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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: justonemore on May 04, 2010, 03:14:05 PM
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This forum fails because the forum moderators fail to moderate. there is no question and answer, there is only accusation and counter-accusation from and to people who seem to know each other, and occupy this board therewith. Witness Sharon, Bennison, Babitz, Sticky Stack, et al.
There are those of us , many to count, who have come to this board to find insight, answers to the experience we had, horrible as it is. And yet, and yet. What we find is a never-ending tribe of the stupid, prattling on, trivializing our experience. Is that what you wanted? Yeah, what the stupid want is to trivialize the experience of others. This is not trivial, and lest it happen to you, you'd better listen.
But you won't. you're both stupid and proud. And it will happen to you. Expect my sympathy then.
I will save my compassion for those who fought before time, who respected others before time, who remember. I grew up around people with blue numbers on their arms, who remember the mandate, who remember the sierra maestre '58.
i'm not so old, nor so slow, but I remember what they told me. i remember who they were. I won't forget who you are either.
J.O.M.
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A wise old mountain man took his grandson on a trading trip through a couple of nearby towns on his regular trading route. There they met a stranger who asked the old dude about the town. "I've heard this town is a really bad one, full of thieves and ruffians and loose women. Is that true?" "Oh yes", said the old man, "you should be careful here." Short while later, another stranger asked about the place. "I've heard that this is a really good town, full of kind honest people and that I should think about moving my family here. Is that good advice?" "Oh yes", said the old man, "I love this town."
This confused the kid. He asked his grandpa why he had lied like that and which story had been the truth. "I didn't lie, son. Both things are true. It just depends on who and what you focus on."
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This forum fails because the forum moderators fail to moderate. there is no question and answer, there is only accusation and counter-accusation from and to people who seem to know each other, and occupy this board therewith. Witness Sharon, Bennison, Babitz, Sticky Stack, et al.
There are those of us , many to count, who have come to this board to find insight, answers to the experience we had, horrible as it is. And yet, and yet. What we find is a never-ending tribe of the stupid, prattling on, trivializing our experience. Is that what you wanted? Yeah, what the stupid want is to trivialize the experience of others. This is not trivial, and lest it happen to you, you'd better listen.
But you won't. you're both stupid and proud. And it will happen to you. Expect my sympathy then.
I will save my compassion for those who fought before time, who respected others before time, who remember. I grew up around people with blue numbers on their arms, who remember the mandate, who remember the sierra maestre '58.
i'm not so old, nor so slow, but I remember what they told me. i remember who they were. I won't forget who you are either.
J.O.M.
Listen JOM,
I have contributed to this site in more ways then one to advance its success. I find your characterization of me inappropriate for someone that barely knows me at all.
If you feel this is all I have been able to accomplish in your opinion then PM me and I will try to explain where I am coming from. I will not make excuses for my posts, most I believe in passionately. I have lost my mind at times yet I allow for the learning curve since I am a heated individual.
Danny
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A wise old mountain man took his grandson on a trading trip through a couple of nearby towns on his regular trading route. There they met a stranger who asked the old dude about the town. "I've heard this town is a really bad one, full of thieves and ruffians and loose women. Is that true?" "Oh yes", said the old man, "you should be careful here." Short while later, another stranger asked about the place. "I've heard that this is a really good town, full of kind honest people and that I should think about moving my family here. Is that good advice?" "Oh yes", said the old man, "I love this town."
This confused the kid. He asked his grandpa why he had lied like that and which story had been the truth. "I didn't lie, son. Both things are true. It just depends on who and what you focus on."
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A wise old mountain man took his grandson on a trading trip through a couple of nearby towns on his regular trading route. There they met a stranger who asked the old dude about the town. "I've heard this town is a really bad one, full of thieves and ruffians and loose women. Is that true?" "Oh yes", said the old man, "you should be careful here." Short while later, another stranger asked about the place. "I've heard that this is a really good town, full of kind honest people and that I should think about moving my family here. Is that good advice?" "Oh yes", said the old man, "I love this town."
This confused the kid. He asked his grandpa why he had lied like that and which story had been the truth. "I didn't lie, son. Both things are true. It just depends on who and what you focus on."
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Was just getting ready to say the same thing, very well put.
Danny
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Don't like Thieves, got a affinity for ruffians, ( sympatico, kind of) and i like loose women a lot.( no, I mean really.Really. A lot)
Great story, great allegory, 'cept.. Ain't no wise man.
Cut wood, carry water, powder, shot and ball. Load when ready, prepare to re-load, fire on command.
J.O.M
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This forum fails because the forum moderators fail to moderate. there is no question and answer, there is only accusation and counter-accusation from and to people who seem to know each other, and occupy this board therewith. Witness Sharon, Bennison, Babitz, Sticky Stack, et al.
There are those of us , many to count, who have come to this board to find insight, answers to the experience we had, horrible as it is. And yet, and yet. What we find is a never-ending tribe of the stupid, prattling on, trivializing our experience. Is that what you wanted? Yeah, what the stupid want is to trivialize the experience of others. This is not trivial, and lest it happen to you, you'd better listen.
But you won't. you're both stupid and proud. And it will happen to you. Expect my sympathy then.
I will save my compassion for those who fought before time, who respected others before time, who remember. I grew up around people with blue numbers on their arms, who remember the mandate, who remember the sierra maestre '58.
i'm not so old, nor so slow, but I remember what they told me. i remember who they were. I won't forget who you are either.
J.O.M.
You do realize the above are foaming off at the mouth on an unmoderated part of the forum? Hence, out of the moderation team's control to moderate.
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This forum FAILS because the anti program argument is invalid. Just because 0.000001% of kids who go to programs end up crying about it on message boards for years afterwards because they have issues with their family doesn't make programs bad. Just because 1 out of 10000 programs goes out of business doesn't make the rest just as bad. The hypocrisy here is so thick any one with an open mind would be hard pressed not to notice it immediately.
Let's say a "program survivor" (how laughable a term is that since 99.9999999999999999% of kids survive programs?) comes here and makes unsubstantiated claims about how evil a program is. Demands of proof? Hardly. Fornits takes that one single biased experience and uses it to paint an entire industry with the same bloodied brush! But wait! What about the large majority of kids who have positive, life changing, and life saving experiences in programs? They are brainwashed! Cannot be trusted! Their testimony is summarily dismissed as lies, propaganda, marketing or the words of the brainwashed. Luckily there is a resident hypocrisy detector TheWho who helpfully points out this bullshit, but TheWho hardly makes a dent because this place is built upon such bullshit hypocritical generalizations. Don't think the fornits cult members didn't try to purge THeWho, they used every tactic available from blackmail to threats. Including the admins of this very forum!!
This forum fails because it's not honest, the people who post here are not honest, they have an agenda and will use whatever bullshit tactics they need to push their lies. Fornits has morphed into a cult of losers who will defend bullshit claims to their death bed. Fornits fails because 12 survivors post here (according to a recent poll) out of the hundreds of thousands that have been through them. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. Programs Win!
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This forum FAILS because the anti program argument is invalid. Just because 0.000001% of kids who go to programs end up crying about it on message boards for years afterwards because they have issues with their family doesn't make programs bad. Just because 1 out of 10000 programs goes out of business doesn't make the rest just as bad. The hypocrisy here is so thick any one with an open mind would be hard pressed not to notice it immediately.
Let's say a "program survivor" (how laughable a term is that since 99.9999999999999999% of kids survive programs?) comes here and makes unsubstantiated claims about how evil a program is. Demands of proof? Hardly. Fornits takes that one single biased experience and uses it to paint an entire industry with the same bloodied brush! But wait! What about the large majority of kids who have positive, life changing, and life saving experiences in programs? They are brainwashed! Cannot be trusted! Their testimony is summarily dismissed as lies, propaganda, marketing or the words of the brainwashed. Luckily there is a resident hypocrisy detector TheWho who helpfully points out this bullshit, but TheWho hardly makes a dent because this place is built upon such bullshit hypocritical generalizations. Don't think the fornits cult members didn't try to purge THeWho, they used every tactic available from blackmail to threats. Including the admins of this very forum!!
This forum fails because it's not honest, the people who post here are not honest, they have an agenda and will use whatever bullshit tactics they need to push their lies. Fornits has morphed into a cult of losers who will defend bullshit claims to their death bed. Fornits fails because 12 survivors post here (according to a recent poll) out of the hundreds of thousands that have been through them. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. Programs Win!
