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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 15, 2006, 07:17:15 PM
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There is no more forlorn sight in the world than one 75-foot tall lit-up billboard after another hawking lonely rooms and white bread food at the end of a long day of glare flashing off semis, afternoon tree shadows twitching the iris too fast, headlights to the left, red lights ahead, another off-ramp hawked with the same shit after the same shit. All the same shit. Noisy "grit" towns, and somehow, some long dead mountain man or farmer or native man's great great great great grandson is proud to have or hawk sign space to SCREAM in everyone's eyes about what they should really really buy, he's proud of the trucks and the interstates crisscrossing the land so a person can't walk out in peace anymore.
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It would be fun if there was a Billboard Dominoes holiday, or else Long Range Billboard Painting with paintball guns, or even a better sport, Slingshot Painting, like shoot off paper cups with different colors of paint in them.
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(http://http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/122903-ross.jpg)
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It would really be different and new if truck drivers started thinking to themselves - "Why am I driving from California to Connecticut with a truck full of lettuce to make money to feed my family? If only I had a garden, and a hill to put a house on, and some woods to hunt in, and some neighbors to trade with, I wouldn't have to be away from my wife and kids." Maybe they do, maybe they do. You never know. You never know when those truck drivers are going to tell the supermarkets full of fat people to fuck off, they'd rather be with their kids, grow your own god damn canned Spaghettios. Et fucking cetera. This country makes me want to scream! I make myself want to scream! I'm leaving! I hate you! I'm slamming the door behind me! Fuck Off America!
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So, what are you suggesting? That everyone quit their jobs and move to commune where they can grow their own veggies, hunt their own meat and make their own clothes? Should the entire country go back to the barter system? America is fucked up. Walmarts and 7-11s everywhere, but not everyone in suburbia is selfish, clueless and evil. I'm finally getting to a point in my life where I actually enjoy it. I like getting up and having my coffee with a little vanilla, reading the paper or a book, walking the dogs with my neighbors and buying stupid little meaningless crap to put in my kids' stockings just cuz it'll make them feel good. I like being able to run to the supermarket and get toilet paper if I need it.
Extremism on either side is unhealthy, IMO.
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I would agree with all that you said anne. Except for the Vanilla in coffee. Now that is just wrong! :D
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I would agree with all that you said anne. Except for the Vanilla in coffee. Now that is just wrong! :D
Translates to: Please help me. I am clueless.
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So, what are you suggesting? That everyone quit their jobs and move to commune where they can grow their own veggies, hunt their own meat and make their own clothes? Should the entire country go back to the barter system? America is fucked up. Walmarts and 7-11s everywhere, but not everyone in suburbia is selfish, clueless and evil. I'm finally getting to a point in my life where I actually enjoy it. I like getting up and having my coffee with a little vanilla, reading the paper or a book, walking the dogs with my neighbors and buying stupid little meaningless crap to put in my kids' stockings just cuz it'll make them feel good. I like being able to run to the supermarket and get toilet paper if I need it.
Extremism on either side is unhealthy, IMO.
Yes! What?s wrong isn?t materialism per se, but the wrong kind of materialism. Ghey materialism!
I am against the brainwash that says more of what they sell will make you happier.
It?s too late to return to nature; to dismantle technology would be false extremism.
Technology can serve us; it?s just that authority should be disseminated.
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Yes! What?s wrong isn?t materialism per se, but the wrong kind of materialism. Ghey materialism!
I am against the brainwash that says more of what they sell will make you happier.
It?s too late to return to nature; to dismantle technology would be false extremism.
Technology can serve us; it?s just that authority should be disseminated.
Me too, I guess it's just a matter of what you consider to be trash and what you think is valuable. Most of what society offers is trash, but I guess I'm trying to learn how to live in it and live with myself. I spent way too long feeling like shit and I really don't want to have to feel guilty for feeling good. Does that make sense or am I drunk?
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Does that make sense or am I drunk?
Ask me again in the morning. :D
-Froderik
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The Navajo loves Crapple and wanted me to join their tribe..But they said I couldn't leave the tee-pee during peyote cerimonies..
And then when one of the drunk indains chopped off another ones legs with an axe I thought, "fuck this, I wanna be a cowboy".. They still have Crapple dopecop stickers on their trucks though..
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But a person can't legally leave society and return to nature without paying for that anyway..
Got to have a license to hunt..
Got to have a license to fish..
Got to pay property tax on that garden..
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Yeah, they get you coming & going.
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They keep collecting is what it is... Most know the sad sickening truth.. Money will buy ANYTHING.. Just ask Micheal Jackson and Oj Simpson..
EVERYTHING is taxed (even death) except lawsuit awards.. That's cause attorneys make legislation..
In truth Attorneys commit more malpractice than doctors or any other profession by a longshot.. But finding an attorney that will sue another attorney only happens on TV..
Tom Morgans Attorney fees for murder defense in Midland, TX
$5000.00 to take case
$15000.00 to actually read case
$25000.00 for light punishment plea
$40000.00 guaranteed aquittal or dismissal..(how much of that goes to the judge and DA??) that's pretty cheap actually for a guaranteed walk on murder..
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That's cause attorneys make legislation.
Perhaps this should change?
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So, what are you suggesting? That everyone quit their jobs and move to commune where they can grow their own veggies, hunt their own meat and make their own clothes? Should the entire country go back to the barter system? America is fucked up. Walmarts and 7-11s everywhere, but not everyone in suburbia is selfish, clueless and evil.
Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too. I wonder what ever happened to the Princess Tierra deWashitaw de Dugdemound Ya! I met her and her personal assitant once a PR op when they discovered the foundation of a trading post at the mouth of the Miami River. Colorful character, she was too! She was pushing to claim the Louisianna Purchase as sole known living heir to the guy who never did collect the $23 for it.
Extremism on either side is unhealthy, IMO.
One man's extremism is another man's highly prized diversity.
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
So are us ETs......
I've got a green card; it matches my face.
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic.
How about Tire Ranches?
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Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't?
You didn't. Anon implied it by sayng they hate America and are going off the grid. The more time I spend out here and further out from here, the more I realize that a LOT of America is really very, very different in lifestyle and philosophy from your typical Walmart customer or employee.
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You didn't. Anon implied it by sayng they hate America and are going off the grid. The more time I spend out here and further out from here, the more I realize that a LOT of America is really very, very different in lifestyle and philosophy from your typical Walmart customer or employee.
So there's hope? :D
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Hell yeah there's hope! I don't know why you'd want to live in Naziland like that, but to each his own. I just think it's silly when people say "I hate America, I'm gonna go off in the hills/desert/sticks/tundra or whatever and live independently." You might just as well say "I'm going back to America!" cause that's what this experiment is all about. Ok, it's not silly, really, it kind of ticks me off how the entire concept of what America is all about has been coopted in the minds of so many. Fucking Wally World pretending to be American patriotism manifest when 90% of their cheap plastic shit is made in China... or Korea, for that matter.
And yeah, Gook, I hope you make it back home real soon.
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I don't know why you'd want to live in Naziland like that, but to each his own.
I don't see myself as living in Naziland and the aspects I do find disturbing, I try and do something about. But to each his own I guess.
I just think it's silly when people say "I hate America, I'm gonna go off in the hills/desert/sticks/tundra or whatever and live independently."
Me too. I don't think I said that. I have said before that I'd like to find some deserted little island somewhere to anchor my boat off of. Yep, you bet. I'd do it in a heartbeat, but for a variety of reasons. Certainly not because I hate America....I don't. I'm just getting old and cranky and stupid people piss me off.
You might just as well say "I'm going back to America!" cause that's what this experiment is all about. Ok, it's not silly, really, it kind of ticks me off how the entire concept of what America is all about has been coopted in the minds of so many. Fucking Wally World pretending to be American patriotism manifest when 90% of their cheap plastic shit is made in China... or Korea, for that matter.
Agreed.
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So, what are you suggesting? That everyone quit their jobs and move to commune where they can grow their own veggies, hunt their own meat and make their own clothes? Should the entire country go back to the barter system? America is fucked up. Walmarts and 7-11s everywhere, but not everyone in suburbia is selfish, clueless and evil. I'm finally getting to a point in my life where I actually enjoy it. I like getting up and having my coffee with a little vanilla, reading the paper or a book, walking the dogs with my neighbors and buying stupid little meaningless crap to put in my kids' stockings just cuz it'll make them feel good. I like being able to run to the supermarket and get toilet paper if I need it.
Extremism on either side is unhealthy, IMO.
Pffffft.
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You people have an amazing ability to take a perfectly good piece of literature, misread it, reconceptualize it in the image of your own ignorance, and rebut without pulling your pants up to cover your ass.
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That's funny, but what are you talking about? I don't think people did anything like that on this thread.
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
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Hey man, I was just sticking up for America, that's all. I tell ya, I get out of the city and into the country and it's like coming home. It's off beat, off the grid and funky where I like to go. It's like Wally World couldn't possibly exist. I fucking love it. Now, yenz might think I'm leaving America cause of that, but I look at it the other way around. I think the cities abandoned America a long time ago and I'm going back there.
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One thing I always liked about the US was the contrast in people. mainly when i go there now, i just tend to meet people like me but with a different accent. But the thing i loved about travelling around America on a shoe string in my youth was the interesting characters that i would meet wwhen i went off the beaten track a bit.
i also fell in love with the dazzling array of consumer products. There was something about buying stripy peanut butter and jam in the same jar that was kind of exhilarating. So I suppose while there is something admirable about the true individualists that are a part of American culture, i fear i would not ever be one of them because there is so much cool stuff to buy.
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Hey man, I was just sticking up for America, that's all. I tell ya, I get out of the city and into the country and it's like coming home. It's off beat, off the grid and funky where I like to go. It's like Wally World couldn't possibly exist. I fucking love it. Now, yenz might think I'm leaving America cause of that, but I look at it the other way around. I think the cities abandoned America a long time ago and I'm going back there.
