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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: 85 Day Jerk on August 24, 2004, 01:37:00 AM
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I an now working a temp job for the City of St. Pete repairing sidewalks made of Hexagon blocks. It is very very hot and heavy work. During the course of today's work the sun began to bake my brain and the lithium in my bloodstream helped to bring some thoughts to the surface.
I seem to remember a pattern in the various Straight Buildings whereby they would only graduate a handful of clients during the course of the entire summer. These were mostly out of state kids, or the kiss ass types who were either staff trainees, or were about to get sucked into the vortex. Regular kids were left to rot on their phases until the end of summer.
I think this is because there were a shitload of intakes as soon as school was out in May or early June because parents did'nt want their kids around to fuck up yet another summer for them and Straight could not afford the loss of host homes for us darlings. ( I myself was placed in the program on June 16, 1978) There were usually mass graduations during Open Meeting in late August or early September. By then, the summer intakes that "got with the program" had made 2nd phase or even 3rd, thus becoming a host home and allowing for some more graduations. Looking back on it, I now remember people graduating that really had not done much at all exept house newcomers that summer.
One such person was my older stepbrother. I think he may have related a total of 9 or 10 times from April to August 1979 and he was a 5th phaser for Christ's sakes! When he did relate, it was mindless drivel that a casual observer would think were the ramblings of someone high on pot. He played the game pretty good and had entered the program 8 months ahead of me and had been on 5th phase for 5 months I think it was. Our house usually took on 5 newcomers at a time and we were pretty good at cranking them out onto 2nd phase.
My own 5th phase only lasted 27 days. I really do not remember it much, it was so damn fast. The stress was pretty bad and I felt compelled to leave a lasting impression or something. The night I seven stepped came as a complete surprise. I was actually kind of pissed off because there was alot more that I wanted to do. When I got home that night, it all kind of hit me. This is it, these strangers that I have been living with are my family. I was stuck in this house in this shitty outskirt of Pinellas Park with two stepbrothers I cannot stand, a self centered bitch of a step-mom, and a completely pussy whipped father that I was still a stranger to.
My real home was 17 miles away in Largo, my mom was down to just one sister now, struggling to make ends meet on foodstamps and such. They did not know what to make of this brainwashed behavior-modified freak that had once been a son and brother to them. The neighborhood had changed. The recession had devastated several families and they had moved away. Homes showed signs of neglect, and made life with my dad seem like a better alternative so I was caught between both worlds. This still bugs me to this day. I was caught between two worlds and wound up cast out of both. I did'nt ask for this shit. I did'nt want it, and I certainly did not do anything to deserve it. After Straight, I found it damn near impossible to bond with anyone, especially women. Those on this board that I have reached a rapport with, I want you to know that I really treasure it.
I was doing laundry Sunday and in walked a girl with more legs than a bucket of chicken, hard body, no tatoos, face a little hard and slightly blotched complexion, but still impishly cute. It took me a complete wash cycle and half the dryer time before I finally settled on a way to break the ice. I asked her how she made out during the hurricane and she seemed unflustered by it. I thought for sure that she would pick up on it and we would be on a roll, but she just acted as if I had said, "Nice weather we're having is'nt it?" We both retreated back into our uncomfortable silence. Every now and then she would catch me glancing her way and then she would smile. It was an eerie smile, like she knew something about me but was trying hard not to show it. Finally, my clothes were all dry and folded. There was nothing left to do but leave. I felt totally defeated as I swung out the door with my basket of laundry. I was kicking myself for not trying harder and buried my frustration by turning up the CD player and letting the ear-shattering opening riffs of L7 ease my frustration. I let out the clutch and started to roll away as Donita Sparks began screaming out the lyrics to "Shove."
A quick glance in the mirror brought about a small feeling of victory. The girl had stepped out for a cigarette. She lit one and looked over my way. She still had that damn smile of hers. Oh well, maybe next weekend.
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i'm assuming you're a writer. If not, I think you should be.
Perhaps next weekend you should give her this writing.
Ask her what she thinks in a casual way. Except the part about her complexion and hard face. That might hurt her feelings.
It might turn out to be a surprising and effectual maneuver. If not, at least it will be memorable.
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No, she'll freak--she lives in St. Pete and knows what Straight was.....she'll run screaming to the nearest Scientology audit center.
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I meant the last paragraph. Starting with the laundry bit.
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.[ This Message was edited by: future.air on 2004-08-24 21:02 ]
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wow, lots of thoughtful replys of late from animals and future air
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wow, what a waste of a life to post anonymously.
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The workday started on a stretch of sidewalk just one block from Northshore Park and the shore of Tampa Bay. Most of the crew were burnt out black folks who could only dream about living in this kind of a neighborhood. A man and his wife brought thier 1800 dollar pair of Irish Wolfhounds out of their mansion to romp around on the front lawn. They were kept in check by the tiny yapping figure of yet another pedigree dog that came in the form of a 900 dollar Cairn Terrier. Various comments came from the crew, mostly concerning the kidnapping of said dogs and the collection of all awards thereafter. The sort of inane bullshit clatter one would hear in the prison yard. It was kind of hard for me to stomach, seeing that I had known Mr. Baker and his wife for several years. I even remembered his huge hound named McGregger and Shasta the small Cairn Terrier. He must have gotten the other Irish Wolfhound within the last year or so. The dogs were loaded up into a smart looking SUV for an early morning trip to the vet.
Pick Axes and supplies were unloaded onto the dew covered lawn and the work commenced. I decided to let the Jigaboos swing the picks and lift the block while I would hover in front like the ever faithful "Step 'n Fetch It" and grab the lifted blocks and stack them neatly to the side of the walkway for later replacement once the bed was cleared of tree roots, raked even and levelled off with the planeing boards. The progress of the work would remind older folks of that movie "Cool Hand Luke," only I aint no goddamn convict. That was the crux of the whole damn thing. We were working in my own freaking neighborhood for crying out loud! I could see the raw hatred on the faces of these ignorant savage motherfuckers that I have to work with every time some one that knew me came by and
chatted with me. I can empathize with them though, because on our lunch breaks when we are gliding through the 'hood on our way to "Red's Snak Shak," or some other source of ethnic wonderment, I am witness to the bombed out urban decay of their part of town. Sidewalks that are made up more of the weeds bursting up through the cracks than of concrete. Every other house a boarded up wreck with a sign out front pleading for new ownership like a street begger holding a tattered cardboard message, hoping for the magic handout. The broken down derelects hanging out here and there, looking ever more like the lone Native American survivors of a small pox outbreak back in the Old West.
As the day went on, after lunch, the crew leader actually began talking about how drug testing affected the football team at Northeast high school, and I tried, I really fucking tried, to talk about how with my generation twenty years previous was dragged into Straight instead of just merely tested, and was met with looks like I was a Hollywood writer desperate to sell a pilot to the networks or some shit. I let it go. Fuck it. Maybe Sembler will start up some new "Ghetto Straight" or some shit. It would serve these Mongoloid fuckers right.
The icing on the cake for today's adventure came at the end of the day, when the crew chief was driving us around eating up the clock, until it was time to head back to the yard. Like a shark sensing blood in the water, yet still miles from the victim, he cruised through a neighborhood just as school buses were unloading kids. He came upon an Urban Goddess walking her two sons home from the bus stop. She reminded me of Olivia Brown (the cute black cop chick from Miami Vice) and proceeded with his line. From the prospective of the woman, the first thing she really seen was the emblem of the City of St. Petersburg on the side of the work truck. Magically, her two sons who were most likely twins now had sticks in their hands. They vented their feelings against a nearby fence as my crew chief left the truck and walked over and worked his magic on this lady. I will never forget how he called out to her, arm hanging out the window like a circus ape, "Oh baby, you afraid of being hurt?" "I aint about hurt'n, I'm bout healing." Yeah right, this is coming from a man who's been married for thirteen years. Give me a break. But still, the thing that is still stuck in my mind was the raw unharnessed emotion that poured out from the very essense of this young women as her entire face was swept with a rip tide of emotion when she was asked "What are you afraid of?" and she replied, "I am afraid of being hurt."
