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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 29, 2005, 12:06:00 AM
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Pete Talbot was president of the Brown schools for the last week. He was asked to step in and replace the former president George E. McCown and negotiate in the final week.
The TIAA-CREF was the primary loan holder of Brown Schools. McCown DeLeeuw was the secondary loan holder. George McCown was head of Brown Schools.
Apparently the debt service to those two lenders was what ultimately drained the company of cash. Those two companies got 8 million dollars in interest payments. The result was that George and the TIAA-CREF guys drained the Brown schools of operating capital. In the final week Pete was asked to try and save the schools. The plan was to get a bridging loan of 2.2 million dollars from the two investment groups to extend the life of the schools, pay salaries and file chapter 11. Then they would begin deconstructing the Brown Schools to the various groups who were already expressing interest in buying the individual schools.
On Friday TIAA-CREF and McCown DeLeeuw announced there would be no loan agreement. Pete went to Herb Allison to beg for 500,000 dollars to meet payroll and extend into next week so they could work out a deal.
In the end, there is no loan and Pete was ordered to close CEDU and file for chaper 7.
Staff of the schools are not paid for the last two weeks' work, but they will ultimately get paid from the bankruptcy court. Meanwhile the court appointed trustee will pay employees who worked after 4:30 Friday.
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What happend to the other CEO that was operating things last week? Somthing is very fishy. I think there is more to this story. And what happend to the man that was going to change CEDU and make it better. MR. George Condas. Have not heard his name in a while. I beleive that the brown schools got what they wanted. (because it is a corporations they can still run there other facilities.) They are not hurting for $$$$$$$$$$$$$. After this Chapter 7 the brown schools will buy something else and start all over. It is the easy way out for them. I beleive that the brown schools management team sucks. They do not know how to treat employees. Just me speaking out. I will never work for them again. But all this talk is not going to help the many employees with medical insurance and pay there bill's. They are the true suffers. I bet the CEO and many other higher ups are not worried about putting food on the table,putting shoes on there kids feet or having gas to cook with, now are they.
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i dissagree
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Good to see CEDU closing. I hope that the financial difficulties extend to the all the staff and they end up in bankruptcy and hopefully blow their heads off. Now, I'd pay to see that take place.
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I hope so too. I really do.
Down with CEDU and up with SIBS!!!
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Yes! SIBS will prevail!
You druggies had better start getting it together, lol. Say your goodbyes because we will be coming to get you! :cool:
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On 2005-03-28 23:52:00, pstceduemployee wrote:
And what happend to the man that was going to change CEDU and make it better. MR. George Condas.
Closed seems like a real improvement to me. Sorry, I just can't cry for you employees. I believe you and some of the kids when you say you had all the good intentions in the world. But there comes a time when you have to give up on pulling the hapless folk out of the crick and go upstream and get them to quit jumping off the bridge. I think this new CEO is doing a fantastic job, intentionally or not.The problem with the "teen help" industry is that it's a bad "solution" in search of a problem.
Julie C.
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Youre a sick fucker. No the program did not work for everyone, but for alot it did, I saw it. You seem to refuse to realize that alot of kids were safer there than at home with parents if that is what you want to call shit that dont want their kids or hurt them. Yes some were there who should not have been, but that falls back on a parent who didnt give a shit, or does not want to deal with the issues of raising kids does it not??? just wanted the kid out of their hair. I agree with you that yes there were some staff that were fuckin asses and sick in the head. But there were some as myself that were good, never overstepped boundires or got pleasure out of hurting and controlling the kids at CEDU. Unfortunatley those of us that were good were powerless to confront a piece of shit staff or cororporate pig, even though the CEDU philosphy is supposedily all about truth, and comming clean, or calling someones bluff Ha Ha. Not when it was in the ranks of the management. you kept your mouth shut or lost your job period. I know from experience that CEDU's corporate/management side of things was just as fucked for some of us staff as it was for the kids. We were lied to, treated like shit and told if we did not like it we could leave. If we had an issue with the piss poor pay that fell down the ranks to some of us we were told that no one works at CEDU to get rich, yeah but it would at least been nice to pay our bills rather than just barely if at all!!! Only to see others such as Bill Shea, Brandi, and a few other "pets" pull up to 6000 per month salaries while the lower ranks who took care of the student needs such as maintenance, kitchen, and night staff get shit on with sorry ass pay. It is no excuse, but that probally led to alot of "bad attitudes" inflicted on students and other staff, by bitter staff. I dont know why you are so bitter and dont care just think that you are fucked to whish a BK and death on some of us who truly treid to make the CEDU experince more comfortable for those of you who were stuck there.
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Get a real job and quit crying already! No one here feels sorry for you, so get lost you fucking loser!
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Not all students who had a bad experience w/ CEDU have ill wishes for past staffers. I am sorry that the community in Northern Idaho lost several hundred jobs. That is a huge blow in a small economy. My experiene at CEDU leads me to believe that many of the students do not know what it is to not have basic material needs met. To not undertand the pain of having a child and not having the money to meet that child's needs. To the ex-staffers, I wish you the best in your attempts to find a new job [and hopefully a better one]. Good Luck on the job search and unfortunately likely re-location.