The scant remains of Woody Guthrie's home (just its foundation & some rubble) in Oklahoma stand in overgrown weeds.
To many people, Woody Guthrie was considered a communist and a shame to his own community.
Just because a lot of people think a thing doesn't make it right...
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
Right is right and wrong is wrong. When the tomato fields are sprayed with pesticides, it gets on the tomato pickers, it gets in the tomatoes, and it gets in the ground and the water. Then you take your tomatoes and your pesticided wheat and you make spaghettios, then you can them with mined metals, then you truck them using gasoline and oil and smogging up the air. So, while you are having a childhood reminiscence, living things are getting sick.
You can talk your therapy shit all you want, but why don't you think about the full spectrum ramifications of your actions. I don't think there are very many innocent people in America, living off the grid from all this. I am certainly not, but at least it frustrates me to no end, as it rightly should.
The more invisible the cruelty of the system, the worse it gets. I bet you didn't know that it is par for the course to spray fields while people are working in them. Not to mention the poverty and the child labor among the slave class agricultural laborers. Not to mention the inevitable inhuman conditions in the mines. Haven't you read The Grapes of Wrath? Personally, I think guilt is useful information coming from an instinct to be responsible for the effects of one's actions. Of course, if you had an extremely punitive experience where all your actions were harshly as well as nonsensically judged, well I think that's where your aversion to guilt comes from. But even if you don't want to think about other people and the fish, you might want to think about your drinking water, your liver, and your lungs.
I am speaking to "you" generally, seriously people, stop taking everything so personally. But again, right is right and wrong is wrong. On the other hand, the system is set up to perpetuate the system. If the family who picked your food lived next door to you and you saw them getting sick, you saw the kids in the fields instead of at school, if all the smog from your percentage of use of the trucking industry got belched out in front of your house, if all the pesticides from your percentage of use of the pesticide food industry ended up in your drinking water, if you at the very least had a webcam in each factory your goods come from so you could see each pale face and the long monotonous shifts in an above-ground hell, you would probably, humanly, care one way or the other and not feel that great about the money you give to perpetuate it.
When all is said and done, I am the most evil one of all. I don't really know how many Iraqi children are dead now to pay for my road trip. I turn up the stereo to hear the prophets, and I know, the war will end when I stop my car, get out and walk.
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
Right is right and wrong is wrong. When the tomato fields are sprayed with pesticides, it gets on the tomato pickers, it gets in the tomatoes, and it gets in the ground and the water. Then you take your tomatoes and your pesticided wheat and you make spaghettios, then you can them with mined metals, then you truck them using gasoline and oil and smogging up the air. So, while you are having a childhood reminiscence, living things are getting sick.
You can talk your therapy shit all you want, but why don't you think about the full spectrum ramifications of your actions. I don't think there are very many innocent people in America, living off the grid from all this. I am certainly not, but at least it frustrates me to no end, as it rightly should.
The more invisible the cruelty of the system, the worse it gets. I bet you didn't know that it is par for the course to spray fields while people are working in them. Not to mention the poverty and the child labor among the slave class agricultural laborers. Not to mention the inevitable inhuman conditions in the mines. Haven't you read The Grapes of Wrath? Personally, I think guilt is useful information coming from an instinct to be responsible for the effects of one's actions. Of course, if you had an extremely punitive experience where all your actions were harshly as well as nonsensically judged, well I think that's where your aversion to guilt comes from. But even if you don't want to think about other people and the fish, you might want to think about your drinking water, your liver, and your lungs.
I am speaking to "you" generally, seriously people, stop taking everything so personally. But again, right is right and wrong is wrong. On the other hand, the system is set up to perpetuate the system. If the family who picked your food lived next door to you and you saw them getting sick, you saw the kids in the fields instead of at school, if all the smog from your percentage of use of the trucking industry got belched out in front of your house, if all the pesticides from your percentage of use of the pesticide food industry ended up in your drinking water, if you at the very least had a webcam in each factory your goods come from so you could see each pale face and the long monotonous shifts in an above-ground hell, you would probably, humanly, care one way or the other and not feel that great about the money you give to perpetuate it.
When all is said and done, I am the most evil one of all. I don't really know how many Iraqi children are dead now to pay for my road trip. I turn up the stereo to hear the prophets, and I know, the war will end when I stop my car, get out and walk.
Ok...where exactly are you living??? The world has been full of things that never should have been..since, well the begining of time...so how is it wrong to try and live the best life you can in the world that exists TODAY?? Come on now... you can listen to all the "prophets" on the radio you want.. but that does not change
the fact that we are all here trying to do the best we can. If that means you grow your own food and make your own clothes, well than go for it if that's what you want, but if I choose to live my life the way I see fit...who are you to judge?
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Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
Thanks, I'm trying.
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Ok...where exactly are you living??? The world has been full of things that never should have been..since, well the begining of time...so how is it wrong to try and live the best life you can in the world that exists TODAY?? Come on now... you can listen to all the "prophets" on the radio you want.. but that does not change
the fact that we are all here trying to do the best we can. If that means you grow your own food and make your own clothes, well than go for it if that's what you want, but if I choose to live my life the way I see fit...who are you to judge?
Yeah, that was my point too. It just came across as saying that anyone who lives out here in suburbia is just an asshole.
And as far as sticking up for America, who was attacking it?
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Ok...where exactly are you living??? The world has been full of things that never should have been..since, well the begining of time...so how is it wrong to try and live the best life you can in the world that exists TODAY?? Come on now... you can listen to all the "prophets" on the radio you want.. but that does not change
the fact that we are all here trying to do the best we can. If that means you grow your own food and make your own clothes, well than go for it if that's what you want, but if I choose to live my life the way I see fit...who are you to judge?
Yeah, that was my point too. It just came across as saying that anyone who lives out here in suburbia is just an asshole.
And as far as sticking up for America, who was attacking it?
who is attacking america? YOu fucking know who. It is the god damn liberal homosexual agenda. War on christians!!
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
Right is right and wrong is wrong. When the tomato fields are sprayed with pesticides, it gets on the tomato pickers, it gets in the tomatoes, and it gets in the ground and the water. Then you take your tomatoes and your pesticided wheat and you make spaghettios, then you can them with mined metals, then you truck them using gasoline and oil and smogging up the air. So, while you are having a childhood reminiscence, living things are getting sick.
You can talk your therapy shit all you want, but why don't you think about the full spectrum ramifications of your actions. I don't think there are very many innocent people in America, living off the grid from all this. I am certainly not, but at least it frustrates me to no end, as it rightly should.
The more invisible the cruelty of the system, the worse it gets. I bet you didn't know that it is par for the course to spray fields while people are working in them. Not to mention the poverty and the child labor among the slave class agricultural laborers. Not to mention the inevitable inhuman conditions in the mines. Haven't you read The Grapes of Wrath? Personally, I think guilt is useful information coming from an instinct to be responsible for the effects of one's actions. Of course, if you had an extremely punitive experience where all your actions were harshly as well as nonsensically judged, well I think that's where your aversion to guilt comes from. But even if you don't want to think about other people and the fish, you might want to think about your drinking water, your liver, and your lungs.
I am speaking to "you" generally, seriously people, stop taking everything so personally. But again, right is right and wrong is wrong. On the other hand, the system is set up to perpetuate the system. If the family who picked your food lived next door to you and you saw them getting sick, you saw the kids in the fields instead of at school, if all the smog from your percentage of use of the trucking industry got belched out in front of your house, if all the pesticides from your percentage of use of the pesticide food industry ended up in your drinking water, if you at the very least had a webcam in each factory your goods come from so you could see each pale face and the long monotonous shifts in an above-ground hell, you would probably, humanly, care one way or the other and not feel that great about the money you give to perpetuate it.
When all is said and done, I am the most evil one of all. I don't really know how many Iraqi children are dead now to pay for my road trip. I turn up the stereo to hear the prophets, and I know, the war will end when I stop my car, get out and walk.
Ok...where exactly are you living??? The world has been full of things that never should have been..since, well the begining of time...so how is it wrong to try and live the best life you can in the world that exists TODAY?? Come on now... you can listen to all the "prophets" on the radio you want.. but that does not change
the fact that we are all here trying to do the best we can. If that means you grow your own food and make your own clothes, well than go for it if that's what you want, but if I choose to live my life the way I see fit...who are you to judge?
Zoiks alive, that's a lot of question marks. You two are getting tiresome. Why don't you go bother Edward Abbey with how personally you want to take everything and how much you can't comprehend literature, pollution, exploitation and Bob Marley.
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Thanks, I think I'll do that!
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
Right is right and wrong is wrong. When the tomato fields are sprayed with pesticides, it gets on the tomato pickers, it gets in the tomatoes, and it gets in the ground and the water. Then you take your tomatoes and your pesticided wheat and you make spaghettios, then you can them with mined metals, then you truck them using gasoline and oil and smogging up the air. So, while you are having a childhood reminiscence, living things are getting sick.
You can talk your therapy shit all you want, but why don't you think about the full spectrum ramifications of your actions. I don't think there are very many innocent people in America, living off the grid from all this. I am certainly not, but at least it frustrates me to no end, as it rightly should.
The more invisible the cruelty of the system, the worse it gets. I bet you didn't know that it is par for the course to spray fields while people are working in them. Not to mention the poverty and the child labor among the slave class agricultural laborers. Not to mention the inevitable inhuman conditions in the mines. Haven't you read The Grapes of Wrath? Personally, I think guilt is useful information coming from an instinct to be responsible for the effects of one's actions. Of course, if you had an extremely punitive experience where all your actions were harshly as well as nonsensically judged, well I think that's where your aversion to guilt comes from. But even if you don't want to think about other people and the fish, you might want to think about your drinking water, your liver, and your lungs.
