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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on July 24, 2009, 12:22:26 PM
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Hello everyone.
I am in possession of HLA's entire case file (that is public information) from ORS. This is a lot of material. What I have covers the 2005 to 2007 time frame.
Much of it is poorly redacted with many children's names left unredacted and as such I will not post the entire file for fear that people would be hurt by it (plus, at 2900 pages, it is just too much work to complete in spare time).
That being said, I will take any questions you have, research the documents and post the answers along with citation where one can view the original public record.
Right up front, let me say so there is no confusion, there are reports of: Run-aways, Suicide Attempts, Sexual Assaults, Batteries (child-on-child and staff-on-child), Food Deprivation, Water Deprivation, Shelter Deprivation, Forced Labor, Improper Restraints, Serious Injury to Children by Staff, Lying to Parents About Children's Condition, Falsification of Records, etc, etc, etc.
In complete honesty, it is far worse than I had envisioned; worse than when it opened. It shows a record of worsening conditions and treatment, not improvement. Some parts shocked my sensibilities.
Please go ahead and ask what you would like to know and I will respond as time allows with direct quotation and citation from the ORS reports.
Thank you.
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OCR the whole thing (if it isn't already) and then use search-and-replace to redact, then post the entirety.
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DJ,
I’ll start with…
Of the (staff on child incidents) of physical harm and deprivation are there staff members who were involved in any of these who are still employed by HLA?
Are there current staffers of HLA who were on shift at the time of such injuries that did not properly intercede or report these incidents?
Are there staffers currently employed by HLA who were involved in the falsification of documents?
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Where are they now? I know Nicole is working for Ken Huey @ CALO (http://"http). Anything in that file about her?
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Thank you for your questions. I am sorry to say that I forgot to bring the files home from my office due to some Friday afternoon urgent-before-close-of-business items.
Let me give you some short responses and I will elaborate and cite documents next week.
Antigen, There is plenty about Nicole in the ORS documents. Most importantly, the documents show that the emails exchanged between her and Clarke Poole are in fact authentic and part of the record. I knew these emails were authentic a long time ago, as they were given to me by an HLA employee. However, there is the crowd of naysayers that always say "Show the proof! I don't believe you!" Well, those folks will be sore to know that all of that information is proven fact, including the story of a young woman sexually assaulted and sodomized with a tree branch. More on this later...
Inculcated, I will have to look carefully at what isn't redacted (ORS was very careful in redacting staff names, but very, very sloppy with the names of children and their parents). I will do my best to ferret out what you're asking, but be patient, the paper stack is over a foot thick.
There are some staff-on-child violence items, but the worst parts are child-on-child where grievous injuries occurred due to complete and utter lack of supervision. The inmates apparently run the prison at HLA by using brutal tactics like binding weaker children hand and foot with "zip ties" and beating them senseless, beatings so bad that children were left with concussions, microwaving urine scalding hot and throwing it in other kids' faces and much, much more. I will elaborate on this soon.
Thanks for your patience.
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microwaving urine scalding hot and throwing it in other kids' faces
WHAT THE FUCK?
Bump
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Jeeese, Like he said a good part of these are children on children assaults. Where was the supervision? As far as the isolated cases where staff was involved I think it is a good question was “are these staff people still working there?”… I mean come-on, It may seem safe to leave kids alone for a few minutes in a room but kids are resourceful.. I cant believe they micro waved up their own urine and started throwing it on each other. That is nuts. Kids will turn on each other if left alone….They need to hire more staff!!
If HLA can tighten up the supervision on these kids and weed out the staff who are ineffective they can probably reduce this activity. But they need to get their butt in gear if this is still going on today.
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...If HLA can tighten up the supervision on these kids...
From the AP wire:Troll defies laws of physics by managing astounding leaps in “logic” on stumpy little legs.
…or HLA could hire say competently trained care givers and try creating an environment that doesn’t inflict soul damaging harm through oppression and privations that the children suffering under such conditions might unconsciously be compelled to recreate as an unhealthy misdirected outlet for their feelings resulting from their obviously unhealthy environment and toward those who left them there.
Your “reasoning” would infer that a supervised environment suitable for children includes a cage match in a well watched pit of hell.
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...If HLA can tighten up the supervision on these kids...
From the AP wire:Troll defies laws of physics by managing astounding leaps in “logic” on stumpy little legs.
…or HLA could hire say competently trained care givers and try creating an environment that doesn’t inflict soul damaging harm through oppression and privations that the children suffering under such conditions might unconsciously be compelled to recreate as an unhealthy misdirected outlet for their feelings resulting from their obviously unhealthy environment and toward those who left them there.
Your “reasoning” would infer that a supervised environment suitable for children includes a cage match in a well watched pit of hell.
well, if they did initiate corrective action in these areas we would see it in a dramatically reduced number of infractions and number of investigations by the ORS from 2007 forward. Maybe they got rid of the old staff, retrained and hired enough people to affect the staff/ student ratio to the point where these abuses are abated. We can all sit around and speculate but the reports will speak for themselves.
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You’re right the reports will tell a lot. Reviewing how management chose to respond to incidents involving harm to children will surely provide an elucidating glimpse in to how dangerous programs are operated and continue their operations with impunity.
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HLA, whenever possible, did not report any incidents to any authorities. Only after investigators interviewed staff and children did they begin to understand the goins-on at HLA. And it is not a pretty picture.
Since 2005 TheWho has been saying none of this ever happened. Now he's saying as long as it is 'improving since 2007' that HLA is great. He's a money-grubbing scumbag, but that's beside the point.
HLA is worse today than in 2007. They're broke, cut back even more on staff, cut activites, sports, horse program, etc. Due to the lack of staff supervision security is at it's lowest point ever and dorms are watched only by cameras monitored by a third party off site.
When parents demand copies of the video tapes when their children are physically assualted in the dorms, HLA tells them they can't have the tapes due to "privavcy concerns."
GREAT place to drop off your kid, parents.
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HLA, whenever possible, did not report any incidents to any authorities. Only after investigators interviewed staff and children did they begin to understand the goins-on at HLA. And it is not a pretty picture.
Since 2005 TheWho has been saying none of this ever happened. Now he's saying as long as it is 'improving since 2007' that HLA is great. He's a money-grubbing scumbag, but that's beside the point.
We have yet to see any evidence or links to lawsuits where people claimed they were abused. We have ORS reports which are in the hands of one person who was or is presently in litigation with HLA and another who is an ex-employee. So the information we receive isn’t going to be unbiased or even accurate.
HLA is worse today than in 2007. They're broke, cut back even more on staff, cut activites, sports, horse program, etc. Due to the lack of staff supervision security is at it's lowest point ever and dorms are watched only by cameras monitored by a third party off site.
So do you measure better and worse based on ORS reports or the number of horses they own? The ORS reports show they are doing fine since 2007.
When parents demand copies of the video tapes when their children are physically assualted in the dorms, HLA tells them they can't have the tapes due to "privavcy concerns."
Of course they are not going to hand over the tapes of kids in their dorms. If they were tapes of you or your kids would you want them released to the public?
GREAT place to drop off your kid, parents.
At least you are softening up a little.. a few years ago it would have been worded:
“great place to have your kid kidnapped and incarcerated/ imprisoned in”
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Peter since youre back on topic let me reask you my earlier question:
What do you consider to be abuse?
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Peter since youre back on topic let me reask you my earlier question:
What do you consider to be abuse?
Remember thewho isnt responding until you get your guest posts strung together. I would work on that first. Why wouldnt you want to just rub thewhos face in it? Show him he is wrong about you.
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Because he can't accept there's nothing to string together. In the meantime I'll continue to tear apart his positions and hold his feet to the fire. Because he is an idiot either way he loses . If he chooses not to respond he looks like the coward he is, who is afraid of a simple question. If he does respond his argument gets torn to pieces. Either way his non existent credibility goes even further down the toilet.
So Peter, the question remains. What do you consider to be abuse?
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Because he can't accept there's nothing to string together. In the meantime I'll continue to tear apart his positions and hold his feet to the fire. Because he is an idiot either way he loses . If he chooses not to respond he looks like the coward he is, who is afraid of a simple question. If he does respond his argument gets torn to pieces. Either way his non existent credibility goes even further down the toilet.
So Peter, the question remains. What do you consider to be abuse?
you said you did have a few quest posts awhile back. Why not just have them all strung together. I would like to see his response after psy strings all your posts together and your post count only increases by 5 posts. Otherwise it looks bad if you refuse to get it done.
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Nah. He and everyone else has already seen my multiple request to have my guest posts linked. In reality he's just playing his usual M.O. He hates accountablility and will do anything to avoid it. This is his way of keeping his own guest posts from being linked. He's stupid enough to think people don't know when he's playing games, arguing with himself, posting under various guises, et cet. He wants to avoid being exposed and he thinks being a coward is the way to do it. If he had nothing to hide he'd do it. As far as my five guest posts go, aside from the fact that linking them would make a no difference as I dont play the same games he plays, he's probably unaware of what's involved in linking the posts. Psy would have to go through the entire board's history scouring for them. You can't just run an ip search and have them all pop right up. Because I havent posted as a guest in the past year it would make things a little difficult. What's his excuse?
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No Bruce you dont have to tab through the whole database looking for your posts. Whether you have 5 quest posts or 500 quest posts, the work is the same. Its a few steps..this is a little simplified but it should give you and idea.
Step 1.
Run a unique query to search for all the ip#s which have been used under the name “RobertBruce”.
Step 2.
Run a query listing “All” posts which have been made under those IP numbers.
Step 3.
Run an update query to update the list (in Step 2) with the user name “Robert Bruce”
You didn’t seem to mind bugging psy when it was thewho’s posts that you wanted updated. If you are being honest your post count should only increase by 5 posts.