So what it all comes down to is that a married man of thirteen years may get himself some pussy, all because he is driving a vehicle that represents money. Money that came from my taxes.
Money that is not being redistributed to this young lady because of our asshole President and his policies. This is what happened today. This is not made up. This is real, and is what our society has to show for itself. I hope you found it to be entertaining. There will be more to come. Working this shit, man, I hav'nt had this much fun in years!!!!
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On 2004-08-25 23:22:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
"The workday started on a stretch of sidewalk just one block from Northshore Park and the shore of Tampa Bay. Most of the crew were burnt out black folks who could only dream about living in this kind of a neighborhood. A man and his wife brought thier 1800 dollar pair of Irish Wolfhounds out of their mansion to romp around on the front lawn. They were kept in check by the tiny yapping figure of yet another pedigree dog that came in the form of a 900 dollar Cairn Terrier. Various comments came from the crew, mostly concerning the kidnapping of said dogs and the collection of all awards thereafter. The sort of inane bullshit clatter one would hear in the prison yard. It was kind of hard for me to stomach, seeing that I had known Mr. Baker and his wife for several years. I even remembered his huge hound named McGregger and Shasta the small Cairn Terrier. He must have gotten the other Irish Wolfhound within the last year or so. The dogs were loaded up into a smart looking SUV for an early morning trip to the vet.
Pick Axes and supplies were unloaded onto the dew covered lawn and the work commenced. I decided to let the Jigaboos swing the picks and lift the block while I would hover in front like the ever faithful "Step 'n Fetch It" and grab the lifted blocks and stack them neatly to the side of the walkway for later replacement once the bed was cleared of tree roots, raked even and levelled off with the planeing boards. The progress of the work would remind older folks of that movie "Cool Hand Luke," only I aint no goddamn convict. That was the crux of the whole damn thing. We were working in my own freaking neighborhood for crying out loud! I could see the raw hatred on the faces of these ignorant savage motherfuckers that I have to work with every time some one that knew me came by and
chatted with me. I can empathize with them though, because on our lunch breaks when we are gliding through the 'hood on our way to "Red's Snak Shak," or some other source of ethnic wonderment, I am witness to the bombed out urban decay of their part of town. Sidewalks that are made up more of the weeds bursting up through the cracks than of concrete. Every other house a boarded up wreck with a sign out front pleading for new ownership like a street begger holding a tattered cardboard message, hoping for the magic handout. The broken down derelects hanging out here and there, looking ever more like the lone Native American survivors of a small pox outbreak back in the Old West.
As the day went on, after lunch, the crew leader actually began talking about how drug testing affected the football team at Northeast high school, and I tried, I really fucking tried, to talk about how with my generation twenty years previous was dragged into Straight instead of just merely tested, and was met with looks like I was a Hollywood writer desperate to sell a pilot to the networks or some shit. I let it go. Fuck it. Maybe Sembler will start up some new "Ghetto Straight" or some shit. It would serve these Mongoloid fuckers right.
The icing on the cake for today's adventure came at the end of the day, when the crew chief was driving us around eating up the clock, until it was time to head back to the yard. Like a shark sensing blood in the water, yet still miles from the victim, he cruised through a neighborhood just as school buses were unloading kids. He came upon an Urban Goddess walking her two sons home from the bus stop. She reminded me of Olivia Brown (the cute black cop chick from Miami Vice) and proceeded with his line. From the prospective of the woman, the first thing she really seen was the emblem of the City of St. Petersburg on the side of the work truck. Magically, her two sons who were most likely twins now had sticks in their hands. They vented their feelings against a nearby fence as my crew chief left the truck and walked over and worked his magic on this lady. I will never forget how he called out to her, arm hanging out the window like a circus ape, "Oh baby, you afraid of being hurt?" "I aint about hurt'n, I'm bout healing." Yeah right, this is coming from a man who's been married for thirteen years. Give me a break. But still, the thing that is still stuck in my mind was the raw unharnessed emotion that poured out from the very essense of this young women as her entire face was swept with a rip tide of emotion when she was asked "What are you afraid of?" and she replied, "I am afraid of being hurt."
So what it all comes down to is that a married man of thirteen years may get himself some pussy, all because he is driving a vehicle that represents money. Money that came from my taxes.
Money that is not being redistributed to this young lady because of our asshole President and his policies. This is what happened today. This is not made up. This is real, and is what our society has to show for itself. I hope you found it to be entertaining. There will be more to come. Working this shit, man, I hav'nt had this much fun in years!!!!"
My how humanatarian you sound calling folks jigaboos and ignorant savage motherfuckers. Just as sick as some other people on this board I see.
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Interesting enough that i didnt stop reading and i think these observations were a lot more "humane" than the fake ideal that most people think of as being "humane".
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On 2004-08-26 00:19:00, krystene wrote:
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On 2004-08-25 23:22:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
"The workday started on a stretch of sidewalk just one block from Northshore Park and the shore of Tampa Bay. Most of the crew were burnt out black folks who could only dream about living in this kind of a neighborhood. A man and his wife brought thier 1800 dollar pair of Irish Wolfhounds out of their mansion to romp around on the front lawn. They were kept in check by the tiny yapping figure of yet another pedigree dog that came in the form of a 900 dollar Cairn Terrier. Various comments came from the crew, mostly concerning the kidnapping of said dogs and the collection of all awards thereafter. The sort of inane bullshit clatter one would hear in the prison yard. It was kind of hard for me to stomach, seeing that I had known Mr. Baker and his wife for several years. I even remembered his huge hound named McGregger and Shasta the small Cairn Terrier. He must have gotten the other Irish Wolfhound within the last year or so. The dogs were loaded up into a smart looking SUV for an early morning trip to the vet.
Pick Axes and supplies were unloaded onto the dew covered lawn and the work commenced. I decided to let the Jigaboos swing the picks and lift the block while I would hover in front like the ever faithful "Step 'n Fetch It" and grab the lifted blocks and stack them neatly to the side of the walkway for later replacement once the bed was cleared of tree roots, raked even and levelled off with the planeing boards. The progress of the work would remind older folks of that movie "Cool Hand Luke," only I aint no goddamn convict. That was the crux of the whole damn thing. We were working in my own freaking neighborhood for crying out loud! I could see the raw hatred on the faces of these ignorant savage motherfuckers that I have to work with every time some one that knew me came by and
chatted with me. I can empathize with them though, because on our lunch breaks when we are gliding through the 'hood on our way to "Red's Snak Shak," or some other source of ethnic wonderment, I am witness to the bombed out urban decay of their part of town. Sidewalks that are made up more of the weeds bursting up through the cracks than of concrete. Every other house a boarded up wreck with a sign out front pleading for new ownership like a street begger holding a tattered cardboard message, hoping for the magic handout. The broken down derelects hanging out here and there, looking ever more like the lone Native American survivors of a small pox outbreak back in the Old West.
As the day went on, after lunch, the crew leader actually began talking about how drug testing affected the football team at Northeast high school, and I tried, I really fucking tried, to talk about how with my generation twenty years previous was dragged into Straight instead of just merely tested, and was met with looks like I was a Hollywood writer desperate to sell a pilot to the networks or some shit. I let it go. Fuck it. Maybe Sembler will start up some new "Ghetto Straight" or some shit. It would serve these Mongoloid fuckers right.