You know I see your point completely. It does make perfect sense.
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This forum FAILS because the anti program argument is invalid. Just because 0.000001% of kids who go to programs end up crying about it on message boards for years afterwards because they have issues with their family doesn't make programs bad. Just because 1 out of 10000 programs goes out of business doesn't make the rest just as bad. The hypocrisy here is so thick any one with an open mind would be hard pressed not to notice it immediately.
Let's say a "program survivor" (how laughable a term is that since 99.9999999999999999% of kids survive programs?) comes here and makes unsubstantiated claims about how evil a program is. Demands of proof? Hardly. Fornits takes that one single biased experience and uses it to paint an entire industry with the same bloodied brush! But wait! What about the large majority of kids who have positive, life changing, and life saving experiences in programs? They are brainwashed! Cannot be trusted! Their testimony is summarily dismissed as lies, propaganda, marketing or the words of the brainwashed. Luckily there is a resident hypocrisy detector TheWho who helpfully points out this bullshit, but TheWho hardly makes a dent because this place is built upon such bullshit hypocritical generalizations. Don't think the fornits cult members didn't try to purge THeWho, they used every tactic available from blackmail to threats. Including the admins of this very forum!!
This forum fails because it's not honest, the people who post here are not honest, they have an agenda and will use whatever bullshit tactics they need to push their lies. Fornits has morphed into a cult of losers who will defend bullshit claims to their death bed. Fornits fails because 12 survivors post here (according to a recent poll) out of the hundreds of thousands that have been through them. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. Programs Win!
You know I see your point completely. It does make perfect sense.
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Now your starting to come around, Sharon have your own opinions here, dare to be different. Not every single piece of evidence has to be looked through the same microscope.
Yes I did go through a very sick program called Elan yet there are different experiences, don't be brainwashed again.
Danny
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THIS FAILS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ART ARE ALLOWED TO BULLY A SITE, GINGER A PUSSY TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, PSY WELL ANOTHER PUSSY AFRAID TO BE HUMAN, FELICE THE CUNTMENTAL CASE, CHE IS EVIL ASS CHINA PANDA FUCKER ARE GIVEN FREE RAIN TO DO WHATEVER, MARY WELL WE KNOW ABOUT MARY TOO SHE THINKS WE DONT BUT WE DO, JOEL WITH HIS MANY SCREENAMES. YOU PEOPLE GOT YOUR LITTLE FORUM AND CAN CARE LESS ABOUT HURTING GOOD PEOPLE. HALF THESE SCHOOLS ARE NEEDED. HALF OF YOU NEEDED TO BE HOUSED IN A FACILITY. THE WORLD CLEARLY CAN SEE THAT. YOU ALL TRIED TO BREAK RULES AND BREAK THE LAWS OF THE LAND AND NOW COME BACK WHINING LIKE LITTLE BITCHES AND ASSHOLES BECAUSE SOCIETY WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH YOU RUNNING WILD, HURTING YOUR PARENTS. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. I SAY OPEN MORE PLACEMENTS FOR YOU PEOPLE. FELICE YOU NEED TO BE LOCKED THE FUCK UP CRAZY CUNT. ART YOU ARE JUST AS SICK. CHE GO FUCK A PANDA. OH THATS RIGHT YOU CANNOT WORK IN THE UNITED STATES HAD TO LEAVE GO FIGURE.
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HALF THESE SCHOOLS ARE NEEDED. HALF OF YOU NEEDED TO BE HOUSED IN A FACILITY. THE WORLD CLEARLY CAN SEE THAT. YOU ALL TRIED TO BREAK RULES AND BREAK THE LAWS OF THE LAND AND NOW COME BACK WHINING LIKE LITTLE BITCHES AND ASSHOLES BECAUSE SOCIETY WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH YOU RUNNING WILD, HURTING YOUR PARENTS. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. I SAY OPEN MORE PLACEMENTS FOR YOU PEOPLE.
I disagree. None of "these schools" are needed. None of us needed to be abused in facilities. The world can not clearly see much of anything concerning this. If people broke laws they should have been tried properly and with due process, not coerced into some stupid fucking brainwashing camp. Blah blah blah, either you're a troll or you're off your meds. Maybe you should smoke some of that pot in your avatar, it might help you.
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If that facility lets me play Xbox 360 when I want I'm game for being housed.
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HALF THESE SCHOOLS ARE NEEDED. HALF OF YOU NEEDED TO BE HOUSED IN A FACILITY. THE WORLD CLEARLY CAN SEE THAT. YOU ALL TRIED TO BREAK RULES AND BREAK THE LAWS OF THE LAND AND NOW COME BACK WHINING LIKE LITTLE BITCHES AND ASSHOLES BECAUSE SOCIETY WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH YOU RUNNING WILD, HURTING YOUR PARENTS. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. I SAY OPEN MORE PLACEMENTS FOR YOU PEOPLE.
I disagree. None of "these schools" are needed. None of us needed to be abused in facilities. The world can not clearly see much of anything concerning this. If people broke laws they should have been tried properly and with due process, not coerced into some stupid fucking brainwashing camp. Blah blah blah, either you're a troll or you're off your meds. Maybe you should smoke some of that pot in your avatar, it might help you.
HERES MY POINT. NOTHING IS EVEN SAID HARDLY ABOUT THE SCHOOLS SOME OF US NEED TO KNOW INSTEAD PEOPLE COME HERE TO SEE PEOPLE BASHING DAILY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WHO NEED TREATMENT CONSTANTLY. I WOULD NOT EVEN TRUST FELICE WITH A DOG LET ALONE A CHILD. I GOOGLED HER JUST LIKE SHE SAYS TO DO AND WAS BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY. THAT WOMEN IS ILL. AARON I WENT TO HEAL AND CALLED ANGELA GOT THE LOW DOWN ON HIM AS WELL. SICK FUCKERS ABLE TO MODERATE THIS FORUM. MOM SAYS GINGER AND MIKE ARE NICE PEOPLE BUT IF THEY WERE WHY DID THEY TURN THEIR FORUM TO SHIT, AND ALLOW IT TO GET THIS BAD. I HOLE THEM RESPONSIBLE. I LOVE HOW GINGER SAYS WE ARE NOT LIABLE BUT REALLY THEY ARE. TO TURN LOOSE PEOLE LIKE AARON AND FELICE IS UNBELIEVABLY STUPID JUDGEMENT CALLING. THEY LET THE TRASH CONTINUE WHICH GIVE THEM A BAD NAME. I CAN CARE LESS WHO SPEAKS BETTER OR WHO HAS BETTER USE OF WORDS ANY ASSHOLE CAN PICK UP A DICTIONARY. FAKE ASS PEOPLE ON HERE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD. BUNCH OF ATTENTION WHORES IF YOU ASK ME. IT FAILS BECAUSE THE ATTENTION WHORING.
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I'M DRIBBLING IDIOT WHO NEEDS TO TAKE A SPECIAL EDUCATION COURSE IN WRITING. HEAR ME ROAR YOU BAD PEOPLE YOU.
I like this one better.
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I'M DRIBBLING IDIOT WHO NEEDS TO TAKE A SPECIAL EDUCATION COURSE IN WRITING. HEAR ME ROAR YOU BAD PEOPLE YOU.
I like this one better.
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I'M DRIBBLING IDIOT WHO NEEDS TO TAKE A SPECIAL EDUCATION COURSE IN WRITING. HEAR ME ROAR YOU BAD PEOPLE YOU.
I like this one better.
OH YOUR THE NASTY RASTY ASSHOLE WHO STARTED HALF THIS SHIT YEARS AGO. YOU NEED TO BE ARRESTED FOR WHAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO TO ART. YOU ARE THE REASON THEY NEED PLACEMENT CENTERS AND FACILITIES. NAZI NAME SAYS IT ALL IN YOU. BIGGOT.
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THIS FORUM FAILS BECAUSE OF THE ALLOWING OF PEOPLE LIKE CHE AND FELICE AND JOEL TO RUN AROUND LIKE BABIES STIRRING PEOPLE UP ON PURPOSE FOR THERE LITTLE TWISTED SIDE SHOWS. THEY CARE NOT FOR REAL PEOPLE. THEY ARE ATTENTION WHORES HOPING SOMEONE LOOKS AT THEM LIKE THEY ARE SOMETHING. TRUTH IS WE ALL KNOW YOU THREE ARE NASTY RASTY FUCK BRAINS WITH NO REAL PURPOSE.
FELICE CALLS HERSELF DOING THINGS FOR WISCONSIN MENTAL HEALTH NOW I WORRY ABOUT THAT. HER SO CALLEFRIEND TRIED TO KILL HERSELF DID SHE CARE..NO...NOT AT ALL. IF ANYTHING HER EMAILS TO MY MOM SAID A LOT. I THINK I SHALL POINT THEM TODAY FOR YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT A COLD HEARTED CUNT SHE IS. NO CALL NO CONDOLENSES NO NOTHING FROM HER CONFUSED ASS. I BET SHE NEEDS TO CHECK WITH HER ALTER PART FIRST BEFORE EVEN DOING A THING. WHO ARE YOU TODAY FELICE...MARTHA?SUSIE?GOERGE?CHE? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PLAN ON HELPING ANYONE WHEN YOUR SO FUCKEN CRAZY? I WOULD BE AFRAID TO EVEN HAVE YOU SPEAK FOR ME GOD KNOWS WHAT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. YOU DO NEED MEDICATION STOP BEING IN DENILE. WHAT FUCKS ME UP IS MY MOM CRIED FOR YOU. FELT BAD FOR YOU. YOU DO NOT DESERVE ANY OF HER GOODNESS.
JOEL JUST STFU AND OPEN A DICTIONARY TO WORK ON YOUR RESPONSE WHICH WILL MOST LIKELY TAKE YOU A HOUR OR TWO TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING WITTY. CHE YOU ARE JUST EVIL. NO OTHER TERM FOR YOU BUT EVILNESS. I BELIEVE SATAN SPAWNED YOU. TWISTED MIND YOU GOT.
FELICE YOU NEEDED TO BE IN ELAN. YOU ARE SICK. HIGHLY SICK. ELAN DID NOTHING TO YOU THAT YOU DID NOT BRING ONTO YOURSELF. YOU GOT ATTENTION FROM ELAN. YOU ARE THE ONE WHOM NEEDED THAT PLACE.
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LITTLE SORRY ASS FELICE ONLY THING SHE KNOWS HOW TO DO IS ATTACK SMALL DEFENSLESS KIDS. SHE ATTACKED MY 8 YEAR OLD BROTHER TODAY IN A SICK WAY. SLANDERING AN 8 YEAR OLD NOW THAT IS POWERFULLY AWESOME ISN'T IT? GO POP SOME PILLS AND TRY TO HAVE A GOOD DAY. YOU CANT CAN YOU GUILT RIDDLING YOUR BRAINS. WHAT DID YOU DO, HOW DID YOU GET CAUGHT? YOU GOT CAUGHT BECAUSE YOU GOT SLOPPY. YOU LEFT A TRAIL. A TRAIL OF LIES AND EMAILS THAT BOTH ART AND MOM WILL GET. YOU LEFT LIES EVERYWHERE YOU TURNED. YOU THINK MOMS NAME GOT DESTROYED LMAO LMAO LMAO NOT REALLY BUT YOURS IS AND DID.YOU WENT AFTER SOMEONE GOOD BECAUSE ATTENTION WHORE FELICE WAS NOT GETTING ATTETION AND HOW DARE THE WORLD NOT GOOGLE YOUR NAME? GOOGLE YOUR NAME? WHAT TYPE SHIT IS THAT? YOU SCREAM GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME ALL THE TIME. YOUR LIFE IS A WASTED MESS. DOES GINGER KNOW THINGS YOU SAY ABOUT HER? DO YOU BREAK EVERYONES SECRETS TO SUIT YOU? SILLY BITCH YOU SAY I AM MOM, NO i AM ME AND THREE AUNTIES WHO CARE A HELL OF A LOT ABOUT MOM. SO IN A SENSE YOUR RIGHT I AM NOT ALONE ON THIS. I GOT THREE PEOPLE LOGGING INTO THIS TOO. ISNT THAT THE GAMES YOU LIKE LITTLE FELICE? EMAILS FELICE ARE A BEAUTIFUL THING. WE GOT MANY FELICE DO WE SHARE THEM WITH THE WORLD. YOU SAT IN FRONT OF MY BROTHERS SMOKING WEED, NOW THAT IS GOOD PARENTING SKILLS. NO WONDER YOU LOST YOUR KIDS. OR WAS IT YOU FUCKEN WERE AS SHITTY OF A PERSON TO THEM AS YOU ARE TO EVERYONE ELSE?
YOU THINK ELAN IS OPEN DUE TO PEOPLE LIKE MY MOM WHO SAY ABOUT WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH? NO IT IS OPEN DUE TO CRAZY BITCHES LIKE YOU THAT ACT JUST AS CRAZY OPENLY AND DO NOT GIVE A FUCK WHO CROSSES THEIR PATH. YOU SPIT ON OTHERS LIKE IT IS NOT A THING. WELL WE ARE HERE TO TELL YOU IT IS NO RIGHT. OTHERS KNOW ABOUT YOU ATTENTION WHORE.THEY ALREADY GOOGLED YOUR NAME. TONS OF CRAZY SHIT THERE AND YOUR ARTWORK SUCKS WHO TOLD YOU THAT TWISTED SHIT WAS GOOD LIED TO YOU. YOU MAKE VIDEOS AND ALL SORTS BUT LIES ARE IN THEM FULLY SO CREDIT OUT THE WINDOW THERE.
AUNTIE DAWN WENT THERE TO, SHE REMEMBERS YOU. ATTENTION WHORE THEN AS AN ATTENTION WHORE NOW. SHE SAYS YOU ACTED LIKE A COMPLETE FOOL AND BROUGHT TROUBLE TO THE PLATE EVERYDAY. REBEL TO THE END WERENT YOU? SHE ALSO SAYS HALF YOU NIT WITS WOULD NOT DO AS YOU WERE TOLD AS TEENAGERS HAD TO ALWAYS BE RIGHT. THAT PLACE WAS NOT YOUR PROBLEM IT WAS YOU ALL INSIDE YOURSELVES. THEY RANDOMLY DONT PICK KIDS TO GO IN PLACES LIKE THAT. YOU DID SOMETHING TO GO THERE. AWWW LITTLE FELICE DID NOT WANT TO FOLLOW MOMMY AND DADDY RULES. WELL WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN. THEY REFUSED TO TAKE YOUR SHIT AS NOW MANY KNOW ABOUT YOU TOO.
YOU OWE TRUE ELAN SURVIVORS A MAJOR APOLOGY. PEOPLE LIKE MY MOM, AND THE OTHERS TORTURES THERE. PEOPLE LIKE YOU RAISE THE QUESTION OF IT NEVER HAPPENED DUE TO YOUR LACK OF CREDIBLITY. YOU ARE A LIABILITY TO THEIR CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT. YOU MAKE THE ARGUEMENT OF IT NEVER HAPPENED LOOK AT FELICE THAT CRAZY BITCH. OH SILLY LITTLE GIRL FELICE MY MOM WILL BE FINE AFTER A TOUVCH OR TWO OF THERAPY, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU? LIFE LONG LIVED OF MENTAL ILLNESS MUST SUCK COMPLETELY. AND YOU SIT ONLINE AND BRING EVERYONE INTO YOUR WORLD FELICE. NO ONE LIKES HALF THE SHIT YOU DO. THEY TALK ABOUT YOU. YES LITTLE GIRL THEY TALK ABOUT YOU RIGHT AFTER THEY GOOGLE YOUR NAME. THEY SIT IN A TRANCE OF WONDERING OH MY FUCKEN GOD THAT IS A ELAN SPOKESPERSON. THAT PLACE WILL NEVER CLOSE DUE TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
SO KISS MY ASS AND US THREE. OK HAVE A GREAT DAY FELICE AND DONT GO CUTTING YOURSELF UP AND CRYING THE BLUES, YOU KNEW WHAT YOU DID AND OTHERS SHALL AS WELL. GOOD LUCK AND DO US A FAVOR GO CHECK YOURSELF INTO THE BIN YOUR BROTHER IS IN. OH THATS RIGHT YOUR BROTHER IS MORE CRAZIER THAN YOU. HOW DOES IT FEEL HAVING YOUR BROTHER DRAGGED INTO IT. MINE IS A MINOR HE STILL HAS A LIFE YOURS IS A DRUG FIEND AND A MENTAL CASE. APPLE DONT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE DOES IT? GOD WHAT WERE YOUR PARENTS LIKE, WERE YOUR GUYS INBREED OR SOMETHING TO GET THIS FUCKED UP.
