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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 03:07:45 PM
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i say i think because i dont know what the legal definition of abuse is. i was kept against my will with no due process and they didnt let me leave until i was an adult. there was nothing you could do to get out unless you killed yourself which some people were trying to do a lot. there were no judges or police there only local employees so it was all private and even the local authorities didn't seem to care. i dont think anybody cared???????
so now its a couple years later and i find this site and i find out i am not the only one angry about this. so tell me please what can i do?????
can i call someone or write a letter to someone and have this issue taken care of? afterall we live in the greatest country in the history of the planet, the united states of america, the country of lincoln and roosevelt so this sort of treatment seems like it should be illegal?
i was kept against my will for a little over a year. it didn't help me with the problems i was supposed to be getting help from. i went in after my family found out i was smoking dope and hanging around the wrong crowd. i got arrested plenty of times after it but not before. so the police didnt know about me how could i end up in jail without a trial like in law and order show?
please explain to me what you have found out because i am confused who i need to contact to get some kind of money payout or get some people put in jail. also tell me what the legal definition of abuse is, i dont want to say i was abuse if i really wasnt. they didnt walk around hitting us out of anger it was much more subtle and systematic than that. i feel like a part of me is still there. so help me if you can i would appreciate it.
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what program is it?
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Abuse has a very broad definition and can be classified into such categories as:
Physical abuse
Sexual abuse
Verbal Abuse
Emotional abuse
Psychological abuse
Then child abuse which has its own subset.
If you feel uncomfortable about what happened to you, during your stay, you should talk to someone about it.
As far as being forced to go to school or attend a program there is very little you can do about it until you are of age and as long as your parents gave permission.
If kids feel they would be better off on their own they can get emanipated at an earlier age than the legal 18/21.
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we need a little more info
was there physical restraining there or a humongous amount of Negative reinforcement
did the staff use verbally abusive tactics
were they not friendly at all?
but holding one against their will when their not of age is legal though
but I think it is inhumane and unjust.
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listen im not here to be interviewed i left out the name for a reason. what i need is phone numbers and names and contact information on who i need to get in contact with to get something done quickly.
i am really need of some money right now but if i can't get that the program staff and owner in jail will be fine to. so no more questions to me please, i need answers and thats it. you have some answers? great , post them here.
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Abuse has a very broad definition and can be classified into such categories as:
Physical abuse
Sexual abuse
Verbal Abuse
Emotional abuse
Psychological abuse
Then child abuse which has its own subset.
If you feel uncomfortable about what happened to you, during your stay, you should talk to someone about it.
As far as being forced to go to school or attend a program there is very little you can do about it until you are of age and as long as your parents gave permission.
If kids feel they would be better off on their own they can get emanipated at an earlier age than the legal 18/21.
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By you coming around here Who spreading your lies about programs being good, you are being Verbally abusive, Emotionally abusive, and Psychologically abusive[/color]
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sorry if i came off harsh but im stressing bigtime here. im frustrated because ive been around in circles with school counselors in the past and ive talked to every important person who would listen, wrote letters to so many people and nothing more than some token sympathy ever resulted. you can trace my shitty financial situation right back to the program when i had to walk out with nothing after i was an adult and all i want is a little help because i am going to be kicked out of the room i rent at the end of this week and i dont get paid until the end of the month since its a new job.
i cant be living on the street and trying to go into work everyday.
i dont own a car and i have a golden retriever to take care of because i love dogs i got one. so at this point i come off harsh because i need someones phone number who will be sympathetic but also put the money where their sympathy is. i have worked hard since i had to walk out of a program but that hasnt been enough i guess. i never thought it would happen to me to be a bum but here i am, freaking out and not sure what to do. again please please please help if you can, is there some kind of fund or government program that helps people who need it?
my family "cut me off" years ago when i didnt want to stay and graduate the program and so i cant go to them because i havent talked to them in years and it would prove them right , and they would savor seeing me in desperate need of their help and i cant give them that satisfaction, do you undertstand this? i know some of you might. i am not asking you for money because i will live on a friends couch or pitch a tent in a park if i need to i am not ashamed.
i was just hoping there is some kind of help somewhere i can get mostly because i am afraid once i am on the street it will be hard to get back to where i am at because i did it before and it took several yeras to get back to normal and all that. thanks for listening at least sorry for being rude i am just streessed to the point i am seriously considering killing myself (not saying that to offend anyone just how i feel) but the reason i dont is because my dog likes me so much, he would be heartbroken. names phone numbers and any poor people programs that you know about? pleeeeeaseeeee?! with sugar on top????? :)
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Abuse has a very broad definition and can be classified into such categories as:
Physical abuse
Sexual abuse
Verbal Abuse
Emotional abuse
Psychological abuse
Then child abuse which has its own subset.
If you feel uncomfortable about what happened to you, during your stay, you should talk to someone about it.
As far as being forced to go to school or attend a program there is very little you can do about it until you are of age and as long as your parents gave permission.
If kids feel they would be better off on their own they can get emanipated at an earlier age than the legal 18/21.
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By you coming around here Who spreading your lies about programs being good, you are being Verbally abusive, Emotionally abusive, and Psychologically abusive[/color]
See this is why we need to be very careful in believing what we read here specifically when we read about kids saying they have been abused.
This reinforces the need to question the person when they say they have been abused because each person has their own definition (like the poster above who posted as "Abused").
I personally dont think reading information (good or bad, truthful or not) is considered abusive and constitutes legal recourse, but this poster does and I would question him/her if they claimed they were abused in a program simply on the basis of their definition of the word abuse.
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If we don't know where you are or where your program is we can't really help you. There isn't any national level authority about this.
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listen im not looking for your help all i need is information and thats it. keep your checkbook in your pocket because thats not what i am asking for. someone telling me how to get monney from being abused in a program, why does it matter which programs i was at anyway. why am i going to announce to a program that i am trying to get money from them, what sense would that make,.
what i need is some information on people who got money from being abused ina program. i want to know what is legally abuse so i can get money i won't be making a fool of myself. i think these are questions that can be answered. if you also know of any ideas for people with no money or place to live that would help to.
i think you think i am still in a program i got out a few years ago i am a free person even though i was kind fo forced into rehab recently but thats another story. programs read this stuff and i dont want to give them early warning i am coming after them. like i said if i cant get money i wont cry, but as a second prize why not try to get them put in jail. what is abuse so oi can call the police, these are questions i need anwered. hell if i have to live on the street i will make their lives as diffiicult as mine too, why not right what are they going to do, sue me and take my dog ??where am i now? i am in san jose california, are you around here and want to let me sleep on your couch?? :)
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Abuse has a very broad definition and can be classified into such categories as:
Physical abuse
Sexual abuse
Verbal Abuse
Emotional abuse
Psychological abuse
Then child abuse which has its own subset.
If you feel uncomfortable about what happened to you, during your stay, you should talk to someone about it.
As far as being forced to go to school or attend a program there is very little you can do about it until you are of age and as long as your parents gave permission.
If kids feel they would be better off on their own they can get emanipated at an earlier age than the legal 18/21.
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By you coming around here Who spreading your lies about programs being good, you are being Verbally abusive, Emotionally abusive, and Psychologically abusive[/color]
See this is why we need to be very careful in believing what we read here specifically when we read about kids saying they have been abused.
This reinforces the need to question the person when they say they have been abused because each person has their own definition (like the poster above who posted as "Abused").
I personally dont think reading information (good or bad, truthful or not) is considered abusive and constitutes legal recourse, but this poster does and I would question him/her if they claimed they were abused in a program simply on the basis of their definition of the word abuse.
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Hey..... Would you be willing to picket against abusive programs based on mental, verbal and emotional abuse????
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have you tried contacting
cafety
isac
heal
type these names into google. They will take you there. The people can assist you. Your best bet is cafety for imediate assistance. You will need to talk to someone personally about this.
YES!! You can get compensation for your abuse, which includes evicting you out without a home lined up. Legally, no one can "throw out" anyone . Abducting someone, keeping them prisoner, and your family telling you that you need to stay there or will be forced onto the streets is in violation of that law. People cannot be evicted from any home situation, without LEGAL authority and an allowence of about 6 months to give the tennant time to find a new place. Kids don't know this, so they get way with it.
Niles, botched programing, why don't you pm the kid.
I'd pm you, but the forum is apparently broken and I cannot register.
You shouldn'y be worried about giving the name of your program, but giving your name, and current details of your current financial plight might not be a good idea.
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Deprivation of an education is a violation of federal law.
Were you in a program that provided you with an accredited education?
If not, that's a clear violation of your rights under federal law.
Human rights violations like sleep deprivation, food deprivation, no hot water, forced labor, being made to discipline other children, isolation, etc. are all legitimate examples of abuse.
Abuse can be physical, mental, emotional, psychological.
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listen im not looking for your help all i need is information and thats it. keep your checkbook in your pocket because thats not what i am asking for. someone telling me how to get monney from being abused in a program, why does it matter which programs i was at anyway. why am i going to announce to a program that i am trying to get money from them, what sense would that make,.
what i need is some information on people who got money from being abused ina program. i want to know what is legally abuse so i can get money i won't be making a fool of myself. i think these are questions that can be answered. if you also know of any ideas for people with no money or place to live that would help to.
i think you think i am still in a program i got out a few years ago i am a free person even though i was kind fo forced into rehab recently but thats another story. programs read this stuff and i dont want to give them early warning i am coming after them. like i said if i cant get money i wont cry, but as a second prize why not try to get them put in jail. what is abuse so oi can call the police, these are questions i need anwered. hell if i have to live on the street i will make their lives as diffiicult as mine too, why not right what are they going to do, sue me and take my dog ??where am i now? i am in san jose california, are you around here and want to let me sleep on your couch?? :)
Okay, I'll bite on this one. From what you say you are in your very early 20's. It seems like you are falling upon some hard times. You're answer is not suing the schools/programs. That takes a lot of time, energy, and that's something a person like you does not have. You say your almost on the street, right? You need to focus keeping yourself, and your dog off the street. If you rent a room, you need to explain to the person you are living with, that you are not paid till the end of the month. You need to ask them if you can pull your weight around the house by doing all the cleaning, taking out of trash, whatever it takes until that time. Also having a written agreement that you will pay them back how, when, and in what kind of payments is good too. Just consider your physical labor like interest that a landlord would normally charge when you are late on rent. It takes time to find a good person, that you can trust, to live with. If they like you, if they trust you, if this is the first time you have ever done this, they will be sympathetic.