The icing on the cake for today's adventure came at the end of the day, when the crew chief was driving us around eating up the clock, until it was time to head back to the yard. Like a shark sensing blood in the water, yet still miles from the victim, he cruised through a neighborhood just as school buses were unloading kids. He came upon an Urban Goddess walking her two sons home from the bus stop. She reminded me of Olivia Brown (the cute black cop chick from Miami Vice) and proceeded with his line. From the prospective of the woman, the first thing she really seen was the emblem of the City of St. Petersburg on the side of the work truck. Magically, her two sons who were most likely twins now had sticks in their hands. They vented their feelings against a nearby fence as my crew chief left the truck and walked over and worked his magic on this lady. I will never forget how he called out to her, arm hanging out the window like a circus ape, "Oh baby, you afraid of being hurt?" "I aint about hurt'n, I'm bout healing." Yeah right, this is coming from a man who's been married for thirteen years. Give me a break. But still, the thing that is still stuck in my mind was the raw unharnessed emotion that poured out from the very essense of this young women as her entire face was swept with a rip tide of emotion when she was asked "What are you afraid of?" and she replied, "I am afraid of being hurt."
So what it all comes down to is that a married man of thirteen years may get himself some pussy, all because he is driving a vehicle that represents money. Money that came from my taxes.
Money that is not being redistributed to this young lady because of our asshole President and his policies. This is what happened today. This is not made up. This is real, and is what our society has to show for itself. I hope you found it to be entertaining. There will be more to come. Working this shit, man, I hav'nt had this much fun in years!!!!"
My how humanatarian you sound calling folks jigaboos and ignorant savage motherfuckers. Just as sick as some other people on this board I see."
Its not really ignorant. Go live in prison for a few years...see how they treat you. :wink:
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On 2004-08-25 23:22:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
He came upon an Urban Goddess walking her two sons home from the bus stop. She reminded me of Olivia Brown (the cute black cop chick from Miami Vice) and proceeded with his line. From the prospective of the woman, the first thing she really seen was the emblem of the City of St. Petersburg on the side of the work truck. Magically, her two sons who were most likely twins now had sticks in their hands. They vented their feelings against a nearby fence as my crew chief left the truck and walked over and worked his magic on this lady. I will never forget how he called out to her, arm hanging out the window like a circus ape, "Oh baby, you afraid of being hurt?" "I aint about hurt'n, I'm bout healing." Yeah right, this is coming from a man who's been married for thirteen years. Give me a break. But still, the thing that is still stuck in my mind was the raw unharnessed emotion that poured out from the very essense of this young women as her entire face was swept with a rip tide of emotion when she was asked "What are you afraid of?" and she replied, "I am afraid of being hurt."
I would have said, "What are you, my psychiatrist or somethin!!?" ? In a Rosie Perez tone, let out a "Dayum!" then rolled my eyes, and walked my little jiggaboos home. Urban goddess style, of course. :wink:
No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:
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On 2004-08-26 05:41:00, thebaker wrote:
"Interesting enough that i didnt stop reading and i think these observations were a lot more "humane" than the fake ideal that most people think of as being "humane". "
Yeah, well it's funny how folks are always talking about what terrible people were in Straight and they seem to be just as terrible.
I take offense to shit like that and my kids aren't a fuckin jigaboo or any other derogatory name for that matter. Oh, and yeah they are both a Goddess and I'm sure many of your racist piece's of shit men who have sons will be drooling over my gorgeous daughters or some other beautiful bi-racial woman.
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On 2004-08-26 09:50:00, Scarstruck wrote:
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On 2004-08-26 00:19:00, krystene wrote:
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On 2004-08-25 23:22:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
"The workday started on a stretch of sidewalk just one block from Northshore Park and the shore of Tampa Bay. Most of the crew were burnt out black folks who could only dream about living in this kind of a neighborhood. A man and his wife brought thier 1800 dollar pair of Irish Wolfhounds out of their mansion to romp around on the front lawn. They were kept in check by the tiny yapping figure of yet another pedigree dog that came in the form of a 900 dollar Cairn Terrier. Various comments came from the crew, mostly concerning the kidnapping of said dogs and the collection of all awards thereafter. The sort of inane bullshit clatter one would hear in the prison yard. It was kind of hard for me to stomach, seeing that I had known Mr. Baker and his wife for several years. I even remembered his huge hound named McGregger and Shasta the small Cairn Terrier. He must have gotten the other Irish Wolfhound within the last year or so. The dogs were loaded up into a smart looking SUV for an early morning trip to the vet.
Pick Axes and supplies were unloaded onto the dew covered lawn and the work commenced. I decided to let the Jigaboos swing the picks and lift the block while I would hover in front like the ever faithful "Step 'n Fetch It" and grab the lifted blocks and stack them neatly to the side of the walkway for later replacement once the bed was cleared of tree roots, raked even and levelled off with the planeing boards. The progress of the work would remind older folks of that movie "Cool Hand Luke," only I aint no goddamn convict. That was the crux of the whole damn thing. We were working in my own freaking neighborhood for crying out loud! I could see the raw hatred on the faces of these ignorant savage motherfuckers that I have to work with every time some one that knew me came by and
chatted with me. I can empathize with them though, because on our lunch breaks when we are gliding through the 'hood on our way to "Red's Snak Shak," or some other source of ethnic wonderment, I am witness to the bombed out urban decay of their part of town. Sidewalks that are made up more of the weeds bursting up through the cracks than of concrete. Every other house a boarded up wreck with a sign out front pleading for new ownership like a street begger holding a tattered cardboard message, hoping for the magic handout. The broken down derelects hanging out here and there, looking ever more like the lone Native American survivors of a small pox outbreak back in the Old West.
As the day went on, after lunch, the crew leader actually began talking about how drug testing affected the football team at Northeast high school, and I tried, I really fucking tried, to talk about how with my generation twenty years previous was dragged into Straight instead of just merely tested, and was met with looks like I was a Hollywood writer desperate to sell a pilot to the networks or some shit. I let it go. Fuck it. Maybe Sembler will start up some new "Ghetto Straight" or some shit. It would serve these Mongoloid fuckers right.
The icing on the cake for today's adventure came at the end of the day, when the crew chief was driving us around eating up the clock, until it was time to head back to the yard. Like a shark sensing blood in the water, yet still miles from the victim, he cruised through a neighborhood just as school buses were unloading kids. He came upon an Urban Goddess walking her two sons home from the bus stop. She reminded me of Olivia Brown (the cute black cop chick from Miami Vice) and proceeded with his line. From the prospective of the woman, the first thing she really seen was the emblem of the City of St. Petersburg on the side of the work truck. Magically, her two sons who were most likely twins now had sticks in their hands. They vented their feelings against a nearby fence as my crew chief left the truck and walked over and worked his magic on this lady. I will never forget how he called out to her, arm hanging out the window like a circus ape, "Oh baby, you afraid of being hurt?" "I aint about hurt'n, I'm bout healing." Yeah right, this is coming from a man who's been married for thirteen years. Give me a break. But still, the thing that is still stuck in my mind was the raw unharnessed emotion that poured out from the very essense of this young women as her entire face was swept with a rip tide of emotion when she was asked "What are you afraid of?" and she replied, "I am afraid of being hurt."
So what it all comes down to is that a married man of thirteen years may get himself some pussy, all because he is driving a vehicle that represents money. Money that came from my taxes.
Money that is not being redistributed to this young lady because of our asshole President and his policies. This is what happened today. This is not made up. This is real, and is what our society has to show for itself. I hope you found it to be entertaining. There will be more to come. Working this shit, man, I hav'nt had this much fun in years!!!!"