I am starting to side with Thewho on this and I dont want to ever do that, shit!! Get it done Bruce!!
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That's actually not how its done, but you're more then welcome to try and expose the man behind the curtain. If you're right Peter, you have nothing to lose.
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HLA, whenever possible, did not report any incidents to any authorities. Only after investigators interviewed staff and children did they begin to understand the goins-on at HLA. And it is not a pretty picture.
Since 2005 TheWho has been saying none of this ever happened. Now he's saying as long as it is 'improving since 2007' that HLA is great. He's a money-grubbing scumbag, but that's beside the point.
We have yet to see any evidence or links to lawsuits where people claimed they were abused. We have ORS reports which are in the hands of one person who was or is presently in litigation with HLA and another who is an ex-employee. So the information we receive isn’t going to be unbiased or even accurate.
HLA is worse today than in 2007. They're broke, cut back even more on staff, cut activites, sports, horse program, etc. Due to the lack of staff supervision security is at it's lowest point ever and dorms are watched only by cameras monitored by a third party off site.
So do you measure better and worse based on ORS reports or the number of horses they own? The ORS reports show they are doing fine since 2007.
When parents demand copies of the video tapes when their children are physically assualted in the dorms, HLA tells them they can't have the tapes due to "privavcy concerns."
Of course they are not going to hand over the tapes of kids in their dorms. If they were tapes of you or your kids would you want them released to the public?
GREAT place to drop off your kid, parents.
At least you are softening up a little.. a few years ago it would have been worded:
“great place to have your kid kidnapped and incarcerated/ imprisoned in”
I committed murder in 2007, but since I haven't done any more murders since then that I have been caught for, I am not a murderer. Sure, that makes a lot of sense.
And about those ORS reports you read saying since 2007 HLA has had no infractions, where are they? Of course all the evidence points in the opposite direction, but kids being abused doesn't matter to you. Only MORE kids being abused matters. Heads in beds.
Do you consider a staff member throwing a kid head first on the ground and causing a concussion abuse? I bet not.
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Everything changes over time. Some for the better some for the worst. So it is best to look at the most current information when making a decision. Is 3,000 pages alot? a little? How do we know if this is better or worse than average?
I never said that HLA didnt have any infractions since 2007. I was asking the question. Are they better off today? A better school? Are their infractions increasing and how do they compare with other schools/programs?
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There are some staff-on-child violence items, but the worst parts are child-on-child where grievous injuries occurred due to complete and utter lack of supervision. The inmates apparently run the prison at HLA by using brutal tactics like binding weaker children hand and foot with "zip ties" and beating them senseless, beatings so bad that children were left with concussions, microwaving urine scalding hot and throwing it in other kids' faces and much, much more. I will elaborate on this soon.
Everything changes over time. Some for the better some for the worst. So it is best to look at the most current information when making a decision. Is 3,000 pages alot? a little? How do we know if this is better or worse than average?
I never said that HLA didnt have any infractions since 2007. I was asking the question. Are they better off today? A better school? Are their infractions increasing and how do they compare with other schools/programs?
Yeah OK can we vote to revoke this cretin's implied humanity now?
Hey DJ, post the worst of the worst. Just the most sensibility-shocking things you can find. And then forward them to various groups in Georgia that might be in a position both to give a shit and do something about it.
Oh, and every time a name was NOT redacted, forward it to the person whose name it is. I'm sure they'll love to see themselves in ORS documents!
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Sometimes it is best to put it in perspective I looked at 8 random Child care facilities in Georgia and compared them to HLA:
ORS reports/invstigations from 2007 to July 26, 2009
HLA --2 Annual, 1 investigation (investigation initiated by HLA)
ABBA House-- 2 Annual , 7 investigations
Bald ridge lodge --1 annual , 5 investigations
Chris kids inc.-- 2 annual, 7 investigations
Covenent childrens home-- 2 annuals, 6 investigations
Family community care centers-- 2 annuals, 7 investigations
Methodist home for children-- 4 annuals, 11 investigations
Open arms-- 2 annual, 11 investigations
Eckard --1 annual, 5 investigations
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Thank you for giving us all some perspective on how rampant the abuses against children in these programs can be. No such transgressions should be excused or allowed to continue unchallenged.
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Thank you for giving us all some perspective on how rampant the abuses against children in these programs can be. No such transgressions should be excused or allowed to continue unchallenged.
Exactly, so we can see that if a family had to choose a placement for their child out of the 100's available in Georgia, HLA is ranked one of the safest based on the ORS reports. It would be interesting to see how these places stack up against the public school system or Nursing Homes.
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Sometimes it is best to put it in perspective I looked at 8 random Child care facilities in Georgia and compared them to HLA:
ORS reports/invstigations from 2007 to July 26, 2009
HLA --2 Annual, 1 investigation (investigation initiated by HLA)
ABBA House-- 2 Annual , 7 investigations
Bald ridge lodge --1 annual , 5 investigations
Chris kids inc.-- 2 annual, 7 investigations
Covenent childrens home-- 2 annuals, 6 investigations
Family community care centers-- 2 annuals, 7 investigations
Methodist home for children-- 4 annuals, 11 investigations
Open arms-- 2 annual, 11 investigations
Eckard --1 annual, 5 investigations
what you will also find is that the public school system is 10 times worse than the private institutions. Anytime you gather at-risk or delinquent type youths together you can expect a high incidence of problems between themselves and staff. I dont hink anyone would expect it to be problem free by any stretch of the imagination.
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what you will also find
...is that the samefag is same.
Maybe, just maybe, if you put just that little more effort into derailing threads and spewing nonsense, you might be able to blunt the impact of THREE THOUSAND PAGES of damning material.
Try harder! If it doesn't work, nuke your own piss for a while and chug it as an energy drink. Anything at all to avoid culpability. Anything at all to avoid the truth.
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what you will also find is that the public school system is 10 times worse than the private institutions. Anytime you gather at-risk or delinquent type youths together you can expect a high incidence of problems between themselves and staff. I dont hink anyone would expect it to be problem free by any stretch of the imagination
By all means, provide evidence to support this claim.
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what you will also find
...is that the samefag is same.
Maybe, just maybe, if you put just that little more effort into derailing threads and spewing nonsense, you might be able to blunt the impact of THREE THOUSAND PAGES of damning material.
Try harder! If it doesn't work, nuke your own piss for a while and chug it as an energy drink. Anything at all to avoid culpability. Anything at all to avoid the truth.
I am sorry the discussion bothers you, but I think it is an important piece of the discussion.
What does 3,000 pages mean? Your local school may generate 10,000 pages in the same time frame. Meaning (per your messurement) parents should try to get their kids into HLA as soon as possible because they are 70% safer. Do you see what I mean? DSS may generate 10,000 pages just in your town alone… so is 3,000 pages over 2 or 3 years safer than having your kids in public school?
Lets say the government told you that your area (where you live) had a density of 2 million mosquitoes per square mile and you were worried about “west niles virus”. Would this motivate you to move? Would you feel safe or unsafe? How could you know unless you knew what the average community was. 2 million is a lot!!! But what if you were then told that the average community has a density of 8 million mosquitoes per square mile? You would then feel a lot safer. So you have only one piece of the equation i.e. 3,000 pages.
So 3,000 pages is meaningless unless we know what the average is… where will our kids feel safe and where is the best place for them. We need to find answers to these questions.
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We have yet to see any evidence or links to lawsuits where people claimed they were abused. We have ORS reports which are in the hands of one person who was or is presently in litigation with HLA and another who is an ex-employee. So the information we receive isn’t going to be unbiased or even accurate.
Again...Although I initiated this lawsuit, a lawsuit that bears my name, I pulled out long ago because I was not in agreement with NOT citing negligence in the lawsuit; I was NOT in agreement with the settlement, nor was I in agreement with the attorneys for the plaintiffs. HLA was investigated in 2006 not by it's own initiation - far from it. The investigation/ investigations you are citing, are investigations of incident reports turned in from Ridge Creek and HLA, not a full blown investigation as that of 2006. The 2006 ORS investigation of HLA sprung from repeated complaints of neglect,abuse, ethical violations, etc. that date back to 2001( as I am aware) and obviously from the letter/letters Gov. Perdue forwarded to the ORS(when I was initially called by the ORS, they stated my letter to the Governor was before them, and I imagine there were more).
If you seek the lawsuits against HLA, you shall find them...it is in the HLA post settlement disclosure in Ryan vs. HLA. You will find this on Pacer. Any funds paid by out of court settlements, you will not find, as the plaintiffs signed off non-disclosure documents with Buccellato's former attorney's 'Quirk and Quirk", which to my knowledge includes 4 former staff. It was not just the children that were alleged to have been abused.
Again, I stand by EVERYTHING that was alleged in Ryan vs. HLA. I stand by EVERYTHING that was turned over to the GAO. I stand by EVERYTHING that was turned over to the IRS. Frankly, with everything I know, I am surprised I am still standing.
The only reason the ORS licensed HLA was because their back was to the wall, the ORS would have rather shoved it all back under the rug (as the documents prove time and again) along with the rest of the politicians in Georgia( although the Gov. did step up to the plate with the ORS, if just for an email in time).
Are we biased? Yes, because our government was to be "for the People" and their job was to protect and serve - they stood by and did nothing because of politics. Georgia needs to clean house, period. Each and every one of you that closed his/her eyes to what was before you, is just as responsible as Leonard Buccellato. What transpired there was absolutely not only unethical on all fronts, but criminal.
"men in the game are blind to what men looking on see clearly".
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So 3,000 pages is meaningless unless we know what the average is… where will our kids feel safe and where is the best place for them. We need to find answers to these questions.
Then by all means, provide something from the public sector we can compare it to.