However, if you are a pain in the ass, or have done anything like steal from them, or show a pattern of not paying your rent, you are sure to get the boot.
I'm always quick to lend a few bucks, or lend support to my family, and friends. But, you really don't give me any good reason to. You're a complete stranger. Here you are asking us what abuse is, and how you can collect from a program? It sounds to me like you are looking for a handout. Look, life is not easy. You need to go to whatever family, or friends you do have. Even people you know through work. Somebody will help you. You always have to exchange it for something though such as helping out around their house, watching their kids, walking their dog, etc. you get my point. Don't expect people to give you anything for free. If they do, you are very lucky.
I don't mean to be harsh. I hope you are able to figure out a way to keep a roof over your head. Suing a program will not solve your money problems instantly, it is a lengthy process. A long emotionally drawn out process. Focus on the now. The past will always be there to work through. It doesn't sound to me from what you've told me that you have any grounds suing this program? Is that just me?!!!
Good luck.
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No doubt The Fornitudes will have a field day with CCM's post.
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No doubt The Fornitudes will have a field day with CCM's post.
Why is that? It's called Realityville, not Handoutland. WTF?
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No doubt The Fornitudes will have a field day with CCM's post.
Why is that? It's called Realityville, not Handoutland. WTF?
Despite your thoughts on the subject, CCM, you know as well as I do that you are about to be torn apart here....lol... just saying.
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If you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.
You don't have to be a former slave to know slavery is wrong.
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If you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.
You don't have to be a former slave to know slavery is wrong.
I've already given her what-for about this, Zen, but you are 100% correct.
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Sounds like a WWASP program and this kid is a victim of the exit plan. I guess other program also have exit plans - but I am betting this is WWASP.
There may be people in CA who can help get you set up with some social services - help with rent an food and such. You need to get in touch with someone and be willing to share more than you have on the open board. You need not put your details on the open forum - but you need to get in touch with someone privately. I might be able to help if you want to write me. But contact someone privately.
There is a law suite filed against WWASP. If you are a WWASP victim of the exit plan you need to speak with the law firm. I can give you the contact info. Write me. But this will not be a quick fix. This may take years. Still - you should contact them.
Do you have aunts or uncles or grand parents or family friends you could contact? Listen - do Not take your parents (or the programs) word for it that no one wants to hear from you. They lie in hopes you'll give up and go back to the program.
Hang in there kid.
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If you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.
You don't have to be a former slave to know slavery is wrong.
Point? Personal animosity distracting from topic, much? Take your caterwauling at ccm girl to a thread where it makes sense, congenital asshole.
But really, ccm girl, life may be "tough", but being deprived of an education, abducted, imprisoned, and put in a situation where chronic-bare survival and homelessness is inevitable is NOT a natural part of life. That is systematic abuse. And it's illegal.
Situations like this are why so many survivors end up killing themselves.
Someone pm this kid.
Also, contact “cafetyâ€
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No doubt The Fornitudes will have a field day with CCM's post.
Why is that? It's called Realityville, not Handoutland. WTF?
Despite your thoughts on the subject, CCM, you know as well as I do that you are about to be torn apart here....lol... just saying.
Hey, it wouldn't be the first time. That's why I no longer post here. However, he can take my advice......or leave it. It's his choice. I didn't post to start drama. I posted so this young man could feel empowered to do something about his situation on his own without looking for handout, with the quickest results. He said he didn't want us breaking out our checkbooks. He just wanted a program to break out theirs, that's all! Or the government? Take your pick. I just gave him another type of option. I don't have experience sponging off the government. So, how could I tell him how to do that? If that is what he is looking for.....again, rest assured from what I hear, that will be a lengthy process too. Till that time, get a backpack, some warm clothing, and a sign that says I'M HOMELESS PLEASE HELP! I opted for him to keep himself from that by doing what I said.
I don't claim to have all the answers. Especially since he hasn't given us a lot of clear information. But, he doesn't really need to broadcast what program he went to if he doesn't feel comfortable. Besides, as we all know. At least all of us Veterans here on Fornits sure the hell do. If you step out of line in your thinking from the majority here on Fornits you get outed.
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Sounds like a WWASP program and this kid is a victim of the exit plan. I guess other program also have exit plans - but I am betting this is WWASP.
There may be people in CA who can help get you set up with some social services - help with rent an food and such. You need to get in touch with someone and be willing to share more than you have on the open board. You need not put your details on the open forum - but you need to get in touch with someone privately. I might be able to help if you want to write me. But contact someone privately.
There is a law suite filed against WWASP. If you are a WWASP victim of the exit plan you need to speak with the law firm. I can give you the contact info. Write me. But this will not be a quick fix. This may take years. Still - you should contact them.
Do you have aunts or uncles or grand parents or family friends you could contact? Listen - do Not take your parents (or the programs) word for it that no one wants to hear from you. They lie in hopes you'll give up and go back to the program.
Hang in there kid.
good response. You are a caring person. Contact this person, Mike!!!
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No doubt The Fornitudes will have a field day with CCM's post.
Why is that? It's called Realityville, not Handoutland. WTF?
Despite your thoughts on the subject, CCM, you know as well as I do that you are about to be torn apart here....lol... just saying.