My how humanatarian you sound calling folks jigaboos and ignorant savage motherfuckers. Just as sick as some other people on this board I see."
Its not really ignorant. Go live in prison for a few years...see how they treat you. :wink:
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Yes, my brother is doing 25-50 in prison and I know all too well about what you are saying. My brother has been in many fights. However, this dude posting is not in prison right now and it's some pretty sick shit he's talking especially if it's someone who proclaims what abusers Straight was.
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On 2004-08-26 11:18:00, krystene wrote:
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On 2004-08-26 09:50:00, Scarstruck wrote:
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On 2004-08-26 00:19:00, krystene wrote:
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On 2004-08-25 23:22:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
"The workday started on a stretch of sidewalk just one block from Northshore Park and the shore of Tampa Bay. Most of the crew were burnt out black folks who could only dream about living in this kind of a neighborhood. A man and his wife brought thier 1800 dollar pair of Irish Wolfhounds out of their mansion to romp around on the front lawn. They were kept in check by the tiny yapping figure of yet another pedigree dog that came in the form of a 900 dollar Cairn Terrier. Various comments came from the crew, mostly concerning the kidnapping of said dogs and the collection of all awards thereafter. The sort of inane bullshit clatter one would hear in the prison yard. It was kind of hard for me to stomach, seeing that I had known Mr. Baker and his wife for several years. I even remembered his huge hound named McGregger and Shasta the small Cairn Terrier. He must have gotten the other Irish Wolfhound within the last year or so. The dogs were loaded up into a smart looking SUV for an early morning trip to the vet.
Pick Axes and supplies were unloaded onto the dew covered lawn and the work commenced. I decided to let the Jigaboos swing the picks and lift the block while I would hover in front like the ever faithful "Step 'n Fetch It" and grab the lifted blocks and stack them neatly to the side of the walkway for later replacement once the bed was cleared of tree roots, raked even and levelled off with the planeing boards. The progress of the work would remind older folks of that movie "Cool Hand Luke," only I aint no goddamn convict. That was the crux of the whole damn thing. We were working in my own freaking neighborhood for crying out loud! I could see the raw hatred on the faces of these ignorant savage motherfuckers that I have to work with every time some one that knew me came by and
chatted with me. I can empathize with them though, because on our lunch breaks when we are gliding through the 'hood on our way to "Red's Snak Shak," or some other source of ethnic wonderment, I am witness to the bombed out urban decay of their part of town. Sidewalks that are made up more of the weeds bursting up through the cracks than of concrete. Every other house a boarded up wreck with a sign out front pleading for new ownership like a street begger holding a tattered cardboard message, hoping for the magic handout. The broken down derelects hanging out here and there, looking ever more like the lone Native American survivors of a small pox outbreak back in the Old West.
As the day went on, after lunch, the crew leader actually began talking about how drug testing affected the football team at Northeast high school, and I tried, I really fucking tried, to talk about how with my generation twenty years previous was dragged into Straight instead of just merely tested, and was met with looks like I was a Hollywood writer desperate to sell a pilot to the networks or some shit. I let it go. Fuck it. Maybe Sembler will start up some new "Ghetto Straight" or some shit. It would serve these Mongoloid fuckers right.
The icing on the cake for today's adventure came at the end of the day, when the crew chief was driving us around eating up the clock, until it was time to head back to the yard. Like a shark sensing blood in the water, yet still miles from the victim, he cruised through a neighborhood just as school buses were unloading kids. He came upon an Urban Goddess walking her two sons home from the bus stop. She reminded me of Olivia Brown (the cute black cop chick from Miami Vice) and proceeded with his line. From the prospective of the woman, the first thing she really seen was the emblem of the City of St. Petersburg on the side of the work truck. Magically, her two sons who were most likely twins now had sticks in their hands. They vented their feelings against a nearby fence as my crew chief left the truck and walked over and worked his magic on this lady. I will never forget how he called out to her, arm hanging out the window like a circus ape, "Oh baby, you afraid of being hurt?" "I aint about hurt'n, I'm bout healing." Yeah right, this is coming from a man who's been married for thirteen years. Give me a break. But still, the thing that is still stuck in my mind was the raw unharnessed emotion that poured out from the very essense of this young women as her entire face was swept with a rip tide of emotion when she was asked "What are you afraid of?" and she replied, "I am afraid of being hurt."
So what it all comes down to is that a married man of thirteen years may get himself some pussy, all because he is driving a vehicle that represents money. Money that came from my taxes.
Money that is not being redistributed to this young lady because of our asshole President and his policies. This is what happened today. This is not made up. This is real, and is what our society has to show for itself. I hope you found it to be entertaining. There will be more to come. Working this shit, man, I hav'nt had this much fun in years!!!!"
My how humanatarian you sound calling folks jigaboos and ignorant savage motherfuckers. Just as sick as some other people on this board I see."
Its not really ignorant. Go live in prison for a few years...see how they treat you. :wink:
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Yes, my brother is doing 25-50 in prison and I know all too well about what you are saying. My brother has been in many fights. However, this dude posting is not in prison right now and it's some pretty sick shit he's talking especially if it's someone who proclaims what abusers Straight was."
You are angry over racial slurs because you have bi racial kids? I can certainly understand that.
But I think Jerk also lives in the south and perhaps thats why he uses those terms...not saying its PC or right...just is.
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Yes, SS that about sums it up. What is even worse is when people secretly think shit like this or say things when the people they are talking trash about aren't around. I can't stand fake MF's who like to smile up in a person's face and then turn around and run his or her mouth. Yes, he lives in the South. Still not cool. There are members of this board that are black. Imagine how they would feel after not posting here awhile and coming back to read dumb shit like this or the dumb shit RTP posts.
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On 2004-08-26 15:55:00, Scarstruck wrote:
You are angry over racial slurs because you have bi racial kids? I can certainly understand that.
But I think Jerk also lives in the south and perhaps thats why he uses those terms...not saying its PC or right...just is.
No, that kind of talk will get your ass whipped or a lawsuit just as quick in Florida as anywhere, maybe quicker than some places.
But try and put that aside for the moment and re-read the story substituting whatever PC terms you need, or just omiting the offensive language altogether.
It reminds me of a story my brother told me. He's a career carpenter. So he's working on this OSHA approved site a couple of years ago. Everyone onsite had to pass some sort of background check, piss test and all the rest in order to win the priviledge of doing hard labour in the Florida sun for $8/hr. One of the older gentlemen, who was given to quiet contemplation and impromptu performance art, brought in a box of old books and magazines one day. At lunch, he loaded the stuff onto an old restaurant cart that had been laying in the empty lot next door. He then pushed the cart, slowly, past all the lounging workers saying "Book? Magazine?"
The joke wasn't lost on a one of those guys. Every last one had been there.
Turns out, somethng like 7 out of 10 American adults are either in prison or on papers.
A prison without walls is still a prison. And, w/o even speaking to the issue of approval or admonishment, we can pragmatically expect normal society to resemble prison life more and more.
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)
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I am really sorry that some folks got offended by my efforts to "keep it real." I was venting people! When people vent, there is a release of what is called BAD FEELINGS. I am also deeply saddend that all Krystene has accomplished in life is to crank out a couple of children since her experiences with Straight Inc. Had we been guests on Jerry Springer, it looks like the people of America would have been deprived of knowing what went on in Straight because she would have been grand-standing her amazing accomplishment of childbirth, something any mammal in North America is capable of.