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There were some staffers who meant well and who treated kids with dignity. The problem was that Brown and CEDU were always an autocratic dictatorship run by people who were under-educated and schooled only in one cult philosoply of CEDU.
Nevertheless, It was sad. I can count on one hand (including myself) the staff who would stand up to the system when their jobs were at risk. In 26 years - one hand.
All of us were forced out, just like nonconformists of any Genre, from any cult.
I give credit only to those who stood up for the fellow dissenters against the tyranny done to kids and staff to the bitter end.
I agree with Serb, on the violins. (you crack me up Serb) Why? Because, when my therapist job was on the line, everyone, and I mean every so called deep relationship and friend turned their backs on me and walked away. That is, everyone except the kids and some of the parents who contacted me and praised me after I was gone.
What am I saying? I am saying that all the "friends" there are fake friends, and every staffer who left quickly found that out when he was shunned after he left the school - sometimes even by his family.
What lesson is contained in this? It is that there is no "real" CEDU culture unless you dedicate your life to making everyone who ever worked there "feel good about themselves - and everything they do."
You had to conform totally devoid of independent thinking, brainwashed, like a sensitivity robot. If you changed, your friends disappered. It was like that for the kids too.
Serb, dude, you got it right, but I do feel sorry - even for even some of those people who turned their backs on me. All I can say to them is the following: Take this as a lesson of what your so called friends felt. You trusted the wrong entity Brown. And don't bother praising the Mel Wasserman family. Yes, they were smarter, but they cared just as little. The care they showed was fake, just like yours, and all they were after was money. They got it; and you:
What did you get? Now maybe you wil take that face away from that big white ass and pull CEDUs dick out of yours.
Peace
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you said it all. job well done Thank you. You are right all the support staff got the shitty pay but yet that is what kept the school going. If it was not for the Kitchen,Maint, Nightstaff and other support staff the counsolors would have not been able to do there job. Thank you for your post. We all new that Cedu did not care if you were getting paid $7.00 per hour to stay up all night or un stop camods. The problem was the Department Heads never stood up for us pee ons. We were told to keep are mouth shut if we wanted to keep our jobs. What a shitty place to work. We can do better on Unemployment and get re-trained to make more money. So I beleive Cedu did us a favor in a way. Maybe we needed this push to make a better life for ourselves and our families. Good luck.
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Would some of you folks consider sharing your experience w/ the good folks of Boonville, mo?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&20 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8766&forum=9&20)
I recognize that Brown and WWASP are not all the same individuals. But they sure do operate under similar MO's.
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What a joke you are!!!! ::mecry:: I am better than to want sympathy from anyone because I chose to work for CEDU you seem to want sympathy for your time there. c-ya would'nt want to be ya.
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Now that CEDU is gone, would you be interested in a position at SIBS?
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What is SIBS???
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ROFL
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On 2005-03-30 11:00:00, Roy wrote:
"There were some staffers who meant well and who treated kids with dignity. The problem was that Brown and CEDU were always an autocratic dictatorship run by people who were under-educated and schooled only in one cult philosoply of CEDU.
Nevertheless, It was sad. I can count on one hand (including myself) the staff who would stand up to the system when their jobs were at risk. In 26 years - one hand.
All of us were forced out, just like nonconformists of any Genre, from any cult.
I give credit only to those who stood up for the fellow dissenters against the tyranny done to kids and staff to the bitter end.
I agree with Serb, on the violins. (you crack me up Serb) Why? Because, when my therapist job was on the line, everyone, and I mean every so called deep relationship and friend turned their backs on me and walked away. That is, everyone except the kids and some of the parents who contacted me and praised me after I was gone.
What am I saying? I am saying that all the "friends" there are fake friends, and every staffer who left quickly found that out when he was shunned after he left the school - sometimes even by his family.
What lesson is contained in this? It is that there is no "real" CEDU culture unless you dedicate your life to making everyone who ever worked there "feel good about themselves - and everything they do."
You had to conform totally devoid of independent thinking, brainwashed, like a sensitivity robot. If you changed, your friends disappered. It was like that for the kids too.
Serb, dude, you got it right, but I do feel sorry - even for even some of those people who turned their backs on me. All I can say to them is the following: Take this as a lesson of what your so called friends felt. You trusted the wrong entity Brown. And don't bother praising the Mel Wasserman family. Yes, they were smarter, but they cared just as little. The care they showed was fake, just like yours, and all they were after was money. They got it; and you:
What did you get? Now maybe you wil take that face away from that big white ass and pull CEDUs dick out of yours.
Peace
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yes, yes, yes.....