I am speaking to "you" generally, seriously people, stop taking everything so personally. But again, right is right and wrong is wrong. On the other hand, the system is set up to perpetuate the system. If the family who picked your food lived next door to you and you saw them getting sick, you saw the kids in the fields instead of at school, if all the smog from your percentage of use of the trucking industry got belched out in front of your house, if all the pesticides from your percentage of use of the pesticide food industry ended up in your drinking water, if you at the very least had a webcam in each factory your goods come from so you could see each pale face and the long monotonous shifts in an above-ground hell, you would probably, humanly, care one way or the other and not feel that great about the money you give to perpetuate it.
When all is said and done, I am the most evil one of all. I don't really know how many Iraqi children are dead now to pay for my road trip. I turn up the stereo to hear the prophets, and I know, the war will end when I stop my car, get out and walk.
Ok...where exactly are you living??? The world has been full of things that never should have been..since, well the begining of time...so how is it wrong to try and live the best life you can in the world that exists TODAY?? Come on now... you can listen to all the "prophets" on the radio you want.. but that does not change
the fact that we are all here trying to do the best we can. If that means you grow your own food and make your own clothes, well than go for it if that's what you want, but if I choose to live my life the way I see fit...who are you to judge?
Zoiks alive, that's a lot of question marks. You two are getting tiresome. Why don't you go bother Edward Abbey with how personally you want to take everything and how much you can't comprehend literature, pollution, exploitation and Bob Marley.
Zoiks..go back and reread your posts. It might give you a bit more clarity :roll:
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Those communes and hillbillys and injuns are part of America too.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
Anne Bonney,
From reading your posts I'd say you seem to be doing a fine job of finding your own peace. A big part of being able to do that....in my opinion.. is by not allowing other people to tell you what is right or wrong within your own life...so props to you for not allowing certain people on this board to do that.
I, like you, choose to live the best life I can in the world that exists today....not a perfect world...but one I'm grateful to wake up to everyday!
Right is right and wrong is wrong. When the tomato fields are sprayed with pesticides, it gets on the tomato pickers, it gets in the tomatoes, and it gets in the ground and the water. Then you take your tomatoes and your pesticided wheat and you make spaghettios, then you can them with mined metals, then you truck them using gasoline and oil and smogging up the air. So, while you are having a childhood reminiscence, living things are getting sick.
You can talk your therapy shit all you want, but why don't you think about the full spectrum ramifications of your actions. I don't think there are very many innocent people in America, living off the grid from all this. I am certainly not, but at least it frustrates me to no end, as it rightly should.
The more invisible the cruelty of the system, the worse it gets. I bet you didn't know that it is par for the course to spray fields while people are working in them. Not to mention the poverty and the child labor among the slave class agricultural laborers. Not to mention the inevitable inhuman conditions in the mines. Haven't you read The Grapes of Wrath? Personally, I think guilt is useful information coming from an instinct to be responsible for the effects of one's actions. Of course, if you had an extremely punitive experience where all your actions were harshly as well as nonsensically judged, well I think that's where your aversion to guilt comes from. But even if you don't want to think about other people and the fish, you might want to think about your drinking water, your liver, and your lungs.
I am speaking to "you" generally, seriously people, stop taking everything so personally. But again, right is right and wrong is wrong. On the other hand, the system is set up to perpetuate the system. If the family who picked your food lived next door to you and you saw them getting sick, you saw the kids in the fields instead of at school, if all the smog from your percentage of use of the trucking industry got belched out in front of your house, if all the pesticides from your percentage of use of the pesticide food industry ended up in your drinking water, if you at the very least had a webcam in each factory your goods come from so you could see each pale face and the long monotonous shifts in an above-ground hell, you would probably, humanly, care one way or the other and not feel that great about the money you give to perpetuate it.
When all is said and done, I am the most evil one of all. I don't really know how many Iraqi children are dead now to pay for my road trip. I turn up the stereo to hear the prophets, and I know, the war will end when I stop my car, get out and walk.
Ok...where exactly are you living??? The world has been full of things that never should have been..since, well the begining of time...so how is it wrong to try and live the best life you can in the world that exists TODAY?? Come on now... you can listen to all the "prophets" on the radio you want.. but that does not change
the fact that we are all here trying to do the best we can. If that means you grow your own food and make your own clothes, well than go for it if that's what you want, but if I choose to live my life the way I see fit...who are you to judge?
Zoiks alive, that's a lot of question marks. You two are getting tiresome. Why don't you go bother Edward Abbey with how personally you want to take everything and how much you can't comprehend literature, pollution, exploitation and Bob Marley.
Zoiks..go back and reread your posts. It might give you a bit more clarity :roll:
Stand me up, sit me down, what do you people want from me? Oh right, the same old thing. Fuck off.
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Stand me up, sit me down, what do you people want from me? Oh right, the same old thing. Fuck off.
Not a goddamn thing, but to be left alone would be a nice start. Take your pathetic, self-righteous attempts at guilt tripping me into some kooked-out ideology that you worship as a means of pissing off your parents and stick it up your ass.
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Stand me up, sit me down, what do you people want from me? Oh right, the same old thing. Fuck off.
Not a goddamn thing, but to be left alone would be a nice start. Take your pathetic, self-righteous attempts at guilt tripping me into some kooked-out ideology that you worship as a means of pissing off your parents and stick it up your ass.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
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Edward Abbey. Great writer and an anarchist as well, but he's dead now.
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Stand me up, sit me down, what do you people want from me? Oh right, the same old thing. Fuck off.
Not a goddamn thing, but to be left alone would be a nice start. Take your pathetic, self-righteous attempts at guilt tripping me into some kooked-out ideology that you worship as a means of pissing off your parents and stick it up your ass.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Just out of curiousity, have either of you ever worked in an auto parts manufacturing factory?
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Stand me up, sit me down, what do you people want from me? Oh right, the same old thing. Fuck off.
Not a goddamn thing, but to be left alone would be a nice start. Take your pathetic, self-righteous attempts at guilt tripping me into some kooked-out ideology that you worship as a means of pissing off your parents and stick it up your ass.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Just out of curiousity, have either of you ever worked in an auto parts manufacturing factory?
what makes you ask...the stick it up your ass part?
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You mean how rich USAmericans don't mind as consumers paying money to stick it up the ass of the lowest class that makes all the shit they buy and picks and processes the food they eat?
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You mean how rich USAmericans don't mind as consumers paying money to stick it up the ass of the lowest class that makes all the shit they buy and picks and processes the food they eat?
When assholes like you get on your high horse and act like you have the only moral perspective, it doesn't help your cause any. In fact, it hurts it when you pontificate about the "evils of the American consumer" as if somehow people wanted to screw over the underclasses. Most people are doing the best they can to survive, to put food on the table for their kids and themselves, and when some overprivelidged, halfwit makes a blanket statement naming them as responsible for the oppression of the working class (whom you have also succeeded in offending with your smug condescension), it tends to turen them off of any valid point you may have had a chance of making.. Arrpgant know-it-alls like yourself are as bad as the religious right or Muslim fundies- like these types (with whom you have more in common thn thay or you would cre to admit) you want to tell everybody how to live and what to do. I, for one, have been doing OK without your guidance, and I suppose there are many others who can say the same.
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I don't know what you are talking about. Try educating yourself. It's the truth. What I am mostly referring to is the chemical and agricultural business. It poisons people, and a lot of the people it poisons are children. That's just a fact, although for whatever reason you think it means nothing. Now I will tell you that I have, in fact, worked in an auto parts manufacturing factory, and I will tell you that there was a different benefits structure for the white collar vs. the blue collar employees. The white collar people put together schedules and projects, and when it was time to repaint the inside of the factory, they just painted right over the heads of everybody working, nice fresh toxic concrete wall paint. The blue collar workers get shafted at retirement time. They have metal shavings, oil spray and etc all over them every day. Piss off about overprivileged, Anne Bonney has a fucking yacht. She can pay more and make some effort to buy organic and/or local food because it really does fucking matter and if you don't know that and I do, it also doesn't have anything to do with overprivileged. Your I.Q. could make you over a hundred grand a year, at least, if you ever bothered to use it, and you have enough money to shoot up, freebase, etc, that is, if you are who I think you are. What really happened on this thread is that I said some things at the start of the thread that for no fault of my own hit a personal nerve on Anne Bonney. Have your stupid spaghettios, bitch. Don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat and complain about how I knocked your canned food around. You leave me the fuck alone. There's your clarity for you.
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Not signing in anymore??
I don't know what you are talking about. Try educating yourself. It's the truth. What I am mostly referring to is the chemical and agricultural business. It poisons people, and a lot of the people it poisons are children. That's just a fact, although for whatever reason you think it means nothing. Now I will tell you that I have, in fact, worked in an auto parts manufacturing factory, and I will tell you that there was a different benefits structure for the white collar vs. the blue collar employees. The white collar people put together schedules and projects, and when it was time to repaint the inside of the factory, they just painted right over the heads of everybody working, nice fresh toxic concrete wall paint. The blue collar workers get shafted at retirement time. They have metal shavings, oil spray and etc all over them every day. Piss off about overprivileged, Anne Bonney has a fucking yacht. She can pay more and make some effort to buy organic and/or local food because it really does fucking matter and if you don't know that and I do, it also doesn't have anything to do with overprivileged. Your I.Q. could make you over a hundred grand a year, at least, if you ever bothered to use it, and you have enough money to shoot up, freebase, etc, that is, if you are who I think you are. What really happened on this thread is that I said some things at the start of the thread that for no fault of my own hit a personal nerve on Anne Bonney. Have your stupid spaghettios, bitch.
So, because I don't live my life according to how you[/b] think I should, I'm just overpriveleged and an asshole? It's not a "yacht" btw.....it's a 30 year old boat that we've put quite a bit of work into. That's what we enjoy. You enjoy growing your own veggies, making your own clothes etc. etc. I don't. As I said, the things I find disturbing about the world, I try and do something about in my own way. I don't go around publishing what I do so you have no fucking clue what I do or don't. Yeah, I guess you could say that it hit a nerve with me because I'm tired of feeling like you judge me and anyone else for either having a little bit of money (and I mean little, I'm not wealthy by any standards) or for not living our lives the way you want us to. You said "I don't know why you'd want to live in Naziland, but to each his own". A bit condescending I think.