SO ENJOY YOUR LITTLE GAMES ON HERE, AND TAKING ALL US ON. YOU WOULD OF BEEN FINE BUT YOU FUCKED WITH OUR BLOOD A LITTLE BOY AGE OF 8. KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU GOT KNIFE IN HAND READY TO CARVE AGAIN OK. YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF NOW EAT THE REWARDS. THERE SHALL BE MANY. WE CAN EVEN BE ONE OF YOUR FAKE LITTLE FRIENDS OUT THERE GUESS YOU WILL NEVER KNOW.
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Taking a break from the sun and fun, beaches and boating? For someone with such a great life you sure spend a lot of it on fornits talking about bullshit.
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I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
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here this should make every one shit bricks
SUWS did good things for me OMG HE SAID A PROGRAM HELPED HIM
Benchmark was a total sham and needs to be shut down and does nothing but warehouse young adults to extort money from there families
let the flaming begin ::evil::
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here this should make every one shit bricks
SUWS did good things for me OMG HE SAID A PROGRAM HELPED HIM
Benchmark was a total sham and needs to be shut down and does nothing but warehouse young adults to extort money from there families
let the flaming begin ::evil::
I don't think you'll get the response you're looking for. I know you and I know you to be an honest person. If you feel SUWS helped you, I honestly believe you feel that way. It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown.
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here this should make every one shit bricks
SUWS did good things for me OMG HE SAID A PROGRAM HELPED HIM
Benchmark was a total sham and needs to be shut down and does nothing but warehouse young adults to extort money from there families
let the flaming begin ::evil::
Psy your response wasnt very nice.
M_Hilton, Its sad reading your post and a sobering reminder that you will not get a welcoming response or discussion your post should encourage. Fronits has created such a deep seeded culture that people are afraid and defensive (like yourself) to say anything positive about their stay in a program.
You never hear anyone talk about a good friend they met or a staff/counselor who helped them for fear of being labeled as brainwashed or a programmie. Even the jews who were in concentration camps felt comfortable enough to speak openly and honestly and say they met some good people and fellow Germans who were willing to help and changed their lives for the better.
Instead of getting acknowledgement for your feelings you get a pat on the back and they say: “I honestly believe you must feel that way” Like it is all in your mind and because we believe that you are not a liar you must be having an off day to say something like that.. However, if you are up for it I can show you kids who were hurt by SUWS so you should reconsider what you are saying. If you don’t reconsider I can show you some posts where kids we abused and killed. Then you will reconsider what you are saying I am sure, because you are a sensible person.
M_Hilton, Didn’t someone yell at you, deny you food or force you to walk when you didn’t want to? If the answer was yes to any of these then you were abused. Were you not forced to build your own fire in order to eat? Did your parents ask you first before you were sent to SUWS? Or were you sent there against your will? Don’t you feel you were good enough to deserve basic human rights? Why do you cave in and say that SUWS helped you?
You just don’t realize it yet but you have been brain washed.
It would be nice to be able to talk openly about programs without being afraid that if you said something nice like : “I met a good friend” or “The staff treated me okay” you would be labeled. Its too bad that fornits has created a culture which puts so much pressure on posters to just talk about the negative side of programs.
Can that be changed?
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Whooter. Attempting to play a person who was in program with me against me is not going to work. I'm not saying nor have I ever said that people cannot have good experiences in programs or that all staff are evil. What I have said is that there is so much bad out there that it overwhelms the good and as such it's not safe for parents to take the risk of a placement. There is simply no way to tell a good program from a bad one.
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Whooter. Attempting to play a person who was in program with me against me is not going to work. I'm not saying nor have I ever said that people cannot have good experiences in programs or that all staff are evil. What I have said is that there is so much bad out there that it overwhelms the good and as such it's not safe for parents to take the risk of a placement. There is simply no way to tell a good program from a bad one.
You have been around here long enough to know what I mean. Someone claims they had a good experience ....they are questioned left and right or given a pat on the back and told to wait a few years. Look at your response to M_Hilton. Why were you not happy he/she had a good experience? You must read outside fornits enough to know that many kids are helped by wilderness. I know you are not that isolated. Yet you pretend that kids who do well are an anomaly.
But if someone like myself questions a survivor saying they were wrapped in duct tape from head to toe and thrown into the ocean during a typhoon then everyone gets bent out of shape and pissed off for me even bring up the question.
You cant be that blind by the bias here, psy. You really think a survivor that says they were helped by a program will get the same treatment here as one who says they were abused?
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As a former staff member I first posted awhile ago. When I did post I received a repy "Dude get ready for a shit storm to pour down on you' (something like that). I even put my phone number on the post. Someone was nice enough to call me and say take it off because people want to kill you. Anyway I have talked to several people over the phone. I understood some of the things people were saying on this site about the programs. We did not yell at each other and had several nice talks. I feel this could be a good web site if certain people stay off or start sticking on the subjects that matter. I would love to talk to others and understand more. I first posted on this site to find old friends I went through the program with.
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As a former staff member I first posted awhile ago. When I did post I received a repy "Dude get ready for a shit storm to pour down on you' (something like that). I even put my phone number on the post. Someone was nice enough to call me and say take it off because people want to kill you. Anyway I have talked to several people over the phone. I understood some of the things people were saying on this site about the programs. We did not yell at each other and had several nice talks. I feel this could be a good web site if certain people stay off or start sticking on the subjects that matter. I would love to talk to others and understand more. I first posted on this site to find old friends I went through the program with.
DANNY YOUR BACK
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Whooter what you dont know is Psy and know each other pretty well
and what he said is true i have no idea whats changed at SUWS its been a VERY long time almost 11 years this summer
now what i do know is what one gets from them unlike other place is dependent on who your working with SUWS groups when i was there were small 6 to 8 kids and 2 staff
and staff i had seemed to want to help and were every open about things later on
no the office staff is another matter but the people in the field i think what to help at lest then
M_Hilton, Didn’t someone yell at you, deny you food or force you to walk when you didn’t want to? If the answer was yes to any of these then you were abused. Were you not forced to build your own fire in order to eat? Did your parents ask you first before you were sent to SUWS? Or were you sent there against your will? Don’t you feel you were good enough to deserve basic human rights? Why do you cave in and say that SUWS helped you?
You just don’t realize it yet but you have been brain washed.
at SUWS
1. i was never yelled at ever
2. i was never denied food or water
3. kinda i did camping and hiking stuff befor that SUWS was a walk in the park for me from that point most kids that end up there have never been out of there state let alone done any real hiking lol Boy Scouts
4. was i asked no but its a long story the short ver is i was kicked out of another summer camp
and what did i get out of it
well to think things though all the way be for acting for one
bit of background i have been in the "special ed" system since i was 8 or so if you looked at my last 2 years of highschool be for and after SUWS you cant say it didnt do some thing
now Benchmark DID deny food
forced me to live in a piss hole motel
did nothing to help with my learning disabilities AFTER MUCH pleading to even get to take some classes
destroyed relationships with others that were proving to be positive for both parties
and here is one of all time favs
STOLE MONEY FROM STUDENTS
you might be asking how?
well on sink or swim as they call it one option is to get a job lol but you have use there office number as contact so gl ever getting any calls back
and lets say you do some how get a job some were Benchmark makes you turn over your paychecks to them maybe letting you keep 10 bucks out of it becouse you "might by drugs" RAGE
so as you see wile SUWS did fulfill some of what they say they would do Benchmark utterly misrepresented them selves will pissing away almost $35,000 a YEAR
35,000 to do what? pay 40 bucks a week for food and maybe that much for a motel room every thing else i did was on top of that you people say there NOT a scam i call BULL SHIT
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What he says about the motels and the theft of money (not to mention property) is true. I'd estimate eventually around 90% ended up in motels, some sooner than others (with me it was 6 months, give or take). It was supposed to be an "alternative" living arrangement but with the percentage of kids ending up there I'd say it was more of a primary one, and a very profitable one at that. You see, each kid who ends up in motel frees up an enrollment slot. Benchmark could have 70 students enrolled while only paying full expenses on maybe half of those. The rest... Like Mike said, it's not that expensive to pay for lodging at a roach motel and 40 bucks a week for food (if you're good, otherwise it's cup 'o' noodles and a few energy bars for you). One motel told us when we went down in Nov 07 that they have a contract with Benchmark.