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So 3,000 pages is meaningless unless we know what the average is… where will our kids feel safe and where is the best place for them. We need to find answers to these questions.
I dunno about other people, but personally I'd like a place with zero violations like my local school district and my local in/outpatient facilities.
Why would anyone be so stupid as to ask if 3000 pages "is more than average"? Who cares? It's hundreds and hundreds of violations.
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So 3,000 pages is meaningless unless we know what the average is… where will our kids feel safe and where is the best place for them. We need to find answers to these questions.
I dunno about other people, but personally I'd like a place with zero violations like my local school district and my local in/outpatient facilities.
Why would anyone be so stupid as to ask if 3000 pages "is more than average"? Who cares? It's hundreds and hundreds of violations.
Good luck finding a place with zero violations. I went thru 6 pages of schools in the state of Georgia and there were not any. You might want to consider home schooling... oh but you would need to get rid of your microwave because if your kid heated up some urine or tied a sibling up with rope you would be considered a highly abusive household.
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My local school district has zero violations. Neither do my local outpatient or inpatient facilities.
As for Georgia schools, you'll have to post what you've found, as it sounds very suspicious.
The main point here is that HLA is dangerous, unsafe, untherapeutic and run in an illegal manner. This is well-documented. So I don't care how HLA ranks in a continuum of "TBS's" because all I have to do is take a five minute perusal of HLA's case file to know I would never, ever place any kid there for any reason. It's really that simple. I don't care which of these facilities is worse or "less bad" because if it's at all "bad" I wouldn't send any kid there. Why would I? My local school is safe and my local clinics are safe and my local hospitals are safe. Why roll the dice and hope my kid is one who doesn't get abused.
And as far as the other items you listed, urine and microwaves don't make a place unsafe. Taking kids that microwave urine until it boils and throw it in a sleeping kid's face because the only "supervision" is a camera is what makes HLA unsafe. Also ty-wraps don't make a place unsafe, but taking kids who will bind other kids hand-and-foot while they beat the shit out of them with no supervision is what makes HLA unsafe. Get it now?
HLA take dangerous kids, mixes them together with more-or-less normal kids and walks away, allowing the kids to make the rules and determine "justice" and this is what makes HLA so very dangerous for kids. It's really not that deep.
Face the facts: HLA is a dangerous, poorly run facility. No amount of arguing or deflecting will change that. You spent years trying to tell everyone that these problems never happened or that HLA had fixed them. Everyone now sees you were not telling the truth and that instead of fighting against a place that has been confirmed to break the law and hurt kids you try to mask the problems, thusly allowing more kids to be hurt and abused. What you are doing by trying to muddy the waters is wrong and you are contributing to more children being hurt. I guess you really don't care as long as HLA can still make money.
It's sad that you show no care or concern for those who have been hurt and you actively campaign to allow HLA to continue this way. This thread really shows your true colors.
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I am playing the devils advocate. I havent nor would I send my kid to HLA for a variety of reasons. But lets say we handed the stack of 3,000 pages to Len or whatever the owners name is.. let him select a few tidbits or line items and explain them in his own way. Would you accept that and do you think the readers would get a fair view of HLA?
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The ORS report is MORE THAN FAIR to HLA. ORS went out of its way not to violate HLA on many items, yet they ended up having to do so because HLA failed to remediate itself over and over again, proving "self-policing" to be worthless (ala NATSAP).
Why play "devil's advocate" for an obviously failing facility? Where does your need come from? There has never been any evidence that HLA's program is clinically valid or sound. There is a ton of evidence that HLA is a shoddy facility AT BEST and a real shit-pit warehouse at worst. I'm inclined to believe it's somehwere between "very bad" and "heinous" and that is a fair depiction.
Try actually reading the ORS reports. If you're so interested in painting a "fair" picture, order up the docs from ORS, READ THEM and THEN opine.
HLA is a failure as a treatment modality and a failure as a business. What MORE do you need to know before saying NOBODY should send a kid there?
Why not try playing CHILD ADVOCATE for once since you already know HLA is a terrible place you wouldn't send your own kid to?? Not doing so really hammers your credibility. Be honest. Call a spade a spade, man.
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With Hollowhead gone, Grimwood gone, Travers gone, Kathleen Heasley gone and a myriad of others...who exactly is minding the store? The ORS visited in Dec. 2008 - more violations, remedy was expected by HLA Jan. 2009... it's July... what is the ORS position now, not that they ever stuck their neck out to have one.
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I agree it would put to bed many of my questions if I had a copy for myself. As far as being a devils advocate I think it is sorely needed…. here on fornits especially. I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here. It would be a disservice to parents and children alike to water down the definition of abuse (as an example) to the point that every child in America falls under the definition. We have posters here who claim to have been abused but when the details are looked at the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten. This isn’t fair to the kids who are truly being abused.
There are suicides and car accidents which are attributed to programs (by posters here) and when you take the time to read the details of the deaths it turns out these kids died years after leaving and were not even near the program when they died. This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
HLA may indeed be an abusive school, but I am justifiably cautious about the source of the information. Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
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I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here.
Would that include you making fun of kids being abused, and denying their abuse and deaths ever occured?
the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten
Are you serious? Who is this person? He should be admonished immediatly. Link to the post in question so we can hold this person accountable. Anyone pretending to be abused has serious issues.
This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
I know what you mean. It's sort of like posters who refuse to provide evidence to back up their own pro-program position, or when faced with difficult questions simply make up things. It really ruins that programmies credibility.
Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
Well the thing is Buchi doesnt feel he should ever have to answer any questions, hence why he settled. This is the same guy who threatened to fire his employees for allowing people with warrants onto the school property rather then being arrested. What are your thoughts on that?
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I agree it would put to bed many of my questions if I had a copy for myself. As far as being a devils advocate I think it is sorely needed…. here on fornits especially. I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here. It would be a disservice to parents and children alike to water down the definition of abuse (as an example) to the point that every child in America falls under the definition. We have posters here who claim to have been abused but when the details are looked at the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten. This isn’t fair to the kids who are truly being abused.
There are suicides and car accidents which are attributed to programs (by posters here) and when you take the time to read the details of the deaths it turns out these kids died years after leaving and were not even near the program when they died. This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
HLA may indeed be an abusive school, but I am justifiably cautious about the source of the information. Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
^^TheWho^^ Why do you obsess with the suicide and car analogies.
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I agree it would put to bed many of my questions if I had a copy for myself. As far as being a devils advocate I think it is sorely needed…. here on fornits especially. I do much to advocate for children and a small part of that advocacy is to try to keep an honest perspective here. It would be a disservice to parents and children alike to water down the definition of abuse (as an example) to the point that every child in America falls under the definition. We have posters here who claim to have been abused but when the details are looked at the person posting this was only in the program for a few weeks and was required to haul wood for the elderly, clean common areas and open fields etc.. So he places himself in the same category as a girl who was raped and beaten. This isn’t fair to the kids who are truly being abused.
There are suicides and car accidents which are attributed to programs (by posters here) and when you take the time to read the details of the deaths it turns out these kids died years after leaving and were not even near the program when they died. This level of desperation to discredit programs at all costs leaves one to wonder what the credibility is of their own personal stories is. So my skepticism is not unwarranted and is renewed on a daily basis.
HLA may indeed be an abusive school, but I am justifiably cautious about the source of the information. Like I said earlier if the stack of 3,000 pages was given to this guy Len would the information be disseminated differently? I think of course it would. This is why I am trying to read between the lines the best I can and trying to ask the right questions.
^^TheWho^^ Why do you obsess with the suicide and car analogies.
Because he, John Reuben, drove his own son to suicide.
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Oh, I get it!! DROVE. Thats where the car analogies come from. I almost missed that. Thats really cleaver
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With Hollowhead gone, Grimwood gone, Travers gone, Kathleen Heasley gone and a myriad of others...who exactly is minding the store? The ORS visited in Dec. 2008 - more violations, remedy was expected by HLA Jan. 2009... it's July... what is the ORS position now, not that they ever stuck their neck out to have one.
Yep, they're all gone, and then some. Check back in another couple of weeks and you just might find that HLA's longest surviving employee, Len's very first hire, is also among the missing.
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Who? Lee? Jim?
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or Clay...
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Who? Lee? Jim?
This would have to be Dave. He was there at the startup and I never heard that he left.
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http://www.ridgecreek.org/rc-staff (http://www.ridgecreek.org/rc-staff) This needs to be up-dated...since Hollowhead is now with Aspen and Grimwood is gone. Odds are D.R. will be next... chop, chop. Look for Buccellato to start pumpiong up Ridge Creek/Mount Brook academically and every other way to ed cons...then, possibly one scenario, good-bye HLA come October, shift to Ridge Creek/ Mountain Brook with a dual license thanks to the ORS. Creekside shows no license with the ORS....
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Lee is gone.
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Cultural changes need to occur from the “Top” down not from the “bottom” up. This has been argued many times here on fornits. If change is indeed going to be effective you need to clean house and institute the change with a new set of staff. This is assuming that the top person is truly bought into cultural change. It will be interesting to see how effective the changes are to customer satisfaction and ORS reports.
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Cultural changes need to occur from the “Top” down not from the “bottom” up. This has been argued many times here on fornits. If change is indeed going to be effective you need to clean house and institute the change with a new set of staff. This is assuming that the top person is truly bought into cultural change. It will be interesting to see how effective the changes are to customer satisfaction and ORS reports.
Looking at the ORS reports from a purly volume perspective we have 3,000 pages generated from 2005 thru 2007. There have been less then 100 pages generated from 2007 thru 2009. So there has been a tremendous improvement in this area. I am not sure if this is due to the change in staff or that HLA is just taking a different direction. I havent heard from any parents from recent grads so I dont know if this has filtered down to effect customer satisfation or not.
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Or perhaps the licensure we forced on them.
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I am not sure if this is due to the change in staff or that HLA is just taking a different direction.
Ah, change in staff? What staff? There is no staff. The staff numbers declined since 2005, staff were replaced by in-house staff, such as Stapp moved up to replace Cates. Also, teachers were replaced by in-house staff that did not even have degrees in the subject they ended up teaching, such as Kees DeVentes (Spiritual Co-ordinator). Many staff had a conflict with lying to the parents, so they quit, that included counselors. New young counselors out of school were hired such as Mya Martin, but when they wised up, they left. It took 7 months to replace the Special Ed. teacher, Marla - and that was only because parents found out there was no special ed teacher. Marla was not silenced immediately for nothing. It was no different than the nurse being fired, not having a replacement in line, Buccellato had office staff handing out meds... and, if one will notice, where did Joe Farrell and Martin Quirk of "Quirk and Quirk Lawfirm" go? Did that lawfirm walk to protect themselves...? Joe Farrell certainly spewed alot of lies for Buccellato (letters to ORS, answers to demand letters) over the years. All of a sudden, 'Quirk and Quirk' is gone, Joe Farrell is gone( remember all those cease and desist letters signed by the Lumpkin County Judge now retired ), Martin Quirk is not listed as "agent" on all Buccellato's property holdings , in walks another old friend Thornton Morris on all holdings... A different direction? Don't think so, because Buccellato may change his players, but they'll all share the same spots of those before them and that of their 'leader'... Innovative ways to mask the truth is far less reaching than expecting "change" or "taking a different direction" from this lot.
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Cultural changes need to occur from the “Top” down not from the “bottom” up. This has been argued many times here on fornits. If change is indeed going to be effective you need to clean house and institute the change with a new set of staff. This is assuming that the top person is truly bought into cultural change. It will be interesting to see how effective the changes are to customer satisfaction and ORS reports.
Looking at the ORS reports from a purly volume perspective we have 3,000 pages generated from 2005 thru 2007. There have been less then 100 pages generated from 2007 thru 2009. So there has been a tremendous improvement in this area. I am not sure if this is due to the change in staff or that HLA is just taking a different direction. I havent heard from any parents from recent grads so I dont know if this has filtered down to effect customer satisfation or not.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :beat: :beat:
100 pages? You obviously haven't requested this information or read any of it.
Let me clue you in on something: what is posted on the ORS website for public viewing is only +/- 5% of the total documents about HLA. You have to request the documents under GA FOIA and pay the fee to get the whole file.
If, as you say, there are 100 pages posted, you are looking at more like 2000 pages in the case file.
This is the same garbage you were peddling from 2005-2009. "HLA is improving" etc, etc etc. But, in reality, HLA was getting worse and worse, as it is now. It still has all of the same issues, only there is virtually no staff left to oversee the facility. HLA is like "Lord of the Flies" now more than ever.
I expect HLA to blink out very soon, as this path is clearly unsustainable.
Nice try, but you are once more grossly misinforming readers.
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I haven’t seen any proof that the ORS only posts 5% of their documents (and not sure where this would come from) but for the sake of argument lets just say they do. Lets just say you are right and we only see 5% of the reports. From 2007 to last Friday The Ors has accumulated 16 pages on HLA . That would mean we are not seeing 304 pages. So in total that would make 320 pages. That is a huge step down from 3,000 over the same time period. So we can see that there is a tremendous improvement in this area.
ORS Reports 2007 - Present (http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/facilitysummaryadd.jsp?varFACID=CCI001710)
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Epic fail. These are only inspection reports. These have nothing to do with incident reports.
Pay the fee, get the docs and then opine about "improvement." What you are seeing in the link you provided are only reports from mandatory inspections which only cover plant deficiencies (like bad plumbing, etc.) and mandatory record-keeping. This is only the tip of the iceburg.
You are trying to sell an apples-to-oranges comparison. Show the incident reports.
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Based on what? What are you comparing it to?
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5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages. So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around. Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.
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What I said was that TheWho tried to compare inspection reports to incident reports. These are two totally different things and only inspection reports are posted online. He's trying to sell inspection reports as a complete picture, which tells me he has never seen HLA's file.
Anyway, if you look at the inspection reports he lnked to, they show that HLA fails to meet legal requirements in 50-70% of the inspected items ranging from the safety of the environment to staff training. The reports say that several employees were allowed to work with the kids with ZERO training and that the facilty is unsafe.
Totally untrained people are working with your kids in an unsafe environment, parents. Read the inspection reports. And after you digest those, request HLA's FULL file. This will turn your stomach.
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5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages. So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around. Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.
Noooooo....no, no, no. This staement is 100% false. Inspection reports are what you looked at, Whooter, not INCIDENT reports. You haven't seen a single incident report. Stop trying to say inspection reports are incident reports. It's an obvious lie used as a premise by which anyone can invalidate your conclusion.
What happened to keeping it honest?? You are not honest, by any stretch.
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5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages. So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around. Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.
Noooooo....no, no, no. This staement is 100% false. Inspection reports are what you looked at, Whooter, not INCIDENT reports. You haven't seen a single incident report. Stop trying to say inspection reports are incident reports. It's an obvious lie used as a premise by which anyone can invalidate your conclusion.
What happened to keeping it honest?? You are not honest, by any stretch.
Again, Guest wrote: "Let me clue you in on something: what is posted on the ORS website for public viewing is only +/- 5% of the total documents about HLA.
The discussion was total documents.... The ORS has 3,000 pages from 2005 to 2007. The ORS has 320 pages from 2005 thru last Friday. There is a huge decrease there.
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Not true. Tell me, do you have a copy of HLA's case file, 2007-2009? No, you don't. So you are talking out of your ass on all topics, including the "number of pages" of ORS reports.
Not very honest, Who. Your credibility is getting worse and worse. You called "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is a lie. You then went on to calculate a figure based on your lie. You look really weak here.
Anybody can click the link you provided and read that none of the docs are incident reports. Try again.
The sole investigation report shows HLA acting illegally in every single random sample case. Every single sample had from 15% to 100% failure rate for legally required reporting and child safety measures, including offering no staff training, unsafe environment, missing records and on and on and on. They didn't pass a single investigation item, not ONE.
HLA is a shit-hole, based on the records you provided, Who. Thanks!
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
completed service and room, board and watchful oversight plan in six of six files.
Findings include:
Review of resident file #1, file #2, file #3, file #4 and file #5 on December 3, 2008 revealed the
agency failed to provide a service and room, board and watchful oversight plan.
Review of resident file #6 on December 3, 2008 revealed the agency provided documentation of a
service and room, board and watchful plan dated September 23, 2008 however, failed to
document activities by the staff towards the goals, goals and preliminary plans for discharge and
restrictions of communication and visitation.
Interview with staff E on December 3, 2008 at 12:30pm acknowledged the findings.
Wow, failure in 100% of cases to comply with the law. But, surely, this is an improvement, right?
This was previously cited December 5, 2007.
Ohhhhhh...I guess not. :heartbreak:
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
completed service and room, board and watchful oversight plan in six of six files.
Findings include:
Review of resident file #1, file #2, file #3, file #4 and file #5 on December 3, 2008 revealed the
agency failed to provide a service and room, board and watchful oversight plan.
Review of resident file #6 on December 3, 2008 revealed the agency provided documentation of a
service and room, board and watchful plan dated September 23, 2008 however, failed to
document activities by the staff towards the goals, goals and preliminary plans for discharge and
restrictions of communication and visitation.
Interview with staff E on December 3, 2008 at 12:30pm acknowledged the findings.
Wow, failure in 100% of cases to comply with the law. But, surely, this is an improvement, right?
This was previously cited December 5, 2007.
Ohhhhhh...I guess not. :heartbreak:
This looks very bad for the "HLA is improving" crowd. It looks like they keep breaking the same laws over and over.
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The ORS has 3,000 pages from 2005 to 2007. The ORS has 320 pages from 2005 thru last Friday. There is a huge decrease there.
So what you want people to believe is that from 2005 to 2007 there were 3000 pages but from 2005 to last Friday there were only 320? Did they retract the other 2,680?
See, Who, this is why you have no credibility. Ha, ha, ha. Nice try at covering up for HLA, but you'll have to do better thab that! This is just a blatant lie and you seem to be getting caught in more than a few of them today.
Why would you expect people to believe someone who claims ORS retracted over 2500 pages of HLA violations? You'll have to show some proof of these numbers.
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Actually, this is looking even worse for the ORS and the state of Georgia, who by their complete negligence in failure to act on their own findings are making themselves legally liable.
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Not true. Tell me, do you have a copy of HLA's case file, 2007-2009? No, you don't. So you are talking out of your ass on all topics, including the "number of pages" of ORS reports.
Not very honest, Who. Your credibility is getting worse and worse. You called "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is a lie. You then went on to calculate a figure based on your lie. You look really weak here.
Anybody can click the link you provided and read that none of the docs are incident reports. Try again.
The sole investigation report shows HLA acting illegally in every single random sample case. Every single sample had from 15% to 100% failure rate for legally required reporting and child safety measures, including offering no staff training, unsafe environment, missing records and on and on and on. They didn't pass a single investigation item, not ONE.
HLA is a shit-hole, based on the records you provided, Who. Thanks!
For the 3rd time I dont have the copy!! Another poster stated that the ORS reports are a reflection of the total (approx.5%). I was just doing the math and posting the results. If you disagree jump on the guest post...
Here it is:
Guest Post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=339084&sid=b20a870a0d54d2876b9264dd9d64b462&sid=b20a870a0d54d2876b9264dd9d64b462#p339084)
Ha,Ha,Ha this how thing like this get started.. after awhile I will be quoted as saying "Thewho says there are 320 pages from HLA from 2007 thru 2009".
