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That was directed at Karen.

No one is denying her making those statements. It is her cheesy attempt at a middle ground arguement on her part. Had she not been spouting her support for Second Nature every chance she had I probably would have heckled her once or twice for old times sake and forgot about her.

I think this much is fairly obvious to anyone reading these threads on a regular basis. She's got a good grasp on vocabulary and knows how to parse words like the best of them. It reminds me of the write up on SNWP website, but much more sophisticated. They are amateurs compared to Karen.

My mind is open, but I have talked to a lot more people with 2N experience than you have, and so far I think it is a good program.

We have our another Sou Chef right here!

Sue is to WWASP as Karen is to Carlbrook.

GIve em credibility by bashing one program, and swoop in with another. SLick, very click! (common sales tactic though)

Yeah- thanks for the chance.
You think you OWNED me? Perhaps you should read the 12 PMs I received (most from regular fornits posters) apologizing for your behavior and saying how disgusted they were with your attitude and behavior. Even saying that you were clearly drunk when you posted.
If you read my posts instead of simply trying to humiliate me, you would have noticed that I was changing my mind about Carlbook as I learned more about the workshops and the therapy groups.
Does insulting me and my family help your cause? I took a chance by trying to share information on the thread, and all you did was attack me and try to bring the attention back to yourself. I was told that is what it is all about with you- making sure you are the center of attention.
I stopped posting on the thread because your posts were hurtful and degrading. I really have no need to subject myself to that.
My purpose isn't to promote Carlbrook and 2N. Right now I am trying to convince someone to take their kid out of HLA. I think from what I have learned, the Carlbrook program has a strong potential for abuse- emotionally, not physically. I have not yet seen anything to show me 2N uses the same techniques or is anything like that. My son, who spent a total of 16 weeks at sN, tells me it is not at all the same. My mind is open, but I have talked to a lot more people with 2N experience than you have, and so far I think it is a good program.
Keep thinking you are amusing everyone and keep thinking you "owned" me. Not quite.
Karen
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Cant forget this baby...  

I am shocked. SHOCKED at this utter distain for tatse and self censorship.

You wish.

You speak the truth, my son.

Do not believe the word of false prophets. BSarro earned themselves a one way trip to hell already, ignore the plight of fools. Follow the word of God, and raise your children right, in your home. There are no need for programs, my father agrees.

Tranquility Bay is an unholy hell, run by those compromised by the devil. It is the worst place you could have sent your child. Go pick him up right now, apologize and find an alternative. You can do it, I am watching and waiting.

Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments;