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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 23, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
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I was there in Lauderdale. 15 y/o in 1972 for 9 long months. I came to this forum after all these years looking for answers, empathy, a little understanding. After reading through hundreds of older posts I see I missed out on that happening. I wish I had known about this place before Greg left and left it in the hands of Ginger.
Maybe a private place where people have to be approved would work. Like a Yahoo group or something? (Can't you just see one the trolls jumping in and making a ludicrous remark about Yahoo?)
Only people who are genuine and want to share their stories civilly could be a part of this private group.
Possible? Anyone else miss the way this place used to be?
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No! tis here's our place ginger started it, she's lost enough , paid for it enough, and we have too. don't just pack up tent. see my comments regarding agent-provacateur. enough! Fight people, but don't fight stupidly!
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Yeah, but isn't it obvious she doesn't care? I'm new here, so can only go by reading old posts. Just 4 years ago she wrote that comment about John U and Art and the staff's intentions were good. Those were her words! I'll paste it here again:
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by Antigen » 07 Aug 2005, 03:22
John, thanks, I deeply appreciate that. I also want to pile on in thanking and welcoming John U. and to reiterate that I know Art and all the staff's intentions were good. So were those of all the parents, including my own. If anybody's looking for a cackling bad guy somewhere at the root of this, wringing his hands and gloating, you'll never find him, he doesn't exist. It's all about good intentions gone awry.
I dunno. Maybe I'll stick around for a while more. I'm definitely not gonna feed the trolls anymore. How about you? :-)
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If you can not take the heat then ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: get out of the blimp hanger,ahahahahhaha :roflmao:
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"maybe a private place like yahoo."
apparently, you forgot, or never knew that yahoo, turned a chinese man into the chinese govt. for his free speech that was critical of his own govt. just so long as yahoo got to contract with the chinese govt.
he's in prison for life. for internet speech!!!
yeah, use yahoo. and eat mcdonald's because they will sue you if you say, their food is not healthy.
then drink your starbucks, who went around the globe putting nearly every mom and pop coffee shop out of business. planting a starbucks across the street and stealing goodwill.
they shop at walmart for all your wonderfully low, low prices. ^-^
and make sure you take your 400 usd - canadian 12 dollar, u.s. meds from govt. sponsored companies like bayer and phizer.
and eat your monsanto gmo roundup rice, corn and soybean.
don't worry about your kids and drugs. because the world is nearly done anyway.
big brother! kids -- its long past 1984.
the experiment is OVER.
and you are not it.
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Well I belong to a site that is private and you must be invited. Everyone likes it that way and if there are people causing problems over and over then they are banned from the site. I think it's a good thing. We don't have any problems with bad language or people treated others badly. Guest2 I think it's a great idea if someone were to do it.
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beat it then, no one asks anyone to read posts they do not like move on, you all are one sided, get over it, its old, stay in your world and leave the real one which is what all are ranting at is someone that went through a place, think all you are so one sided you should stay in your private world stay out and do not return ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: :jamin:
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Only people who are genuine and want to share their stories civilly could be a part of this private group.
How would you determine whether they are "genuine" or not? Who gets to be in charge of that determination? Someone who thinks pretty much like you do?
Who gets to make the rules about what constitutes civility? Someone who thinks pretty much like you do?
You can see where this is going, can't you? A private little group with people who think pretty much like you do!
Good luck with attracting some good discussion and learning anything new there, seriously.
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wow! ursus.
that was food for thought.
in other words -- if you use language that we choose, rules and conduct we choose, and behavior patterns that are accepted by us --- sounds like the seed to me.
except the invited part.
nobody was invited into the seed.
they were kidnapped and railroaded under false pretenses.
parents lied to their kids - under instructions from underwood and the other assholes from that cult.
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Well I belong to a site that is private and you must be invited. Everyone likes it that way and if there are people causing problems over and over then they are banned from the site. I think it's a good thing. We don't have any problems with bad language or people treated others badly.
Guest2 I think it's a great idea if someone were to do it.
Guest (2) posts and agrees with self...Hmmm, that reminds me of someone...I can't think of it....Who could it be?
Ah, well maybe it's just a typo.
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Oh, and Stack why be such a jerk to Greg? Regardless of your differences in opinion, I can’t understand why anyone would cast negative comments about his daughter’s illness?
…you don't like it.
may your fucking loving daughter die the death you so fucking fear.
i don't give a fuck all!
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greg who i never heard of, before libby the liar and her hardy har har husband posted a legal threat to greg, suddenly appeared and attacked my sister - who has never made any statements like i have.
i have stated again and again. i PURPOSELY go over the top to force rage - and bring the worms out of the wood work.
libby and barker and those other jerks are now the frightened little kids.
and that is what i am after.
i want them afraid every time they go to Publix for DOG FOOD.
in the st. pete article barker said he lived behind brick walls in fear for his life.
that means he is definitely in fear for his life.
and i want that.
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i don't know greg, but because he's a coward, he acted like he had no culpability for MY posts.
he's a coward because he cares for his one child, but not for the other kids stuck in those boot camp programs, and other false programs "saving kids." and worry about his own families preservation, and to hell with others.
and you know what?
he is a coward afraid of some false litigation that would never arise.
because the counter claims would bury the original claim, and have it quashed, on a motion, but NOT the counter claims.
please, open the box libby the liar and her hardy har har husband.
you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes here.
before your days are numbered, your actions, barkers, underwoods, and the rest will stand and defend.
be sure of that.
your false flag operations and - your character assassinations will net you very little.
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libby the liar and her hardy har har husband posted a legal threat
this is interesting. can you post a link to that? how do you know it was them?
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In addition to being a “connected” renaissance man who writes rambling diatribes and children’s books, Stack is an attorney who makes legal threats and misuses the word culpability all in the same post.
Way to go :ftard: !
:rocker:
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what is ironic is that no one who has read even a small sample of this forum pre stack would mistake Greg for a seed apologist,
It is also noteworthy that Greg is the ONLY person who has publicly confronted art barker
Stack Jones hijacked someone elses identity and claims to be too far away to cover his (her?) own lack of initiative.
hiding behind a pile of profanity
Stack Jones probably is a seed apologist - why else would one want to ruin the credibility of this forum?
Stripe,
I sense you were/are serious about the legal issues posted, sorry you wasted your time with this loser.
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libby the liar and her hardy har har husband posted a legal threat
this is interesting. can you post a link to that? how do you know it was them?
He can not because it never happened. I have never, not once, ever been threatened with legal action for anything I ever did as moderator of this forum. Period.
Something is seriously wrong with this person. He thinks people fear him when they do not. He thinks people are shocked and scared by his postings rather than the real reaction, wonder and amazement at his lack of maturity and juvenile writing skills. He thinks he has power he does not. He acts like his legal threats have moxey when the chances of ever collecting against anyone involved in the seed are beyond Miniscule due to many reasons including but not limited to statue of limitations. He operates under the mistaken impression that people are impressed with him rather than revolted. He acts like the people who ran the Seed fear him, when most of them detached from the Seed years ago and are busy raising their grandchildren by now, and Art Barker is an old man with health problems that likely couldn't log on the internet under any circumstance, let alone read the pages if he could.
What an ignorant putz.
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Greg should have taken a break, this is not about anyone except the ones who want to post and listen if you two goon heads wanna hit bricks then throw them at the Abusers rather then yourselves, both you shut up and let someone else say something rather then the melted snowballs i am about to put up both your asses. Greg should you not be more focused on your child, and Stack write about that asshole John Under pants, give you both something to do, I will say it again I like listening to Stacks stories. you both sound like that place fudged you both up.
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Actually, I was not talking to myself at all. There are 2 Guest2's if you want to know. I agree with Greg that none of us are afraid of you (Stack) and your threats any time one of us says something positive about the Seed like myself. I dearly loved the Seed and there were many people over the years that came in on their own. Not everyone was forced to go on the program. I was forced to when I was a teen but I thank God that I was. It did me a world of good and no I was never a staff member and I'm not Lybbie either. I doubt seriously that Lybbie would ever come to this site. There should be freedom of speech and not what you and your sisters are doing and that's attacking anyone that they don't like and saying they will be sued. Oh and one more thing I WAS NOT BRAINWASHED either!!! I have my own mind and I do what my heart tells me and not what someone else tells me. I've had times where I've gone against the grain and that's because I do what I feel is the right thing to do and not what others want me to do.
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Guest2 need shut up and drop this shit let the new comers join and tell their stories, no one cares Libby what you liked about that shit hole.( you like a place that harmed more then your liking that's for sure)
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Susan - you just made my point and that's that I am not Lybbie and that just because I said something positive about the Seed you have attacked me. Well there is freedom and speech and I don't care what you say I have friends now that the Seed helped and no matter what you say I know what it did for me, my family and my friends. I understand there are others that it didn't help but you can't condemn everyone just because of some people's experiences. Not everyone had the same experience. I don't attack others if they say they had bad experiences but I don't appreciate the tone being put out there.
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That just shows you can not shut up and move on and that is my point. :twofinger:
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Attack that is all any of you have been doing in here you all are nuts. Go attack FART BARKER he is the abuser and has been proven to be only an abuser, and who ever you want to be Libby, if that was an attack, then really you are mad.And guest keeps saying she is not libby, well if you are not then you have nothing to worry about.However if this is libby who I do think is, SEE YOU IN COURT SOON, and watch yourself, its a bad bad world out there, your experience you few morons thought you were creating sounds like it is back firing on all you idjits. Keep posting it shows your guilt is all. If you think Stack is so bad, try me out. I will take you to a place you will not be able to go home to.
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I'm beginning to believe she really did drop out of school in the seventh grade.
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Oh, damn, I forgot. ^
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How can there be more than one Guest2 ?
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druggies usually do forget :twofinger: and old people as yourself, lol :roflmao: , I find this very rewarding this sight, I was so busy having such a free life, that I so forgot about all the criminals of the Blimp hanger, it pleases me that I bother the fools that harmed so many souls, :feedtrolls: to think that a 13 year old won, my SOUL belongs to me, I have only myself and God to thank for that.While all the criminals are old and withering away, I remain young at heart and soul. :twofinger: Screw anything else, oh and stick with the stones and you may become a rock one day, I so ROCK, :blabla: :whip: NEXT...........SIGH........
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Susan - you just made my point and that's that I am not Lybbie and that just because I said something positive about the Seed you have attacked me. Well there is freedom and speech and I don't care what you say I have friends now that the Seed helped and no matter what you say I know what it did for me, my family and my friends. I understand there are others that it didn't help but you can't condemn everyone just because of some people's experiences. Not everyone had the same experience. I don't attack others if they say they had bad experiences but I don't appreciate the tone being put out there.
Guest2, I am wondering if you could tell me what about your and/or your friends' experiences at The Seed that you or they found helpful?
I am also wondering ... why do you think it is ... that so many people look back on that time with such extreme negativity?
And I am also wondering whether you think that it is acceptable for so many people to have had experiences which have clearly scarred them to a life-affecting degree ... especially in light of the fact that the mental health professions hold a credo of "First, Do No Harm?"
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you keep living your so. fl. loser life greg.
i enjoy my worldly travels.
you can bet your arse there are many people barker and his cohorts fear.
and you can bet your arse that they want nothing more than people like you to be detached, and raise your grandchildren.
they want that mess forgotten so assholes like crist, and other corrupt, and vicious people can continue the cycle of violence against kids.
i assure you - if we met in person, you wouldn't call me a putz to my face. i assure you of that.
you'd pull the typical, "hey - man, i didn't mean it dude. it's cool."
but, i'd still knock you into next week knowing how weak and spineless you are.
i stated clearly, my posts -- which for certain you have not read, were not posted to make friends. they were to entice.
and clearly they have.
now, get off of your 10 minute walmart break, and get back to your much practiced -- welcome, to walmart.
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its a roar to see my younger sister get discredited for posting her thoughts.
and mocked for the seed destroying her youth.
she bounced back well, she is the one living in coconut grove in a house the entire lot of you couldn't afford -- combined.
she has a peaceful business - selling orchids.
she posts her hatred for the seed.
and i post my hatred for cowards like you. anybody that was kidnapped and says the seed helped them, is a fucking lunatic, that has the patty hearst syndrome some 30 odd years later.
i'm glad you are not moderating this board.
because no doubt - no one could say how they feel.
i love the idea of barker's head half blown off and unrecognizable on the other side of the room.
i'm surprised he is the one that finally did it.
i am more surprised that no one had done it sooner.
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Hey when you writing about John Underpants???? That guy was nuts, and one of the biggest criminals in there,( I myself would love to hear about him walking out on FART BARKER himself)( his 6 years in there instead of jail where he should have been) oh and what about that big black dude Art, sometimes I thought Art the black dude would burst, anyways, Iove your writing so get to work, screw Greg and his ego, the handful of idiots that follow him, are nothing like the line of souls that would gladly sign anything to get that fool behind bars......sigh..... :twofinger:
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I didn't attack anyone but just stated how I felt about the Seed. To me the measure of a person is not how much money someone has but the quality of the person and that's one thing that I learned at the Seed. Money can't make someone happy in life but the kind of person and the things that they do to help others is what makes someone happy in life.
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You learned shit then, because it sure enough made those staff and Fart Barker happy. Sorry no seedlings got a piece of the pie like those idjits did, and I saw you attack plenty. :twofinger:
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I didn't attack anyone but just stated how I felt about the Seed. To me the measure of a person is not how much money someone has but the quality of the person and that's one thing that I learned at the Seed. Money can't make someone happy in life but the kind of person and the things that they do to help others is what makes someone happy in life.
oh really? then what do you call this:
Whatever Stack says pretty much has zero credibility. What a loser this japanese femboy is.
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... 96#p338696 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28091&p=338696#p338696)
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guest2 is an unregistered name you idiot. Anyone can use it.
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The loser keeps posting about a loser,so who is the real loser??? (greg) you boys need grow up, what happened to the purpose, hummmmmmm? you 2 fools should have to watch that video over and over again to get what ever is out of head out once and for all.YOU know the video that greg seems to think may do Susan harm, (chuckles), It would be fun to watch you to have to sit next to each other and hold hands through the movie too, lol, now that was funny. :twofinger: oh, and lets not forget the love yas at the end of the movies,this is getting creepy,I here there is a possible partial nude of old susie q out there somewhere, lets see who is the first to find it, lol, looky whats coming out of the wood works lol, was kidding about the partial nudes, but what the hec, lets see what all can dog up. lol.....sigh.....Dig too......sigh....... :roflmao: And yes you are always attacking. Imagine Barkers nudes, ewwwwwwwwww, gross, yuk.....sigh.... lets get dirty . :twofinger: