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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: wild thing on April 10, 2009, 11:11:29 AM
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On Monday, April 13th, Russ Decker goes to trial for beating up his stepson. The trial will be held at the San Bernardino Deptment F-16 at 8:30 AM The court is located onat 351 North Arrowhead in the sunny city of San Bernardino. The court case number is MSB 800905 and the D. A. case number is 2008-00-0006810. Anyone with any info to share (perhaps regarding your own Decker experiences) should contact the D.A.,Michael Stedman at (909)866-0176 in San Bernardino.
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Russ Decker's trial has been postponed until May 18th...anyone interested can still attend, or if you have any information regarding Mr. Decker, feel free to contact the D.A.
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This could get interesting.
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This could get interesting.
what was russ decker's role in cedu, exactly?
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The criminal complaint or court papers ought to be public record. Has anyone found them?
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I'm not 100% certain but it was something along the lines of him copping out in a propheet to beating some to death or inches from death. He never got caught for it.
Cedu never told the authorities about this crime.
This raises 2 important points.
Cedu was either
1. So blinded by their kool aid they felt they were above the law.
2. Or they didn't really give a fuck about kids' problems and probably thought the hardcore confessions were a bunch of jabberwocky they didn't need to pay attention to.
Either way it speaks volumes about cedu's warped methodology/philosopy.
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I'm not 100% certain but it was something along the lines of him copping out in a propheet to beating some to death or inches from death. He never got caught for it.
Cedu never told the authorities about this crime.
This raises 2 important points.
Cedu was either
1. So blinded by their kool aid they felt they were above the law.
2. Or they didn't really give a fuck about kids' problems and probably thought the hardcore confessions were a bunch of jabberwocky they didn't need to pay attention to.
Either way it speaks volumes about cedu's warped methodology/philosopy.
So Russ Decker was a student? Could someone provide me with some info about him? When was he as CEDU, etc.
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Yes.
Here is an excerpt from the following thread.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6516&p=60302&hilit=russ+decker#p60302 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6516&p=60302&hilit=russ+decker#p60302)
I'm the one that posted the gang rape and homeless burning stories about Russ Decker. Allow me to re-confirm that I personally heard both of these stories come from Russ's mouth in Raps while I was at Cedu-RS (1991-1992). I don't know if the stories are true or not (I did not witness the events), I only know what Russ told us.
courtesey of the search box in the upper right corner.
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I left before Russ Decker arrived at Cedu. But Serb, who came after me, would not prevaricate. Serb was very disgusted by the disclosures, shady pasts, and lack of therapeutic boundaries displayed by CEDU employees.
For me and others, it was very difficult to feel safe as a student, whether you are listening to staff disclose very specific masturbation practices, deviant sexual acts, or criminal acts. Many of us have survived trauma, and there was no way to feel safe in this environment. (Aside from CEDU's practices of humiliation and verbal abuse.)
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Yes.
Here is an excerpt from the following thread.
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... ker#p60302 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6516&p=60302&hilit=russ+decker#p60302)
I'm the one that posted the gang rape and homeless burning stories about Russ Decker. Allow me to re-confirm that I personally heard both of these stories come from Russ's mouth in Raps while I was at Cedu-RS (1991-1992). I don't know if the stories are true or not (I did not witness the events), I only know what Russ told us.
courtesey of the search box in the upper right corner.
So, Russ was a "student" who became staff?
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Affirmative.
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Affirmative.
Alright, that's just sad. Just really sad. The guy...I mean...he's a victim as much as a predator. Who knows maybe his parents refused to take him home after he was 18...What choice do you have at that point..No real choice. :heartbreak:
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It raises thorny and grave issues regarding autonomy.
Who's responsible for what and for how long?
How much is enough?
Does intent supercede consent?
When does benign become detrimental?
Why does detriment taste so sweet when it's baked into a salvation pie?
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It raises thorny and grave issues regarding autonomy.
Who's responsible for what and for how long?
How much is enough?
Does intent supercede consent?
When does benign become detrimental?
Why does detriment taste so sweet when it's baked into a salvation pie?