Hey, it wouldn't be the first time. That's why I no longer post here. However, he can take my advice......or leave it. It's his choice. I didn't post to start drama. I posted so this young man could feel empowered to do something about his situation on his own without looking for handout, with the quickest results. He said he didn't want us breaking out our checkbooks. He just wanted a program to break out theirs, that's all! Or the government? Take your pick. I just gave him another type of option. I don't have experience sponging off the government. So, how could I tell him how to do that? If that is what he is looking for.....again, rest assured from what I hear, that will be a lengthy process too. Till that time, get a backpack, some warm clothing, and a sign that says I'M HOMELESS PLEASE HELP! I opted for him to keep himself from that by doing what I said.
I don't claim to have all the answers. Especially since he hasn't given us a lot of clear information. But, he doesn't really need to broadcast what program he went to if he doesn't feel comfortable. Besides, as we all know. At least all of us Veterans here on Fornits sure the hell do. If you step out of line in your thinking from the majority here on Fornits you get outed.
Yah, yuu went home with people who had sex with you, when you were homeless, right? In this situation who was giving the handout? the men, or the vulnerable girl? Or were you basically a prostitue "earning" your way, fair and square. Noble fronteirswoman
Don't spout garbage you know will upset people (because it's evil) as a passive aggressive way to "get back" at people who are rude to you. I've defended you, but what you wrote is repulsive. No, people should not be homeless because they can't pay the rent. No people should not be put in situations where that is inevitable. No, being helped in this situation is not a "handout" anymore then social security, the fire dept., or the police are handouts!!. No, people cannot be evicted as this boy was, from his home unless he consented to be in an abusive prison ...that's ILLEGAL AND UNETHICAL. MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO DID THAT TO HIM IS NOT A HANDOUT IT IS JUSTICE.
contact buzzkill
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Point? Personal animosity distracting from topic, much? Take your caterwauling at ccm girl to a thread where it makes sense, congenital asshole.
Point? Even trolls like you have the right to an opinion.
Snipe much? Talk about animosity... Did I piss you off in some way, anon? Not that it matters...
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thank you to those of you who posted the website names and good luck is always helpeful i will search for those website names and start emailing people more .i just thought maybe some people here had experience in getting money from a program or something and like i said i want to know what abuse is so if i cant get money i can call the police and make their lives difficult as mine will be. has anbody tried this is what i wanted to know and how that works.
i have a friend but he lives at home so i cant stay there but he found me some information about this farm where all you have to do is pick some friut or vegetables or something and clean up trash and they let you live there so i am going to call them and see if they have space for me andmy dog.
thank you for everyone who posted nice things. the rest i dont really understand but thanks anyways as well for your input its confusing though.
ifi anybody has any people or phone numbers specifically you dont mind posting i will give them a try too. now that i posted my name i dont really want to post the program because then a lot of people would know who i am and thats not what im looking for right now that kind of attention. just need a little bit of help .
ccm girl i cant really talk the landlord into anything the house is sold and the new people are moving in thats the situation thank you for your advice you are really wise for a 17 year old girl.
honestly though as long as i have my best friend with me my dog then its all good, everythin g else will work itself out. thanks again! :) feel free to post any advice or names or how to get abusers put in jail or get money from it or that kind of stuff i am desperately need it.
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No doubt The Fornitudes will have a field day with CCM's post.
Why is that? It's called Realityville, not Handoutland. WTF?
Despite your thoughts on the subject, CCM, you know as well as I do that you are about to be torn apart here....lol... just saying.
Hey, it wouldn't be the first time. That's why I no longer post here. However, he can take my advice......or leave it. It's his choice. I didn't post to start drama. I posted so this young man could feel empowered to do something about his situation on his own without looking for handout, with the quickest results. He said he didn't want us breaking out our checkbooks. He just wanted a program to break out theirs, that's all! Or the government? Take your pick. I just gave him another type of option. I don't have experience sponging off the government. So, how could I tell him how to do that? If that is what he is looking for.....again, rest assured from what I hear, that will be a lengthy process too. Till that time, get a backpack, some warm clothing, and a sign that says I'M HOMELESS PLEASE HELP! I opted for him to keep himself from that by doing what I said.
I don't claim to have all the answers. Especially since he hasn't given us a lot of clear information. But, he doesn't really need to broadcast what program he went to if he doesn't feel comfortable. Besides, as we all know. At least all of us Veterans here on Fornits sure the hell do. If you step out of line in your thinking from the majority here on Fornits you get outed.
Yah, yuu went home with people who had sex with you, when you were homeless, right? In this situation who was giving the handout? the men, or the vulnerable girl? Or were you basically a prostitue "earning" your way, fair and square. Noble fronteirswoman
Don't spout garbage you know will upset people (because it's evil) as a passive aggressive way to "get back" at people who are rude to you. I've defended you, but what you wrote is repulsive. No, people should not be homeless because they can't pay the rent. No people should not be put in situations where that is inevitable. No, being helped in this situation is not a "handout" anymore then social security, the fire dept., or the police are handouts!!. No, people cannot be evicted as this boy was, from his home unless he consented to be in an abusive prison ...that's ILLEGAL AND UNETHICAL. MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO DID THAT TO HIM IS NOT A HANDOUT IT IS JUSTICE.
contact buzzkill
The Allmighty Voice of The Fornitudes has spoken, as I knew it would..
And I agree, it IS justice...
Hang in there, whoever you are (unless you're just another someone pretending to be someone just out of a program.. in that case, you can fuck off)!