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I wasn't even in Benchmark and I can vouch for the hotel thing.
Psy, you remember that fleabag little hotel we were staying at with Marco, the kid wanted to return to Mexico, but Benchmark had him stashed in a hotel? I remember us hitting hotel after hotel until we found him and finally when we went back to our own to get some sleep ol' Ronnie, that cunt of a staffer, shows up at our hotel to give a kid his meds.
Turns out we went and knocked on the wrong door or something.
Anyhow, I wasn't out front for the kerfluffle that followed, I was lying down trying to rest when that fat sack of shit Ronnie slobbered his way over to Psy with the kid and says something like,"This guy has something to say to you!"
The kid in the hotel says, "I don't want you guys bothering me.."
Psy says something like, "Too bad our offer for a bus ticket home and some food money is still good.."
Kid says to ronnie,"OMFG you gotta get me outta here!!!"
Funny shit.. but yeah.. Benchmark is sinister in their operations. They dump the kids in the worst pits in Redlands California. They don't give them their picture ID. They don't let them have enough money to connect their phones. They tell the kids that they need to get a job, but who is going to give someone a job with no ID or a Phone? The real clincher for me is they feed the kids a bunch of shit food. No fresh greens, fruit, or fresh bread. Just over-process shit out of a can that is chock full of preservatives, salt, and other shit.
The sort of food that ought to be labelled, "YOU are better off eating dogfood!"
And they throw in some cup o noodle crap as well.
Now.. here is the even more fucked up part. Where can you run? Psy and I talked to a really nice chap who was doing some of the gardening out front of Benchmark with a work crew from one of those Developmentally disabled programs. You know.. the kind of program that tries to get handicapped folks jobs so they can fell useful and such?
Anyway.. this guy and his workcrew were doing the gardening and Psy and I talk to him and for the life of him he couldn't think of any real places the homeless can turn to in that town.
No private charity..
City is dangerous as hell.. We saw a huge brawl of about 6 or 7 dudes in the parking lot of a fastfood restaurant our first night in town.
Cops are very unfriendly to runaways..
So yeah.. there you have it.. Everything I just talked about I saw with my own eyes at the Benchmark Protest.
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oh so that tells us all something. PSY and CHE are actually friends. Go figure why he is allowed to run without a leash on here. It all falls into place slowly doesn't it.
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now Benchmark DID deny food
forced me to live in a piss hole motel
did nothing to help with my learning disabilities AFTER MUCH pleading to even get to take some classes
destroyed relationships with others that were proving to be positive for both parties
and here is one of all time favs
STOLE MONEY FROM STUDENTS
you might be asking how?
well on sink or swim as they call it one option is to get a job lol but you have use there office number as contact so gl ever getting any calls back
and lets say you do some how get a job some were Benchmark makes you turn over your paychecks to them maybe letting you keep 10 bucks out of it becouse you "might by drugs" RAGE
Guess what, parents deny their kids food ALL THE TIME. This is NOT ABUSE. If you think staying in a motel room is abuse, you must be the world's most spoiled kid ever, and have no understanding of what the word "abuse" actually means.
If they were stealing money from people, Psy would of called the cops and reported them a long time ago. This is a guy who flew thousands of miles to stalk staff persons around town before the cops got involved.
Sink or swim, welcome to the real world! Most people don't get a free motel room, they get a homeless shelter if they can't find a job and pay their bills. 18 year olds and younger are kicked out of their parents house all the time, and somehow they make it. Yet you are complaining about a free motel room and help getting a job?? ?Really??? You think this is abuse?? Please go look up abuse in the dictionary, and the legal definition of what constitutes a crime. In drug rehabs (but yours actually sounds like a halfway house, but even more lenient since you get a motel room) they keep your paycheck so you , wait for it, dont spend it on drugs! Big surprise! Why were you in a rehab if you didn't need help. Were you 18 years old? If so, then stop complaining, you could have left whenever you wanted. But instead you want to blame someone else, and you let psychos like Psy convince you "you were abused".
Seriously, this is what you sounds like..
My parents abused me because they wouldn't let me eat ice cream and candy whenever I wanted! When I turned 18 they paid for my apartment and food and everything, but it was in a shitty part of town! They weren't good parents and didn't help me with my personal issues either. In exchange for this abusive treatment from my parents, I had to hand over a large chunk of my paycheck, can you believe that?! THEY STOLED THIS MONEY FROM ME!
How does that sounds... perhaps like a spoiled person out of touch with the reality most people live in? Kinda, huh!
Just tell everyone one thing though, when this "abuse" happened were you over the age of 18? I'm thinking yes, because I doubt that they would let a 17 year old live in a motel. If you answer yes, then you are so full of shit because you could of left and started your own life instead of taking handouts and then complaining about it.
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Not to be on anybodys side here, Psy or Che is everyone were talking about here 18 or older. Can they leave if they want to. Just asking not judging anything, don't have enough information. I have read what psy has said over time, no it is not my experience/story of programs yet I have learned everyone has there own and they are just as painful as the next.
I think outside of some who post here just to be a jerk, some folks have had it so bad in (treatment centers) they have a hard time identifying with psy, not that you should care or have to defend yourself. They see where supposedly you could leave psy and people just are dumbfounded. They say,"we could not escape." Now I say supposedly because of the peer pressure intimidation and maybe parents did not necessarily want you back at the time you wanted to go back.
People be open minded.
Danny
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All your questions are answered on my website,in the Benchmark forum, or similar threads. I can't be arsed to reiterate myself again and again on this topic. I've written at least 5 responses to the particular accusations. Here are a few threads to start off with:
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28838 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28838)
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19452 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19452)
Read what Che says in the first one. There's your corroboration... not that it's necessary since M_Hilton is here as well.
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wow everyone has to justify themselves
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All your questions are answered on my website,in the Benchmark forum, or similar threads. I can't be arsed to reiterate myself again and again on this topic. I've written at least 5 responses to the particular accusations. Here are a few threads to start off with:
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28838 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28838)
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19452 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19452)
Read what Che says in the first one. There's your corroboration... not that it's necessary since M_Hilton is here as well.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
I almost felt like hypercritical because as you know I dislike very much to answer the same question over and over, thank you for your help. I will read up, something I have neglected to do since I've got here.
I will not ask again.
Danny
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:shamrock: :shamrock:
Not to be on anybodys side here, Psy or Che is everyone were talking about here 18 or older. Can they leave if they want to. Just asking not judging anything, don't have enough information. I have read what psy has said over time, no it is not my experience/story of programs yet I have learned everyone has there own and they are just as painful as the next.
I think outside of some who post here just to be a jerk, some folks have had it so bad in (treatment centers) they have a hard time identifying with psy, not that you should care or have to defend yourself. They see where supposedly you could leave psy and people just are dumbfounded. They say,"we could not escape." Now I say supposedly because of the peer pressure intimidation and maybe parents did not necessarily want you back at the time you wanted to go back.
People be open minded.
Danny
A prison with out walls is still a prison
sure we could just leave but were are we going to go? have you been to Redlands CA or worse Yucipa or San Bernadino? not a place you want to be walking the streets at night as white kid
that is part of why they took any money you earned or were sent and had have staff with you when use it IF you even get to use it
they didnt want some one saving money for bus or plane ticket home they did every thing they could to keep you from leaving
i was put in a motel becouse i didnt want to deal with nonsence of the 'program' i was here to get help with other things like getting to class on time etc
and then to be treated like a drug addict it was insulting becouse thats all they knew how to treat
where was all this money going? the people on staff other then higher ups were all AA NA trash
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Listen, just listen to what is said, who says it, and How they say it. seems to me tags like SUK IT ad RAVING MAD say it all. Got no use fer ya. not now, not ever. Did anyone? ever? J.O.M.