My sentiment is that under the circumstances, he is not "responsible" for his actions. Does that make his actions less reprehensible? No. If I Sovereign and I were to arraign the for- profit CEDU Torture Chamber association, he would not be a prime target.
What’s interesting is that witnesses that saw what was done to him while he was a detainee at CEDU would work for his defense, while detainees who witnessed him in action when he was a …well, you can’t really call him “staff”…a trans-detainee—disciple…. would be of use to the prosecution.
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No, I do not think the RMA Decker is same as Cedu staffer. CEDU staffer was 24 when in 90/91.
But whatever. I don't think t matters if he was a student. I'm sorry, his actions pre staff were reprehensible, and it is disgusting students were under the thumb of this person. To me, CEDU was a great place for sociopaths to run amok. A few horrific students became staff - but there was something wrong with them to devolve to that level. They got some sick kick coming into a poistion of power and terrorizing students.
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In the legal sense he's responsible.
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I was an older student at Cedu when Russ Decker started working there. From what I understood at the time, he went to the school in the early 80's and really wanted to come back and 'contribute' to the school that made him the man he is. He was definitely older than 24 at the time. There was about a decade gap between his being a student and starting his tenure as a staff. I remember it was about the same time that Luke and Sabro came on board. They give him a wide berth, probably realizing something was really off about him. On the other hand, he and Patrick Stambusky (aka McKenna) were great friends.
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RP
thanks for clearing that up. I remember they allowed decker to visit RMA in 89ish to display his coveted graduate wares - if not for just 1 last light.
remember how intense it was when a graduate showed up and did a last light.
You could taste the salvation and simultaneously feel the revulsion of their regression.
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Russ was always very proud to be an RMA graduate. He would take various guys who reminded him of himself when he was at RMA under his "wing". Not quite a Martin Weins, but they were good buddys. He was particularly virulent to females in his Raps. He was also fond of scape goating weaker students for their entire two years. Kids who came to CEDU as products of parental disfunction left far worse off after being on Russ Decker's team.
He left in a snit after he wasn't even considered for Dave Le Pere's job. He is now at a Christian Services Center counseling kids.
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Okay, now I am confused. How many Russ Deckers were there, which cedu were they at and when?
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Okay, now I am confused. How many Russ Deckers were there, which cedu were they at and when?
Ah, it is a challenge to distinguish between all the admitted child molesters and murders who served as guards and "therapists" at the CEDU "schools."
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No, actually, I meant it in the literal sense. There seems to be some discrepancy on this thread as to when he was where, and there was a mention of another Russ Decker who was not to be confused with the Decker mentioned in the OP.
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rumours are already half way round the world before the truth has finished tying his shoelaces.
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To clear up your confusion, Russ Decker was a student at RMA, first. After he graduated, he went to USC for one quarter, flunked out, drifted and then became a "counselor" at CEDU in Running Springs. He eventually moved up to team leader and then quit but he was there for over ten years.
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On the other hand, he and Patrick Stambusky (aka McKenna) were great friends.
The truth always comes out. Stuff was always going on with CEDU staff and graduate/staff. Drugs, sex, power. It's truly insane all the things that can happen in a Cultic parental outsourcing business.
FUCK CEDU SOME MORE.
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okay i'll repeat it just because... russ decker was a student at rma, later in his adult life he worked at cedu as a staff.... i attended cedu as a student from 2000 to 2002... and am not shocked he beat his child (step-child, like it matters) i remember as an older student sitting in raps while he would scream at the top of his lungs at me that my "tits" discusted him and he would then ask why i didn't take my clothes off and dance in the middle of the group, when i would be histarical screaming back how sick i thought he was and how much i hated him, he would then tell me to stick a gun in my mouth and not cop out this time.... i wish it was a joke or elaborated, but anyone that attended cedu knows the intensity of the raps and the program, russ was a huge advocate of "anger work" and swore by it, because it had "helped" him so much with his "anger" or so he says.... so if you didn't participate in "anger work" he would say your not doing your work and just dig and dig and dig and push and push and push you until you snapped.....
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feel free to send any info regarding your ex[erieinces to the D.A. listed at the beginning of this thread.
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Yes Russ went to RMA and then was staff in RS. He was my teamleader for 2 years. He overcame the shit and his past as far as i could tell and was a stand up guy. Not sure whats going on with him thesedays, I guess he reverted back to his violent ways if these accusations are true.
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I left before Russ Decker arrived at Cedu. But Serb, who came after me, would not prevaricate. Serb was very disgusted by the disclosures, shady pasts, and lack of therapeutic boundaries displayed by CEDU employees.
For me and others, it was very difficult to feel safe as a student, whether you are listening to staff disclose very specific masturbation practices, deviant sexual acts, or criminal acts. Many of us have survived trauma, and there was no way to feel safe in this environment. (Aside from CEDU's practices of humiliation and verbal abuse.)
It is nice to still be remembered after all this time. Thank you loli for your kind words about me.
-Son Of Serbia
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RMA Russ Decker and CEDU Russ Decker are one of the same. Russ was very full of himself as a camp counselor at CEDU...he was always using his RMA experieince as a plus (for him).
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At this very moment they are selecting the jury for his trial at the San Bernardino court house. Who in their "right"mind would think Russ is a "stand-up guy?" as posted previously mentioned? He considered beating his step son in his mother-in-law's house an intervention. That kind of warped thinking wasn't born overnight! He was always verbally abusing females in his raps and scapegoating weaker students...a "stand-up" guy as your team leader? Too much Kool Aide?
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I went to RMA with Russ Decker. I arrived at the end of June, he arrived sometime in September or October. He was in the peer group below mine, but after some serious ass kissing and looking good, he and a girl from that peer group were pushed up in to my peer group. By "my", I mean I was the oldest in the peer group.
He was a jerk from start to finish. Tough guy, came from Pasadena, CA so he's generally from the region of CEDU as far as I know. I am not entirely sure where Lake Arrowhead is to be honest.
Anyway, Pasadena is a football town and Russ was a fairly big guy who always bragged about beating people up, and he did tell the story of setting a homeless man on fire on several occasions so it is likely true. He loved to intimidate people and when he wasn't looking good for staff, he'd try and be authoritative or intimidating when he could. But his shit never smelled. He got away with everything, and as one of Caroline Wolfe's (staff member) pets, he was shielded from any trouble.
Because he got bumped up to my peer group, we graduated together. As I recall, he did not leave after graduation but stayed on as a graduate. Not quite a staff member, but I don't think he left. Later he became staff and was probably staff at RMA before going to CEDU. But I am guessing at some point he tried his hand at college as some have said.
He was all about image. He put on a really good show of having his shit together within fifteen minutes of arriving at RMA. Never got in to trouble, but most students saw the scary side of him often enough. Propheets with him just sucked because when you have to go around and around while everyone tells their life's dirt, he had no end of stories about all the cruel stuff he used to do to people before going to Idaho. That he is now charged with some kind of beating is no surprise. He was one angry, violent person and nothing RMA did was ever going to change that. He had a lot of practice being a look good, but when you don't change, eventually you get caught. Glad to hear he has been caught and charged. Sad that it was a child, and his own that wound up being the victim.
So yes, RMA Russ Decker and CEDU Russ Decker are one and the same. I would say in 1984 he was 16. So in 1991 he would have been my age as well, 23.
Caroline Wolfe and her husband-thing at RMA Randy Eide were both CEDU grads who also became staff. This is what happens in cults. Some cultists don't leave when it is over, they stay on, having drank so much Kool Aid they can't get by without it. And Caroline and Randy were two of the most abusive, insensitive, uncaring staffers at RMA during my time there. Both had their cliques of students they protected and used, while making life a living hell for any who were not in their special little group. That Russ Decker became a staff member after having these two as role models is not surprising. Jackie Guber, the daughter of 60 minutes star Barbara Walters, was also one of Caroline Wolfe's clique members. And Jackie went on to start her own little school up in Maine, and Caroline Wolfe as I understand it went along to help. Thick as thieves. I knew Jackie. She arrived in 1985 and I gave Barbara the tour.
One can only hope Russ Decker gets convicted. Any conviction with a sentence could make up a little for all the hurt he has caused others in his life.
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The Russ Decker trial continues. Please, please, if you have any information or can appear in San Bernardino, please contact the D.A. as noted at the beginning of this thread. Russ is still trying to pull the same goody-two shoes with the jury that he did as a student at RMA. All of the CEDU survivors could really use the help to finally put this bully in his place. Now is the time to join together and be free at last!
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I have already submitted a declaration and have spoken to the D.A., I believe I will be subpeoned, but I can only testify as to my experiences, with Mr. Decker anything else would be hearsay. CEDU Survivors UNITE!
Here is the information -again
San Bernardino Deptment F-16 at 10 AM <june 1st. The court is located onat 351 North Arrowhead in the sunny city of San Bernardino. The court case number is MSB 800905 and the D. A. case number is 2008-00-0006810. Anyone with any info to share (perhaps regarding your own Decker experiences) should contact the D.A.,Michael Stedman at (909)866-0176 in San Bernardino.
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I have already submitted a declaration and have spoken to the D.A., I believe I will be subpeoned, but I can only testify as to my experiences, with Mr. Decker anything else would be hearsay. CEDU Survivors UNITE!
Here is the information -again
San Bernardino Deptment F-16 at 10 AM <june 1st. The court is located onat 351 North Arrowhead in the sunny city of San Bernardino. The court case number is MSB 800905 and the D. A. case number is 2008-00-0006810. Anyone with any info to share (perhaps regarding your own Decker experiences) should contact the D.A.,Michael Stedman at (909)866-0176 in San Bernardino.
Did this trial get off to a good start as planned? Any news or commentary?
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Trial Results: INOCCENT! Thank God the judge and jury shaw through all the B.S and ruled with justice.
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Russ was found guilty of battery and possession of a deadly weapon. He was found not guilt of assault with a deadly weapon and aggressive entry..even though he entered with aggression...he eventually did leave. He will be sentenced on June 12th. I did testify about his rotten, nasty bullying behavior...hoped it helped.
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NO, HE WAS INNOCENT ON ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON WHICH INDICATES THAT KIM'S FAMILY AND FRIENDS LIED TO THE COURT, THE JUDGE AND TO EVERYONE ELSE.
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For all you asswipes that jump on a bandwagon, here are the facts...the battery that this Decker dude was convicted of consisted of grabbing his stepson by his shirt...because his low-life stepson was stealing from his own family...man a person's own home isn't safe...and the weapon was a billy clup that Decker brought along for his own safety after his stepson was suspected of taking a loaded shotgun...heyyy i don't know about you but , superman i am not...i would have armed myselt to the teeth is i suspected someone had a loaded gun...i wonder if anyone is concerned about the facts...to judge a person about behavior that happened over two decades ago, and then say vile, dugusting things without even knowing the facts needs to crawl back into the sewer where you belong...you people need to get a life...geez grow up and get over it...Cedu is dead.
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OH SO YOU ARE "GIA" I THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO KIM WAS OR WHO GIA WAS?
wild thing said;
I did testify about his rotten, nasty bullying behavior...hoped it helped.
YOU HAVE AND ARE COMMITING SLANDER AND YOU HAVE DISCUSSED TRIAL INFORMATION WITH A BLOG WHICH IS ILLEGAL IF YOUR IN A TRIAL AND RUSS DECKER WILL BE TAKING LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU. AS WE SPEAK ALL HAS BEEN PRINTED OUT AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. I GUESS I WAS CORRECT THAT ONLY A POT SMOKER THAT SHARES POT WITH THEIR SON WOULD DO SUCH THINGS. ALSO WE WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRIC "YOUR EMPLOYER" IS AWARE OF YOUR POT SMOKING AND GIVING MARIJUANA TO MINORS ALONG WITH ALL YOUR OTHER PROBLEMS. YOU SHOULD OF LET THIS GO AND NOW IS YOUR TURN JUDGEMENT IS COMMING TO YOU.....
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testing
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Where was Russ "innocent until proven guilty" belief when he was punishing kids in an institution which condemned them without such a trial? Your defense of him is in actuality a paradox, it condemns him.
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Russ Decker was found guilty of 2 out of the 4 charges brought against him. Guilty on battery and guilty on possession of a dangerous weapon. If u don't know what u r talking about, get the fuck off of this site JUDGEMENTONYOU (Christy).
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to innocentuntilprovenguilty, why would u bring a club to a gun battle? What an idiot Russ is!!!! If he had any brains at all, he would have just called the police and let them handle it. Russ will pay the price (natural consequences).
For all you asswipes that jump on a bandwagon, here are the facts...the battery that this Decker dude was convicted of consisted of grabbing his stepson by his shirt...because his low-life stepson was stealing from his own family...man a person's own home isn't safe...and the weapon was a billy clup that Decker brought along for his own safety after his stepson was suspected of taking a loaded shotgun...heyyy i don't know about you but , superman i am not...i would have armed myselt to the teeth is i suspected someone had a loaded gun...i wonder if anyone is concerned about the facts...to judge a person about behavior that happened over two decades ago, and then say vile, dugusting things without even knowing the facts needs to crawl back into the sewer where you belong...you people need to get a life...geez grow up and get over it...Cedu is dead.
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The reason Decker went to the mother-in-law's house was to try an intervention...he didn't want his step-son to wind up in jail...if you have ever been to jail you would know that it makes Cedu feel like Disneyland...if it was up to me i would have sent his low-life stepson to jail , where he belongs...the only thing Russ is guilty of is trying to save his step-son from a life of hell...he should have let him flush his life down drain...
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You are the Muk. All this slandering Bull Shit is riduculous. Don't you think all the staff who are mandated to report any trouble would have lost their licenses? this slander is not about Russ or any other staff at CEDU. CEDU and the staff are not involved at all here. This is just a few sick sad people who want to ruin other peoples lives to make them feel better.
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You are the Muk. All this slandering Bull Shit is riduculous. Don't you think all the staff who are mandated to report any trouble would have lost their licenses? this slander is not about Russ or any other staff at CEDU. CEDU and the staff are not involved at all here. This is just a few sick sad people who want to ruin other peoples lives to make them feel better.
"liscence". LOL. CEDU didn't have liscenced professionals. And decent professionals did report TORTURE and no one did anything
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To say that someone is on trial is not slander, it is public record and can be easily accessed. No part of my testimony was used here or even if I actually testified...just that I might be asked to testify...the trial information including the verdict is all on line and is public record...further what you said was libel as I am not a pot smoker, have not shared pot with my son, and further, my son is not a minor. Now what you said was isl libel, a much harsher charge, because you put it in writing. I also know who you are and a bit about your history...I would not be one to throw rocks when living in a glass house. Your ( and notice I use "your" as the possessive pronoun it is and not as the conjunction which is you're meaning you are) records are also public and can be accessible. What Russ did was wrong. What he did at CEDU was wrong.
The verdict is also public record.
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It is also libel to say that Russ' stepson was a thief. There was never a hearing. There was never a trial. There was a police report taken, but never any proof and, consequently, no charges were ever filed. I suggest you stop making libelous comments on a public forum unless you want to find yourself in a lawsuit. If I did indeed testify it was not given in detail here. Again, trials are public record, but false accusations are not. You need to slow down, take a deep breath and get on with your life...
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I GUESS EVERYONE ELSE HAS BETTER THINGS TO DO TONIGHT SO IT IS JUST YOU AND ME KID. SO HOW ARE YOU, DID YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY TODAY. HOW WAS WORK? WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR DINNER? DID A PART OF YOUR HOUSE BURN DOWN DURING THE FIRES? OR YOUR NEIGHBORS? I HOPE THIS SUMMER THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE FIRES. ARE YOU A CAT PERSON OR A DOG PERSON? DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL?
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Russ was found guilty of battery and possession of a deadly weapon. He was found not guilt of assault with a deadly weapon and aggressive entry..even though he entered with aggression...he eventually did leave. He will be sentenced on June 12th. I did testify about his rotten, nasty bullying behavior...hoped it helped.