For what it is worth, management took notice of what is going on in the field and put me on with the paving crew and switched them out to lay sidewalk block in an effort to compare production and get ready to cut out the dead wood. As far as my being racist, go shove it man! I have Bipolar Disorder, and have been called CRAZY, LOONY, SHOT OUT, WHACKED, have guys say shit like, "Look out, Bob's got the axe! He's about to go Jack Nickolson on our ass!," when I am getting ready to cut out some tree roots. What about my rights? Why is it okay for them to say shit about me all day and try to drive me off a job, yet if I were to say the dreaded N-word I should be drawn and quartered? It is a bullshit double standard and anybody that don't like it can come down here and kiss my fuckin ass on the Courthouse lawn at high noon. I would also like it if people would stop PLAGERIZING other folks posts by simply highlighting what has already been said, throwing in your dumbass comments and acting like you "created" something. That is the same sort of thing I would expect from a Jigaboo, the biggest copy cat society we got going down here in the South.
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Seems to me that being racist is ignorant, however....it also seems that identifying racism can be just as ignorant, and detrimental.
Until we stop distinguishing, racism will always be at the forefront of our society, coming from both camps.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
Douglas Adams, _Last Chance to See_
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On 2004-08-27 02:51:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
Why is it okay for them to say shit about me all day and try to drive me off a job, yet if I were to say the dreaded N-word I should be drawn and quartered?
Of course, it's not. But the problem w/ the N word is that it implies that all black people are niggers and all white people are not niggers. This simply isn't true and it tends to piss off black people and gives real niggers of all colors a free pass.
Are you crazy? Maybe. At least as long as people are joking about it, they're not really all that worried about it. If I were you, I'd get nervous when they quit joking about it.
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves. When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe. -- My First Summer in the Sierra , 1911, page 110.
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Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Carmel, I agree.
85DJ, you best not be talkin bout my bit I added. I thought my version was funny. :grin: The scenario you wrote about got me thinking though, and that guy you were working with is a very manipulative little bastard. Too bad that girl's too dumb to see through it. That might just be the reason she has 5 more illegitimate children by the time she's 30. I live in the ghetto too, or right on the outside of it. The porches are full and the trash is plenty. I go out with a bag and pick up from time to time to keep my house looking different from the rest of the neighborhood I live in.
Speaking of mixed children, this white girl came to my door the other day and asked me if she could use my phone. I handed it out the door to her, and noticed she had three little black kids (mixed I'm guessing) with her, all under the age of 6. As the minutes went by, I'd peek my head out, and it wasn't long before I realized that the girl was just sitting her ass there, making her calls for the day, at my expense, because her phone was shut off, I?m guessing. After about 20 minutes, I look out again to find all three of her children destroying my flowerbed, which before they got there, was gorgeous. They dug in my trash, and had it strewn all about. They pulled things from the back of the house to the side of the house, all while this lady used my telephone, completely not noticing the destruction of my flowerbed which was less than two feet from where she sat her fat, white, no sense of the word discipline, ass.
So I go out and ask her politely if she could keep her children from picking any more flowers, and asked for my phone back. I was so pissed and crushed at the same time. Here was a garden that I had worked all summer cultivating, and in a matter of minutes these three little tar babies had demolished it to bareness. The lady offered no apology, and did not thank me for the twenty minutes she used my phone. Part of me hoped she took the kids home and beat them like most black women do to their children, while the other part of me just felt guilty for thinking that.
A little later on the phone rang, "Is so and so there?" "You have the wrong number" I say. "No, this is the right number," the voice says. Yes, but the person you're calling for does not live here, and will never be using my phone again." CLICK.
Okay, so trash is trash in my book, and people who fall into this category are often black, but not always. There are plenty of low life white trash scumbags in the USA for everyone. Unfortunately, we just have more insults for black people. Sometimes the dreaded "N" word is the only outlet I have to express the repulsion for the human race I feel sometimes, because as my story clearly points out, there are white niggers too.
Don't laugh when you leave this courtroom, thinking you have beat the system because you have looked these things up yourself. We are going to get you down the road.
Washington Superior CourtJudge Rebecca Baker
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I never bombed a Jap
I never gassed a Jew
But when they're looking for a scapegoat
It's you-know-who
I never killed an Indian
Or owned a slave
But they will say I'm guilty 'til
I'm in my grave
White Boy
They call me a blue eyed devil
White boy
'Cause we're walkin' around on the moon
White Boy
Let me put it to you on the level
White Boy
You're gonna be a minority soon
I applied for a job and
When I called them back
They said "Man you're qualified,
But you ain't black"
So I went looking for a government loan
They said "White boy you gotta do it
All on your own"
White Boy....
I was assaulted by some criminals
Last Saturday night
They said I had it coming to me
'Cause I was white
I been looking 'round and it sure seems to me
Being white ain't what they say it used to be
White Boy....
---"White Boy" by Sick Dick and the Volkswagens
from the EP 'Seven Deadly Sins of SDVW'
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Crank out a couple children? My aren't you funny. Yeah, being a good parent is one of my accomplishments, but that had nothing to do with my response. I really don't have to justify to you what I have accomplished since Straight either. You really need to mature some, even funnier because you are older than me. Who cares if you have bi-polar. Lots of people do. This doesn't make it okay to say the things you did. No, it's not okay if people are calling you racial shit either, but why even go there too.
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My Lezi aren't you so superior with your pastie white skin????? I hope your looks are better than your avatar. Probably are some pastie red hair bitch. A black woman needs to give you a good ass kickin. What does "being mixed" have to do with some bad ass little children? I've seen plenty of bad ass little white kids with stringy hair and koolaid faces tearin up some shit too. You are just as ignorant as the fat white bitch. Sounds like you are envious.
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Did you just say "black" women, Krystene? My how politically incorrect of you....you're displaying the rascism you despise--get over yourself.
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well I think Ill throw a couple of pennies in here. i think the point being made is that there are some people that use racial slurs because they really believe they are better than the other people, and then there are people who use them simply because they are a very effective way to hurt someone that you are pissed off at. i know that i do this too, sometimes I think really horrible things in my head that I only think because I know how comletely offensive it would sound, not because I really believe it. It's sort of hard not to do actually, esp. because there is so much PC crap that gets thrown around everywhere. It kind of pisses me off actually. It's like that movie, Mean Girls, I really liked it until the very end, when you get the PC fat girls are beautiful speech. I thought well, that just ruined the whole movie. How condescending can you be anyways, "fat people are beautiful too." Why do they need some skinny dumb conventionally pretty girl to tell them they are beautiful in order to feel good?? I really would hope that they don't.
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You bet I said BLACK and that is what my kids are as well as being WHITE and INDIAN. Oh how un PC of me to use those 3 terms. Usually white whimps that are too scared to talk trash in front of a BLACK person are the same one's who use African American in an attempt to hide their real feelings.
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On 2004-08-27 14:12:00, thebaker wrote:
"Did you just say "black" women, Krystene? My how politically incorrect of you....you're displaying the rascism you despise--get over yourself."
Learn how to spell you idiot. If you don't live in a trailer park now, I'm sure you are only one generation removed from one.
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On 2004-08-22 23:38:00, krystene wrote:
"For all those disgruntled by religion please enjoy this link. I was subjected to religious fanatics before I entered Straight. My junkie father became super religious and even more abusive during this so called "Born again Christian" period.
http://www.templeofblackjesus.com/new_stuff.html (http://www.templeofblackjesus.com/new_stuff.html)
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Your point is?????????
Get a spine and post your name!
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=33&0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6389&forum=33&0)
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Whom, spelling? By the way hun, I never said I was PC, I am pretty much prejudice against everyone. You, however, were complaining about what originally?
