my donation to the whole thing.......ok?...please let me know....my number is 724 465 2586 or email me at [email protected].......thanks {just trying to help} hippie
WOA
you just couldn't resist huh
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Stuck where?
AS A GUEST.
NO BIGIGGIE.
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something like a VFW hall or the masonic lodge or the Kiwanis club or the Shriner hall or a good bar with a big private back room or a big ballroom in a fancy hotel
if you guys can tell me whether or not you plan to rent a place for afterwards or whatever.....if i know for sure without a doubt,that theres going to be a turn out ,i'll bring my P.A system and my guitarist and we'll do a gig for free!......that,would be awsome man!........you guys have to let me know...i already threw it at my guitarist and he said he'd do it!{i'm going to pay him myself...he doesn't know that its from me}>he has 4 kids so he can't justify to his wife to do it for free...he can't afford it......so it'll be my donation to the whole thing.......ok?...please let me know....my number is 724 465 2586 or email me at [email protected].......thanks {just trying to help} hippie
You're not gonna bring out some blue chair on stage and play are you? I thought this was supposed to be a quiet memorial for those who have passed, not a "gig".
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Q. How many "survivors" does it take to plan a memorial?
A. A few to hash out the details, compile lists of the dead, & send the invites and 50 to argue over what sort of behavior's 'appropriate' for such a "solemn event."
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No. People get to say. You just mind it because you don't like their opinion. Their opinion is, they don't want it to be a gig. That is a valid opinion.
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Just as the opinion that it should "be" a gig is valid. Ftr, I think the gig would have taken take place ~after the service...aaheerlk.
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Ok, so they're both valid. Anything else? :roll:
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I don't know...what are you up to? :P
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and what the hell is that?
aaheerlk.
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and what the hell is that?
aaheerlk.
I'll tell ya later. :smokin:
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and what the hell is that?
aaheerlk.
I'll tell ya later. :smokin:
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is this gong to happen??? for real....I want to come
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is this gong to happen??? for real....I want to come
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is this gong to happen??? for real....I want to come
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It's happening.
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Yes, it's most definitely happening. Saturday, November 11th at 6pm EST.
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The folks at Ferguson's would like to know if we have any idea as to how many people we think are going to be there. Do we have a count or an approximate count?
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What is Ferguson's?
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The folks at Ferguson's would like to know if we have any idea as to how many people we think are going to be there. Do we have a count or an approximate count?
Should be just enough druggies for one busload.. Looking forward to seeing all of you on FRONT ROW on the 12th! :wave: :rofl:
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What is Ferguson's?
I believe that was where your 'Alma Mater' was situated, if I'm not mistaken. Does the number 5515 mean anything to you? :o :rofl:
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What is Ferguson's?
I believe that was where your 'Alma Mater' was situated, if I'm not mistaken. Does the number 5515 mean anything to you? :o :rofl:
Sorry...I've been out of the area for a while. And have, ever since, avoided going down ol' Backlick Road for a couple of decades.
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What is Ferguson's?
Ferguson's is a Plumbing supply company - one of the largest in the country. They are the current occupant's of the building.
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::cheers::
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does this mean we get to into the building...I wonder if it still smells the same...I must admit that when I first read about this I wanted to go...now it just scares me...I don't know if I could go in that building again....trust is BIG deal when it comes Striaght
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Going to "the building" is creepy, I agree. I knew it would end up being held there all along, despite suggestions to have it somewhere else.
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I'm sure that "we" could find a lot of healing their.....it's not just the building, it's the gathering with people from Striaght - old staff members...who knows they might want to lock me up and throw away the key. This time....I show up on my on accord?? I didn't know what Straight was. I was told I was going to a foster home....I was greatful knowing I wasn't going to have to wake up at my mom's home and not know if I was going to be beat. I had smoke pot once and had drank 1 time with my mothers permission.....I lied to people in school about the drugs I had done and because they heard me share this information with them or one of my our shared friends (I had done those drugs period end of discussion) I was only in six months - the goods news is my mother stopped drinking and that really wasn't her problem she was bearable when she had a drink or two? After leaving striaght I became what I was labled. At 19 I admitted myself into Mary Washington Hospital I was able to start the healing process for myself, from not only my childhood but striaght as well, I am ready to close this chapter in my life. Are we going to have complete anonymity from the owners now? I'm thinking about going and supporting what is going on down south.
sybil
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this is no joke, thank you so much for the information. I will not send my child there no way. thank you, thank you. sue
Sue, If you are for real (sorry to imply anything diffirent, we do get alot of ~not real/sincere questions), And You have chosen to Not send/Warehouse your kid because of visiting this site.. Then us being here is entirely worth it. Even if just one kid gets saved from what we have been through, I swear.. My being there and now here.. WAS ALL worth it.