Kudos to you, wild thing, for having the guts to state your piece as a matter for the public record!
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YOU KNOW AS I WAS GOING TO SLEEP I PRAYED FOR YOU AND THIS MORNING BESIDES MY COFFEE YOU WERE THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF. I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE A NEW FRIEND, I BET IT IS A BEAUTIFUL MORNING IN RUNNING SPRINGS. WHAT TIME DO YOU LEAVE FOR WORK?
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Russ was found guilty of battery and possession of a deadly weapon. He was found not guilt of assault with a deadly weapon and aggressive entry..even though he entered with aggression...he eventually did leave. He will be sentenced on June 12th. I did testify about his rotten, nasty bullying behavior...hoped it helped.
Kudos to you, wild thing, for having the guts to state your piece as a matter for the public record!
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It is good that Russ was convicted, however whatever sentence he's given won't be enough justice for all of the evil he has done. Still his conviction will be a matter of public record, something the Russ can't erase or hide. Maybe Russ could change his name like his loser
friend Patrick Stambusky (now McKenna) did.
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ARE YOU ON BREAK OR DID YOU GET OFF EARLY TODAY? SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A BAD DAY.
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does anyone know what russ' sentence was?
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It is also libel to say that Russ' stepson was a thief. There was never a hearing. There was never a trial. There was a police report taken, but never any proof and, consequently, no charges were ever filed. I suggest you stop making libelous comments on a public forum unless you want to find yourself in a lawsuit. If I did indeed testify it was not given in detail here. Again, trials are public record, but false accusations are not. You need to slow down, take a deep breath and get on with your life...
thank you for testifying.
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does anyone know what russ' sentence was?
According to wild thing (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27602&p=333363#p333321), sentencing will be the 16th or 18th.
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Here's the public record information: 30 days jail time, to be done on the weekends, beginning in July. 16 weeks of anger management classes. 3 years supervised probation.
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Here's the public record information: 30 days jail time, to be done on the weekends, beginning in July. 16 weeks of anger management classes. 3 years supervised probation.
Pffbbttt ... 'tis but a slap on the wrist!
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Here's the public record information: 30 days jail time, to be done on the weekends, beginning in July. 16 weeks of anger management classes. 3 years supervised probation.
Pffbbttt ... 'tis but a slap on the wrist!
I agree Ursus, although something is definately better than nothing. It is however comforting
to know that Russ Decker's conviction is now on public record, and that his abuse of a minor
is a documented fact. Perhaps a good sumaritan could find it in their hearts to forward this information to Russ's current employer, just to make sure they know how their "family therapist/counciler" deals with his own family. Personally, I like the idea of Russ spending
his next 15 weekends in Jail. I wonder how his employer and clientele would feel about this?
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Its offical Ross Decker is a filthy scumbagg. So filthy I didnt feel comfortable only using one g. I hope we see more of this happenening to anyone who had anything to do with helping that place stay open. You people should be ashamed of yourself for allowing these schools to get away with what they did.
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For the record: Russ got thirty days work release program not jail time, and three years informal probation, that is public record...geez try to get your facts right...i wonder what dwells in your closet...this site is for condemnation of Cedu and its off the wall programs and not for hidden agendas..stop with the personal attacks and get on, your words, with your life.
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For all you asswipes that jump on a bandwagon, here are the facts...the battery that this Decker dude was convicted of consisted of grabbing his stepson by his shirt...because his low-life stepson was stealing from his own family...man a person's own home isn't safe...and the weapon was a billy clup that Decker brought along for his own safety after his stepson was suspected of taking a loaded shotgun...heyyy i don't know about you but , superman i am not...i would have armed myselt to the teeth is i suspected someone had a loaded gun...i wonder if anyone is concerned about the facts...to judge a person about behavior that happened over two decades ago, and then say vile, dugusting things without even knowing the facts needs to crawl back into the sewer where you belong...you people need to get a life...geez grow up and get over it...Cedu is dead.
:twofinger: Fuck you, Russ! This must be you, right? Or, someone that sucks Russ's little dick.