Don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat and complain about how I knocked your canned food around.
Huh, what?
You leave me the fuck alone. There's your clarity for you.
Not a problem there. :roll:
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Anne Bonney led the life of a merry woman. In the end no one knows what became of her... :wink:
I reckon she was a rad lady. I wonder what she'd think of America today. People even buy 23.00 t-shirts to look cool in, which are nothing more than advertisements for corporations who are guilty of the exploitation of so much of the social caste systems of the world and much, if not all of the environmental degradation of the planet. I mean if your gonna decorate your clothes, put somethin really cool and unique on them. Paint your shirt yourself or sew somethin on it, like a spiritual anarchy patch. Don't let yourself become a human advertisement for slavery and oppression. The best thing people could do would be to never buy nothin. That would decentralize the economy and give power back to the locals. Of course, I am a hipicrite. But, such is life...it doesn't keep me from gnosis...from knowing. I grow what I can and I share-crop with my neighbor. I support local businesses first and buy organic when I can, but if I can't get what I want locally then I expand the search. Even though I don't make much money, I am willing to pay more for local products if I have to. Otherwise I am selling myself and my people out.
America the grotesque alright. Everything is for sale. Your very self is to be sold out from you. They say America is rich, but what is poverty, really ?? It is to be completely cut off from the land and the sea...to be at the mercy of those who would own you. America is like Rome once was after Caeser. America plunders the world and keeps dominion over it(George W. blatantly reveals this and makes it fairly plain to see). The Police state has taken root and is growing over us right now. Get up. Stand up, Stand up for your rights...
Each to their own, says I, but don't fuck with me.
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I don't know what you are talking about. Try educating yourself. It's the truth. What I am mostly referring to is the chemical and agricultural business. It poisons people, and a lot of the people it poisons are children. That's just a fact, although for whatever reason you think it means nothing.[/i]
You're right, I don't give a flying fuck. It's commoin knowledge that the chemical pesticides, etc. are no damn good for you. Don't eat it if you don't want to, enjoy them if you do. End of story. BTW, if we didn't use factory farming, there would be mass starvation, and many of those who starved to death would be children. So really, we're trading a few sick migrant worker's kids for the abilkity to feed everyone. Traditional farming techniques just don't yeild enough to supply the needs of the population.
Now I will tell you that I have, in fact, worked in an auto parts manufacturing factory, and I will tell you that there was a different benefits structure for the white collar vs. the blue collar employees. The white collar people put together schedules and projects, and when it was time to repaint the inside of the factory, they just painted right over the heads of everybody working, nice fresh toxic concrete wall paint. The blue collar workers get shafted at retirement time. They have metal shavings, oil spray and etc all over them every day.
This is news to you? The rich have been screwing the poor for a long, long time. I suppose by bitching at Anne Bonney and passing judgement on people you know nothing about will change all of that, though.
Piss off about overprivileged, Anne Bonney has a fucking yacht. She can pay more and make some effort to buy organic and/or local food because it really does fucking matter and if you don't know that and I do, it also doesn't have anything to do with overprivileged.
Anne Bonney overprivileged? Don't make me laugh. I know her and you, and I can definitely, without a doubt say that you are the more overprivileged of the two. Her "yacht" is a 30 year old boat that she has spent many many hours sweating and covered in engine oil and fuel, working on the boat. She and her husband have been working on it themselves whenever possible. She has been through a lot more shit than you have, and her troubles were REAL, not imaginary. She has had to put up with a lot more shit than you have, and has handled herself a lot more intelligently and maturely than you have. She does not receive money from her mother or the government. I have nothing but respect for her and how she has handled many of the repercussions from Straight that have made their way into her life. She has done so with a hell of a lot more class than you have ever shown, and she hasn't pissed off everyone she knows in the process.
Your I.Q. could make you over a hundred grand a year, at least, if you ever bothered to use it, and you have enough money to shoot up, freebase, etc, that is, if you are who I think you are. What really happened on this thread is that I said some things at the start of the thread that for no fault of my own hit a personal nerve on Anne Bonney. Have your stupid spaghettios, bitch. Don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat and complain about how I knocked your canned food around. You leave me the fuck alone. There's your clarity for you.
And your cunt could make you over a hundred grand a year...no, wait a minute, no it couldn't......
What I do with my money ( I usually turn it into sin, it's money well spent, how I get it, etc. are NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS. Again, your self-righteous pontification shines through, illuminating us all with the knowledge of what an overprivilged (there, I said it), obnoxious, spoiled brat asshole you are. Fuck off and die, the world will be a better place without you.
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Anne Bonney overprivileged? Don't make me laugh. I know her and you, and I can definitely, without a doubt say that you are the more overprivileged of the two. Her "yacht" is a 30 year old boat that she has spent many many hours sweating and covered in engine oil and fuel, working on the boat. She and her husband have been working on it themselves whenever possible. She has been through a lot more shit than you have, and her troubles were REAL, not imaginary. She has had to put up with a lot more shit than you have, and has handled herself a lot more intelligently and maturely than you have. She does not receive money from her mother or the government. I have nothing but respect for her and how she has handled many of the repercussions from Straight that have made their way into her life. She has done so with a hell of a lot more class than you have ever shown, and she hasn't pissed off everyone she knows in the process.
Aww shucks. ::kiss::
Seriously though, thanks for the kind words.
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I Piss off about overprivileged, Anne Bonney has a fucking yacht. She can pay more and make some effort to buy organic and/or local food
Who the fuck do you think you are? You have no idea about me. How do you know I don't and what the fuck do you know about my life?
Stupid bitch. Leave me out of your paranoid fantasies, will ya?
:roll: ::noway::
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Anne Bonney led the life of a merry woman. In the end no one knows what became of her... :wink:
I reckon she was a rad lady. I wonder what she'd think of America today. People even buy 23.00 t-shirts to look cool in, which are nothing more than advertisements for corporations who are guilty of the exploitation of so much of the social caste systems of the world and much, if not all of the environmental degradation of the planet. I mean if your gonna decorate your clothes, put somethin really cool and unique on them. Paint your shirt yourself or sew somethin on it, like a spiritual anarchy patch. Don't let yourself become a human advertisement for slavery and oppression. The best thing people could do would be to never buy nothin. That would decentralize the economy and give power back to the locals. Of course, I am a hipicrite. But, such is life...it doesn't keep me from gnosis...from knowing. I grow what I can and I share-crop with my neighbor. I support local businesses first and buy organic when I can, but if I can't get what I want locally then I expand the search. Even though I don't make much money, I am willing to pay more for local products if I have to. Otherwise I am selling myself and my people out.
America the grotesque alright. Everything is for sale. Your very self is to be sold out from you. They say America is rich, but what is poverty, really ?? It is to be completely cut off from the land and the sea...to be at the mercy of those who would own you. America is like Rome once was after Caeser. America plunders the world and keeps dominion over it(George W. blatantly reveals this and makes it fairly plain to see). The Police state has taken root and is growing over us right now. Get up. Stand up, Stand up for your rights...
Each to their own, says I, but don't fuck with me.
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There is no more forlorn sight in the world than one 75-foot tall lit-up billboard after another hawking lonely rooms and white bread food at the end of a long day of glare flashing off semis, afternoon tree shadows twitching the iris too fast, headlights to the left, red lights ahead, another off-ramp hawked with the same shit after the same shit. All the same shit. Noisy "grit" towns, and somehow, some long dead mountain man or farmer or native man's great great great great grandson is proud to have or hawk sign space to SCREAM in everyone's eyes about what they should really really buy, he's proud of the trucks and the interstates crisscrossing the land so a person can't walk out in peace anymore.
I dont like the highway much either. I also have an aversion to motels ( reminds me of bad times) prisons (yeah just drove across Texas) 9 foot tall state troopers ( see aforementioned)
So yeah I agree with your sentiment.
May I suggest some opiates ( RX'd and legal of course) and coffee for you, friend? Ok well have a vid then : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_OOOgz5 ... ed&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_OOOgz5pck&mode=related&search=)
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By the way all the fucked up food we eat and bad air will kill us all, fuck it...We all must die. You can eat all the organic veggies you want but it wont stop that stray bullet, or blownout truck, or madman from snuffing you out when the time comes.
I say "Get cancer and enjoy the pain meds...stop your worrying about death, its futile, bitches."
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Anne Bonney led the life of a merry woman. In the end no one knows what became of her... :wink:
I reckon she was a rad lady. I wonder what she'd think of America today. People even buy 23.00 t-shirts to look cool in, which are nothing more than advertisements for corporations who are guilty of the exploitation of so much of the social caste systems of the world and much, if not all of the environmental degradation of the planet. I mean if your gonna decorate your clothes, put somethin really cool and unique on them. Paint your shirt yourself or sew somethin on it, like a spiritual anarchy patch. Don't let yourself become a human advertisement for slavery and oppression. The best thing people could do would be to never buy nothin. That would decentralize the economy and give power back to the locals. Of course, I am a hipicrite. But, such is life...it doesn't keep me from gnosis...from knowing. I grow what I can and I share-crop with my neighbor. I support local businesses first and buy organic when I can, but if I can't get what I want locally then I expand the search. Even though I don't make much money, I am willing to pay more for local products if I have to. Otherwise I am selling myself and my people out.
America the grotesque alright. Everything is for sale. Your very self is to be sold out from you. They say America is rich, but what is poverty, really ?? It is to be completely cut off from the land and the sea...to be at the mercy of those who would own you. America is like Rome once was after Caeser. America plunders the world and keeps dominion over it(George W. blatantly reveals this and makes it fairly plain to see). The Police state has taken root and is growing over us right now. Get up. Stand up, Stand up for your rights...
Each to their own, says I, but don't fuck with me.