I have suggested this before and been shot down.. But maybe try and explain to her what Can happen if she gets into legal trouble and the court sends her to some place like Straight. If I had understood that one thing, I would not have done half the stuff I did. And to know my parents were trying to save me from it, would have changed my view on them for sure. Ok, I'd like to think so anyhow.
sincerely, Withdraw
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this is no joke, thank you so much for the information. I will not send my child there no way. thank you, thank you. sue
Sue, If you are for real (sorry to imply anything diffirent, we do get alot of ~not real/sincere questions), And You have chosen to Not send/Warehouse your kid because of visiting this site.. Then us being here is entirely worth it. Even if just one kid gets saved from what we have been through, I swear.. My being there and now here.. WAS ALL worth it.
I have suggested this before and been shot down.. But maybe try and explain to her what Can happen if she gets into legal trouble and the court sends her to some place like Straight. If I had understood that one thing, I would not have done half the stuff I did. And to know my parents were trying to save me from it, would have changed my view on them for sure. Ok, I'd like to think so anyhow.
sincerely, Withdraw
:tup:
Oh please.
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does this mean we get to into the building...I wonder if it still smells the same...I must admit that when I first read about this I wanted to go...now it just scares me...I don't know if I could go in that building again....trust is BIG deal when it comes Striaght
No, we will not be able to get in to the building. I think that a lot of people would probably end up trashing the place if we did!
While it smelled different, there was still an underlying "Straight" smell. The current occupants probably never even notice!
It was very creepy to be sure!
When I was driving up, and still on I495, there was a huge knot in my stomach. When I was getting ready to turn into the front parking lot, I though I was going to hurl!
I'm not sure what it's going to be like in a couple of weeks knowing that I'm going to see people that I use to know and spent so much time trying to forget.
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So did you guys decide on a place yet or what?
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The Springfield memorial will be held at the building.
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5515 Backlick Rd.
Lotsa backs; lotsa lickin'
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does this mean we get to into the building...I wonder if it still smells the same...I must admit that when I first read about this I wanted to go...now it just scares me...I don't know if I could go in that building again....trust is BIG deal when it comes Striaght
Been there.It smell's of new plumbing supply's. (lol)
It will be a piece-of-cake. You will be among friiend's.
-STEVE BROWN
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I'm sure that "we" could find a lot of healing their.....it's not just the building, it's the gathering with people from Striaght - old staff members...
sybil
I was told I was going to a foster home....
My unit's lied to me saying it was a "family counselor"
- BROWNIE
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I wonder if that dude is still living in outta his car by the warehouse. I used to reflect on how lucky he was to be free as we would pull into the parking lot for yet another long day.
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My unit's lied to me saying it was a "family counselor"
- BROWNIE
mine too.
lying is a big part of cults, i'll find something in "Combatting Cult Mind Control" i just read. to post here. deception is a major recruitment tactic.
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My unit's lied to me saying it was a "family counselor"
- BROWNIE
mine too.
lying is a big part of cults, i'll find something in "Combatting Cult Mind Control" i just read. to post here. deception is a major recruitment tactic.
I was in the springfield jail.
'82-'85
-Brownie (STEVE BROWN)
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"Planet Springfield"
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"Planet Springfield"[/quoteYes, That prison.
STEVE
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This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual, and psychological. I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know. This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world. It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score: The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead; these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality". These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively, inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused. I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward, minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings. I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].
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rtp wrote that in a response to pirate earlier in the thread, http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=214139#214139 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=214139#214139) .