Peace to you, and take care.
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and sorry if i was rude at first you are all very nice people i am just stressed out really bad because i only have a few days to figure something out. i am calmer now and its good just to vent to anyone right now because i dont know who else to tell. again sorry for first impressions. :) now im off to go get smashed forget about my life until2morow :)
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Stay away from CAFETY. That closeted guy Alex would try to get you into Izzy Zehnder's Life Coaching. You would get no help and end up overweight and addicted to potato chips and Ho-Hos.
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Stay away from CAFETY. That closeted guy Alex would try to get you into Izzy Zehnder's Life Coaching. You would get no help and end up overweight and addicted to potato chips and Ho-Hos.
cafety is a good group. Arguments causing the "cause" as a whole to be harmed, should be reserved for the cults.
They helped a kid in a similar situation, and that bs about alex is a joke that makes vulnerable people a punchline.
good luck, mike
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thank you to those of you who posted the website names and good luck is always helpeful i will search for those website names and start emailing people more .i just thought maybe some people here had experience in getting money from a program or something and like i said i want to know what abuse is so if i cant get money i can call the police and make their lives difficult as mine will be. has anbody tried this is what i wanted to know and how that works.
i have a friend but he lives at home so i cant stay there but he found me some information about this farm where all you have to do is pick some friut or vegetables or something and clean up trash and they let you live there so i am going to call them and see if they have space for me andmy dog.
thank you for everyone who posted nice things. the rest i dont really understand but thanks anyways as well for your input its confusing though.
ifi anybody has any people or phone numbers specifically you dont mind posting i will give them a try too. now that i posted my name i dont really want to post the program because then a lot of people would know who i am and thats not what im looking for right now that kind of attention. just need a little bit of help .
ccm girl i cant really talk the landlord into anything the house is sold and the new people are moving in thats the situation thank you for your advice you are really wise for a 17 year old girl.
honestly though as long as i have my best friend with me my dog then its all good, everythin g else will work itself out. thanks again! :) feel free to post any advice or names or how to get abusers put in jail or get money from it or that kind of stuff i am desperately need it.
Wow! You see Mike, people here at Fornits hate me. I'm sorry you are going through some tough times. Until you have money saved, all you can do is work for your room, and board. It may not be glamorous. However, it will keep a roof over you, and your dogs head hopefully.
This board can be a little confusing at times. A lot of really angry people. But, some good people too. If you feel like you were abused, and have a case, then there are people who can put you in touch with the right people. That will however take away your time, and energy you need to focus on keeping a roof over your head.
The choice is yours. BTW, my user name isn't my birth year. It was the year I was a student at Cross Creek Manor.
If you find out this farm will not take your dog, I would call your parents, and ask them if they would care for your dog. At least that way you wouldn't be asking for their help with you (I know how degrading that feels, and especially how much it hurts when you do get that door slammed in your face). I'm not saying that would happen to you though. I bet your parents would respect you for working to get back on your feet, instead of asking them for money. Maybe having the conversation about the taking care of the dog would be a perfect time to test the waters to see if they would let you come live with them temporarily, or not? Just a thought.
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Point? Personal animosity distracting from topic, much? Take your caterwauling at ccm girl to a thread where it makes sense, congenital asshole.
Point? Even trolls like you have the right to an opinion.
Yep, alcoholic idiots, too. That's why you’re not in prison, babycakes.
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and sorry if i was rude at first you are all very nice people i am just stressed out really bad because i only have a few days to figure something out. i am calmer now and its good just to vent to anyone right now because i dont know who else to tell. again sorry for first impressions. :) now im off to go get smashed forget about my life until2morow :)
think this guy is a troll? Won't name program, but gives his name. Talks alot about how he wants to get money cause he's hard up, tells ccm girl that she's wise (for a 17 year old girl) and now wants to get smashed...
fishy?
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cafety is a good group. Arguments causing the "cause" as a whole to be harmed, should be reserved for the cults.
They helped a kid in a similar situation, and that bs about alex is a joke that makes vulnerable people a punchline.
Alex is the punchline. With all the shit that Isabelle Zehnder has been linked to, the guy is too much of a prideful asshole to separate himself from her, thereby taking CAFETY out of a potentially embarrassing situation.
Captcha: "Stronger treatment". I shit you not.
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and sorry if i was rude at first you are all very nice people i am just stressed out really bad because i only have a few days to figure something out. i am calmer now and its good just to vent to anyone right now because i dont know who else to tell. again sorry for first impressions. :) now im off to go get smashed forget about my life until2morow :)
think this guy is a troll? Won't name program, but gives his name. Talks alot about how he wants to get money cause he's hard up, tells ccm girl that she's wise (for a 17 year old girl) and now wants to get smashed...
fishy?
Not as fishy as CCM being a 17 year old girl.
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http://cafety.org/ (http://cafety.org/)
http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/)
http://www.heal-online.org/ (http://www.heal-online.org/)
just in case you're for real
these are three orgs that should be halpful
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This kid shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
That's essentially the bargain slaves had, last century. Even vulnerable housekeepers are paid wages. This hopeless "bare survival" lifestyle, no access to higher education with the anbetter life quality it bestows, the lack of primary education, the lack of an opprotunity to develop life skills or a reliable social network, and the mental damage of being institutionalized and tortured is part of the reason these monsters get away with torturing human beings.