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I wonder how many of the people on this thread that keep talking about America the grotesque are receiving some type of government assistance......
hey, here's an idea...the next time your check comes, just rip it up!
Try not to be your own type of sellout and a hypocrite both at the same time eh?
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I Piss off about overprivileged, Anne Bonney has a fucking yacht. She can pay more and make some effort to buy organic and/or local food
Who the fuck do you think you are? You have no idea about me. How do you know I don't and what the fuck do you know about my life?
Stupid bitch. Leave me out of your paranoid fantasies, will ya?
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I never put you in my paranoid fantasies, you did. I don't know anything more about you than what I read here, and you have in fact bragged about your husband's large income and your yacht. You're the one who came on the thread and responded to my posts as though they were personal insults. The sound of your whine travels many miles. In fact, I think it's what they use to power the lights in the billboards.
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I Piss off about overprivileged, Anne Bonney has a fucking yacht. She can pay more and make some effort to buy organic and/or local food
Who the fuck do you think you are? You have no idea about me. How do you know I don't and what the fuck do you know about my life?
Stupid bitch. Leave me out of your paranoid fantasies, will ya?
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I never put you in my paranoid fantasies, you did. I don't know anything more about you than what I read here, and you have in fact bragged about your husband's large income and your yacht. You're the one who came on the thread and responded to my posts as though they were personal insults. The sound of your whine travels many miles. In fact, I think it's what they use to power the lights in the billboards.
You...have serious issues. If you don't like your life or the country you live in, then do somerthing about it. The only whining I hear is coming from you and it's filled with anger and envy.
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I don't know what you are talking about. Try educating yourself. It's the truth. What I am mostly referring to is the chemical and agricultural business. It poisons people, and a lot of the people it poisons are children. That's just a fact, although for whatever reason you think it means nothing.[/i]
You're right, I don't give a flying fuck. It's commoin knowledge that the chemical pesticides, etc. are no damn good for you. Don't eat it if you don't want to, enjoy them if you do. End of story. BTW, if we didn't use factory farming, there would be mass starvation, and many of those who starved to death would be children. So really, we're trading a few sick migrant worker's kids for the abilkity to feed everyone. Traditional farming techniques just don't yeild enough to supply the needs of the population.
{END YOUR RETARDED POST}
The end of the story is the illness of the consumer. The beginning of the story is someone's stolen land that corporate poison farmers took over. The middle of the story is a severely diminishing water table, toxic runoff, and laborer families exposed to concentrated toxins. I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional" farming techniques. It's corporate farming that throws away future yields. Read up on the issue, and then get back to us with a little less ignorance. Thanks.
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When I refer to myself as a hypocrite I am just admitting that I don't always practice my own philosophy. Sometimes I give up my hard line for the sake of getting along. Sometimes I compromise...there are few, if any absolutes in this life, most everything is somewhere in between the dark and the light. It's a tough world and I don't always do what's right. So be it. In the end I am my own judge.
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I wonder how many of the people on this thread that keep talking about America the grotesque are receiving some type of government assistance......
hey, here's an idea...the next time your check comes, just rip it up!
Try not to be your own type of sellout and a hypocrite both at the same time eh?
::nod:: :rofl:
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I never put you in my paranoid fantasies, you did. I don't know anything more about you than what I read here, and you have in fact bragged about your husband's large income and your yacht. .
I said that I was lucky enough not to have to work and I said that in response to someone calling me a loser who had no life. If you want to read into that that I was bragging, go right ahead.
What if it is a yacht (it's not, trust me), but what if it was? Why would that fact make me an asshole? And how do you know that I don't buy organic or local? How do you know that I don't contribute thousands of dollars to various local organizations? How do you know that I don't volunteer my time at local organizations? What fucking right do YOU have to judge ME? At least I ain't sponging off mommy and the taxpayers of America. I didn't even know those posts were written by you. Actually, I thought it might be Cassandra, as she referred to my "yacht" in another thread in Troubled Teen so it's got nothing to do with you personally. I'm just tired of whiners bitching about America while soaking it for all the SSDI they can. Grow up, get a job, stop sponging of my tax dollars and yo mamma you stupid, lazy, whiny assed, OVERPRIVELEGED bitch.
Maybe the next time RTP visits we can sit out on the aft deck of my yacht and toast our margaritas in your honor out of golden chalices, while burning $100 bills to light our joints off of. ::cheers:: :smokin: ::bandit::
::fuckoff:: ::both:: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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The end of the story is the illness of the consumer. The beginning of the story is someone's stolen land that corporate poison farmers took over. The middle of the story is a severely diminishing water table, toxic runoff, and laborer families exposed to concentrated toxins. I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional" farming techniques. It's corporate farming that throws away future yields. Read up on the issue, and then get back to us with a little less ignorance. Thanks.
So, I'll ask what I did at the beginning of this thread. What's your solution? Do we all give up our jobs and live off the land? What are YOU doing to fix this problem?
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I don't know what you are talking about. Try educating yourself. It's the truth. What I am mostly referring to is the chemical and agricultural business. It poisons people, and a lot of the people it poisons are children. That's just a fact, although for whatever reason you think it means nothing.[/i]
You're right, I don't give a flying fuck. It's commoin knowledge that the chemical pesticides, etc. are no damn good for you. Don't eat it if you don't want to, enjoy them if you do. End of story. BTW, if we didn't use factory farming, there would be mass starvation, and many of those who starved to death would be children. So really, we're trading a few sick migrant worker's kids for the abilkity to feed everyone. Traditional farming techniques just don't yeild enough to supply the needs of the population.
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The end of the story is the illness of the consumer. The beginning of the story is someone's stolen land that corporate poison farmers took over. The middle of the story is a severely diminishing water table, toxic runoff, and laborer families exposed to concentrated toxins. I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional" farming techniques. It's corporate farming that throws away future yields. Read up on the issue, and then get back to us with a little less ignorance. Thanks.
Learn to use the quote function properly, please.
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[stupidshitheadsaid]
Learn to use the quote function properly, please.[/quote]
Learn to fuck off properly, please.
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I never put you in my paranoid fantasies, you did. I don't know anything more about you than what I read here, and you have in fact bragged about your husband's large income and your yacht. .
I said that I was lucky enough not to have to work and I said that in response to someone calling me a loser who had no life. If you want to read into that that I was bragging, go right ahead.
What if it is a yacht (it's not, trust me), but what if it was? Why would that fact make me an asshole? And how do you know that I don't buy organic or local? How do you know that I don't contribute thousands of dollars to various local organizations? How do you know that I don't volunteer my time at local organizations? What fucking right do YOU have to judge ME? At least I ain't sponging off mommy and the taxpayers of America. I didn't even know those posts were written by you. Actually, I thought it might be Cassandra, as she referred to my "yacht" in another thread in Troubled Teen so it's got nothing to do with you personally. I'm just tired of whiners bitching about America while soaking it for all the SSDI they can. Grow up, get a job, stop sponging of my tax dollars and yo mamma you stupid, lazy, whiny assed, OVERPRIVELEGED bitch.
Maybe the next time RTP visits we can sit out on the aft deck of my yacht and toast our margaritas in your honor out of golden chalices, while burning $100 bills to light our joints off of. ::cheers:: :smokin: ::bandit::
::fuckoff:: ::both:: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Here's Anne Bonney showing more of her ass than she showed even in her first post on this thread.
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I wonder how many of the people on this thread that keep talking about America the grotesque are receiving some type of government assistance......
hey, here's an idea...the next time your check comes, just rip it up!
Try not to be your own type of sellout and a hypocrite both at the same time eh?
::nod:: :rofl:
...said the housewife with a yacht.
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I wonder how many of the people on this thread that keep talking about America the grotesque are receiving some type of government assistance......
hey, here's an idea...the next time your check comes, just rip it up!
Try not to be your own type of sellout and a hypocrite both at the same time eh?
::nod:: :rofl:
...said the housewife with a yacht.
Ah...here is where your radar is off, cause it wasn't Ms. Bonney who wrote this, but I do believe I have struck a nerve...must be a whole lot of truth here.
Tell me...how can you bitch and complain about America on just about every level...and then turn around and have your hand out for assistance?
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[stupidshitheadsaid]
Learn to use the quote function properly, please.
Learn to fuck off properly, please.[/quote]
SAid the obnoxious little brat that ries to get everyone into her little dramas
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I wonder how many of the people on this thread that keep talking about America the grotesque are receiving some type of government assistance......
hey, here's an idea...the next time your check comes, just rip it up!
Try not to be your own type of sellout and a hypocrite both at the same time eh?
::nod:: :rofl:
...said the housewife with a yacht.
Ah...here is where your radar is off, cause it wasn't Ms. Bonney who wrote this, but I do believe I have struck a nerve...must be a whole lot of truth here.
Tell me...how can you bitch and complain about America on just about every level...and then turn around and have your hand out for assistance?
"Cause she's special......she had it SO MUCH WORSE than you did, even though she was withdrawn after 6 months. Oh, yeah, just like Helen of Troy, she has thousands of guys stalking her 'cause she's so fascinating, and we should all feel privieged to be graced by her presence here. Wow, I hope she comes to my house with a van full of dogs. Oh, shit, if she does that then Mike Sherman's spies may show up soon afterwards......she's crazy, but that's not the issue. She's an abnoxious, rude, self-centered, spoiled brat who has been living off of her mom for most of her adult life while she bitrhces about what a cunt her mom is. Now that she's getting SSI, she will bitch about how shitty America is. It's not that she hates her mom or America, it's that she's an ungrateful, dependent bitch that thinks she is worth whatever effort is being made to support her (she isn't), and is resentful of whoever it is that she is draining, financially or emotionally. She's convinced that she is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but she's really hust an overgrown, obnoxious, hypocritical brat.
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[stupidshitheadsaid]
Learn to use the quote function properly, please.
Learn to fuck off properly, please.
SAid the obnoxious little brat that ries to get everyone into her little dramas[/quote]
You have the wrong anon; you are quick to jump to conclusions.