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Both o' y'all need t' git over it n' start likkin' each other's pussies alreddy! :flame:
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No Thanks. Her shit is probably diseased and stinks.
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Well allright, then! :tup:
And Baker, git that snatch o' yores cleened up fer some lesbian likkin'! :lol:
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Typical druggie pattern--first it's sniffing nail polish remover, then it's dabbling in unnatural affections. Don't worry girls, there's room for you on the front row of the Girl's Side in the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! And Turd, if I ever catch you instigating these Sapphic sin sessions again, it's a demotion to Jr. Staff for you! Love ya!
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I dont think you should defend yourself Krystene, if you are going to turn around and spew at someone exactly that which you proclaim to be defending yourself against. Its kind of sad. I read what you say, and I could care less if you were black, white, or blue.....please dont proclaim ignorance upon others and then exhibit your own.
It can hurt to be discriminated against, that indeed is the whole point here. I think that Lezli was just trying to explain a scenario in which she made automatic judgements and responses to people given their skin color.....and subsequently how she recongnized it. It doesnt make it right, but it does happen...and until people can be honest with themselves in situations just like this, then they will never take the first step toward losing the distinction.
If you were truly any better than you are painting Lezli to be, then you would have never even considered stooping to her level, such as you see it.
I am married, not Buried !
-- Steve Webb
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And Turd, if I ever catch you instigating these Sapphic sin sessions again, it's a demotion to Jr. Staff for you! Love ya!
:scared: :rofl:
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I could really care less about you sounding so self righteous and I don't need your advice. Unless you are in my position you have no idea how much this shit makes my blood boil. No, I'm not going to just sit here and listen to bullshit like this, especially since this is not the first time I have had racial shit said to me on this board. I'm really sick of it. Even worse people around here are always complaining about how abusive Straight was, how all of us need to stop the injustices, and yet turn around and say some really dumb and sick shit to each other. Yup, I said some pretty sick stuff too in my own defense because I am really sick and tired of the shit. I find it amazing that people are still thinking dumb shit like this. It makes me be even less trusting of people and I always have to wonder in the back of my mind do some people really think this way like the stuff people say on this board. I am pretty disgusted as well that people could just sit here and let this type of shit be said.
Someone from my program is a member here that hasn't posted here in a long time and imagine how he would feel coming here and reading all this stupid racial shit. A place where the survivors of Straight are supposed to be able to come for support, not be torn down because of being black or having mixed kids, or dating other races.
At this point it makes no difference what I have said. When someone says some real sick shit I'm not going to just not say anything about it. Sure I could have put in some peaceful quote or kept my calm, but why even bother at this point. Some asshole would have still talked shit.
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You really should learn the difference between racism and just plain intolerance. I?m far from being a racist, in fact, my best girlfriend happens to be black. This however did not suddenly make me feel the need to become a ?wigger,? I?m just not tolerant of disrespectful, rude, abusive, manipulative opportunists who think they can take advantage of people and never have to suffer the consequences of that kind of unexpanded comprehension. It?s not about skin color. I used the term ?tar babies? to prove a point. You?re upset about a word, but have no idea how to decipher between aimless hate, and intolerant anger. Take out my choice of words and replace it with ?little brats? instead. Am I a horrible person for thinking that the little fuckers were brats? No, because grown-ups get really irritated when other grown-ups don?t keep their children from destroying things, especially when asking for a favor.. It?s a low class choice in parenting known as NEGLECTFUL. Stop getting tripped up in your impulsive response system, and learn how to comprehend the reasons why you act and react the way that you do.
What I wrote were my thoughts, not my actions. Thoughts that I admittedly felt somewhat bad for even thinking. It?s like pulling Tom Sawyer down from the library shelf and screaming, ?Mark Twain, racist!!? You have no basis for your attacks. Nothing in this thread was directed at you personally, you just followed a knee jerk reaction that you obviously did not think all the way through. Either that, or are simply incapable of doing so. Take the power away from arbitrary words, and then they?ll have no impact. Call me a cracker, see if I care. Black people have adopted the word ?nigger? as a term of endearment. I should be able to write and think what ever I want to. My actions will never be actions motivated by hate and ignorance, and that?s the difference.
Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
Mark Twain
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Day-um!!! I swear on the last 12 pack in 7 Eleven as the hurricane approaches, that was the best damn post you have ever written so far Lezli.
My post really just started out from having a really shitty day and waking up with muscle cramps at 1 o'clock in the morning and not being able to get back to sleep. I let my anger and tiredness take over and I just came to the board to vent. I was thinking about quitting my job over all the b.s. that was going on, and the more I thought about it, the madder I got. I never intended for it to become an epic. On the other hand I felt as if I were running out of steam because I had pretty much gotten Straight off my chest awhile back. I guess I have reached a second stage now. I think I will be writing more in the here and now from now on and in the spirit of "keeping with the group" I will try to write about stuff that everyone can relate to PEACEABLY.
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Oh, so it's okay you think this way, eh? You didn't appear to feel very bad for saying the things you did Lezli. Please save the tired cliche of how you have a "black" friend. Just because you are not overt with your bullshit doesn't make it any better.
You really need to get a clue about shit Lezli and think about how you would feel if the situation were reversed. I know plenty of chicks that would have kicked someone's ass for saying that racial shit you did in front of them. It's pretty inflammatory speech. I know all to well what intolerance means Lezli and I can tell you I have no tolerance for dumb self righteous bitches like you. Oh, boo hoo I'm so hurt someone is going to retort back that I'm spewing back ignorance.
I hope the bad asssed mixed kids took a good piss in that oh so special flower bed of yours bitch.[ This Message was edited by: krystene on 2004-08-28 16:22 ]
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What I had a problem with is that you seem to attribute a person's characteristics to skin color. Sure you may work with some people you find undesirable, but what does it have to do with race. The racial comments you made are very hurtful.
If you hate people for whatever reason so be it, just be true and real with your actions. It really sickens me when people like Lezli will lend a "Helping hand" to someone only to turn around and say mean things about the person. If I have a problem with someone I'm not going to be going out of my way being "nice". See, Lezli wasn't brave enough to really tell the white chick with mixed kids how she felt. Just little passive aggresive bullshit. Oh and Lezli believe me I have no problem with letting someone know they have a bad ass kid and I'm not going to sugar coat things and then turn around and say some even worse shit. To me people like you are way worse than Jerk. You are fake.
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Actually Krystene, I did say something to her. I said, "You're here for less than a half an hour and your kids trash everything around my house" then I walked back inside with my phone shaking my head in disgust. She said nothing, but I?m sure she got the impression that I was less than pleased.
What is this new loyalty? It is, above all, conformity. It is the uncritical and unquestioning acceptance of America as it is. It rejects inquiry into the race question or socialized medicine or public housing, regards as heinous any challenge to what is called the system of private enterprise, identifying that system with Americanism. It abandons evolution, repudiates the once popular concept of progress, and regards America as a finished product, perfect and complete. The concept of loyalty as conformity is a false one. It is narrow and restrictive, denies freedom of thought and conscience... What do men know of loyalty who make a mockery of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights?
Henry Steele Commager, 1947
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Oh Lezli you forgot to call her kids tar babies and the other stuff you were REALLY thinking. Keep it real Lezli. You posted much worse stuff about her than what you actually said to her. Fake, Fake, Fake.
If you really had the balls (well clit I suppose) you would have said what was Really on your mind.
