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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: str8h8er on August 26, 2007, 11:48:12 AM
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And do not know how to obtain it.
I was in Straight (Springfield VA) from 1985-1986. I want my medical records. Everytime I inquire as to where I can obtain them, I run into a brick wall. I spoke to a guy name Willy Williams in Fairfax County who told me my records were destroyed in 1996. If Straight was under fire, why would any medical records be destroyed.
I recently found out that my stay at Straight was funded through a grant given by the Dept of Mental Health and Substance abuse.
Wouldn't they have information? Perhaps I am just chasing my tail.
I just need some leads. Any ideas?
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And do not know how to obtain it.
I was in Straight (Springfield VA) from 1985-1986. I wasnt my medical records. Everytime I inquire as to where I can obtain them, I run into a brick wall. I spoke to a guy name Willy Williams in Fairfax County who told me my records were destroyed in 1996. If Straight was under fire, why would any medical records be destroyed.
I recently found out that my stay at Straight was funded through a grant given by the Dept of Mental Health and Substance abuse.
Wouldn't they have information? Perhaps I am just chasing my tail.
I just need some leads. Any ideas?
unfortunately our records are next to impossible to obtain
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I've never known anyone that's been successful in getting them. Good luck though, there's got to be something around somewhere about a few of us, wouldn't ya think?
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How do your records just disappear? Are we talking medical records or records from Straight?
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Yep. There are a lot of us who tried to get them. We were told various versions of essentially the same thing. We shredded 'em. You ain't getting 'em.
I think that's why Rich was breaking into the building in the first place. He was trying to get his.
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It is so frustrating. It's just more bullshit. It never ends does it?
In my case, I thought that since the funding came from the State of Virginina, then there would be some record of me somewhere.
I was wondering if there was anyone else who received "allocated grants" from the state for their stay at Straight?
I have a hard time believing that records were allowed to be destroyed considering the issues surrounding Straight.
I wonder why all medical records off all "Straightlings" were not examined prior to anything being destroyed.
I'm pissed. Again and again. :flame:
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:idea: One idea would be to contact Dr. Schwartz. He's still practicing in Vienna VA and was listed on the DFAF forum along with Newton a couple years ago. I received a letter back in the mid 80's from him requesting that I fill out a questionnaire. I never did, but I still have that letter. He had LOTS of names of kids on it that he was looking to find out who was where with their programs, etc... Like maybe he has this shit in his basement or something... hmmm, let me know what you find out...
Oh, and I contacted the mental health/retardation agency in Richmond also a couple years ago, sent FOIA requests etc... they claim there's nothing in their files about straight inc. After 10 years the records are marked for destruction. I was looking for some things about Dr. Riddile who went to Congress and plugged the program in 1983, as I sat on front row there in GULAG5515.
PM Rusty Goat if you want some contact/networking info... I 've got some stuff you might find useful...
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:idea: One idea would be to contact Dr. Schwartz. He's still practicing in Vienna VA and was listed on the DFAF forum along with Newton a couple years ago. I received a letter back in the mid 80's from him requesting that I fill out a questionnaire. I never did, but I still have that letter. He had LOTS of names of kids on it that he was looking to find out who was where with their programs, etc... Like maybe he has this shit in his basement or something... hmmm, let me know what you find out...
Oh, and I contacted the mental health/retardation agency in Richmond also a couple years ago, sent FOIA requests etc... they claim there's nothing in their files about straight inc. After 10 years the records are marked for destruction. I was looking for some things about Dr. Riddile who went to Congress and plugged the program in 1983, as I sat on front row there in GULAG5515.
PM Rusty Goat if you want some contact/networking info... I 've got some stuff you might find useful...
Dr. Schwartz, the evil man that he is, is on the board of DFAFs Global Drug Policy BS
http://www.globaldrugpolicy.org/aboutus.php (http://www.globaldrugpolicy.org/aboutus.php)
and still working with Inova Hospital for Children how lovely, he's helping the children! Fucker. (Dr schwartz, not you lol)
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Dr. Schwartz kind of looks like what I imagine the Jerky Boys character "Sol Rosenberg" to look like. He always wore those really thick-framed glasses, and had that dark, wavy hair.
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There is videotape of these records having been abandoned-- either from VA or MD Straight, I can't remember which.
It was done, as I recall, by a Florida TV station in response to Richard Bradbury's efforts at exposing Straight after some runaways came directly to him. The tape showed boxes of abandoned, clearly medical records in an empty building. As I recall, the reporter expressed outrage that this private information was simply left for anyone to find it.
I imagine the next stop for it was the dump. The tape gave the impression that people had left the building as though someone-- police? regulators?-- had been chasing them and hadn't been able to dispose of the records properly.
If this is the Straight you were at, I do not think you will be able to get the records even if they now wanted to give them to you.
To the person who posted about having a copy of a letter from Dr. Schwartz, would it be possible for you to PM me? I would love to see a copy of that.
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It is so frustrating. It's just more bullshit. It never ends does it?
In my case, I thought that since the funding came from the State of Virginina, then there would be some record of me somewhere.
I was wondering if there was anyone else who received "allocated grants" from the state for their stay at Straight?
I have a hard time believing that records were allowed to be destroyed considering the issues surrounding Straight.
I wonder why all medical records off all "Straightlings" were not examined prior to anything being destroyed.
I'm pissed. Again and again. :flame:
That was probably the point of shredding, so those records could never be examined. Why on eath would Straight want to leave behing a paper trail to document their endless misdeeds, crimes, etc?
Oh but the shit gets deeper. I know for a fact some former staff members took client records with them (also stuff like COC's, letters, etc) when they left staff. I know a person that sifted through a box of these docs but unfortunately it was years ago and access to these docs are impossible now.
Also, you would think the police department (where I was kidnapped by Straight) would have my records since there are public record and I was an adult at the time. But no, I have been given the run around every time I call the police dept, have been sent on a wild goose chase (I suspect deliberately) to the historical society, where I was told the police were "telling me a story", their words not mine.
There is nothing but shadiness surrounding the whereabouts/destruction of our records.
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I've heard rumors that there is a facility in MD where all the Springfield records are kept. I don't know if that is the case or not.
I've recently been looking for the same thing. I emailed the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, which is a national organization. I will let you know if I hear back from them.
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That was probably the point of shredding, so those records could never be examined. Why on eath would Straight want to leave behing a paper trail to document their endless misdeeds, crimes, etc?
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They learned from their role models in the Third Reich. They didn't want a bunch of embarrassing paper trails that would reveal their complicity in the systematic child abuse that was Straight, Inc.
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It is so frustrating. It's just more bullshit. It never ends does it?
In my case, I thought that since the funding came from the State of Virginina, then there would be some record of me somewhere.
I was wondering if there was anyone else who received "allocated grants" from the state for their stay at Straight?
I have a hard time believing that records were allowed to be destroyed considering the issues surrounding Straight.
I wonder why all medical records off all "Straightlings" were not examined prior to anything being destroyed.
I'm pissed. Again and again. :flame:
My thinking is this:
If ye were court ordered by the state of virginia to go to straight or somehow sent by the state, then ye would have to go to the courthouse and request your juvenile records. I requested mine successfully, and found out quite a few things that I had been wondering for years. Ye would need to bring your id with you etc...
they may not have medical records on you unless ye were locked up in a state facility such as juvie etc..
good luck to ye
-DP
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This sounds very much like what I understand happened in Dallas. One day everyone just left. I knew some ex-staffers that went up to the building and just went right in and saw everything just sitting there. Computers, furniture, paperwork...everything. They said they trashed alot of stuff, literally vandalized. After that, I suspect it was all just hauled off to the dump.
Whats creepy to me is that it was shut down by the state I believe on either licensing grounds or abuse claims or both sort of mashed together, and nothing was confiscated. I know the state was interviewing clients for a long period asking about abusive conditions. I was an interviewee myself. I am curious about whether or not they brought the client records with them from California when they shipped all those kids over....or if they just abandoned that stuff too.
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I actually have my file. I took it when I was on staff. It really does not say anything out of the ordinary regarding treatment plans. I haven't read it in several years. There are a few times that I saw Dr. Schwartz that I remember but it doesn't say anything in there about it, from what I can read of his hand writting. The write ups from the exec's, again from what I can read, are very vague at best. There was nothing in there about the Fairfax County LCSW that I was court ordered to see twice a week (could be why everything in my personal file is so vague - in case the state wanted to review it). It did mention that I was on suicide watch which I totaly forgot about as did my parents (which was total BS - my oldcomer said that sometimes she has "irrational thoughts" about killing herself and asked me if I could relate - next thing I knew I was getting 15 min. of sleep for ever one hour I was awake). Anyway, point is that I didn't see (or don't recall seeing) anything that would make someone say OMG.
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yeah, BULLSHIT program generates BULLSHIT paperwork. All the more reason to get a copy, nowutimean? Irrational? HELL YEAH!!!!!! That whole program IS irrational!!!!!!! :rofl:
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So in your file you say there was not much of any "pertinant" information. What about your intake records? Were those included in your file?
Let me ask you this, although I probably already know the answer...Where you administered a drug test prior to being admitted to the program? Was their a record of that?
My mother tells me that they advised her I tested positive for drugs at my intake. BULLSHIt. Although, skeezin bitch may be lying about that too.
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Thanks DP for the info.
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So in your file you say there was not much of any "pertinant" information. What about your intake records? Were those included in your file?
Let me ask you this, although I probably already know the answer...Where you administered a drug test prior to being admitted to the program? Was their a record of that?
My mother tells me that they advised her I tested positive for drugs at my intake. BULLSHIt. Although, skeezin bitch may be lying about that too.
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Yes, my intake records were there - the one that the two 3rd phasers wrote up. Was I given a drug test prior to intake - no, but my parrents had it on tape that I was tripping the night before they locked me up. I was given a test after being in there for about 2 mo, and guess what - I'm not an alcoholic per the test. But then they were able to get away with this crap because they were a "family treatment center" not a drug rehab.
When I said that there was no pertinant information - I was refering to information about the abuse. If you would like to see what is in a client file, I would be more then happy to show you mine. It would not provide you the information that you are looking for, but perhaps it would spark something that might help.
Don't misunderstand me. I am not proud of the person that I was when I was on staff, nor am I condoning what straight did or was all about. I'm was in straight with you, though I'm not sure that I know who you are. I remember there were a couple of 12 yr olds in there when I was in, but gone once I was on staff. I did pull one of their files and it did state in there that they did not have a drug problem.
I don't think that the frustration or anger will ever go away. We were wronged and abused and no one is held accountable.
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I feel like I am beating a dead horse. But this is the first time that I have ever been able to talk about Straight, my experiences and others with out people telling me and looking at me like I'm nuts.
I want to know it all and I can't and that it what's really pissing me off. I would like to see those Documents. Curiosity is killing me. I don't even know what I am looking for.
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I feel like I am beating a dead horse. But this is the first time that I have ever been able to talk about Straight, my experiences and others with out people telling me and looking at me like I'm nuts.
I want to know it all and I can't and that it what's really pissing me off. I would like to see those Documents. Curiosity is killing me. I don't even know what I am looking for.
I think many can identify with you
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Do you remember the persons name of the 12 year old? Or if they were male of female? Where were they from, etc?
I know it was years ago. If your memory is like mine, you probably won't remember. But any information would be better then nothing.
Thank you for your posts!!!
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IT really didnt say shit there was no treatment plan it gave dates of shit like intake,2nd phase,when I went to school mundane horseshit really....nothing that addressed any real issues........I think there was something about being put in time out for throwing food at some bitch-ass-girl (Belinda or MELINDA something) when I was on 1st phase ,no suprises,and nothing in detail.
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First off, forgive me for being a dumb ass and asking dumb ass questions, but
because I was one of "dem needy kids" and received a grant/state funds, how was Straight able to collect my grant/fund money without clear, concise documentation.
Correct me if I am wrong, wouldn't the state require well documented treatement notes for one of their "needy kids", if using state funds?
There has to be a record some fucken where about me. About all of us.
I am also wondering if you get resistance from your parents when you ask for details regarding Straight?
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Total resistance. I've been kicked out repeatedly for bringing it up. They still believe I failed at graduating, because of my profuse refusal to participate in the abuse of other humans. Straight finally asked my parents to remove me, since I never left 1st phase or rightfully "earned talk" in the 6.5 months I was there. I failed at Straight, kinda an interesting concept I must live with from my family.
GAWD, I can not wait to get away from this small left over straight cult family that is my parents and the "compliant child" and her children. Scary part is, they are raising my niece and nephew to be straightlings! FREAKS><
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Do you remember the persons name of the 12 year old? Or if they were male of female? Where were they from, etc?
I know it was years ago. If your memory is like mine, you probably won't remember. But any information would be better then nothing.
Thank you for your posts!!!
There were two 12 yr olds when I was there - one was a guy, the other was a girl. She was a sibling and if I remember correctly (which sometimes I don't - there has been a lot I forgot, some on purpose) it came out in a sibling rap that she had smoked pot w/her older brother and did mushrooms once. She would get confronted regularly because that was the only drugs that she did and must have been BS because no one goes from smoking pot once to doing shrooms. I cannot remember if she graduated - I think she did.
I don't remember much about the 12 yr old guy that was in though. I can barely picture his face - I think he had brown curly hair. That's as much as I can remember about him.
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All you must do is contact us and we will be happy to share the documents with you.
We will also be happy to have a phone conversation to answer any questions you have to get you on your way to understanding the truth and lies behind what happened to you.
Here is all you must do
email go to fornits.com or email ginger from this page.
Tell her who you are, which program you were in, she will then give you the email to one of the SOS group members Marti has already given ginger permission to release her email to you if you in fact are a survivor.
There is a small group of five to seven survivors who continue to obtain documents from various sources. they do not make very well known for obvious reasons.
This group over the years has massed thousands of documents that from what i understand are located in three storage facilities across the US.
The first effort in going through these documents and organize the several hundred on hand to start with was done through ISAC who agreed to pay for and produce the first of the reports.
The most recent document was revealed in the discovery channel program behavior modification inwhich Dick Chaney was revealed to have had a hand in this process from almost the begining. This sheds new light on the focus of the SOS investigation which will now focus on the true behind the scene individuals who funded such places.
Its long been thought that Robert Dupont simply left NIDA SOS has found that not to be the truth.
The discovery channel document proves that this was not the case.
The other documents including handwritten letters and notes by Betty Sembler and DFAF internal documents can not be realeased until the attorneys for SOS agree to do that.
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I am searching for ginger's e-mail, as I am a presistent KHK survivor and I am dying to talk to her. I have been doing copious amounts of research, and would love any help on my project. If anyone knows her e-mail, please let me know.
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Private message her. Click the "PM" icon on her profile. She'll get it.
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She's Scarlet Chicklet by the way