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Oops...i had it backwards, scratch that last post.
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...said the housewife with a yacht.
The housewife who has run her husband's business, raised two kids of her own and has partially raised two other people's kids (while receiving no compensation for, other than they're great kids) one of which is still living with her.....with a 34 year old boat (I went and looked at the vessel docs to make sure). :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: ::both:: ::fuckoff::
Fuck off you selfish little bitch. You have no idea who I am or what I have or haven't done with my life. Anon has got you pegged. You're a spoiled child and an attention freak.
Shoe fly. :roll:
edited for horrible grammar :oops:
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Here's Anne Bonney showing more of her ass than she showed even in her first post on this thread.
And it's a nice one too, isn't it? Come on, admit it, you liked it.
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Well folks, it looks like it's just my turn. This has happened with pretty much everyone who has been here for any length of time or had any dealings with her. She's gone off on Mike Sherman, Lisa, Mark and a few others. I'm just the latest focus of her anger and paranoia.
Like I said before, I have felt like shit for way too long. I'm finally finding some peace in my life and I've worked too fucking hard and I ain't about to let some spoiled, jealous little brat make me feel guilty about it. I do what I[/b] feel is right, not what someone else tells me is right...fuck that, I did that for too long and look where it got me. I help in the ways I want to help....the things that mean something to me. And I don't go around blowing my own horn about it so nobody really has any idea what I do or don't do. I'm happy, my kids are happy, my husband is happy (we just got back tonight from spending Christmas with his family in Ohio...first time his parents have had all four of their kids together for Xmas in almost 20 years) and I feel good about what I do with my life. If psychogirl or anyone else doesn't like it, too goddamn bad.
That being said.....I hope everyone (even her, although it's apparent she didn't) had a good holiday. I sure did.
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If I knew the way I'd go back home
But the countryside has changed so much
I'd surely end up lost
Half remembering names and faces
So far in the past
On the other side of bridges that were burned once they were crossed
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here
To get back home
Where my childhood dreams and wishes still out number my regrets
Get back to a place where I can figure on the odds
Have a fighting chance to lose the blues
And win my share of bets
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here
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If I knew the way I'd go back home
But the countryside has changed so much
I'd surely end up lost
Half remembering names and faces
So far in the past
On the other side of bridges that were burned once they were crossed
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here
To get back home
Where my childhood dreams and wishes still out number my regrets
Get back to a place where I can figure on the odds
Have a fighting chance to lose the blues
And win my share of bets
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here
Well..to begin with she starts her own website named Fornits silly! :rofl: :rofl:
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"IM RICH ,BITCH!!!!!" ~ Tyrone Biggums
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Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.
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Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.
It ain't Ginger, it's the crazy chick you know and love.........but don't worry, everyone still thinks you're loveable and shit......
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Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.
It ain't Ginger, it's the crazy chick you know and love.........but don't worry, everyone still thinks you're loveable and shit......
yeah....right. Thanks for clearing that up Ginger, er... I mean...guest. :rofl:
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Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.
It's not Ginger. At first I thought it might be because she's pissed at me about this goddamn boat too (wtf is it about this boat?:roll: ) , but I was wrong.
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No, Anne Bonney. Actually, what happened is that I made several posts that were just me writing about how I felt at the end of that day. Then you popped right up and tossed your canned food up in the air and had a "taking it personally" problem with what I wrote. You want to toss your spaghettios and your non-shade-grown morning coffee in front of my bat, at least appreciate how neatly I sent them flying with very little spillage. You and some other posters started abusing me as a survivor of traumatic abuse who really does have some problems with some things and does, finally, thankfully, get "crazy pay". I have in fact been very poor at times. I have done hard labor in shitty weather without the means to dress properly. Abuse can really get a person down, witness your own nervous breakdown a while back. How would you have survived without your husband's money to support you? When things fall apart, people turn to family. That is how it has been for thousands of years, only these days, some of us are lucky to have any kind of family to offer any kind of support at all, not like some places and times, where your third cousins twice removed would have taken in you and your brother and his wife and their eight children should the need have arised. In reality, when I woke up to a lot of things over the last couple of years, I had a lot to rearrange in my relationships, including with my family. The chips fell. Thank goodness I get disability pay. That's real, and you don't endear yourself well to many people who read this to slam me for it. There are many people who read this board who were in Straight who are on disability.
Now, as for your yacht and your wealthy husband, someone else started throwing the "overprivileged" argument around to shut me up for anything I had to say. I really am really frustrated with the "whole system". Straight was never my whole problem. I do see myself as "overprivileged", and I also see myself as stupid. I think pretty much everyone who can't, who couldn't, build a house from materials on the land and live off the flora and fauna of the land, is stupid. That's not really accusatory, or it's extremely accusatory, but I don't see any point in getting too very personally upset about it. Which is in fact what you started doing the first post you made on this thread, making it all about YOU. Get it, Anne Bonney? I'm targeting you? No, YOU are targeting ME. You don't like what I say or how I say it. But unlike in Straight when you got to gang up on me and make me change the way I said things and personally ridicule me, you can't shut me up. Whereas I have made some good points about whether or not people have enough money to spend it differently, you have resorted to digging your teeth into my flesh as a survivor of the same abuse that also traumatized you, and ripping me up for being on disability. Nobody knows the whole picture of my life and what happened to my mind in Straight and why traumatic child abuse to the very real extent of torture really does have a severe effect. When we were restrained, we were very immediately in fear for our lives. We couldn't breathe and our bones were forced sometimes past the literal breaking point. This was done systematically to break us psychologically. It really does count as torture. There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.
As for your other insults, I don't find them very clever. I don't really know if you have a yacht or not, but it's colorful and fun to bat around. I drive a spaceship, why don't you make fun of that? It would entertain people a lot more than your garden variety attack insults. I am no more "overprivileged" than RTP, our parents were in the same job/money/education strata, and I have probably actually had less money pass through my hands in my adult life than he. I mean, certainly a person could have a field day with how incompetent I am, but I try to take a kinder view of myself than I took a few years ago, because an unkind view doesn't really fix anything.
Some people know what I mean about the grotesque highways, and if they choose to respond with their own philosophies, at least we have begun on some common ground. Go back and read your initial response to my initial post, and then read some other people's responses. You make yourself sound very overprivileged. For a lot of people who live in your town, that morning cup of coffee at the coffee shop is not something they can factor into their budget. I've gotten "money from mom", but I've also been the kind of poor that chooses between band-aids and beans and tapes up gash wounds with a paper towel and masking tape. What can you get for 63 cents?
I suppose it was crass of all of us to discuss finances in public. [ hang heads in shame, or at least look sheepish ] But the people calling me "overprivileged"? Please. If things in this thread did turn into a rip roaring something or other, well, next time, don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat. I really like batting things around. It's not my fault if you don't understand what I am saying. Some people do, and I don't care to write a literary and philosophical explication every time I post for those who don't. I could say that it was rude of you to respond to what I wrote the way you did in your first post. It was at the very least a severe misreading. Who am I to judge you? I'm the O.P. I wasn't talking to you, and I wasn't judging you. You were talking to yourself and judging yourself and wanting me to answer questions that I really think you should answer for yourself. I think it's very nice that you do, in fact, care about some of the issues raised in this thread. I think we've all had a nice time discussing it. Now I think we can all retire to search engines and see if we can introduce some serious, verifiable information into the topic.
Bygones. :em:
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No, Anne Bonney. Actually, what happened is that I made several posts that were just me writing about how I felt at the end of that day. Then you popped right up and tossed your canned food up in the air and had a "taking it personally" problem with what I wrote. You want to toss your spaghettios and your non-shade-grown morning coffee in front of my bat, at least appreciate how neatly I sent them flying with very little spillage. You and some other posters started abusing me as a survivor of traumatic abuse who really does have some problems with some things and does, finally, thankfully, get "crazy pay". I have in fact been very poor at times. I have done hard labor in shitty weather without the means to dress properly. Abuse can really get a person down, witness your own nervous breakdown a while back. How would you have survived without your husband's money to support you? When things fall apart, people turn to family. That is how it has been for thousands of years, only these days, some of us are lucky to have any kind of family to offer any kind of support at all, not like some places and times, where your third cousins twice removed would have taken in you and your brother and his wife and their eight children should the need have arised. In reality, when I woke up to a lot of things over the last couple of years, I had a lot to rearrange in my relationships, including with my family. The chips fell. Thank goodness I get disability pay. That's real, and you don't endear yourself well to many people who read this to slam me for it. There are many people who read this board who were in Straight who are on disability.
Now, as for your yacht and your wealthy husband, someone else started throwing the "overprivileged" argument around to shut me up for anything I had to say. I really am really frustrated with the "whole system". Straight was never my whole problem. I do see myself as "overprivileged", and I also see myself as stupid. I think pretty much everyone who can't, who couldn't, build a house from materials on the land and live off the flora and fauna of the land, is stupid. That's not really accusatory, or it's extremely accusatory, but I don't see any point in getting too very personally upset about it. Which is in fact what you started doing the first post you made on this thread, making it all about YOU. Get it, Anne Bonney? I'm targeting you? No, YOU are targeting ME. You don't like what I say or how I say it. But unlike in Straight when you got to gang up on me and make me change the way I said things and personally ridicule me, you can't shut me up. Whereas I have made some good points about whether or not people have enough money to spend it differently, you have resorted to digging your teeth into my flesh as a survivor of the same abuse that also traumatized you, and ripping me up for being on disability. Nobody knows the whole picture of my life and what happened to my mind in Straight and why traumatic child abuse to the very real extent of torture really does have a severe effect. When we were restrained, we were very immediately in fear for our lives. We couldn't breathe and our bones were forced sometimes past the literal breaking point. This was done systematically to break us psychologically. It really does count as torture. There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.