Based on information posted on fornits I am saying that HLA has improved over the past few years. That is what the information speaks to. I have no personal knowledge of this.
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Actually, this is looking even worse for the ORS and the state of Georgia, who by their complete negligence in failure to act on their own findings are making themselves legally liable.
I completely agree with this. In my view their negligence is criminal. Imagine how long ago HLA would have been shuttered for illegal practices if ORS actually did their job.
The ORS has 3,000 pages from 2005 to 2007. The ORS has 320 pages from 2005 thru last Friday. There is a huge decrease there.
So what you want people to believe is that from 2005 to 2007 there were 3000 pages but from 2005 to last Friday there were only 320? Did they retract the other 2,680?
Whootie stepped in it again I see. I guess we're now supposed to take TheWho quoting an anonymous guest as "evidence." That just doesn't pass the smell test.
"I didn't read the file, but this anonymous guy said 5%, so it's a fact." You have to do better than this, buddy. Is this where you're at now? Quoting anons as gospel? You admitted you never read the file, so why are you posting as if you know something? You don't. BTW, you always used to brag about how rich you were, so why don't you just pony up the fee and get the file? Afraid of what you might have to admit to if you did? I think so.
This guy doesn't even put up a fight anymore.
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The ORS has 3,000 pages from 2005 to 2007. The ORS has 320 pages from 2005 thru last Friday. There is a huge decrease there.
So what you want people to believe is that from 2005 to 2007 there were 3000 pages but from 2005 to last Friday there were only 320? Did they retract the other 2,680?
See, Who, this is why you have no credibility. Ha, ha, ha. Nice try at covering up for HLA, but you'll have to do better thab that! This is just a blatant lie and you seem to be getting caught in more than a few of them today.
Why would you expect people to believe someone who claims ORS retracted over 2500 pages of HLA violations? You'll have to show some proof of these numbers.
Ahhhh, I see why everyone is so confused...typo... meant to write from 2007 to present (not 2005)
So there has been a significant decrease from 3,000 pages in the 2005 to 2007 time frame down to 320 pages in the 2007 to present time frame...
Hope that clears it up.
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Whootie stepped in it again I see. I guess we're now supposed to take TheWho quoting an anonymous guest as "evidence." That just doesn't pass the smell test.
So what you are saying is if a guest states they were abused in a program we can safely disregard the post?
"I didn't read the file, but this anonymous guy said 5%, so it's a fact." You have to do better than this, buddy. Is this where you're at now? Quoting anons as gospel?
Quoting anons? So only those people who have a login name can be counted as being truthful? So anyone who says they went to a program and were abused can be eliminated because they dont have a login name and therefore are not creible...Hmmm
You admitted you never read the file, so why are you posting as if you know something? You don't. BTW, you always used to brag about how rich you were, so why don't you just pony up the fee and get the file? Afraid of what you might have to admit to if you did? I think so.
This guy doesn't even put up a fight anymore.
I dont think you could find a post of me bragging about being rich. It would be interesting to read it if you found a link. Oh, wait you are a guest!!! Ha,Ha,Ha
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DJ, less arguing with the twit and more OCR'd, redacted (with the staff names UNredacted, if you can) dox.
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Classic Who.
Before: "You can't believe anyone on Fornits!"
Now: "My source is an anonymous Fornits poster."
You'll say anything.
DJ, less arguing with the twit and more OCR'd, redacted (with the staff names UNredacted, if you can) dox.
I hear ya. I'm working on it, but I could also use some help.
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Classic Who.
Before: "You can't believe anyone on Fornits!"
Now: "My source is an anonymous Fornits poster."
You'll say anything.
DJ, less arguing with the twit and more OCR'd, redacted (with the staff names UNredacted, if you can) dox.
I hear ya. I'm working on it, but I could also use some help.
I'll take that as you agree the guest post is credible. (I would if I were you).... so with or without the 5% filter... there has been a significate decrease in problems over the last two years at HLA.
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Again, what are you basing this on Whooter?
You by your own admission have not seen the report, nor have you seen any incident reports despite your claim to the contrary. How then can you claim there's been an improvement if you have no idea was then or is now?
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Again, what are you basing this on Whooter?
You by your own admission have not seen the report, nor have you seen any incident reports despite your claim to the contrary. How then can you claim there's been an improvement if you have no idea was then or is now?
Bruce, Remember no interaction until you show all of us your guest posts. Why do you keep avoiding this? What do you have to hide? It requires no effort on your part and for someone who claims not to guest post this avoidance is damaging and very curious. More and More of us are waiting for the big unveiling of your "5 posts".
Let us know when you this will be done.
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Again, what are you basing this on Whooter?
You by your own admission have not seen the report, nor have you seen any incident reports despite your claim to the contrary. How then can you claim there's been an improvement if you have no idea was then or is now?
Bruce, Remember no interaction until you show all of us your guest posts. Why do you keep avoiding this? What do you have to hide? It requires no effort on your part and for someone who claims not to guest post this avoidance is damaging and very curious. More and More of us are waiting for the big unveiling of your "5 posts".
Let us know when you this will be done.
None of this changes the fact that you have never seen the file. Everything you say is just made up.
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There have been many posts and confusion.. Lets recap.
We are all aware that there have been some 3,000 pages generated by HLA from 2005 to 2007. These were copied and received from the ORS by a couple of posters here on fornits.
Looking at the ORS reports from 2007 – present (which are now available for review on their website) HLA has generated 16 pages from 2007 to present. It was indicated by another fornits poster that the website reflects about 5% of the total volume of pages.
So running the math shows that HLA has generated some 320 pages from 2007 to present vs. 3,000 pages from 2005 to 2007.
This is a substantial decrease in pages and could be an indication that things are improving at HLA. Nothing is being made up. Run the numbers yourself and review the ORS reports on-line.
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Recap: TheWho has never seen any report but claims to be an expert on ORS reports based on an anon comment.
HLA has amassed another giant stack of ORS violations since 2007, but TheWho is lazy/cheap and won't request them, so he makes up some more "data." That's the recap.
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Not true. Tell me, do you have a copy of HLA's case file, 2007-2009? No, you don't. So you are talking out of your ass on all topics, including the "number of pages" of ORS reports.
Not very honest, Who. Your credibility is getting worse and worse. You called "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is a lie. You then went on to calculate a figure based on your lie. You look really weak here.
Anybody can click the link you provided and read that none of the docs are incident reports. Try again.
The sole investigation report shows HLA acting illegally in every single random sample case. Every single sample had from 15% to 100% failure rate for legally required reporting and child safety measures, including offering no staff training, unsafe environment, missing records and on and on and on. They didn't pass a single investigation item, not ONE.
HLA is a shit-hole, based on the records you provided, Who. Thanks!
Not to mention the few items posted on the ORS site show a 100% failure by HLA to comply with the law. I'm not sure how 100% failure = improvement. Someone will need to explain that to me.
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Recap: TheWho has never seen any report but claims to be an expert on ORS reports based on an anon comment.
HLA has amassed another giant stack of ORS violations since 2007, but TheWho is lazy/cheap and won't request them, so he makes up some more "data." That's the recap.
As you read back thru the posts. Thewho never claimed to have read the reports. There are reports from ORS from 2005 to 2007 which amount to 3,000 pages. The ORS has posted the reposts online from 2007 to present and there are only 16 pages.
Thewho never mentioned content but was commenting the since the volume dropped from 3,000 pages dowwn to 16 pages (or 320 based on a 5% adjustment) then one could speculate that the problems have abated or at a minimum are on their way down.
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No, you never used the word "speculate." You said there was "dramatic improvement."
What hasn't been explained is that the reports online are only a summary which is more or less 5% of the total volume of documents used to create THOSE SUMMARIES. So maybe 320 pages is a good guess for those three reports.
However, the incident treports are not posted online, so speculating about them is really just guessing. If you look at the online reports from 2005 to 2007 you will see that those online reports represent only about .01% of the total documents available by request.
So, what The Who is doing is two-fold. He's trying to say that what's posted online represents 5% of the total documents, but that's no where near accurate. He also is claiming "dramatic improvement" based on his totally false numbers.
He also keeps calling "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is also totally false. And he doesn't mention that HLA flunked 100% of the random inspection items.
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No, you never used the word "speculate." You said there was "dramatic improvement."
What hasn't been explained is that the reports online are only a summary which is more or less 5% of the total volume of documents used to create THOSE SUMMARIES. So maybe 320 pages is a good guess for those three reports.
However, the incident treports are not posted online, so speculating about them is really just guessing. If you look at the online reports from 2005 to 2007 you will see that those online reports represent only about .01% of the total documents available by request.
So, what The Who is doing is two-fold. He's trying to say that what's posted online represents 5% of the total documents, but that's no where near accurate. He also is claiming "dramatic improvement" based on his totally false numbers.
He also keeps calling "inspection reports" "incident reports" which is also totally false. And he doesn't mention that HLA flunked 100% of the random inspection items.
I read back and could not find where he called the inspection reports "Incident reports". That came from you. and as it was explained TheWho didnt come up with the 5 % another poster did. A guest mentioned that what is posted online represents only about 5% of the total documents. TheWho just did the math which came out to be 320 pages vs 3,000 pages which is a dramatic improvement from the previous years. This isnt anyones opinion its just volume amounts.
If someone else comes along and want to change it to 0.01% then fine, but there should be a way to support this.
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5% of 320 pages equals 16 pages. So there have been 304 pages of incident reports over the past 2 years compared with 3,000 pages over the previous 2 years.