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Lenny's career went through three phases, starting with the "bits" that polarized show business and launched audience walkouts. In 1958, when the Tammy Faye Bakers and Pat Robertsons were in their professional infancy, "Religions, Inc." unfrocked the religious leaders sitting around a table on Madison Avenue talking business like sleazy Broadway agents, hustlers, and used car pimps, capped with redneck evangelist Oral Roberts on the phone with Pope Pius ("P.P.") and later, John XXIII;
"Johnny, they buggin' us ovah heah with this here dumb-ass integration....no, I don' want no more quotations from outen th' Bible! They want us to come out and say things like, let them go to school with them! And they don't want the Bomb....Sure they're commies!....And Philly Joe [Jones, Miles Davis's drummer] says hello...."
Lenny's mosy disturbing bit, never recorded in its entirety, was "How to Relax Your Colored Friends at Parties" with black guitarist Eric Miller. Lenny starts by proposing toasts to Joe Louis, Bojangles - "all you people can tapdance, right?" - and Paul Robeson "who was all right until he got into that commie horseshit." Getting progressively smashed, Lenny concludes with:
"Say, you're a good boy. Lemme ask you somethin'. I always heard that you guys, well, I heard you really got a big wang-on, like a baby's arm with an apple in its fist. Could I see it? Aw, c'mon - let's whip out that roll of tarpaper and see whatcha got there, Chonga!"
Nat Hentoff wrote: "The lines are close enough to parody to allow the audience to laugh, but many find themselves squirming, because Bruce's point is how very little casual social relationship exists between Negroes and the most enlightened white liberals."
This was going on before I was even born in 1962. Lenny Bruce was a brilliant and gutsy comedian who was'nt afraid to tell it like it is.
He died of a heroin overdose in public disgrace, but I am sure if he saw what little progress has been made in this country with all the "hoes" and gold teeth "playuhs" that dominate daytime television with their monkeyshine antics on Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, and all the rest, he would spin in his grave so fast he would pop out in China.
Hell, here is what Bill Cosby had to say about it all...........
It's not racism, it's truth. It's about time someone said it. Said what? Said what Bill Cosby said in his tirade against African American degenerates who beat women, drop out of school, steal, and do everything else they're not supposed to. Unfortunately 98% of the blacks who listened to Cosby speak will consider him racist, stupid, "out his god damn mind," and Bill's wise words of truth will fall on deaf ears. The extremely interesting part about his speech is that it's not racist at all because what he said can be adhered to any race or sex. The following is a brief synopsis of Bill Cosby bringing the house down while attempting to help people realize they are pieces of shit.
The Cos' said:
"You've got to stop beating up your women because you can't find a job, because you didn't want to get an education and now you're (earning) minimum wage," Cosby said. "You should have thought more of yourself when you were in high school, when you had an opportunity."
The truth:
It doesn't matter what color you are, you can still give a woman two black eyes if she asks to watch a Lifetime movie when Monday Night Football is on. Too cool for school? That's fine because now you're not cool enough to get a real job. Enjoy stacking burgers and stealing from the register until retirement.
The Cos' said:
"I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby said then. "And then I heard the father talk ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth."
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Comedy does help break the racial divide in our society. The difference between Lenny and some other folks is that a lot of people say and believe all the mean spirted stereotypes.
As far as Bill Cosby saying what he did he was trying to make a point about people getting their act together so they can be successful. Yes, a lot of people were upset because they thought whites would take what Bill said out of context and have yet one more thing to hold over their heads.
Let us not forget all the fucked up white people out here. It's everywhere. Really, saying someone is fucked up is sort of judging them. Fucked up by whose standards? People have a tendancy to think anyone that deviates from the dominant values of society are somehow less of a person. Classism and racism are very much a part of our society which can lead to a lot of things and it's not always easy for people to be the way a person thinks they are supposed to be.
I'm not usually into quotes or whatever, but I came accross this one the other day from Helen Keller before I even started doing all this arguing back and forth.
"I had once believed we were all masters of our fate-that we could mould our lives into any form we pleased... I had overcome deafness and blindness sufficiently to be happy, and I supposed that anyone could come out victorious if he threw himself valiantly into life's struggle. But as I went more and more about the country I learned that I had spoken with assurance on a subject I knew little about... I learned that the power to rise in the world is not within the reach of everyone".
-Helen Keller
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Well guess what ? I had 2 of my teeth kicked out of my mouth in jail because I was white. I dont go around openly spouting racism usually, but I do not like nor trust blacks or mexicans, and if you have a problem with that I guess I dont like you either.
I have tried to be fair and open, however, when I had my ass kicked by groups of blacks and mexicans at a time...I picked up on what racism is..and I think about it everytime I eat, and have to move food to the left side of my mouth..because people didnt like me because Im white, and had me in a situation where I was the minority.
Well guess what? Theres one more white boy out in the free world that wont ever trust a minority again.
So please, save me your little Koom Bay ya we are all fair and equal spiel...It aint like that and the blacks and mexicans are just as much to blame..
WHite heritage? no, Blind hate? no, Supremacy? no... I want my fucking teeth back!!!
Dont get upset with me for my views. I tell it like it is and if you dont like it then we agree to disagree.
PS~
Not my fault you slept with some black dude that ditched you when he got you preggers...
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Police State is coming[ This Message was edited by: Scarstruck on 2004-08-29 05:13 ][ This Message was edited by: Scarstruck on 2004-08-29 05:15 ]
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Scarstruck, I almost agreed with you until that last line... that wasnt cool.
Krystene, I am not trying to be self-righteous....if that were the case I would be name calling and slandering along with the rest of em. All I am trying to say is that in order to have a fruitful discussion...people are going to have to use painful words and share uncomfortable thoughts.
The topic we are on is not a pretty one....I suspect the solution isnt pretty either. If you truly want people to stop hating, please stop returning the hate.
I grew up in a backwater town, in a trailer. My father kicked the shit out of me if he caught me playing with black or mexican kids. Nevermind the fact that we were the only white people for miles around, who was I supposed to play with? It never made me have resentment towards minorities though, in fact I get very uncomfortable when someone makes racist comments and expects me to automatically share their viewpoint. I think the idea that the color of skin has anything to do with anything is ludicrous.
Its a cultural issue that MUST be addressed. And that issue is spread amongst all skin colors. If a black white or mexican kid grows up acting like other black white or mexican kids, its not because they are black white or mexican. Its because of the environment that most black white or mexican kids are raised in. Learn by example.
If we dont start changing the example, we might as well forget it you know? You cant jump down someones throat for admitting that they have negative feelings or responses....take it as an opportunity to educate. You would have to agree that by turning around and cutting someone up, is just a wasted opportunity.
Do you understand how it is hard to take someone seriously and openly when they return the very same sort of attitude that they are decrying?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle
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If we dont start changing the example, we might as well forget it you know? You cant jump down someones throat for admitting that they have negative feelings or responses....take it as an opportunity to educate. You would have to agree that by turning around and cutting someone up, is just a wasted opportunity.
Do you understand how it is hard to take someone seriously and openly when they return the very same sort of attitude that they are decrying?
Carmel, you are wasting your time trying to reason with these druggies. They can't think because their minds have been permanently altered by their choice to become dependent on chemicals. They only respond to TOUGH LOVE--and that's just what they'll get at the new, improved, all-white....uh....I meant to say..'all-ages' Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya!
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Are you really trying to tell me that comedians are "breaking the racial divide in society"? Mabye you ought to take a look at Chris Rock or Wayans Twins. I don't think their comedy is building any sort of a bridge. They make fun of white people plain and simple and they get away with it under the blanket of comedy. Rascism, even if it is reversed, is here to stay.
I wasn't a rascist until a few years ago when some person let me know I was because I couldn't wait on her the minute she walked into my store. She also let her two children know that I was too. Because she was impatient, she called me a rascist. At that very moment,all of my years of really trying to be impartial, not mean, nor having mean thoughts went right down into the great divide. She didn't even have the courage to speak to me about. She just ran out of the store.