He'll be at the St. Pete memorial. I doubt he'd mind if you read that it the VA memorial, in fact I'm sure he'd be flattered.
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rtp wrote that in a response to pirate earlier in the thread, http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=214139#214139 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=214139#214139) .
He'll be at the St. Pete memorial. I doubt he'd mind if you read that it the VA memorial, in fact I'm sure he'd be flattered.
IT WILL B READ THERE !
-BROWNIE
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I know Doc Slow is also planning on reading that out loud at the Atlanta service and his hope is that we can coordinate an exact time for all three locations to be hearing those words...
It's looking like lots of details will be coming together at the last moment and that there really is some momentum building...
Somebody is gonna have to kidnap Ginger again and bring her down too
GOOD LUCK WITH HER ! ((((LOL)))
-BROWNIE
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Somebody is gonna have to kidnap Ginger again and bring her down too....
Aw shit! :-D Thanks.
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Somebody is gonna have to kidnap Ginger again and bring her down too....
Aw shit! :-D Thanks.
SHE IS KINDA "FISTY"
STEVE
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Now where in the hell did that come from? Did I wrong you somehow, Steve? Or you just like to talk a lot of shit for no particular reason?
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(of course you realize he may have meant "feisty" ...just saying)
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Is that it, Steve? LOL
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Well, you know that I will be there.
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Well, you know that I will be there.
Me as well.
-Steve
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You got a ride then, Steve ??
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Well, I talked to Doc Slow yesterday and he is wanting some firm RSVP sorts of information from folks,
Why? Why does it matter?
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Because we are planning on gathering at a house after the memorial, if there are going to be 100 people, we need to think about other possibilities...
I think Doc Slow has other reasons for wanting to know...
:question: :question:
First, I thought Doc Slow was doing the Atlanta memorial and DF was going to the VA one so I'm confused there.
Second, someone else said that Doc Slow is driving a fair distance to attend and didn't want to be the only one there so how would that have an effect on his house?
Third, does DF have an imposter around? Why the two different answers?
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You got a ride then, Steve ??
YES
STEVE
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Hey everybody...Sorry it's taken me so long to get back on the forum...my personal computer went down and the one at work has a filter on it and will not allow me to even check my personal e-mail. Any way I am asking for people to RSVP so that I will know it will be worth my time and effort to drive to Atlanta as I live down in south Florida. At the current time only a couple people has expressed intrest in a Memorial service for this location and if only 2 or 3 people want this memorial it may be more viable for us to participate in the memorial in either VA or FL. So please let me know so I will know how to proceed on my part.
Thanks....Doc
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Because we are planning on gathering at a house after the memorial, if there are going to be 100 people, we need to think about other possibilities...
I think Doc Slow has other reasons for wanting to know...
:question: :question:
First, I thought Doc Slow was doing the Atlanta memorial and DF was going to the VA one so I'm confused there.
Second, someone else said that Doc Slow is driving a fair distance to attend and didn't want to be the only one there so how would that have an effect on his house?
Third, does DF have an imposter around? Why the two different answers?
I agree. DF your post is confusing. Yeah.
What ??
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Hey everybody...Sorry it's taken me so long to get back on the forum...my personal computer went down and the one at work has a filter on it and will not allow me to even check my personal e-mail.
Sounds like its personal.... :D
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Sorry for any confusion...
How about this,
If you have not given an RSVP, please do so...
I must have not been following the converstaion or something, I'm not sure what is confusing folks...
It would real nice to know how many to expect, that's all...
There will be a blue chair for everyone...
Always room enough for one more.
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Blue Chair? i already have a black one.
-Steve
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angel dust?
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angel dust.
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I'll be busy digging up corpses for verification.
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I'll be busy digging up corpses for verification.
THAT WAZ SO FUNNY, I 4 GOT 2 LAUGH !
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Hey guys.....I'm not going to be able to make Atlanta, having to travel to Canada for 2 weeks for the company I work for. But I'll still be there in spirit. Hopefully no one has carved out travel plans in stone for this location. If someone else wants to step up and help out PM me.
Thanks....Doc
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THIS IS LAME...
I WAZ N SPRINGFIELD.
CAN I HITCH WITH SOME 1 THE 11TH ? ALL MY RIDES R BAILIN.[
OH, I NEED A EMPTY TRUNK.
- STEVE BROWN
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I'm sure you can get a ride, where from?
IT'S COOL NOW, THANKS !
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Well, we have a week to go...
Folks have been working hard for the memorial and we have been thinking about it for a long time now...
Pirate and I are going to be getting into the area on the 7th to get organized and prepare somewhat...
All you interested in getting together before the 11th to talk, organize and whatever else let me know, right now we are planning to meet on the 10th.. I AM GOING 2 THE SPRINGFIELD 1.
I AM SO EXCITED !
-STEVE
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There will be a letter for everyone to sign at each Memorial Service. Great pains were and are still being taken to ensure it represents all viewpoints as accurately as possilbe. I do want the letter to be good for everyone...but I also know it is impossible to please everyone, impossible to capture every single viewpoint, not everyone will
agree with every word written, will have their own ideas as to what the letter should or should not say, etc.
With that in mind, additional sheets will be provided at the Memorial Service so that additional handwitten comments can be added by anyone who wishes to do so. That way anyone who wants to say something different, in their own way can do so. All signed sheets, extra comments, etc., will be sent with the original letter to each recipient.
As far as who the recipients of the letters will be....a list of names has been started and that list will be at the Memorial Service for everyone to see. Anyone who thinks of another name that should be on the list can add that name.
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everyone to see
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Have a good trip see ya on Saturday...
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Well, I'm leaving now, 500 miles, I hope to be in Springfield by 6 pm...
I WILL B A DUDE N A WHEEL-CHAIR ! MAN, U R TRAVELING A VERY LONG WAY !
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I'm about to leave out too.
Part of my personal offering to the fallen and to all those who suffered at the hands of $tr8 will be a pilgrimage to the top of an ol' rocky-topped mountain out in the Shenandoahs. It's a mountain I have climbed with Dragonfly before. Nigh on ta 20 years ago. A mountain we used to climb on 4th and 5th phase and when we were fresh outta the mind-rape-brainwash cult. On 4th and 5th phase we spent as much time as we could out in those mountains, far away from $tr8. The only way up the mountain is by fording a cold, fast river at it's base. Once across the river we(DF and I) plan to hike/climb straight up it(there is no trail). I reckon it will be a long arduous climb, but invested with meaning and nurturing to the spirit. Once at the top, which aint quite bald but has very few, if any, large trees due to the rockiness of the summit, we are gonna establish a camp and plant a black flag of mourning at the highest point possible and anchor it down good. Then we are gonna collect fire wood and sit up on that mountain all night long keeping a votive fire. The view to the East from up there is simply spectacular. We plan to hold a vigil up there all night, until we see the sun risin.
I wish a safe trip to everyone travellin. See ya in Virginia. Peace.
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You two be careful up there -- we don't want to have to add any more names to the list!
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Thanks Frank. We'll be fine.
And Oh! I forgot to add that DF and I will be climbing that ol' mountain(like ol' goats) and stayin' up on top of it the night of the 8th, in case anyone wants to symbolically participate. You know with prayers or candles or what-not...
Anyway, I gotta roll...
pirate-out.
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You two be careful up there -- we don't want to have to add any more names to the list!
(((LOL))) NO DOUBT !
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:o http://www.nbc4.com/news/10283922/detail.html (http://www.nbc4.com/news/10283922/detail.html) :( mountains are dangerous, just be careful out there :wink:
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You two be careful up there -- we don't want to have to add any more names to the list!
(((LOL))) NO DOUBT ![
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Whoever is coming to the VA Memorial, we would ask that you bring some flowers for the altar...preferably white or light colored.
Thanks!
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Not sure about white flowers but I got some green buds..
See ya all tomorrow......
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:rofl: :smokin: :tup:
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:rofl: :smokin: :tup:
Copy that Guerilla... :skull:
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Well, I think the memorial service couldn't have been much better...
Thanks to everybody for so many things...
Lots of LOVE...
I WILL NEVER 4 GIT IT !NICE 2 MEET U N S.E.P.
WAIT UNTIL THE PICS R POSTED !!!!!!!!!!!!!
-STEVE
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Glad it all went over well!