Either way you cut it there is some evidence that the place is coming around. Maybe they will go under but at least we can see that the incidences have dropped off tremendously and they are starting to put an effort in to reduce them.
here you go. you said "incident reports" and then denied you said it. what a liar. you also say "304 pages" here, "320 pages" elsewhere and "100" as well. which ones are lies and which ones are true? can't all be true.
thewho is lying like a rug and never mentions the fact that hla failed 100% of the inspection items in the inspection, not incident, reports.
why the need to lie and say you didn't say those things? you already look terrible, so a few more lies doesn't increase that notion, so be a man and own up to what you say.
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And he doesn't mention that HLA flunked 100% of the random inspection items.
I guess you are not familiar with reading state inspection results. The licenses study and relicensure study only reported a few findings 6 or so line items I believe it was. I would bet they were compliant in well over 90% of the areas covered (Thats why they are still licensed within the state of Georgia). Reading thru the report even in some of the areas in which they were found to be in noncompliance they showed evidence that the practices were being done and/or completed.
Keep in mind that the ORS is a state agency and they need to justify their existence. If they didnt find discrepancies during their inspections then higher ups would feel that they are not looking hard enough (doing their jobs) or that their services are not needed or adding value. Those reading who are familiar with state inspections will understand this.
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not true. every item inspected failed. not a single item was passed. go back and read for comprehension. show me where they inspected an item and the conditions were met in all cases. every single item inspected failed and the failure rates ranged from 15%-100%.
but this still doesn't cover what you claimed before - that these are incident reports. these were just inspections, but hla failed every single inspection item.
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The report is:
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
All other areas besides those areas in the report were found to be compliant with the State. That is why they are still licensed.
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so where's the correction plan then? it was due 7 months ago. hla is violating the law yet again.
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so where's the correction plan then? it was due 7 months ago. hla is violating the law yet again.
So finally we get to the meat. HLA was dinged for mostly documentation issues during their annual inspection. They were also written up for having a bottle of shampoo in the shower which says "keep away from children" and another incident where they spotted a box of "Tide" in the laundry area which was not secured...
The State of Georgia found the issues to not be bad enough to warrant a probationary period or a loss of license. So HLA is in full operation and compliance with the ORS and the State of Georgia (with the exception of the open issues)... the next step would be for the ORS to post the corrective action taken by HLA.
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You are way off with regard to HLA and the State agencies. Buccellato's 'kingdom' extends far beyond Hidden Lake Road... The ORS investigator/surveyor D.G., in her own writing in the ORS documents quoted LCSO(Lumpkin County Sheriiff, stating how 'political' this was and how well connected Buccellato was in Atlanta. Clearly what LCSO recalled to the ORS surveyor exhibited alarming i9nconsistencies regarding incidents that took place(per HLA staff, parents and children) Nice. SACS certification is a joke....Buccellato is allowed to choose who visits the school from SACS, he did, all four of them, including one from St. Francis...old friends. SACS did nothing either. SACS requirements state their must be a science lab and that cross utilization of teachers is prohibited without SACS approval upon notification. There was no science lab, no mobile lab as Joe Farrell of "Quirk and Quirk Lawfirm" stated HLA pruchased(letters ORS doc), and cross utilization of teachers was rampant without notification.
The Psychology Board was notified regarding Buccellato's breach of ethics(also in ORS documents, they did not report him) and did nothing. The Georgia State GAO (Tobin McDaniel) according to the Federal GAO agents, dropped the ball...or was 'told' to ,who knows at this point. The 2002 IRS investigation, the agent was pulled off the case, but was close... The State Attorney Generals office was notified, but they said they could do nothing because they protect agencies in the State of Georgia like the ORS. I was told by the AG's office, off the record to go to the media. The Federal GAO investigators found a vile den, but have no prosecutorial powers, again they said they could only make recommendations. The Governor sent the letters he received to the ORS... and this writer is sure more than a few, wanted this situation to go away. In an ORS email amongst themselves, to paraphrase, the ORS was concerned that this investigation had to be on the mark in all areas, no mistakes, thorough, alluding to Buccellato's connections. The agencies are not and have not been accountable, except to cover for themselves and each other. I have stated time and again, what transpired among all these agencies, including Quirk and Quirk(Joe Farrell) is criminal. If "Quirk and Quirk" was aware of the untruths they were spewing on behalf of their client Buccellato to the agencies and families, their license to practice law should be revoked. Their direct line to now reitred Lumpkin County Judge was totally unethical re: cease and desist letters literally signed overnight. The only one left is Federal Attorney General Nahmias - but as I stated before, his spouse was or still is with King and Spalding - a possible conflict of interest.
So, the agencies are useless because to step up to the plate they would have to admit legal liability if not criminal liability. The ORS has something in common with Joe Farrell, their track record covering up for HLA in their answers to complaint letters since HLA's INCEPTION, is a disgrace, those are in the documents,too.
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Also for the record, 2,919 pages, reflect not only the 2006 Investigation of HLA, the ORS hit Ridge Creek first. The 2919 pages include Ridge Creek. The documents DO NOt only apply to 2006-Spring 2008(docs only go to Spring 2008 as that is when they were released to attorney). The documents date back to 1996. Now the ORS, managing ORS attorney Nina Edidin, stated to the attorney representing me that she 'thought' the ORS only retained documents for 2 years. The attorney representing me wrote backthe ORS stating how fortunate for us that what we were requesting documents under the two year cut off and if the ORS did not comply, we would take this further.. As most of you know by now, we would have gone that route, which probably would have been a good thing, although not financially, because, what the ORS was doing/not doing would have been exposed. Miraculously, documents appeared dating back to 1996. Again, I began requesting the report per Georgia FOIA - Georigia's Sunshine laws in late Fall, early Winters of 2006 and repeatedly was told that the report was not ready, would posiibly be ready in April 2007 and posted on their web-site, I was then sent four or so copies of letters I already sent them, then Mr. Bostick(ORS) sent me an email stating they already complied(the four or so letters) and he did not understand what I was asking for nor did Edidin or her assistant(and yes I have all the emails and letters) I placed calls and emails to Nina Edidin(spoke to her and her assistant and still nothing for 1 1/2 years). Now, in walks an attorney, and surprise, 2919 pages appear per Georgia Sunshine Laws.
Again to re-iterate, the documents span 1996-2008...
For the record, what is posted on their web-site is miniscule, only what the ORS wants out there.
For the record and in the record, Ridge Creek was FORCED licensure by the ORS after repeated complaints filed. HLA was FORCED licensure after repeated complaints. Buccellato would have been happy to continue un-licensed, operating under the radar, with "Quirk and Quirk" continuing to constantly send letters and emails to the ORS, the attorneys for families over the years, denying HLA operating as a "Therapeutic Boarding School"(the infamous letters stating time and again "the term Therapeutic is for marketing purposes only" and yes I have them, too - along with letters over the years from attorneys and families to the ORS stating that HLA was not operating as an Academic Boarding School, with Special Purpose or not. "Quirk and Quirk' would fire off a letter to Carol Winstead of the ORS and the ORS would immediatley back off. But when a parent called inquiring about HLA or with a complaint to Carol Winstead of the ORS,
she acted like it was business as usual, never heard or cited any complaints about HLA ,gave the same 'perfunctory' reply regarding HLA and acted like it was news to her. Yet I have letters dating back to 1998 then 2001, that reflect quite the opposite. She should have been fired or forced to resign, along with the rest of the top brass at the ORS. I think Jimmy Carter should recieve the disk , it would make him proud to see what he envisioned vs. what actually was created.
Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)
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The ORS was issuing HLA probationary and temporary licenses in 6 months increments -
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Yes , unfortunately, it usually takes the leverage of a lawyer to get anything done. It makes a little more sense that the documents cover a much wider time period. As far as being forced into being licensed I wouldn’t be too hard on them for that. No one (even the best) wants to be placed under a watchful eye or be forced to conform to anothers standards. Most of us consider ourselves to be good drivers and wouldn’t volunteer to get a drivers license unless there were some type of incentive or we were forced to.
I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.
Oh and thanks for taking the time to gather, consolidate and post the information Jill. Many of us appreciate it.
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Many of us does not include you. You've made it quite clear that you aren't interested in the truth about these places, All you're interested in is that there's no damage to your referal network or the kick backs you recieve from locking kids up in these places. The fact that kids are abused is and always has been inconsequential to you.
As to my five guest posts, you're only hung up on them in an effort to further avoid accountablility. You've been embarrassed to discover that you were wrong about all the guest posts you've attributed to me, and now you'll do anything to avoid owning up to all the games you've played from the shadows. You are and forever remain a coward.
While you're refusing to accept that consider again that HLA did more then simply avoid licensure, they outright lied to the state for eleven years regarding their purpose. When licensure was finally forced on them (by us) , Buchi still fought tooth and nail.
Consider also the fact that while you are currently singing their praises without (once again) having a clue as to what you are talking about, the school is currently operating under an expired temporary license. They were issued a temporary license that was conditional upon passing the six month review. By your own admission they failed it, miserably. They were given a month to remedy the situation and meet the conditions of the POA, which was never done. ORS dropped the ball and never went back.
Explain to us again how you know HLA to be improving when ORS hasn't been back? While you're stuck on your analogies answer me this; would you ride in an elevator whose safety inspection license was long overdue?
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Many of us does not include you. You've made it quite clear that you aren't interested in the truth about these places, All you're interested in is that there's no damage to your referal network or the kick backs you recieve from locking kids up in these places. The fact that kids are abused is and always has been inconsequential to you.
As to my five guest posts, you're only hung up on them in an effort to further avoid accountablility. You've been embarrassed to discover that you were wrong about all the guest posts you've attributed to me, and now you'll do anything to avoid owning up to all the games you've played from the shadows. You are and forever remain a coward.
While you're refusing to accept that consider again that HLA did more then simply avoid licensure, they outright lied to the state for eleven years regarding their purpose. When licensure was finally forced on them (by us) , Buchi still fought tooth and nail.
