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On 2004-05-22 14:28:00, Wildpony wrote:

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 I am trying to learn more about the group behind the petition to shut down Provo Canyon School. Does anyone know the organization?

By the way I am a writer doing research on this topic :wave: "

What's your name writer, who's to say you are for real? Is this Shane Johnson from the salt lake city weekly newspaper?

On 2004-05-17 12:54:00, Kiwi wrote:

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Statistically, it looks like many of these kids are primarily MOMMY MANDATED, meaning more mothers than fathers are using these programs to warehouse their children during their teen years.



Anyone have an opinion on this?

It could mean that a greater than average proportion of these kids have divorced parents ... and the courts favor the wife over the husband when it comes to granting custody.



Or it could mean that Daddy considers his parental responsibilities begin and end at the signing of a check."

Wait a minute here. Now I don't like my father and yea my mother sent me off, but she tried a shit load of other things before Provo Canyon School, the only thing my father ever tried was yelling at me and degrading myself and my family and beating me, at least my mother tried something different, I rather be mommy mandated than father mandated. I work in a family law office and I see how all this shit works, and you know what, it is not up to the lawyers on how it works out, it is up to the judges and those who run the mediation and the CPS counselors, it is not always easy, there are some horrible, horrible spouses out there, but you cannot do  anything, because they act well.

ah, okay, I understand now. And shed some 'light' on what exactly, I mean I can shed light on a lot of things, but that would take many moons.

Really? Sexually assualted? I mean I know that a lot of us were sexually harassed, but I guess I just never thought of staff sexually assualting the girls, then again anyone ever tried to touch me or my friends in the wrong way I'd just grab they're wrist and twist it so damn hard that I'd sprain it, then they'd leave us alone and they never said anything, I wonde why, but then again, I have only run into one guy like that really.

On 2004-05-02 17:48:00, cherish wisdom wrote:

"In responce to the anonymous parent who claims her son is doing so wonderful now with three exclaimation marks:

First of all, I don't doubt your sincerity. As a parent myself I was almost "sucked in" just as you have obviously been. You need to understand something - all of the kids there know that their parents are being seriously manipulated by the program. As you know you were sent a letter a few days after admission warning you of the manipulative letters and pleas you would receive from your child. I'm sure the first several phone calls home were also monitored by the therapist as was your first visit.  

There are some really smart kids who catch on real fast that they will be able to go home sooner if they just go along with everything. Obviously your son was not put in isolation for 6 months like some of those who refuse to be broken down. He went along with the program if he is going home in 3 months instead of a year.  

I've seen only a few parents who will admit that they made a huge mistake.  I made one - and I'm now learning just how abusive PCS can be.  

It's  hard to believe that any child comes out of there unscathed. Your son probably isn't telling you everything because he knows you will report it to the therapist and he will end up loosing out on the inside.  

I have heard reports from dozens of survivors. Your son must have  heard all of the screaming.  My child heard kids screaming in pain and terror night and day.  

This is one of the most abusive programs in the nation. It is where the leaders and founders of the abusive WWASPS programs learned their abusive methods of behavior modification.

As you know, PCS never lets on that they are practicing behavior modification on your child. There web sites and propaganda are extremely deceptive.  I know of other parents who were brainwashed by the therpists at PCS. This is a money-making institution. When the money or insurance runs out then suddenly your child is well enough to come home.  Perhaps your insurance ran out.

He'll just be peachy when he gets home - asking you if he can go to the bathroom or get a drink.

It was odd to have my 17 year old ask me if she could use the bathroom for several days.

What truly helped was something that is FREE. It's called AA and NA - where people who've been there help and support those who want to get clean and sober. Also lots of family support and love.  Provo Canyon School abuses children. They laughed when they were "taking down" my child in a violent human restraint that was more like and assault and battery.  There are some very warped staff at Provo Canyon School. The licensed people support their activity rather than discourage it.  

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein

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Yea, it was almost crazy to realize that after 26months I didn't have to ask anymore to use the bathroom, take a shower, get a drink of what, go to my room, have to be on my bed by a certain time and lights out by a certain time, not having to ask to watch t.v. etc... When I did this for a bit, my mother just looked at me like i was stupid or something, but it was just something that I was forced to do for the past 26months. I work at a camp during the summer and we have these wooden towers that lok out over all of the land we own and the local mountains, they call it the observation towers, but I refuse to call it that, the other term they use for it is the ob's towers, which I def. refuse to use, to close to home for me, to close for mental nightmares of my time in ob's rooms and abuse suffered in them. Then we call our certain camp site areas units, which I also refuse to call them, I use the given camp names to them, units, ugh, I even hated it when I had to use that word in math, anything associated with Provo makes me want to gag!

O, no worries hon. I just sit here and read bullshit that people say listening to Joe Nichols and I just love to bitch back at them, gives me something to do and a place to channel my anger that I have towards Provo, anyone who wants to pick a fight with me, they can, but I ain't just gonna sit there. I have been thrown on a concrete floor with a knee in my back crushing my lungs and someones knee of my kneck, someone sitting on my arms and then another sitting with they're knees on my legs, just to make sure I wouldn't move when given a shot of Haldol, all because I just yelled out loud in my frustrations in the ob's room trying to get my anger out, I've been told by a staff that they know I'm claustophobic and then was shoved by him into the ob's room and had the door shut on me. I have been publicly humilated by staff in the cafiteria yelling aloud that I was anorexic and bulemic, when I wasn't and am not, kid decided to tell a lie about me when I was new to get some trust for themselves to get off of level one. I've been shoved by staff and slammed into a wall for no reason, been bullied by them and threateded. Shit that people say here is nothing compared to all the shit that I and others have been through, so I am actually quite happy to have a excuse to slam someone. But I understand what you are saying. PCS is a child abusing facility that hides in the dark in a Mormon populated state, so people think that nothing can go wrong there, cause all Mormons are good people, right? Not the abusive Mormon staff that I had, although I have met some really cool Mormons before.  :grin:

On 2004-05-01 21:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Calling yourself Dark Hunter Hope is no different than posting Anon, if that's not your real name, now is it?



Sheesh, what's up with these psuedo-anons thinking they're so special b/c they have a nickname and hide behind a mask that doesn't look like a paper bag.  BFD!"

Man, shut the fuck up. You so lucky you ain't in front of my face, cause I wouldn't deal with your shit, so consider yourself punched. Fuck you. My name is Hope, I live in southern california, my friends call me Hunter, cause I am determined and let no one get in the way of my goals in life and I always find what I am looking for no matter how long it takes, and everyone has a dark side just like the moon, secrets that they keep, things they don't tell, that's what helps to make us who we are our character. I know who I am, I ain't wearing a goddamn paper bag over my head. So fuck you asshole. So yea, I am darkhunterhope.

Yea, she went to PCS, early 90's