Alas, I didn't go. I knew it would have changed my life forever .....
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Glad it all went over well!
Alas, I didn't go. I knew it would have changed my life forever ....
MAN, IT LEFT ME SPEACH-LESS.
DRAGONFLY N THE PIRATE DID A H E L L OF A JOB !
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Im confused. I couldn't be there, but this post says insinuates a sucessfull turnout, while another says only 4 people were there.
Again, a bit confusing, but sorry I couldn't be there. Last minute family stuff precluded my coming.
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(http://http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics13/3_MISC/images/Bob_Altar2.jpg)
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Im confused. I couldn't be there, but this post says insinuates a sucessfull turnout, while another says only 4 people were there.
Again, a bit confusing, but sorry I couldn't be there. Last minute family stuff precluded my coming.
In Virginia there was a good turnout.....I believe 16 survivors plus family members, friends. I think there were 22 people there altogether. Florida is the one where 4 showed up.
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Im confused. I couldn't be there, but this post says insinuates a sucessfull turnout, while another says only 4 people were there.
Again, a bit confusing, but sorry I couldn't be there. Last minute family stuff precluded my coming.
In Virginia there was a good turnout.....I believe 16 survivors plus family members, friends. I think there were 22 people there altogether. Florida is the one where 4 showed up.
YES, IT WAS GREAT ! I WILL NEVER FORGET IT !
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I sure wish I could have made it.
Ginger
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Well, I'm on this computer here at the Fairfax Library...
The memorial service in Springfield rocked! Thanks to everyone who participated.
Froderick played Stairway To Heaven at the end and we all sang. Man, I'm tellin ya it was beautiful! Nice job Frod.
The after-party was incredible too.
Where are the pics ??? Somebody get 'em up.
More later...my time here is about up.
Peace to all. Pirate out.
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I sure wish I could have made it.
Ginger
I WAZ SO READY 2 MEET U.
-STEVE BROWN
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NCL and I posted our pics to the Yahoo Straight
THE PIC OF US PEEIN WAZ AWESOME !
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Thanks going out to Pirate and to my many new friends...
Thanks goes out to you!
It was good to see you again!
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I'm still reeling from the after-shocks.
It was a beautiful and very empowering service! I think it brought us all closer as a community, having shared this undescribable moment together. Perhaps a bit of closure, too.
The grand finale was great! Watering the wall! Some even went back to do it again! :lol:
It was great to be able to meet those who I hadn't met before and to see those who I knew. A bunch of good people they are!
This will be something I will never forget!
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I'm home now.
What a trip!
So good to be with people who get it!
For those who couldn't make it I will describe the scene some. The front of the building has all kinds of energy in it. Of course Ferguson is a business. They sell plumbing supplies and lighting fixtures, so the front of the building actually looks quite warm and inviting, that is, as commercial buildings in the middle of Babylon go. The grounds out front are all nicely landscaped and the grass is all lush and green, but as you turn the corner toward the back parking lot, which I sorta think of as the last stop before the gates to hell, a post-apocalyptic scene unfolds. The contrast is quite stark. The gravel is still there. Hardly anything is alive. It is like an abandoned lot. I mean the whole area around it is all developed with commercial bussinesses but no one wants that back parking lot. The only thing growing there is some hearty scrubgrass, all yellow and dry and sparse. That side of the building looks as though it has been totally ignored for years or maybe decades. The mortar between the bricks is all falling out and vines are growng up the walls. Ol' pieces of rusting metal litter the grounds. The same ol' pine trees border the lot.
We chose to have our memorial service right in the middle of the back parking lot. Seemed appropriate, and despite the wave of nausia that I think came over just about everyone who showed up, we were in the right place. A canopy was set up. Under the canopy an altar was created out of 2 blanketed, folding card tables. One blanket was black canvass(a piece of this black canvass is the mourning flag flying) and the other was from Tajikistan. Then white flowers and white candles and incense and sage were spread on the altar. A circle of about 40 candle lanterns defined the outer boundary of the space we held. These lanterns were all lit as the ceremony began. There was a bell made out of an ol' nitrious tank that had been cut in half hangin' behind the altar and as the bell was slowly rung another candle was lit until the circle was complete. Poetry was read. Offerrings were made. There was about a 10 minute silence at one point, as the candles on the flowered altar danced and flicked their light... M.I.s were burned. People were free to speak their minds and they did. The past was unleashed and things that had been left in darkness were brought to us....and by that I mean that there was a sense of righteousness and validation...
...of dignified respect.
After all the offerings were made and words spoken there was a toast to the fallen and the wounded. Plastic cups were passed out and people were given a choice of Champaigne, Jamesons Irish Whiskey or Soda. It was a long toast, I can't remember it all now, but it was righteous, I know that.
All in all it was a triumphant memorial. The cops even showed up at the end, just as we were all gettin' ready to cut out 'a' there...I didn't get near 'em but I think some survivor who had parked near where the cops had pulled up, talked to them and they left. None the less we got out of their in a hurry after that!
I just want the people who couldn't make it for whatever reason but who wanted to be there to have some idea of what went on.
Oh...and the peeing on the building an' stuff too.... :rofl:
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...Oh and the last time I peed on the building before I split I looked to my right, toward the door that we all walked through, every day on our way to the intake room or group, and there were flowers from the altar sticking out sillouetted against the Babylonian night.
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I'm home now.
What a trip!
So good to be with people who get it!
For those who couldn't make it I will describe the scene some. The front of the building has all kinds of energy in it. Of course Ferguson is a business. They sell plumbing supplies and lighting fixtures, so the front of the building actually looks quite warm and inviting, that is, as commercial buildings in the middle of Babylon go. The grounds out front are all nicely landscaped and the grass is all lush and green, but as you turn the corner toward the back parking lot, which I sorta think of as the last stop before the gates to hell, a post-apocalyptic scene unfolds. The contrast is quite stark. The gravel is still there. Hardly anything is alive. It is like an abandoned lot. I mean the whole area around it is all developed with commercial bussinesses but no one wants that back parking lot. The only thing growing there is some hearty scrubgrass, all yellow and dry and sparse. That side of the building looks as though it has been totally ignored for years or maybe decades. The mortar between the bricks is all falling out and vines are growng up the walls. Ol' pieces of rusting metal litter the grounds. The same ol' pine trees border the lot.
We chose to have our memorial service right in the middle of the back parking lot. Seemed appropriate, and despite the wave of nausia that I think came over just about everyone who showed up, we were in the right place. A canopy was set up. Under the canopy an altar was created out of 2 blanketed, folding card tables. One blanket was black canvass(a piece of this black canvass is the mourning flag flying) and the other was from Tajikistan. Then white flowers and white candles and incense and sage were spread on the altar. A circle of about 40 candle lanterns defined the outer boundary of the space we held. These lanterns were all lit as the ceremony began. There was a bell made out of an ol' nitrious tank that had been cut in half hangin' behind the altar and as the bell was slowly rung another candle was lit until the circle was complete. Poetry was read. Offerrings were made. There was about a 10 minute silence at one point, as the candles on the flowered altar danced and flicked their light... M.I.s were burned. People were free to speak their minds and they did. The past was unleashed and things that had been left in darkness were brought to us....and by that I mean that there was a sense of righteousness and validation...
...of dignified respect.
After all the offerings were made and words spoken there was a toast to the fallen and the wounded. Plastic cups were passed out and people were given a choice of Champaigne, Jamesons Irish Whiskey or Soda. It was a long toast, I can't remember it all now, but it was righteous, I know that.
All in all it was a triumphant memorial. The cops even showed up at the end, just as we were all gettin' ready to cut out 'a' there...I didn't get near 'em but I think some survivor who had parked near where the cops had pulled up, talked to them and they left. None the less we got out of their in a hurry after that!
I just want the people who couldn't make it for whatever reason but who wanted to be there to have some idea of what went on.
Oh...and the peeing on the building an' stuff too.... :rofl:
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
IDNB
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This was truely the most moving experience I have ever had. The memorial was beautiful, the set up was perfect.
Thank you so much to Dragonfly and Starry-eyed pirate for your excellent ideas and organization. Also a special thank you to Valhalla, lostnfound and Str8survivorVA. Everyone that I met, I feel is family and I hope to meet you all again someday.
Thank you to everyone who made this all happen as well as the after party. Had an awesome time meeting everyone.
Thank you for allowing me to be a part of it.
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Froderick played Stairway To Heaven at the end and we all sang. Man, I'm tellin ya it was beautiful! Nice job Frod.
Thanks! It was an honor to play that for Steve & Kelly the other night. Thanks to NCL for the last-minute encouragement and for printing up the lyrics, and thanks to the people who sang along! I would have been lost without the vox...
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A circle of about 40 candle lanterns defined the outer boundary of the space we held. These lanterns were all lit as the ceremony began. There was a bell made out of an ol' nitrious tank that had been cut in half hangin' behind the altar and as the bell was slowly rung another candle was lit until the circle was complete.
The ceremony was ended in the same deliberate way, but in reverse, so that as the bell rang out another candle was extinguished until the circle went dark again.
Just really wantin the people who couldn't make to get a clear picture of what went down.
::cheers::
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A circle of about 40 candle lanterns defined the outer boundary of the space we held. These lanterns were all lit as the ceremony began. There was a bell made out of an ol' nitrious tank that had been cut in half hangin' behind the altar and as the bell was slowly rung another candle was lit until the circle was complete.
The ceremony was ended in the same deliberate way, but in reverse, so that as the bell rang out another candle was extinguished until the circle went dark again.
Just really wantin the people who couldn't make to get a clear picture of what went down.
::cheers::
Maybe someone could write up a summary of the VA memorial?
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...uhhh....hunh...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I thought that's what we were doin'...
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pirate-out.
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...uhhh....hunh...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I thought that's what we were doin'...
Sorry I meant a summary all together (in one post)...kinda like was done after the last protest...remember? Just a thought.....
Btw, you and Dragonfly did a great job with the memorial!
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What ?!?! :rofl: That's you sister... You craft your words in battlements and direction...nicely written letter...
I'm kinda for keepin it private. But I just wanted some of the people who I knew would be interested to have some idea of how things went.
Thanks NCL.
Now. I'm out. Like wa-ay out.
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whats way out? you surely don't mean gumbo and greens?
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I'm kinda for keepin it private. But I just wanted some of the people who I knew would be interested to have some idea of how things went.
Now. I'm out. Like wa-ay out.
OK.
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What ?!?! :rofl: That's you sister... You craft your words in battlements
LETS HERE SOME POETRY MR. PIRATE
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Thank you for the description. I was torn about comming, and have since regretted it on more than one occasion. Let's do a Mt. thing soon(this spring/summer), maybe canoeing.. I need that. <3
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Ah hell... that's right...you were thinking of going... oh, well I guess we'll see ya next time.. :biggrin:
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Thank you for the description. I was torn about comming, and have since regretted it on more than one occasion. Let's do a Mt. thing soon(this spring/summer), maybe canoeing.. I need that. <3
Me too, torn in three and still bleeding on the ground. I need that too. Pm me and let's start doing some serious daydreaming about it.
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Thank you for the description. I was torn about comming, and have since regretted it on more than one occasion. Let's do a Mt. thing soon(this spring/summer), maybe canoeing.. I need that. <3
Me too, torn in three and still bleeding on the ground. I need that too. Pm me and let's start doing some serious daydreaming about it.
ME 3 !
U MAY HAVE 2 PUSH THOUGH.
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Meade :D
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Meade :D
Steve?
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me thinks you are homo meade
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I don't get it. :question:
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Drink mead! ::cheers::
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yep
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Yup ?
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hello - I joined this sight and my username is Sybil....I was at the service not to long ago and your faces still ring clear in my mind...I miss all of you and wish I had more time to spend with each of you. Today - I find comfort in knowing that I'm not alone with my thinking. I will say this...I don't know how much I will post on this sight as me?? I have trust issues with anything that has to do with Straight. There is a part of me....that knows the power that William Sembler has and I am sure he has someone watching this site....maybe we all should find other forms of conatct...I don't know?? I met someone from B-more that I would love to have a drink with see live music together.....
HUGS
Sybil
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Welcome...welcome to the forum.
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thanks you :D
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thanks you :
yup WE R GLAD U R HERE !
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