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Whooter what you dont know is Psy and know each other pretty well
and what he said is true i have no idea whats changed at SUWS its been a VERY long time almost 11 years this summer
now what i do know is what one gets from them unlike other place is dependent on who your working with SUWS groups when i was there were small 6 to 8 kids and 2 staff
and staff i had seemed to want to help and were every open about things later on
no the office staff is another matter but the people in the field i think what to help at lest then
M_Hilton, Didn’t someone yell at you, deny you food or force you to walk when you didn’t want to? If the answer was yes to any of these then you were abused. Were you not forced to build your own fire in order to eat? Did your parents ask you first before you were sent to SUWS? Or were you sent there against your will? Don’t you feel you were good enough to deserve basic human rights? Why do you cave in and say that SUWS helped you?
You just don’t realize it yet but you have been brain washed.
at SUWS
1. i was never yelled at ever
2. i was never denied food or water
3. kinda i did camping and hiking stuff befor that SUWS was a walk in the park for me from that point most kids that end up there have never been out of there state let alone done any real hiking lol Boy Scouts
4. was i asked no but its a long story the short ver is i was kicked out of another summer camp
and what did i get out of it
well to think things though all the way be for acting for one
bit of background i have been in the "special ed" system since i was 8 or so if you looked at my last 2 years of highschool be for and after SUWS you cant say it didnt do some thing
now Benchmark DID deny food
forced me to live in a piss hole motel
did nothing to help with my learning disabilities AFTER MUCH pleading to even get to take some classes
destroyed relationships with others that were proving to be positive for both parties
and here is one of all time favs
STOLE MONEY FROM STUDENTS
you might be asking how?
well on sink or swim as they call it one option is to get a job lol but you have use there office number as contact so gl ever getting any calls back
and lets say you do some how get a job some were Benchmark makes you turn over your paychecks to them maybe letting you keep 10 bucks out of it becouse you "might by drugs" RAGE
so as you see wile SUWS did fulfill some of what they say they would do Benchmark utterly misrepresented them selves will pissing away almost $35,000 a YEAR
35,000 to do what? pay 40 bucks a week for food and maybe that much for a motel room every thing else i did was on top of that you people say there NOT a scam i call BULL SHIT
But why wouldn’t posters on fornits come out and say there was a difference? I have always been curious as to why kids who went through a program (and were unsuccessful) always felt the need to be dishonest. Why not be honest like yourself and say SUWS helped me in some ways but Benchmark was a total scam. Why do some people have a need to be deceptive and say SUWS was abusive the same as Tranquility Bay was for example? Or to say that since Benchmark acted this way then SWS must be that same? They are in different parts of the country and have a total different function.
If you read the posts from people who attended them they are completely different yet people here have difficulty seeing the difference and place them in the same category.
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no idea i just call it like i see it
mind you i could see how SUWS looks bad to some and it has been over 10 years since i was there things COULD have changed SUWS is only as good as the field staff
and like i said the thing that catches most kids off guard at SUWS is the wilderness part being that that kinda stuff was some thing i liked doing at the time i loled at it
yes the food sucked but for backpacking like that i really wouldnt want to take much else and lets just say i cant eat oatmeal to this day >.<
but over all it did some good things mostly becouse i think i got good staff
thats not to say all the staff is that good maybe i lucked out
also wile there field staff is/was good i have questions about the motives of the office staff and pawning me off to another program after that which at the time my family got a 2nd opinion on and i went back to the highschool i had been in
here is another fun one for you all the Highschool was at for the most time was basicly a live at home program BUT again do to staff that cared was good
go look it up Hannah More School http://www.hannahmore.org/ (http://www.hannahmore.org/)
you want to run a program for kids THIS is what you should model it on do that + maybe house kids but thats my 2 cents
that reminds me Psy give them a call ask for a tour see what program that cares about its students can do
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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1. What was the location of the SUWS program?
Idaho
2. When were you enrolled in the SUWS program?
Summer of 99'
3. When did you graduate from the SUWS program?
summer of 99'
4. When did you wake up?
guess: ~7to8 local time
5. When did you go to sleep?
9 to 10 local time it was dark
6. Did you do daily chores? If so, what were they?
none really just write some do program work which was mostly wilderness firstresponder stuff its been a wile for got most of what it was
7. What time did you have breakfast, lunch and dinner?
8am some time around noon and when ever we made camp 6 7 pm ish
8. What did breakfast, lunch and dinner consist of?
oatmeal flatbread and peanutbutter , lentels and rice + bread again this is stuff you would take back packing weighs nothing and high calories and protein
9. When did you start hiking?
~9 am ish
10. How long were the hikes?
varied on were we could find a camp site ie water shade etc
11. How long were the breaks?
forget but wasnt an issue at the time iirc we took more on a few days it was very hot one day it 110 we didnt even hike that day
12. How many breaks did your group generally have each hike?
3 give or take
13. How many children per group?
6 - 8
14. How many staff per group?
2
15. Did staff restrain children?
nope
16. What restraint techniques were used?
n/a
17. Were children ever hurt during restraints? If so, were any taken to the hospital?
n/a
18. Were children given daily writing assignments? If so, what did they consist of?
yes for got what its been 10 years
19. Did you discuss the writing assignments with the group or one on one with staff?
yes
20. What did the group therapy process consist of? How long were they? Were they confrontational?
for got most of it but no
21. How often were children allowed to contact parents?
none once on trail but be for and after
22. How often did a therapist visit the group in the field?
every other day
23. How did you start fires?
flint and steel, bowdrill i had done this be for it was lol for me
24. What did you use for shelter?
Idaho summer uses a make shift bevi sack ie bedroll + a tarp works very well IF you build it right agian been there done that loled at teh cities kids
25. How heavy were your packs?
guess ~30 to 40 lb not bad
26. What did you use to cook meals with?
cans again some thing i had done be for so it wasnt like OMG WERE COOKING IN CANS lots of backpackers do that hell its in the BSA handbook
27. What were you allowed to have for clothing?
kackies t-shits
28. Were you taught how to read maps?
yup again done it be for
29. Were you taught how to use a compass?
yes and again i was REALLY good at it be for even going
i dont think SUWS knew what hit them when i went i knew most of the skills and the wilderness didnt effect me mostly i loled at the other kids till i could help them
give me a good map and a compass and im faster then a GPS
also my group did 150 miles id be hard pressed to repeat that now >.< im sooo out of shape
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I think the key issue here is the fact that M_Hilton seems to recognize that his experience is unique to him. At least that is the way I'm reading his posts. I hesitate to say this as it comes across as putting words in his mouth, but it seems to me he recognizes not only that his experience is unique to him, but that other people's experience could have and was a bad one.
I got over people saying, "This program treated me right!" a long time ago. M_Hilton, good show if you think SUWS went well for you. However, I hope you recognize that others have had a rough time with SUWS and that others have been abused while in SUWS's care.
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I think the key issue here is the fact that M_Hilton seems to recognize that his experience is unique to him. At least that is the way I'm reading his posts. I hesitate to say this as it comes across as putting words in his mouth, but it seems to me he recognizes not only that his experience is unique to him, but that other people's experience could have and was a bad one.
I got over people saying, "This program treated me right!" a long time ago. M_Hilton, good show if you think SUWS went well for you. However, I hope you recognize that others have had a rough time with SUWS and that others have been abused while in SUWS's care.
this 100% this
thats what im trying to say wile SOME can be ok the issue is consistency take my SUWS group which iirc every one made it and wile it had its ups and downs there were times it SUCKED
but i think it was SUWS that keep me going at benchmark if i could do that FUCK benchmark etc as soon as i saw what the game was there(benchmark) there was no way they were going to break me and thats why i think they put me in a motel so fast cant have the strong willed ones mucking about might give the others ideas
SUWS may have gone downhill since then its been 10 years and i always had my guesses about the upper staff when they tried said i should go some were else after
thats another story
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No worries, I gathered that is what you were trying to get across.
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PRIME EXAMPLE ABOVE ^^^^^^^ THIS IS WHY FORUMS FAIL. JUST ASK CHE. OR ACTUALLY DONT YOU WILL GET SOM FUCKING TWISTED INFORMATION.
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here this should make every one shit bricks
SUWS did good things for me OMG HE SAID A PROGRAM HELPED HIM
Benchmark was a total sham and needs to be shut down and does nothing but warehouse young adults to extort money from there families
let the flaming begin ::evil::
Psy your response wasnt very nice.