Consider also the fact that while you are currently singing their praises without (once again) having a clue as to what you are talking about, the school is currently operating under an expired temporary license. They were issued a temporary license that was conditional upon passing the six month review. By your own admission they failed it, miserably. They were given a month to remedy the situation and meet the conditions of the POA, which was never done. ORS dropped the ball and never went back.
Explain to us again how you know HLA to be improving when ORS hasn't been back? While you're stuck on your analogies answer me this; would you ride in an elevator whose safety inspection license was long overdue?
Bruce, I would just give it up. Thewho isnt going to respond to you until you get your posts strung together. As another poster mentioned if you really do only have 5 guest posts why not just get them strung together? It isnt any work for you, why not just do it? It does seem like you are hiding something by not getting it done.
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You think so John? Tell me something. Are you afraid you'll actually have to own up to having your post strung together once my five are added to the pot? Or are you just employing your usual MO and scared of answering a couple of questions.
Anything to avoid accountablily eh John? I'm still not letting you off the hook though. Why not try answering the questions put in front of you? Why not accept the fact that youve again been exposed as the liar you are? Why not try to accept some respondsibility for once in your wasted little life? See how it feels John. It might help you out considerably. You've already had a wife and a son commit suicide in an effort to get away from you. How many more people have to die before you see the light?
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Many of us does not include you. You've made it quite clear that you aren't interested in the truth about these places, All you're interested in is that there's no damage to your referal network or the kick backs you recieve from locking kids up in these places. The fact that kids are abused is and always has been inconsequential to you.
As to my five guest posts, you're only hung up on them in an effort to further avoid accountablility. You've been embarrassed to discover that you were wrong about all the guest posts you've attributed to me, and now you'll do anything to avoid owning up to all the games you've played from the shadows. You are and forever remain a coward.
While you're refusing to accept that consider again that HLA did more then simply avoid licensure, they outright lied to the state for eleven years regarding their purpose. When licensure was finally forced on them (by us) , Buchi still fought tooth and nail.
Consider also the fact that while you are currently singing their praises without (once again) having a clue as to what you are talking about, the school is currently operating under an expired temporary license. They were issued a temporary license that was conditional upon passing the six month review. By your own admission they failed it, miserably. They were given a month to remedy the situation and meet the conditions of the POA, which was never done. ORS dropped the ball and never went back.
Explain to us again how you know HLA to be improving when ORS hasn't been back? While you're stuck on your analogies answer me this; would you ride in an elevator whose safety inspection license was long overdue?
Bruce, I would just give it up. Thewho isnt going to respond to you until you get your posts strung together. As another poster mentioned if you really do only have 5 guest posts why not just get them strung together? It isnt any work for you, why not just do it? It does seem like you are hiding something by not getting it done.
Can we get Antigen to say, here, publicly, that Bruce does not have any guest posts?
Then, (not that it is not indisputable already) it will be indisputable that the only reason theIt does not want its posts tied to it, is that it is ashamed of them? And It does not want its duplicity corroberated?
thanks!
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Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)
It was not '1000 'children transported for mental health - a (1013) is a code for "cop down" or "policeman down"... I put a (1013 with a question mark) for mental health transport against ones will, CHILD DOWN. Chris Allen was the only one left at the time to authorize the children's transport to a mental health facility. I assumed it would be understood.
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Sorry I forgot to place this in quotes above..my above post is in answer to I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.
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This is what I wrote towards the end of my post:
Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)
This was part of a reply:
I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.
II. DEFINITIONS:
Licensed Mental Health Professional: A mental health professional who holds a license that
authorizes him/her to complete an Emergency Admission Certificate (Form 1013). Current
Georgia statutes authorize physicians, psychologists, clinical social workers, and clinical nurse
specialists in psychiatric/mental health to certify emergency admissions.
For you to understand what a "1013" is in reference to a patient, in these cases, children that were "1013'nd" at HLA. Not 1,000 children transported for mental health. If you are referring children to these places you should know this.
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He knows this. He's just trying to make you look like you're lying. Thanks for taking you time to respond and shed some light on the situation. Obviously, TheWho is just trying to make smoke screens for HLA.
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You are way off with regard to HLA and the State agencies. Buccellato's 'kingdom' extends far beyond Hidden Lake Road... The ORS investigator/surveyor D.G., in her own writing in the ORS documents quoted LCSO(Lumpkin County Sheriiff, stating how 'political' this was and how well connected Buccellato was in Atlanta. Clearly what LCSO recalled to the ORS surveyor exhibited alarming i9nconsistencies regarding incidents that took place(per HLA staff, parents and children) Nice. SACS certification is a joke....Buccellato is allowed to choose who visits the school from SACS, he did, all four of them, including one from St. Francis...old friends. SACS did nothing either. SACS requirements state their must be a science lab and that cross utilization of teachers is prohibited without SACS approval upon notification. There was no science lab, no mobile lab as Joe Farrell of "Quirk and Quirk Lawfirm" stated HLA pruchased(letters ORS doc), and cross utilization of teachers was rampant without notification.
The Psychology Board was notified regarding Buccellato's breach of ethics(also in ORS documents, they did not report him) and did nothing. The Georgia State GAO (Tobin McDaniel) according to the Federal GAO agents, dropped the ball...or was 'told' to ,who knows at this point. The 2002 IRS investigation, the agent was pulled off the case, but was close... The State Attorney Generals office was notified, but they said they could do nothing because they protect agencies in the State of Georgia like the ORS. I was told by the AG's office, off the record to go to the media. The Federal GAO investigators found a vile den, but have no prosecutorial powers, again they said they could only make recommendations. The Governor sent the letters he received to the ORS... and this writer is sure more than a few, wanted this situation to go away. In an ORS email amongst themselves, to paraphrase, the ORS was concerned that this investigation had to be on the mark in all areas, no mistakes, thorough, alluding to Buccellato's connections. The agencies are not and have not been accountable, except to cover for themselves and each other. I have stated time and again, what transpired among all these agencies, including Quirk and Quirk(Joe Farrell) is criminal. If "Quirk and Quirk" was aware of the untruths they were spewing on behalf of their client Buccellato to the agencies and families, their license to practice law should be revoked. Their direct line to now reitred Lumpkin County Judge was totally unethical re: cease and desist letters literally signed overnight. The only one left is Federal Attorney General Nahmias - but as I stated before, his spouse was or still is with King and Spalding - a possible conflict of interest.
So, the agencies are useless because to step up to the plate they would have to admit legal liability if not criminal liability. The ORS has something in common with Joe Farrell, their track record covering up for HLA in their answers to complaint letters since HLA's INCEPTION, is a disgrace, those are in the documents,too.
^^The Truth^^ for a change. What Jill enumerates about HLA and GA state agencies show that TheWho has no idea what he's talking about, as usual.
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He knows this. He's just trying to make you look like you're lying. Thanks for taking you time to respond and shed some light on the situation. Obviously, TheWho is just trying to make smoke screens for HLA.
Yeah just like the way thewho exposed the smoke screen that people here were trying to sell the idea that "HLA failed all of the inspection points". Nice try Guest..... You failed to mention HLA passed their State license inspection with flying colors and only had 6 issues... mostly paperwork glitches. Whoops, You forgot that it goes both ways sometimes doesnt it..Ha,Ha,Ha.
See, perfect example. Why would you create a lie to make a place look bad? Why not fight them with truths?
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Passed with flying colors? Then why weren't they taken off their conditional license?
Why were they given 30 days to correct all their violations (you use the word discrepancy but anyone who can read knows what they really are)?
Why didn't they meet those obligations?
Why are they currently operating under an expired license?
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This is what I wrote towards the end of my post:
Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)
This was part of a reply:
I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.
II. DEFINITIONS:
Licensed Mental Health Professional: A mental health professional who holds a license that
authorizes him/her to complete an Emergency Admission Certificate (Form 1013). Current
Georgia statutes authorize physicians, psychologists, clinical social workers, and clinical nurse
specialists in psychiatric/mental health to certify emergency admissions.
For you to understand what a "1013" is in reference to a patient, in these cases, children that were "1013'nd" at HLA. Not 1,000 children transported for mental health. If you are referring children to these places you should know this.
Jill, none of you quotes show up on screen. Is this just my computer or are other people seeing her quoted material?
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Less thread derailment, more massive excerpts.
People, it's going to spew bullshit no matter what. Talking to it is a complete waste of time. There is no purpose whatsoever that can be served by acknowledging its existence. Focus on ripping Len Buccellato's shit. Phone calls to ORS, for example, might be happy and fun.
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Less thread derailment, more massive excerpts.
People, it's going to spew bullshit no matter what. Talking to it is a complete waste of time. There is no purpose whatsoever that can be served by acknowledging its existence. Focus on ripping Len Buccellato's shit. Phone calls to ORS, for example, might be happy and fun.
The experts don't show up on my screen! All of Jill's 'quotes' come up as empty boxes.
Anyone else having this problem?
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Less thread derailment, more massive excerpts.
People, it's going to spew bullshit no matter what. Talking to it is a complete waste of time. There is no purpose whatsoever that can be served by acknowledging its existence. Focus on ripping Len Buccellato's shit. Phone calls to ORS, for example, might be happy and fun.
Since Bruce has been reduced to mostly guest posting now he is posting more and antagonizing the other posters.
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This is what I wrote towards the end of my post:
Also, for the record, I need to correct this, the ORS document stated there were 5 attempted suicides not 8, that the ORS was aware of, 8 runaways(there were more), numerous transports for mental health (1013?)
This was part of a reply:
I am curious about the 1,000 trips for mental health. Does this seem like a lot to you (or to the readers here)? I would like to hear other peoples opinion on this.