When you are trying not to die, you can't even think about pressing charges. Not that the police will prosecute, even if you try, of course.
Has anyone pm'd, or heard from this kid? I want him to be ok. He shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
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Mike-
How much are you behind in rent?
How much money would get you by, until you get paid?
Some of us want to help, if you let us. Please post your email address so I can contact you.
Sincerely,
Someone who cares and wants to help.
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This kid shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
That's essentially the bargain slaves had, last century. Even vulnerable housekeepers are paid wages. This hopeless "bare survival" lifestyle, no access to higher education with the anbetter life quality it bestows, the lack of primary education, the lack of an opprotunity to develop life skills or a reliable social network, and the mental damage of being institutionalized and tortured is part of the reason these monsters get away with torturing human beings.
When you are trying not to die, you can't even think about pressing charges. Not that the police will prosecute, even if you try, of course.
Has anyone pm'd, or heard from this kid? I want him to be ok. He shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
Hey, who said life was fair? If he has to pick fruit to earn a place to stay, and to earn a small amount of money, then that's the way it goes. If you don't like it, then why don't you send him some money, or better yet a plane ticket to come stay with you ANON?????
From what he's told us, he's been in jail several times since he's been out, and went to drug rehab. I have more respect for him that he's opting for a slice of humble pie, and working to get his life back in order, rather then looking for a handout!
If he chooses to go after a program, and he has legitimate reasons, then great. But, if he has no friends, or family to take him in, then what????? Then, this is his only opportunity. It's not the end of the world. It's not to say he won't go back to school, get a job, and become successful. It's a bump in the road. It's temporary.
Like I said, if your not happy with this young mans options, then wire him some money to go find another room to rent, or send him a plane ticket. Or collect money from people on here willing to give to the cause?!!
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This kid shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
That's essentially the bargain slaves had, last century. Even vulnerable housekeepers are paid wages. This hopeless "bare survival" lifestyle, no access to higher education with the anbetter life quality it bestows, the lack of primary education, the lack of an opprotunity to develop life skills or a reliable social network, and the mental damage of being institutionalized and tortured is part of the reason these monsters get away with torturing human beings.
When you are trying not to die, you can't even think about pressing charges. Not that the police will prosecute, even if you try, of course.
Has anyone pm'd, or heard from this kid? I want him to be ok. He shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
Hey, who said life was fair? If he has to pick fruit to earn a place to stay, and to earn a small amount of money, then that's the way it goes. If you don't like it, then why don't you send him some money, or better yet a plane ticket to come stay with you ANON?????
From what he's told us, he's been in jail several times since he's been out, and went to drug rehab. I have more respect for him that he's opting for a slice of humble pie, and working to get his life back in order, rather then looking for a handout!
If he chooses to go after a program, and he has legitimate reasons, then great. But, if he has no friends, or family to take him in, then what????? Then, this is his only opportunity. It's not the end of the world. It's not to say he won't go back to school, get a job, and become successful. It's a bump in the road. It's temporary.
Like I said, if your not happy with this young mans options, then wire him some money to go find another room to rent, or send him a plane ticket. Or collect money from people on here willing to give to the cause?!!
When you were shacking up with men who took you in off the street and have sex with you, was that like eating humble pie? How did it taste?
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This kid shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
That's essentially the bargain slaves had, last century. Even vulnerable housekeepers are paid wages. This hopeless "bare survival" lifestyle, no access to higher education with the anbetter life quality it bestows, the lack of primary education, the lack of an opprotunity to develop life skills or a reliable social network, and the mental damage of being institutionalized and tortured is part of the reason these monsters get away with torturing human beings.
When you are trying not to die, you can't even think about pressing charges. Not that the police will prosecute, even if you try, of course.
Has anyone pm'd, or heard from this kid? I want him to be ok. He shouldn't have to pick fruit so he can live in some person's shack for free.
Hey, who said life was fair? If he has to pick fruit to earn a place to stay, and to earn a small amount of money, then that's the way it goes. If you don't like it, then why don't you send him some money, or better yet a plane ticket to come stay with you ANON?????
From what he's told us, he's been in jail several times since he's been out, and went to drug rehab. I have more respect for him that he's opting for a slice of humble pie, and working to get his life back in order, rather then looking for a handout!
If he chooses to go after a program, and he has legitimate reasons, then great. But, if he has no friends, or family to take him in, then what????? Then, this is his only opportunity. It's not the end of the world. It's not to say he won't go back to school, get a job, and become successful. It's a bump in the road. It's temporary.
Like I said, if your not happy with this young mans options, then wire him some money to go find another room to rent, or send him a plane ticket. Or collect money from people on here willing to give to the cause?!!
When you were shacking up with men who took you in off the street and have sex with you, was that like eating humble pie? How did it taste?
How many men did you have sex with, in return for a place to stay? I am curious about this, as your a person who doesn't like "hand-outs"? Do you consider that a handout? Or is it prostitution, and therefore, honorable?
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Give that whole whoring bit a rest, and please come up with something new. Especially if you want to be successful at talking shit, and derailing threads.