M_Hilton, Its sad reading your post and a sobering reminder that you will not get a welcoming response or discussion your post should encourage. Fronits has created such a deep seeded culture that people are afraid and defensive (like yourself) to say anything positive about their stay in a program.
You never hear anyone talk about a good friend they met or a staff/counselor who helped them for fear of being labeled as brainwashed or a programmie. Even the jews who were in concentration camps felt comfortable enough to speak openly and honestly and say they met some good people and fellow Germans who were willing to help and changed their lives for the better.Instead of getting acknowledgement for your feelings you get a pat on the back and they say: “I honestly believe you must feel that way” Like it is all in your mind and because we believe that you are not a liar you must be having an off day to say something like that.. However, if you are up for it I can show you kids who were hurt by SUWS so you should reconsider what you are saying. If you don’t reconsider I can show you some posts where kids we abused and killed. Then you will reconsider what you are saying I am sure, because you are a sensible person.
M_Hilton, Didn’t someone yell at you, deny you food or force you to walk when you didn’t want to? If the answer was yes to any of these then you were abused. Were you not forced to build your own fire in order to eat? Did your parents ask you first before you were sent to SUWS? Or were you sent there against your will? Don’t you feel you were good enough to deserve basic human rights? Why do you cave in and say that SUWS helped you?
You just don’t realize it yet but you have been brain washed.
It would be nice to be able to talk openly about programs without being afraid that if you said something nice like : “I met a good friend” or “The staff treated me okay” you would be labeled. Its too bad that fornits has created a culture which puts so much pressure on posters to just talk about the negative side of programs.
Can that be changed?
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Do you really mean it?
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Yes. Yes he does.
I usually scroll past his posts, but that's really how he thinks.
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You never hear anyone talk about a good friend they met or a staff/counselor who helped them for fear of being labeled as brainwashed or a programmie. Even the jews who were in concentration camps felt comfortable enough to speak openly and honestly and say they met some good people and fellow Germans who were willing to help and changed their lives for the better.Instead of getting acknowledgement for your feelings you get a pat on the back and they say: “I honestly believe you must feel that way” Like it is all in your mind and because we believe that you are not a liar you must be having an off day to say something like that.. However, if you are up for it I can show you kids who were hurt by SUWS so you should reconsider what you are saying. If you don’t reconsider I can show you some posts where kids we abused and killed. Then you will reconsider what you are saying I am sure, because you are a sensible person.
Do you really mean it?
Yes. Yes he does.
I usually scroll past his posts, but that's really how he thinks.
And yet he has a veritable fit when you post an historical photograph showing IBM involvement with data management of the holocaust (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30400&p=362285#p362285). Oh, the efficiency and precision of those customized punch cards!
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And yet he has a veritable fit when you post an historical photograph showing IBM involvement with data management of the holocaust (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30400&p=362285#p362285). Oh, the efficiency and precision of those customized punch cards!
In the context of the discussion. We were discussing the Prediction Software which IBM developed and the State of Florida had purchased. Your posting of the 1937 photo of IBM was used in an attempt to discredit IBM and their present software. Reading back I don’t see having a fit over it. I was just surprised and thought you were smarter than that. Every large Company which did business internationally was doing business with Germany (not just IBM). They were a huge emerging Economy and Hitler was a seen as a hero at that time for his turning around of the country. Many large companies were doing business in Iraq when Saddam was in power and with Iran also.
There is a photo of Obama shaking hands with Hugo Chavez. If Hugo Chavez continues to suppress his people in Venezuela and continues on with his human rights violations the handshake could be used by some people (like yourself) to try to make Obama seem like he approves of Chavez’s actions.
(http://http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LD_Ah5tLKV8/SepfiY4-HpI/AAAAAAAABwE/hZyb3O8So3o/s400/Obama_Chavez_Book_55.jpg)
It would just be deceiving, thats all.
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If Hugo Chavez continues to suppress his people
:rofl: :rofl:
Sorry, couldn't resist. :seg:
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But why wouldn’t posters on fornits come out and say there was a difference?
We have, and also explained why that doesn't matter. Rewind a few pages.
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:shamrock: :shamrock:
Not to be on anybodys side here, Psy or Che is everyone were talking about here 18 or older. Can they leave if they want to. Just asking not judging anything, don't have enough information. I have read what psy has said over time, no it is not my experience/story of programs yet I have learned everyone has there own and they are just as painful as the next.
I think outside of some who post here just to be a jerk, some folks have had it so bad in (treatment centers) they have a hard time identifying with psy, not that you should care or have to defend yourself. They see where supposedly you could leave psy and people just are dumbfounded. They say,"we could not escape." Now I say supposedly because of the peer pressure intimidation and maybe parents did not necessarily want you back at the time you wanted to go back.
People be open minded.
Danny
A prison with out walls is still a prison
sure we could just leave but were are we going to go? have you been to Redlands CA or worse Yucipa or San Bernadino? not a place you want to be walking the streets at night as white kid
that is part of why they took any money you earned or were sent and had have staff with you when use it IF you even get to use it
they didnt want some one saving money for bus or plane ticket home they did every thing they could to keep you from leaving
i was put in a motel becouse i didnt want to deal with nonsence of the 'program' i was here to get help with other things like getting to class on time etc
and then to be treated like a drug addict it was insulting becouse thats all they knew how to treat
where was all this money going? the people on staff other then higher ups were all AA NA trash
:shamrock: :shamrock:
M. Hilton spoke:
A prison with out walls is still a prison
sure we could just leave but were are we going to go? have you been to Redlands CA or worse Yucipa or San Bernadino? not a place you want to be walking the streets at night as white kid
that is part of why they took any money you earned or were sent and had have staff with you when use it IF you even get to use it
they didnt want some one saving money for bus or plane ticket home they did every thing they could to keep you from leaving
i was put in a motel becouse i didnt want to deal with nonsence of the 'program' i was here to get help with other things like getting to class on time etc
and then to be treated like a drug addict it was insulting becouse thats all they knew how to treat.
Danny spoke:
I am not going to argue any of this. You have my heartfelt empathy for your experience.
M. Hilton spoke:
"where was all this money going? the people on staff other then higher ups were all AA NA trash
Danny spoke:
Speaks volumes on the vomiting, hatred, anger, bias, and more negative comments spoken about AA and NA.
Like I said a while ago prejudices are hurtful not only to yourself but to others.
I will say this, folks need to know where the hostility comes from concerning AA and NA.
Thanks for the info M. Hilton.
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But why wouldn’t posters on fornits come out and say there was a difference?
We have, and also explained why that doesn't matter. Rewind a few pages.
I think it matters to the readers. It is refreshing reading a totally unfiltered story from someone like M_Hilton. He had a great experience at SUWS. Others may not have had a good experience, but that is no reason to withhold it. None of us can ever be sure if a program is going to be good or not. The same applies to public schools or any institution in which kids go to. It could be considered safe one day and then a child could be abused or raped the next.
I think accounts like his show that these programs (process) can be very helpful and if they can do a better job regulating their people then each child can have a more consistent experience.
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Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
An open discussion about the troubled parent industry
That is our title if I am correct. Stop trying to dominate the web with negative feedback, it is open to all kinds of feedback.
Please......"An open discussion".
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Stop trying to dominate the web with negative feedback,
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Stop trying to dominate the web with negative feedback,
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Quizzical Dog, com'on you know what I am talking about. Anne, beautiful German Shepard though. Love those doggies.
Danny
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I don't think you'll get the response you're looking for. I know you and I know you to be an honest person. If you feel SUWS helped you, I honestly believe you feel that way. It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown.
It's hard to get any more arrogant and condescending than that! But welcome to fornits, land of the double standard. If you post the most outrageous stories of abuse you will be instantly believed without a shred of evidence, and because you have the moral high ground this means you can smear people and post their names, pictures addresses and threats online. Great! But suggest that a program might be helpful? Be prepared to provide "proof", since the "burden is on you". Be prepared to be talked down to, as if you're an idiot incapable of knowing what happened to yourself as exampled in the above quote.
"I honestly believe you feel that way". Translation: You are full of shit, but you are ignorant and dumb enough to believe this I will respect it, but will not concede that it is truth, only your warped version of it (due to brainwashing most likely or ignorance of the subtleties of all the fornits defined forms of "abuse")
" It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown."
Translation: If 1 out of 10,000 say they were abused, then the program is forever tainted and all good reports dismissed. One kid complaining about being in a program is too many. Therefore, even if YOU had a good experience, someone else might not have so you must concede that they are therefore not safe and please shut up and don't say it's good.
You got to hand it to these fornits losers. They put some serious effort in constructing logical arguments that at first appear to almost make sense, but quickly fall apart under further scrutiny. In the end they use bully tactics to pressure the weaker of their members to tow the party line, and the intellectual leaders like Psy can worry about constructing page long explanations on why an 18 year old who signs themselves into a state regulated rehab center can be considered a victim of other people's decisions.
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I don't think you'll get the response you're looking for. I know you and I know you to be an honest person. If you feel SUWS helped you, I honestly believe you feel that way. It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown.
It's hard to get any more arrogant and condescending than that! But welcome to fornits, land of the double standard. If you post the most outrageous stories of abuse you will be instantly believed without a shred of evidence, and because you have the moral high ground this means you can smear people and post their names, pictures addresses and threats online. Great!
But suggest that a program might be helpful? Be prepared to provide "proof", since the "burden is on you". Be prepared to be talked down to, as if you're an idiot incapable of knowing what happened to yourself as exampled in the above quote.
"I honestly believe you feel that way". Translation: You are full of shit, but you are ignorant and dumb enough to believe this I will respect it, but will not concede that it is truth, only your warped version of it (due to brainwashing most likely or ignorance of the subtleties of all the fornits defined forms of "abuse")
" It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown."
Translation: If 1 out of 10,000 say they were abused, then the program is forever tainted and all good reports dismissed. One kid complaining about being in a program is too many. Therefore, even if YOU had a good experience, someone else might not have so you must concede that they are therefore not safe and please shut up and don't say it's good.
You got to hand it to these fornits losers. They put some serious effort in constructing logical arguments that at first appear to almost make sense, but quickly fall apart under further scrutiny. In the end they use bully tactics to pressure the weaker of their members to tow the party line, and the intellectual leaders like Psy can worry about constructing page long explanations on why an 18 year old who signs themselves into a state regulated rehab center can be considered a victim of other people's decisions.
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Who is this poster, I do not like these poster names. Who are you "Suck It" own your posts you creative sonofabitch. I would like to know who this confrontational writer is. You have information here that you must lets us have. Please outside of blasting Psy, Ursus and Anne what else is in your creative mind that you want to say about this TTI. I hope all of this intelligent communication skill is not just being wasted on those three or four, please tell me you have more to say then that.
Where have you been (TC), what is going on inside of you, what brought you here, why are you here. You don't have to answer of course but I have been reading your posts and you appear to be intelligent so I wanted to know more about you. What is motivating you.
Your very outspoken.....why????????
I am not the enemy, I like your.......don't know, just like it.
Danny
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Anti Troll Society
We are assembling a legal team to sue SUCK IT in small claims court for defamation of character. He/She/It/Sharon M McCarthy multiple personalities has verbally abused highly regarded people for the purpose of furthering their behavior modification agenda. The said person, SUCK IT et al., hereby referred to as "under cover TTI agent." Speak no more to him, and donate funds for the Anti Troll legal team.
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I don't think you'll get the response you're looking for. I know you and I know you to be an honest person. If you feel SUWS helped you, I honestly believe you feel that way. It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown.
It's hard to get any more arrogant and condescending than that! But welcome to fornits, land of the double standard. If you post the most outrageous stories of abuse you will be instantly believed without a shred of evidence, and because you have the moral high ground this means you can smear people and post their names, pictures addresses and threats online. Great! But suggest that a program might be helpful? Be prepared to provide "proof", since the "burden is on you". Be prepared to be talked down to, as if you're an idiot incapable of knowing what happened to yourself as exampled in the above quote.
"I honestly believe you feel that way". Translation: You are full of shit, but you are ignorant and dumb enough to believe this I will respect it, but will not concede that it is truth, only your warped version of it (due to brainwashing most likely or ignorance of the subtleties of all the fornits defined forms of "abuse")
" It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown."
Translation: If 1 out of 10,000 say they were abused, then the program is forever tainted and all good reports dismissed. One kid complaining about being in a program is too many. Therefore, even if YOU had a good experience, someone else might not have so you must concede that they are therefore not safe and please shut up and don't say it's good.
You got to hand it to these fornits losers. They put some serious effort in constructing logical arguments that at first appear to almost make sense, but quickly fall apart under further scrutiny. In the end they use bully tactics to pressure the weaker of their members to tow the party line, and the intellectual leaders like Psy can worry about constructing page long explanations on why an 18 year old who signs themselves into a state regulated rehab center can be considered a victim of other people's decisions.
way to take me out of context
and why would some one that maybe has 5 alcoholic drinks a year and never touched any kind of "illegal" drug sign them selves in to rehab Hmmmm
maybe becouse they advertised them selves as some thing ELSE IMAGE THAT
my issue is the why they run them selves craptastic staff with little to no training or education
and then insane costs that for what? pay some one to feed your kid once a week
and heres the thing if say benchmark was a state regulated rehab were is the license? why were they calling them selves a "school"? why did they advertise to treat ADD ADHD and other metal health issues when in reality all they are is "rehab" sounds illegal to me
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way to take me out of context
and why would some one that maybe has 5 alcoholic drinks a year and never touched any kind of "illegal" drug sign them selves in to rehab Hmmmm
maybe becouse they advertised them selves as some thing ELSE IMAGE THAT
my issue is the why they run them selves craptastic staff with little to no training or education
and then insane costs that for what? pay some one to feed your kid once a week
and heres the thing if say benchmark was a state regulated rehab were is the license? why were they calling them selves a "school"? why did they advertise to treat ADD ADHD and other metal health issues when in reality all they are is "rehab" sounds illegal to me
I have no idea why someone who has 5 drinks and no drug problem would sign themselves into a treatment center. Would you care to elaborate why someone would do that? As a legal adult in the US at the age of 18 you can do whatever you want. You can join the military, you can go to college, you can get a job, you can live in your car and travel with friends and go to concerts. The point is as an adult the choice is yours, unless you were convicted of a crime and put in jail !
If you decided to sign yourself into a treatment center for ADD and ADHD then who are the people offering to help to say no? You are an adult, supposedly capable of making your own decisions. Should they have denied you and Psy entry into treatment because they think you wouldn't benefit? Those choices were yours to make not other people's decisions, that is the essence of being an adult.
If it was so bad you could have left, right? A treatment center with voluntary patients is not a prison no matter how you want to look at it. Obviously living in a free motel room and having a job and food is better than entering the real world and doing what millions of kids have to do when they reach 18 or get kicked out of their house, or you would have left. If you feel like you wasted your money then that's fine, but why claim it is abusive when it obviously is not? Abuse is a legal term and there are legal consequences for people who actually commit abuse. Watering down this term on fornits like others do benefits nobody. If you don't mind answering, who paid for your treatment? I know not everyone is lucky enough to have uncle sam pick up the bill like in Psy's case.
Psy knows he wasn't abused, but he makes a hobby out of attempting to redefine the term "abuse" to fit into his warped version of reality. It's clear you were not abused either from what you are saying. You might not have liked the particular treatment center you signed up for (not everyone can go to resort treatment in Malibu), you can say it wasn't necessary at all... but who is to blame for that? In this case, as adults who signed themselves into treatment and could have walked at any time, the blame lies only with yourselves.
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you DO know Psy and my self were at the same place at the same time in rooms next to each other RIGHT you still dont get it do you
they said they were one thing then AFTER you do the paper work they pull the bate and switch
right im just going to leave with no ID no money and no were to go
and it was ANY THING but free it cost me 35,000 a YEAR of MY MONEY that i could of used for some thing else
i went there becouse they said they would help with collage work but after getting there and going along with the plan for a week or so i saw what was really going on it wasnt a what they said they were
even the judge in Psys lawsuit said benchmark wasnt really a school and caught them in there lie one moment its a school the next a program the next a "treatment center"
but lets not cloud the argument with facts
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M_Hilton, that's normally how the anti-psy trolls roll, cloud the facts with nonsense till they absolutely believe that they've gotten everyone convinced they are right. What actually happens is people just get tired of arguing with them and take their serious work to private message.