II. DEFINITIONS:
Licensed Mental Health Professional: A mental health professional who holds a license that
authorizes him/her to complete an Emergency Admission Certificate (Form 1013). Current
Georgia statutes authorize physicians, psychologists, clinical social workers, and clinical nurse
specialists in psychiatric/mental health to certify emergency admissions.
For you to understand what a "1013" is in reference to a patient, in these cases, children that were "1013'nd" at HLA. Not 1,000 children transported for mental health. If you are referring children to these places you should know this.
Jill, none of you quotes show up on screen. Is this just my computer or are other people seeing her quoted material?
Jillie, the quoted text goes between the the quote brackets. First "" then your quoted material, then "
". Thanks!
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Thanks.
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Recap: TheWho has never seen any report but claims to be an expert on ORS reports based on an anon comment.
HLA has amassed another giant stack of ORS violations since 2007, but TheWho is lazy/cheap and won't request them, so he makes up some more "data." That's the recap.
Thanks for the recap!
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Hey DJ, post some damn details already. Use another thread, this one's polluted.
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Some things the ORS missed on HLA's inspections (from another thread):
some things you might not know:
At HLA, Max was constantly insisting to me and a number of other people that his mom's death was caused deliberately by his father. not murder per se, but as an indirect result of his dad's actions. i'm not revealing the details.
Max also smoked quite a bit of weed with me at HLA. i smuggled it in a variety of ways - in special deoderant, my shoes, through staff, and freinds that would dead-drop the stuff on the property in the middle of the night for me to pick up the next day while on restrictions or doing activities. we'd smoke it under the desks using the ol' fabric softener in a toilet paper tube method, in the bathroom at lower left or we'd just sneak away either at lower left or by the lake into the woods. it was really easy, after 05' there was a total lack of staff supervision and it just got better for us when the lawsuit hit. other kids snuck in all sorts of stuff, but i must admire max for staying away from it: coke smuggled in vaginas and anuses, meth and LSD sprayed onto pages of books, ecstacy smuggled inside stuffed animals and shoes, some kid even brought tar heroin once, flattened down to look like the rubber underlining of his shoe sole. that kid ate most of it but was able to steal a syringe from a diabetic and a lighter from me near the end of his stash. staff are just oblivious.
on another point, there are plenty of kids who stayed there much longer than two years. everytime a peergroup is graduating the counselors try to convince all the parents to keep the kid postgrad untill they graduate high school. every kid's parents are talked to, in the hopes of retaining at least one or two from every peer group. why? because keeping postgrads around costs less as they require less supervision and less therapy; they are "positives" to the rest of the gen pop, yet the school collects just as money for keeping them. counselors as a result get bonuses for every kid they retain postgrad. i know kids that were stuck for a 27 month program and then stayed postgrad anyway. (27 months - it was originally 21 months but then HLA cancelled december graduation and forced those kids to graduate six months later). i know a kid that has spent nearly forty months at HLA. steven gioa.
I'm not sure if they still do postgrad, but it's very likely max reuben spent all that time at HLA. he got there, from what i remember, in 8th grade. facing the prospect of an HLA grad entering 11th grade in a regular school (THE sex and drugs year according to HLA) he could have been there that long easily.
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I'm setting to work on these docs presently and have lined up some help to parse them for content. I now really need someone willing to host n' post the docs. Anyone want to volunteer to host the docs and link to them at Fornits? Thanks!
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some things you might not know:
At HLA, Max was constantly insisting to me and a number of other people that his mom's death was caused deliberately by his father. not murder per se, but as an indirect result of his dad's actions. i'm not revealing the details.
Max also smoked quite a bit of weed with me at HLA. i smuggled it in a variety of ways - in special deoderant, my shoes, through staff, and freinds that would dead-drop the stuff on the property in the middle of the night for me to pick up the next day while on restrictions or doing activities. we'd smoke it under the desks using the ol' fabric softener in a toilet paper tube method, in the bathroom at lower left or we'd just sneak away either at lower left or by the lake into the woods. it was really easy, after 05' there was a total lack of staff supervision and it just got better for us when the lawsuit hit. other kids snuck in all sorts of stuff, but i must admire max for staying away from it: coke smuggled in vaginas and anuses, meth and LSD sprayed onto pages of books, ecstacy smuggled inside stuffed animals and shoes, some kid even brought tar heroin once, flattened down to look like the rubber underlining of his shoe sole. that kid ate most of it but was able to steal a syringe from a diabetic and a lighter from me near the end of his stash. staff are just oblivious.
on another point, there are plenty of kids who stayed there much longer than two years. everytime a peergroup is graduating the counselors try to convince all the parents to keep the kid postgrad untill they graduate high school. every kid's parents are talked to, in the hopes of retaining at least one or two from every peer group. why? because keeping postgrads around costs less as they require less supervision and less therapy; they are "positives" to the rest of the gen pop, yet the school collects just as money for keeping them. counselors as a result get bonuses for every kid they retain postgrad. i know kids that were stuck for a 27 month program and then stayed postgrad anyway. (27 months - it was originally 21 months but then HLA cancelled december graduation and forced those kids to graduate six months later). i know a kid that has spent nearly forty months at HLA. steven gioa.
I'm not sure if they still do postgrad, but it's very likely max reuben spent all that time at HLA. he got there, from what i remember, in 8th grade. facing the prospect of an HLA grad entering 11th grade in a regular school (THE sex and drugs year according to HLA) he could have been there that long easily.
A friend of Max wrote:
when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
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That doesn't rule out anything. Max may well believe his father did his mother in. And, he may have. What we know for sure is that Max didn't "get closure with his mom" because he wasn't allowed to go to her funeral or to visit her while she was dying.
HLA and his father stole his youth, something he'll never get back. Like his mom.
Did his mom ever come to HLA? Was she in favor of his placement, or was John the sole driver of the process? What was his mom's cause of death?
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That doesn't rule out anything. Max may well believe his father did his mother in. And, he may have. What we know for sure is that Max didn't "get closure with his mom" because he wasn't allowed to go to her funeral or to visit her while she was dying.
HLA and his father stole his youth, something he'll never get back. Like his mom.
Did his mom ever come to HLA? Was she in favor of his placement, or was John the sole driver of the process? What was his mom's cause of death?
No it doesnt rule anything out, but it does come from someone who knew Max very well. We dont know if Max went to his mothers funeral or not. The mother may have been the main driver behind his placement. If he didnt go it might had been Maxs choice not to go seeing she placed him there. There are many unknowns.
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I'm setting to work on these docs presently and have lined up some help to parse them for content. I now really need someone willing to host n' post the docs. Anyone want to volunteer to host the docs and link to them at Fornits? Thanks!
www.rapidshare.com (http://www.rapidshare.com)
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I'm setting to work on these docs presently and have lined up some help to parse them for content. I now really need someone willing to host n' post the docs. Anyone want to volunteer to host the docs and link to them at Fornits? Thanks!
DJ call me...I am not sure you are getting my emails...
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Jill do you still have my email?
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Jill do you still have my email?
Hi Lacey.. No I do not, you can still PM me at Juniper2
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Lacey, having trouble with PM..I can read it, but cannot seem to send a reply. Will email you.
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Jill email me when you get a second.
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when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
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No, he was forced NOT to go. He was held at HLA for the funeral. He never got to say goodbye. He also believes his father was complicit in his mom's death.
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when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
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I had a child that graduated this year and I just heard today that HLA is closing on August 28th. Does anyone know about this??
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I have not heard that. Where did you hear it from? Have an email or a some reference material that says that?
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i HEARD IT FROM ANOTHER PARENT WHOSE CHILD ATTENDED HLA THE SAME TIME AS MY CHILD. I LOOKED IN THE DAHLONEGA NUGGET AND COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING
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It won't be in the Nugget. They don't do "reporting."
Do you have contact with any parents whose kids are still at HLA? If so, have they been notified to pick up their kids?
I'm going to start another thread and see if we can't some responses from folks still there or who have kids still there. Ususally something like this wouldn't be announced until after the fact, as if those kids know it's closing, they'll be off the walls and uncontrollable. Once they know HLA is closing and has no power over them, they'll overwhelm the few remaining staff.
Let's go fishing and see what we find...
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Ususally something like this wouldn't be announced until after the fact, as if those kids know it's closing, they'll be off the walls and uncontrollable. Once they know HLA is closing and has no power over them, they'll overwhelm the few remaining staff.
http://www.megaphoneusa.com/ (http://www.megaphoneusa.com/)
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The school has nothing to gain by announcing their closing before the fact. If anything it may hurt them in collecting the last few checks that may be outstanding, form parents, if the word gets out too early and creditors will knocking on their door before they get a chance to lock up and get out of town. It will probably happen very quietly and quickly when it comes and everyone will move on to newer and more exciting challenges.
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Like what, Who? Posing as a teen on the internet? ;) Busted.
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The ORS has removed the inspection reports on HLA from their web-site. They left the old x-ray machine registration. Ridge Creek is still up, but obviously not up-dated.
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http://www.ridgecreek.org/rc-staff This needs to be up-dated...since Hollowhead is now with Aspen and Grimwood is gone. Odds are D.R. will be next... chop, chop. Look for Buccellato to start pumpiong up Ridge Creek/Mount Brook academically and every other way to ed cons...then, possibly one scenario, good-bye HLA come October, shift to Ridge Creek/ Mountain Brook with a dual license thanks to the ORS. Creekside shows no license with the ORS....
Saw it coming...
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He'll have to release something to the edcons before anyone else. Unless of course he plans on conning unsuspecting parents into prepaying for a program that's about to go belly up in two weeks.
"Thanks, for the deposit, you can find your kid at the end of Wahsega road."
Isn't the new bankruptcy dead line tomorrow?
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He already did..see the other thread
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when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.
Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral? Was he forced to go?
3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.
Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.
Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information. We're all ears.