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On 2005-03-30 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you said it all. job well done Thank you. You are right all the support staff got the shitty pay but yet that is what kept the school going. If it was not for the Kitchen,Maint, Nightstaff and other support staff the counsolors would have not been able to do there job. Thank you for your post. We all new that Cedu did not care if you were getting paid $7.00 per hour to stay up all night or un stop camods. The problem was the Department Heads never stood up for us pee ons. We were told to keep are mouth shut if we wanted to keep our jobs. What a shitty place to work. We can do better on Unemployment and get re-trained to make more money. So I beleive Cedu did us a favor in a way. Maybe we needed this push to make a better life for ourselves and our families. Good luck. "
Yes, best possible solution. No human being, especially an injured child, deserves to be trapped in a toxic environment. Good luck and blessings to you.
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On 2005-03-30 21:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What a joke you are!!!! ::mecry:: I am better than to want sympathy from anyone because I chose to work for CEDU you seem to want sympathy for your time there. c-ya would'nt want to be ya."
I see you're still behaving exactly how you did on the job. Berating children must be a hobby of yours or something. You should feel blessed that you got paid to do what you obviously enjoy so much.
This attitude is why CEDU is closed: IT'S (was) ABUSIVE.
By the way, if you ever tried to deal with me the way you dealt with those kids, I would stomp a fucking mudhole in your chest.
Powerless, hapless, hopeless, uneducated destroyer of children. Put that on your resume.
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Roy, if you saw so much tyranny and conformist activity at cedu, why did you stick around in such an oppressive work enviornment for 26 years? Why not start your own practice, where you are in control of the philosophy that is taught?
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On 2005-04-09 08:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Roy, if you saw so much tyranny and conformist activity at cedu, why did you stick around in such an oppressive work enviornment for 26 years? Why not start your own practice, where you are in control of the philosophy that is taught?"
Now THAT'S a good question...
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"And somewhere in there was springtime. The corpse mines were closed down.......
Birds were talking.
One bird said to Billy Pilgrim, "poo-tee-weet?"
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Why did he stick around? Cuz this poor SOB probably had nowhere else to go--I mean from his posts he doesn't sound very bright, sounds a little unbalanced in fact. Is he really even a therapist---or just a night watchman or something, he sure can't spell.
If CEDU is gone and I think we all agree that it is, why doesn't Roy say who he really is, after all there's nothing to fear now (since he was claiming that he couldn't identify himself for fear of CEDU retaliation).
And somebody said "he" might be a "she", does anyone know anything about that?
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On 2005-04-11 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why did he stick around? Cuz this poor SOB probably had nowhere else to go--I mean from his posts he doesn't sound very bright, sounds a little unbalanced in fact.
SAME OLD TIRED SCRIPT.....
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ever ask yourself why don't these annons say who they are? you know the bitches like this little homo who go around attacking everyone.
how could anyone take this closet fag seriously, especially when that turrets infested, impotent, retarded loser spends all day jerking off to his computer and wasting his parent's college tuition checks. can you believe that this sociopathic little bitch whose been attacking
Roy is actually prettending to be a serious art student somewhere? anyone want to take bets on this freaks major? i bet it's painting,and like michealangelo, his interest lie in the male form!
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On 2005-04-11 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why did he stick around? Cuz this poor SOB probably had nowhere else to go--I mean from his posts he doesn't sound very bright, sounds a little unbalanced in fact. Is he really even a therapist---or just a night watchman or something, he sure can't spell.
If CEDU is gone and I think we all agree that it is, why doesn't Roy say who he really is, after all there's nothing to fear now (since he was claiming that he couldn't identify himself for fear of CEDU retaliation).
And somebody said "he" might be a "she", does anyone know anything about that?"
Maybe he stuck around because God wanted a Witness
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Which program did you work for?
On 2005-04-11 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why did he stick around? Cuz this poor SOB probably had nowhere else to go--I mean from his posts he doesn't sound very bright, sounds a little unbalanced in fact. Is he really even a therapist---or just a night watchman or something, he sure can't spell.
If CEDU is gone and I think we all agree that it is, why doesn't Roy say who he really is, after all there's nothing to fear now (since he was claiming that he couldn't identify himself for fear of CEDU retaliation).
And somebody said "he" might be a "she", does anyone know anything about that?"
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Since you ask: never worked for any program, had a sibling in a CEDU clone though, and we think it was a pretty good outcome overall, she's happy, healthy and about to enter med school, she showed me this site
I know a phony and/or a weirdo when I see one---there's something a quart low about "Roy", can't get my arms around it exactly but there's something not right there--just read his/her posts
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I disagree. You would have had to been there in one capacity or another to know that Roy makes perfect sense. I have read his posts and I admire his integrity, compassion, and dedication to truth.
I am connected to a sibling who thinks her sib has never been the same since cedu. Her sib is doing well, too, considering.....
Isn't it great that you and I are free to disagree without fear?
On 2005-04-12 12:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Since you ask: never worked for any program, had a sibling in a CEDU clone though, and we think it was a pretty good outcome overall, she's happy, healthy and about to enter med school, she showed me this site
I know a phony and/or a weirdo when I see one---there's something a quart low about "Roy", can't get my arms around it exactly but there's something not right there--just read his/her posts"