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ok i hope i can expain it because its kind of complicated.i am behind for two months now i owe for oct and nov and then have to pay for dec by january 10. i pay 400 for my room and then 35 extra for dog fee so i owe two months which is 870 and then jan 10 i pay another 435 for this month. and since this is our last month since it sold then i need to get a new place with a deposit and all that so you see it adds up very quickly and i have only have a little bit left.
because they think im just going to stiff them since they know my financial situation,, that is why they are going to kick me out before the end of the month because they dont see how i am going to pay the 870 plus dec 435 by january 10 so i guess you cant blame them for being pissed.
im working at night as a bartender and the pay is better than my last job but it still low and they dont give me any tips because im new.
i just got out of rehab because i had to do a 28 day mandatory for my second dwi this year so that basically took all the money i had, and my car, and i still owe money on that and have no license. right now im just trying to save and keep what i make and i cant pay off my rent because i need to be thinking about where im going next. even if i somehow work something out to stay until the end of the month, i still need to find somewhere to go after that which usually includes a deposit with a dog.
im stressed out i am seeing not a way to really get through this without skipping out on my old rent, and somehow swinging the next month on couches or the street until i have enough for a new room.
but im not seeing how thats possible. hopefully ill hear back from that farm or whatever it is because even a free shack is better than being stuck in this city with no place to go. if you want to talk to me privately you can email me my email is mikemacen@yahoo
im not asking for money though just some helpful advice if you have any maybe you been in a situation and talking helps anyways. my dog doesnt seem to comprehend he might lose his kibble soon. no just playing around kibble is cheap. :) tried to make a name on here but it didnt work. i dont work until nine so ill be here if anyone wants to email me something useful i am still needing it and thank you for your help you guys rock!.
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Mike-
I am going to send you some money via Paypal to your email.
This is not charity. This is a loan, that you can pay back whenever you can, if you choose to. I trust you, as your parents never did.
I want you to use this money to pay off your back rent and save for your new room, which you will need next month. Do not go spend it all on drugs or alcohol.
What do I want in return? I want you to nail the bastards who abused you. Take them to court, and put them in jail where they belong.
That's it.
Merry Christmas, Mike.
Sincerely,
Someone who cares.
Check your email.
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Give that whole whoring bit a rest, and please come up with something new. Especially if you want to be successful at talking shit, and derailing threads.
This woman is saying that suing, or this boy’s getting help from ss., is a "handout" in a disparaging sense. Yet, she took her own “handoutsâ€
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Mike-
I am going to send you some money via Paypal to your email.
This is not charity. This is a loan, that you can pay back whenever you can, if you choose to. I trust you, as your parents never did.
I want you to use this money to pay off your back rent and save for your new room, which you will need next month. Do not go spend it all on drugs or alcohol.
What do I want in return? I want you to nail the bastards who abused you. Take them to court, and put them in jail where they belong.
That's it.
Merry Christmas, Mike.
Sincerely,
Someone who cares.
Check your email.
That's great. How did you find out what the address of his email? There are other people who would like to help.
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oops , just saw it there. Nevermind
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In the post above the one you quoted, he told us.
[email protected]
I hope you don't mind me reposting it, Mike.
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Mike posted he's been out of the program a few years, was forced into rehab recently, and now wants to get smashed. Why isn't CCMgirl referring him to one of those programs for adult males? Isn't that her gig?
What's CCmgirl mean, "I don't post here anymore?" She lives on this forum!
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I know someone who can donate clothes, basics like toothpaste, deodrant, toothbrush, shampoo, soap, etc. and dog food too. Where do they send the stuff?
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holy shit that was totally uncalled for i cant accept that but since its a loan i will. seriously that is way more than i needed this is enough to pay all three rents month i owe and will let me save my earnings this month to save for my new place deposit and first month. i know you wanted to remain anonymous but jesus christ , this was the nicest thing anyone has done for me in my whole life i am totally speechless just wow i had lost all hope in people and today my hope is restored.
i know you wanted to remain anonyous like you said in the email but if everyone knew how nice you were, jesus christ this is unbelievable!!!! i just pinched myself to see if i was dreaming because i was seriously crying and thinking of just finding a bridge to haul my sorry ass off if it werent for the pup. thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. i cant say it enough.
check your email i will keep in close contact and i will pay every cent back. all i was looking for was some information and look what happened all in just a few hours. :)i dont know what else to say i am compeltely speechless. you guys are really the angels among us you really saved me and im being completely for real about that.. i dont know what to say. you will be in my prayers you kno w who you are.!!
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Hey, it wouldn't be the first time. That's why I no longer post here.
What? Bullshit you don't. :roll:
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Angels? Something's amiss here. Good on you if somebody gave you the Golden Handshake, but given the current group posting you're more likely to run across a buzzard than an angel...
Like this particular Bird of Appetite:
Point? Personal animosity distracting from topic, much? Take your caterwauling at ccm girl to a thread where it makes sense, congenital asshole.
Point? Even trolls like you have the right to an opinion.
Yep, alcoholic idiots, too. That's why you’re not in prison, babycakes.
Crack whore! :rofl:
I don't drink, but I'm thinking about taking it up as a New Year's resolution. I'll start smoking, too.
"Babycakes"? That's too cute...really. Wow. You wanna buy a monkey?
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Hey, it wouldn't be the first time. That's why I no longer post here.
What? Bullshit you don't. :roll:
She's like a penicillin-resistant dose of the clap that will not go away. You know about those pesky, chronic doses of the clap, don't you CCM?
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Angels? Something's amiss here. Good on you if somebody gave you the Golden Handshake, but given the current group posting you're more likely to run across a buzzard than an angel...
Like this particular Bird of Appetite:
Yep, alcoholic idiots, too. That's why you’re not in prison, babycakes.
Crack whore! :rofl:
I don't drink
Yeah, I agree with CCM girl, from personal experience. My family history was covered up on my dad's side - the alcoholics had cleaned-up, and by the time I was 16 or so, those guys were old and sober and silent about the old days.
Then I went through my own personal hell.
"Babycakes"? That's too cute...really. Wow. You wanna buy a monkey?
Nah, I see enough of you on this forum. Hiyo! :rofl:
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Angels? Something's amiss here. Good on you if somebody gave you the Golden Handshake, but given the current group posting you're more likely to run across a buzzard than an angel...
Like this particular Bird of Appetite:
Yep, alcoholic idiots, too. That's why you’re not in prison, babycakes.
Crack whore! :rofl:
I don't drink
Yeah, I agree with CCM girl, from personal experience. My family history was covered up on my dad's side - the alcoholics had cleaned-up, and by the time I was 16 or so, those guys were old and sober and silent about the old days.
Then I went through my own personal hell.
"Babycakes"? That's too cute...really. Wow. You wanna buy a monkey?
Nah, I see enough of you on this forum. Hiyo! :rofl:
"Hiyo"? Jesus.
Wow...you DO have some burning desire for revenge. Personal-like, huh? I must have done a number on you. Good.
I don't drink, I got over my problem...maybe you should, too. You really need to let this anger go.
You are my monkey. Look at the tricks I've got you doing.
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I think your monkey needs a spanking, Zen.
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I must have done a number on you. Good. .
Yeah,darlin’, you're the universes' center. Tell yourself that while you look in the mirror. Positive affirmations. People like you, too. Handsome, also
I don't drink, I got over my problem...maybe you should, too. You really need to let this anger go..
Glad to see you conquered the drink. Sorry about the permanent state of psychosis, Mr. Osborne. Wipe that drool, there's a big boy
You are my monkey. Look at the tricks I've got you doing.
Nah, that’s your wife. Come on, she aint' that ugly! But you got her doin’ tricks, eh? Grrr! ::whip:: ::whip:: I'll let you get back to the animal kingdom. Night
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I think your monkey needs a spanking, Zen.
That's a cat five, and it'll give him hairy palms!
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Guest wrote:
Mike- I am going to send you some money via Paypal to your email.
Thank you, kind soul.
Buzzkill wrote:
Do you have aunts or uncles or grand parents or family friends you could contact? Listen - do Not take your parents (or the programs) word for it that no one wants to hear from you. They lie in hopes you'll give up and go back to the program.
I can tell you from personal experience that this happens. We would gladly help our niece if she was allowed to contact us.
I agree that suing programs is worthwhile, but would take time with an unsure outcome.
Take care, Mike, be well, and hug that dog of yours.
Auntie Em
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Guest wrote:
Mike- I am going to send you some money via Paypal to your email.
Thank you, kind soul.
Buzzkill wrote:
Do you have aunts or uncles or grand parents or family friends you could contact? Listen - do Not take your parents (or the programs) word for it that no one wants to hear from you. They lie in hopes you'll give up and go back to the program.
I can tell you from personal experience that this happens. We would gladly help our niece if she was allowed to contact us.
I agree that suing programs is worthwhile, but would take time with an unsure outcome.
Take care, Mike, be well, and hug that dog of yours.
Auntie Em
yes, that fellow is a hero.
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Someone sure likes calling himself a "hero" a lot lately.
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To the person who donated all the money, how do you know this person is even for real and not just scamming you? That's a lot of money to send some one you don't know over the internet.
I don't know if "hero" is the right term to use, more like "idiot with too much money".
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It's really like this, Mike is a troll, and the the "hero" is the same troll talking to him. HELLOOOOOOO
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To the person who donated all the money, how do you know this person is even for real and not just scamming you? That's a lot of money to send some one you don't know over the internet.
I don't know if "hero" is the right term to use, more like "idiot with too much money".
People dump a lot of excess money this time of year....it is the Christmas season and people feel generous. Also there is only a few weeks left to reach your quota for tax deductable charitable contributions, so if you have not donated much this year your tax guy will call you up and let you know you need to dump some stock or donate to a charity. (There is only like 2-3 weeks left in the year).
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How do you know this is a troll? It sounds suspicious, but then so do a lot of other posts on this forum.
I want to believe that there are people as helpful as this "hero" out there, but this seems like some sort of scam. That's a lot of money to just send some one you don't know on the internet.
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Someone sure likes calling himself a "hero" a lot lately.
No, I am not the person who supposedly sent money, and if he did send it, he is a hero.
If it's the same troll, it is a genius troll as he manages to pull off two completely different styles of writing.
The giver is profoundly literate and succinct. Mike is evidently panicky, (and obviously intelligent, Mike) but somewhat convoluted and prone to grammatical errors.
I posted that there was something fishy about the post, but that’s only because fornits is plagued by trolls, and people do perpetrate scams. Outside of that, the post seems strikingly genuine, in terms of details and naivety. He also said he didn’t register because the forum is broken and, which is accurate. People should continue emailing him and contact the various agencies to see if he contacted him if they want to find out if he’s real.