As for your other insults, I don't find them very clever. I don't really know if you have a yacht or not, but it's colorful and fun to bat around. I drive a spaceship, why don't you make fun of that? It would entertain people a lot more than your garden variety attack insults. I am no more "overprivileged" than RTP, our parents were in the same job/money/education strata, and I have probably actually had less money pass through my hands in my adult life than he. I mean, certainly a person could have a field day with how incompetent I am, but I try to take a kinder view of myself than I took a few years ago, because an unkind view doesn't really fix anything.
Some people know what I mean about the grotesque highways, and if they choose to respond with their own philosophies, at least we have begun on some common ground. Go back and read your initial response to my initial post, and then read some other people's responses. You make yourself sound very overprivileged. For a lot of people who live in your town, that morning cup of coffee at the coffee shop is not something they can factor into their budget. I've gotten "money from mom", but I've also been the kind of poor that chooses between band-aids and beans and tapes up gash wounds with a paper towel and masking tape. What can you get for 63 cents?
I suppose it was crass of all of us to discuss finances in public. [ hang heads in shame, or at least look sheepish ] But the people calling me "overprivileged"? Please. If things in this thread did turn into a rip roaring something or other, well, next time, don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat. I really like batting things around. It's not my fault if you don't understand what I am saying. Some people do, and I don't care to write a literary and philosophical explication every time I post for those who don't. I could say that it was rude of you to respond to what I wrote the way you did in your first post. It was at the very least a severe misreading. Who am I to judge you? I'm the O.P. I wasn't talking to you, and I wasn't judging you. You were talking to yourself and judging yourself and wanting me to answer questions that I really think you should answer for yourself. I think it's very nice that you do, in fact, care about some of the issues raised in this thread. I think we've all had a nice time discussing it. Now I think we can all retire to search engines and see if we can introduce some serious, verifiable information into the topic.
Bygones. :em:
wow she's actually making some sense here.
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I responded to your post with a serious question. Are you suggesting that we all give up our jobs and live on some hippie commune and make our own clothes. At first, I thought it might be Cassandra....that's why I took it personally......later on. At first I was just responding to an anon post. YOU are the one that seemed to get so freaked out about it.
Go ahead, slam me for whatever you'd like. I've said before that I don't know where I'd be without my husband. He's by no means wealthy, but he's definitely a gem. The ONLY reason I said anything about you taking SSDI is because of the vehemence with which you seem to go after EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever tried to help you. You say I don't know what you've gone through, well what makes you think you have any fucking clue what I"VE been through? YOu don't know what I do for my community or what I don't. I stick by those things I said...I like my coffee, my spaghettios and the stupid little gifts I give my kids. If that makes me an asshole in your eyes, so be it. I don't give a fuck.
Get off your fucking high horse bitch. I've spoken to you ONCE on the phone and never met you in person. The one conversation we had was at the request of someone else (who was trying to help and whom you later slammed). Obviously it went nowhere. You think everyone is out to get you to the point where you actually think they're taping your conversations and travelling up to where-ever-the-fuck you live to spy on you and no one can do or say anything to convince you otherwise. Maybe you really are crazy or schizo....I don't know. I just know you're an obnoxious, self righteous, spoiled little bitch who attacks EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER TRIED TO HELP HER.
Grow up little girl.
Bygones? Hmmmmm. Interesting. Bob????? :roll:
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I responded to your post with a serious question. Are you suggesting that we all give up our jobs and live on some hippie commune and make our own clothes. At first, I thought it might be Cassandra....that's why I took it personally......later on. At first I was just responding to an anon post. YOU are the one that seemed to get so freaked out about it.
Go ahead, slam me for whatever you'd like. I've said before that I don't know where I'd be without my husband. He's by no means wealthy, but he's definitely a gem. The ONLY reason I said anything about you taking SSDI is because of the vehemence with which you seem to go after EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever tried to help you. You say I don't know what you've gone through, well what makes you think you have any fucking clue what I"VE been through? YOu don't know what I do for my community or what I don't. I stick by those things I said...I like my coffee, my spaghettios and the stupid little gifts I give my kids. If that makes me an asshole in your eyes, so be it. I don't give a fuck.
Get off your fucking high horse bitch. I've spoken to you ONCE on the phone and never met you in person. The one conversation we had was at the request of someone else (who was trying to help and whom you later slammed). Obviously it went nowhere. You think everyone is out to get you to the point where you actually think they're taping your conversations and travelling up to where-ever-the-fuck you live to spy on you and no one can do or say anything to convince you otherwise. Maybe you really are crazy or schizo....I don't know. I just know you're an obnoxious, self righteous, spoiled little bitch who attacks EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER TRIED TO HELP HER.
Grow up little girl.
Bygones? Hmmmmm. Interesting. Bob????? :roll:
This is the kind of thing that makes you look crazy and not me. Even if it had been Cassandra, why would you take the start of the thread personally? I never said I knew what you had been through and have actually felt sympathetic to the news of your nervous breakdown, and I think it is very nice that your husband took care of you. No one said anything about your community service, no one said you were a horrible person, I in fact said I was the most evil person of all. It is your own guilty conscience that brings up spaghettios, coffee, and the stupid plastic crap you get your kids, and keeps bringing it up, and keeps daring someone to tell you something about it. Suit yourself. You simply can't understand me and you shouldn't try, but neither should you make yourself look bad with the cheap insults. And, no, you and some other people went after the SSDI thing to be hurtful and invalidate anything I said. Jealous? Of your life in Tampa? Is anyone in left field to catch that one?
I do think people should be careful about who they give their money to. It is a fact that the Gap family has ruthlessly destroyed many square miles of rainforest. I'd like my grandchildren to be able to breathe. Would you mind paying attention to what the corporations are doing to the planet? That's all, dear, just look at the back of the package, think, research. Because, you know, you may be a grandmother and a greatgrandmother someday, that's a lot of little kids playing in streams that are fouled up and all that touchy-feely stuff about the polluted earth. The Thames River was so polluted a few centuries ago that it used to catch fire, but they figured it out and cleaned it up. The Romans laid a brilliant network of lead pipes, which didn't turn out to be so brilliant after all. Washington, D.C. just got bumped to Zone 8 - that's global warming, people. The trees can't get up and walk to the zone that suits them. (Read The End of Nature by Bill McKibben.) It's time for massive tree planting projects. It's time for public transportation and bicycles to take off like wildfire all over the planet.
And please, Anne, no matter how unpleasantly you may feel towards me at this point in time, leave with this thought: I do not and CANNOT think of you as more guilty than myself, at all, whatsoever. Until I settle down and learn to make yogurt, I still buy the little plastic cups and throw them away... [ runs for cover from a hailstorm of cheap plastic shit thrown by Bonney's offspring... ]
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This is the kind of thing that makes you look crazy and not me. Even if it had been Cassandra, why would you take the start of the thread personally?
Because of conversations that I've had with her that you know nothing about.
I never said I knew what you had been through and have actually felt sympathetic to the news of your nervous breakdown, and I think it is very nice that your husband took care of you. No one said anything about your community service, no one said you were a horrible person, I in fact said I was the most evil person of all. It is your own guilty conscience that brings up spaghettios, coffee, and the stupid plastic crap you get your kids, and keeps bringing it up, and keeps daring someone to tell you something about it.
This was my first post in the thread....
So, what are you suggesting? That everyone quit their jobs and move to commune where they can grow their own veggies, hunt their own meat and make their own clothes? Should the entire country go back to the barter system? America is fucked up. Walmarts and 7-11s everywhere, but not everyone in suburbia is selfish, clueless and evil. I'm finally getting to a point in my life where I actually enjoy it. I like getting up and having my coffee with a little vanilla, reading the paper or a book, walking the dogs with my neighbors and buying stupid little meaningless crap to put in my kids' stockings just cuz it'll make them feel good. I like being able to run to the supermarket and get toilet paper if I need it.
Extremism on either side is unhealthy, IMO.
That could have been to anyone and was a legitimate question. Then Cassandra did post a response, so I posted back.
Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.
I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.
This is when I thought that Cassandra might be the original poster, but when I responded to the OP, it really didn't matter...I was asking a legitimate question in response to the OP.
Suit yourself. You simply can't understand me and you shouldn't try,
Believe me, I have no desire to try and crawl around in that head of yours.
but neither should you make yourself look bad with the cheap insults. And, no, you and some other people went after the SSDI thing to be hurtful and invalidate anything I said.
I think it was more to point out the hypocrisy in some of your statements, but whatever gets you through the night.:roll:
Jealous? Of your life in Tampa?
St. Pete. I like it, always have.
I do think people should be careful about who they give their money to. It is a fact that the Gap family has ruthlessly destroyed many square miles of rainforest. I'd like my grandchildren to be able to breathe. Would you mind paying attention to what the corporations are doing to the planet? That's all, dear, just look at the back of the package, think, research. Because, you know, you may be a grandmother and a greatgrandmother someday, that's a lot of little kids playing in streams that are fouled up and all that touchy-feely stuff about the polluted earth. The Thames River was so polluted a few centuries ago that it used to catch fire, but they figured it out and cleaned it up. The Romans laid a brilliant network of lead pipes, which didn't turn out to be so brilliant after all. Washington, D.C. just got bumped to Zone 8 - that's global warming, people. The trees can't get up and walk to the zone that suits them. (Read The End of Nature by Bill McKibben.) It's time for massive tree planting projects. It's time for public transportation and bicycles to take off like wildfire all over the planet.
Alright, again. What's your solution? Should we all do the exact same thing or is there room for people to do what feels right to them?
And please, Anne, no matter how unpleasantly you may feel towards me at this point in time, leave with this thought: I do not and CANNOT think of you as more guilty than myself, at all, whatsoever. Until I settle down and learn to make yogurt, I still buy the little plastic cups and throw them away...
Fair enough. Any animosity I feel for you came when you attacked all those that tried to help you. I used to feel really badly for you, but you make it damn near impossible to have anything but contempt for you now.
[ runs for cover from a hailstorm of cheap plastic shit thrown by Bonney's offspring... ]
They'd probably be throwing their nursing books at you, paying particular attention to the chapters detailing extreme paranoia and schizophrenia.
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There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.
Right.. :tup:
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Washington, D.C. just got bumped to Zone 8 - that's global warming, people.
I'm really digging these warm winters.. ::bwahaha::
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Alright, again. What's your solution?
The Tire Ranch. :tup:
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There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.
For my part it wasn't so much her complaining about America, shit we all do, but more her complaining about me living off my "wealthy husband" while she's living off her wealthy mom. I can't speak for the others who went after her for the SSDI. If she's as crazy as it seems (I'm crazy too, yep...you betcha!!!! and I mean that seriously) then she deserves every penny.
Think whatever you want of me, I really don't give a shit. There's a lot of guilt I have for things I've done in my life, but this area ain't one of 'em. The self righteous, judgemental bullshit gets on my nerves a bit, but in the grand scheme of things, your opinion of me means nothing.
I like my life. I'm happy with it......finally.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to celebrate Christmas and give my kids some more cheap plastic crap. :rofl:
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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to celebrate Christmas and give my kids some more cheap plastic crap.
Might I recommend some plastic dog turds?
They've always been a great novelty item & a classic practical joke! Kids love 'em!
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http://www.theuppercrust.org/index.html (http://www.theuppercrust.org/index.html)
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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to celebrate Christmas and give my kids some more cheap plastic crap.
Might I recommend some plastic dog turds?
They've always been a great novelty item & a classic practical joke! Kids love 'em!
Excellent suggestion!! That will go great with Polly! (A cheap plastic piece of crap that my husband got in his gift exchange which will go nicely on my "yacht":D .)
http://www.prankplace.com/polly.htm (http://www.prankplace.com/polly.htm)
Seriously....hope all had a good holiday.
And my little 'Troubled One', I honestly hope you're able to find some peace someday believe it or not.
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I know no ones really talkin to me now, but I just thought that the idea that people who recieve assistance from the government don't have a right to redress their grievances was ridiculous and on top of that if the federal tax payer is gonna claim responsibility for supporting the poor and disabled are they also gonna take responsibility for eveything else their government does, in this country and around the world ?? Do you know where your money goes ??
I just wonder...
_pirate
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Alright, again. What's your solution?
The Tire Ranch. :tup:
Let's hear more about the Tire Ranch........
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I know no ones really talkin to me now, but I just thought that the idea that people who recieve assistance from the government don't have a right to redress their grievances was ridiculous and on top of that if the federal tax payer is gonna claim responsibility for supporting the poor and disabled are they also gonna take responsibility for eveything else their government does, in this country and around the world ?? Do you know where your money goes ??
I just wonder...
_pirate
Good points, there, Pirate. Of course anyone has the right to criticize the government regardless of whether they receive disability or not. As far as incividual responsibility for the shit the gov't does in our name with our money that they appropriated from us, well, that's not a debate that is going to be settled here on Fornits. Good points to think about, though.
I think people got carried away with personal vendettas on this thread and were tossing around rhetoric, rather than stating their real opinions; just searching for ammo to continually bash each other, like good fornits denizens do. :roll:
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Alright, again. What's your solution?
The Tire Ranch. :tup:
Let's hear more about the Tire Ranch........
Imagine a colony constructed of used tires and concrete. Beautiful, ain't it? Well, maybe not so beautiful at first, but surely it will improve with age! The Tire Ranch!! Its raison d'etre will be to provide a guaranteed free dwelling space for Survivors who are in need of a place to call home, or maybe just a place to party & crash for a while. The Tire Ranch will offer sanctuary for survivors.
As for locations, I've considered Alaska, the Mojavé Desert or maybe some pretty little 'uncharted' island somewhere.
Once the initial framework is expanded upon, the Tire Ranch will become quite a place!
However, residents will not be permitted to just sit around all day either! You?ll only get out of it what you put into it! You will be made to feel like shit about yourself if you don?t bust your ass every day for the tire ranch, believe me! We will do what we can to provide food, clothing, drugs, music, beds, showers, wireless internet, dune buggies or snow mobiles, sex toys, guitars, drums, guns & all of the other bare necessities! The best of efforts will be made to accommodate everyone; on that you have my word!
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Alright, again. What's your solution?
The Tire Ranch. :tup:
Let's hear more about the Tire Ranch........
Imagine a colony constructed of used tires and concrete. Beautiful, ain't it? Well, maybe not so beautiful at first, but surely it will improve with age! The Tire Ranch!! Its raison d'etre will be to provide a guaranteed free dwelling space for Survivors who are in need of a place to call home, or maybe just a place to party & crash for a while. The Tire Ranch will offer sanctuary for survivors.
As for locations, I've considered Alaska, the Mojavé Desert or maybe some pretty little 'uncharted' island somewhere.
where do I sign up??
Once the initial framework is expanded upon, the Tire Ranch will become quite a place!
However, residents will not be permitted to just sit around all day either! You?ll only get out of it what you put into it! You will be made to feel like shit about yourself if you don?t bust your ass every day for the tire ranch, believe me! We will do what we can to provide food, clothing, drugs, music, beds, showers, wireless internet, dune buggies or snow mobiles, sex toys, guitars, drums, guns & all of the other bare necessities! The best of efforts will be made to accommodate everyone; on that you have my word!
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I know no ones really talkin to me now
_pirate
bok bok bok?
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I know no ones really talkin to me now
_pirate
News to me... what the hell?
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...Huh ...??...
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Was that you back there, pirate?
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Yeah, but tell me, who are you ??
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I'm that guy who played some guitar with you & dragonfly that night.
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recently ?? cause you know...we jam all around my man. Which disturbance was you at ??
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In VA last month after the memorial.
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:lol: O Yeah! Whats up ?? Got any used electrics for sale ??
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Not right now; I only have two & use both of them...
Ebay has deals on used gear sometimes..
Are you partial to any particular brand?
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Not that I know of...just been realizin that I aint never yet owned my own electric. I just been playin acoustic so long now...I realized I gotta get a' 'lectric.
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Go into music stores that deal in vintage guitars or just start playing other people's electrics any chance you get & you should start to get a feel for the type you want.. You can't go wrong with a Gibson; but a good guitar is a good guitar whether it's a Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, etc. A good one will feel right while you're playing it and will sound good if the amp that you're playing through is decent enough. The quality of a guitar (electric or acoustic) depends a lot on the type of used to make it.
Make sure the machine heads are the kind that are enclosed (like Grovers).
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The quality of a guitar (electric or acoustic) depends a lot on the type of * used to make it.
edit: *wood
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Maybe I'll learn some Sabbath on electric...by the next survivors jam session.
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Maybe I'll learn some Sabbath on electric...by the next survivors jam session.
That'd be cool..I used to play along to Sabbath records... Any particular song?
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I like "Warning", "Snowblind" and "Sabath, Bloody Sabbath". pirate out. :wave: :skull: ::dove::
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Do you (anyone here) think every family in america has the right to a safe, healthy food supply; clean air; clean water; and a healthy environment?
Do you consider it legitimate to compromise any of these things by claiming we're trying to protect American jobs?
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Do you (anyone here) think every family in america has the right to a safe, healthy food supply; clean air; clean water; and a healthy environment?
Do you consider it legitimate to compromise any of these things by claiming we're trying to protect American jobs?
has the right? everyone has the right to be live. I think if it's available then yes everyone should have equal rights in that regard, But It hikn that also makes everyone RESPONSIBLE for protecting the environment at the same time, Having the right to pursue a happy life i would say includes the right to drink, eat and be merry in a healthy way! lol
Compromise clean air to save jobs or clean water? You're saying. Fuck that. Half of my job opps have gone over seas cuz they can get it at a 1/3 the price. And you know what. I don't care. I can manage and I would much rather a job go there and i continue to drink clean water, personally. I mean without my health a job certainly won't mean much will it?
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Compromise clean air to save jobs or clean water? You're saying. Fuck that. Half of my job opps have gone over seas cuz they can get it at a 1/3 the price. And you know what. I don't care. I can manage and I would much rather a job go there and i continue to drink clean water, personally. I mean without my health a job certainly won't mean much will it?
I'm not sure what you're saying about outsourcing having to do with a healthy food supply, etc...
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http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_det ... dline/2334 (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2334)
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http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2334
Ok, so there are some risks with organic. If it don't smell right, don't eat it.... Horse sense. :rofl:
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Compromise clean air to save jobs or clean water? You're saying. Fuck that. Half of my job opps have gone over seas cuz they can get it at a 1/3 the price. And you know what. I don't care. I can manage and I would much rather a job go there and i continue to drink clean water, personally. I mean without my health a job certainly won't mean much will it?
I'm not sure what you're saying about outsourcing having to do with a healthy food supply, etc...
I wasn't i was answering frods questions that said "Do you consider it legitimate to compromise any of these things by claiming we're trying to protect American jobs?" I just used a bad example saying i was used to already having jobs disappear via outsourcing. so to answer his question, i was simply saying if it was a choice between saving jobs or drinking clean water i'd vote for the clean water, cuz i can always find work. sorry didn't mean to confuzzle things. :o :P
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All the contaminates, toxins, chemicals and pollutants strenghtin our immune systems.. Also, Immunaziation shots are small doses of what we're tring to avoid catching..
I've been in labs that fummed up sending everyone with less chemical exposure history to the ground choking and gagging while I took a few breaths and said ahhhhhhhhhhh...
Chances are, few us will die from a virus because of the cockroach immunity we developed living together in Straight the way we did..
Though the junk has toughened my health, it has not helped my spelling skills..
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http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2334
This is well worth the read and should give the people who only buy organic something to think about
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Anybody heard from Wild Goose lately?
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Did anyone really believe that making the word "Organic" a legal term of art would accomplish anything different from this?
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Did anyone really believe that making the word "Organic" a legal term of art would accomplish anything different from this?
millions of people seem to think so :roll:
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It is a belief against all experience.