She taught me a valuable lesson and her children a valuable lesson. She taught me that it doesn't really matter what I think or feel because everyone really has their own agenda and my opinion probably isn't going to change that. She taught her children a good lesson too--whenever you don't get your way immediately--just scream rascist and run away.
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On 2004-08-29 08:41:00, thebaker wrote:
"Are you really trying to tell me that comedians are "breaking the racial divide in society"? Mabye you ought to take a look at Chris Rock or Wayans Twins. I don't think their comedy is building any sort of a bridge. They make fun of white people plain and simple and they get away with it under the blanket of comedy.
Lenny Bruce was, but Rock, the Wayans, and Dave Chapelle aren't. They merely continue to parrot stereotypes that have been trite for years. Same goes for a lot of Rap artists, particularly those affiliated with the whole "5%" cult that is really a black supremacist cult.
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Thanks Newton...sign me up!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEE YAAAAAAA VIRGILLLLLLLLL!!!!!! ::spam:: ::spam:: If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb
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On 2004-08-29 06:26:00, Carmel wrote:
"Krystene, I am not trying to be self-righteous.... if that were the case I would be name calling and slandering along with the rest of em.
I challenge you to find in my posts where I was slandering Krystene. In fact, the only person who can be accused of attacking anyone is Krystene. I don?t like being called names like racist, and never have liked hearing I was "Full of shit" and "Fake" either, (so reminiscent of the Straight experience) but nowhere in my posts will you find me returning the same disrespectful dialogue to her. Now, before she jumps all over what I just said with, ?Well you called that lady?s baby names!!? ? No, I thought angry thoughts, yet simply expressed to her my unhappiness with her, and her children's behavior. I?m not going to let Krystene try to shame me for being honest about something I thought about in anger and frustration. I?m not a Straightling anymore, so I?m through with the thought police. That doesn?t mean that I?m going to go out of my way to be all nicey nicey after being irrationally and impulsively targeted by her one-sided perspective. What pissed me off in the first place was her hostile ?confrontation? of my good friend Bob here. Here?s a guy that for the past two years has done nothing but ?kept it real? for us with his talented writing, which has always been free flowing, journalistic, creative, and humorous. My immediate response after reading her comments was, ?This girl still acts as though she?s in Straight. I wonder if I should tell her she needs an exit counselor and therapy?? -- Instead, I decided to contribute with my story.
My point is that it does seem a tiny bit self-righteous to single yourself out as ?the only one? who is trying to create civil understanding here. I just don?t agree with you instilling the idea in her head that anyone in this thread has victimized her. She needs to learn that if she comes in with both fists swinging, she?s gonna reap what she sows, and in addition, do nothing to further progress the conversation, only inhibiting and isolating herself. However, I can tell by my few interactions with Krystene that I am misunderstood and misinterpreted, which makes me less apt to want to hold her hand and explain everything I?m saying s l o w l y so that she can comprehend it at all. I suppose this cancels any possibility of coffee and a bagel with her. Oh well.
There's only one party on Capital Hill and it's the bipartisan spending party.
Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste
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NO NONONONONO....I never said you were slandering anyone. What I meant by that phrase was anyone and everyone in or outside of this board that she percieves as a threat...i.e, YOU in this case. Other than the obvious connection by her in this thread, I personally was not suggesting that you slandered anyone at all. However, SHE feels that you did. See?
YOU were trying to share an honest point, Lezli, with your post. She jumped the gun and got angry with you.... which I didnt think was warranted. I am not the only one trying to bring peace to the thread, and I never attempted to single myself out as such. I happen to be standing up for you in a sense, please re-read my posts.
My intention was to make the comparision that SHE was acting in a fashion that was in direct conflict with what she was proclaiming to be offended by. In other words, I felt SHE was being a tad self righteous by doing so.
I understand that it hurts to be called names. I am only trying to point out that if krystene can feel so strongly hateful and react so defensively....how is she any different from those she reacts to? And where is the solution? There will be none as long as the discussion continues down the gutter. K?
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-- Robert Heinlein
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-08-29 13:59 ]
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Funny Brad, you now want to start attacking me too. BTW, I was never ditched by a "Black dude" while being pregnant.
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On 2004-08-29 06:26:00, Carmel wrote:
"Scarstruck, I almost agreed with you until that last line... that wasnt cool.
Krystene, I am not trying to be self-righteous....if that were the case I would be name calling and slandering along with the rest of em. All I am trying to say is that in order to have a fruitful discussion...people are going to have to use painful words and share uncomfortable thoughts.
The topic we are on is not a pretty one....I suspect the solution isnt pretty either. If you truly want people to stop hating, please stop returning the hate.
I grew up in a backwater town, in a trailer. My father kicked the shit out of me if he caught me playing with black or mexican kids. Nevermind the fact that we were the only white people for miles around, who was I supposed to play with? It never made me have resentment towards minorities though, in fact I get very uncomfortable when someone makes racist comments and expects me to automatically share their viewpoint. I think the idea that the color of skin has anything to do with anything is ludicrous.
Its a cultural issue that MUST be addressed. And that issue is spread amongst all skin colors. If a black white or mexican kid grows up acting like other black white or mexican kids, its not because they are black white or mexican. Its because of the environment that most black white or mexican kids are raised in. Learn by example.
If we dont start changing the example, we might as well forget it you know? You cant jump down someones throat for admitting that they have negative feelings or responses....take it as an opportunity to educate. You would have to agree that by turning around and cutting someone up, is just a wasted opportunity.
Do you understand how it is hard to take someone seriously and openly when they return the very same sort of attitude that they are decrying?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle
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I hear what you are saying Carmel, but one can only listen to so much. I'm human and have feelings just like everyone else and the shit that keeps being said is pretty inflamatory.
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So you are letting one person be the example for all the rest????? Unreal.
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sigh...racism is really stoopid.
But on the bright side...brilliant comedy from Dr. Miller Newton a few posts back....absolutely brilliant!
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Lezli, I have no problem keeping those "2 fists" up. Lezli, you are fake plain and simple. You are the worst kind of person. One who is filled with hateful thoughts and doesn't even have the guts to say it out loud and will still "help" a person. Don't try to make me worse than you because I attacked you. Damn right I did. Who cares if you didn't direct the shit you said to me? Point is you called the kids tar babies. Seeing how my kids happen to be part black don't you think that was just a little beyond hurtful? Now you try to justify it as just your "thoughts"? Save all your wanna be "I'm so calm and intellectual bullshit" for someone who gives a fuck. At this point whatever you have to say to me is unrepairable.
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On 2004-08-29 13:56:00, Carmel wrote:
"NO NONONONONO....I never said you were slandering anyone. What I meant by that phrase was anyone and everyone in or outside of this board that she percieves as a threat...i.e, YOU in this case. Other than the obvious connection by her in this thread, I personally was not suggesting that you slandered anyone at all. However, SHE feels that you did. See?
YOU were trying to share an honest point, Lezli, with your post. She jumped the gun and got angry with you.... which I didnt think was warranted. I am not the only one trying to bring peace to the thread, and I never attempted to single myself out as such. I happen to be standing up for you in a sense, please re-read my posts.
My intention was to make the comparision that SHE was acting in a fashion that was in direct conflict with what she was proclaiming to be offended by. In other words, I felt SHE was being a tad self righteous by doing so.
I understand that it hurts to be called names. I am only trying to point out that if krystene can feel so strongly hateful and react so defensively....how is she any different from those she reacts to? And where is the solution? There will be none as long as the discussion continues down the gutter. K?
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-- Robert Heinlein
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Suddenly, I'm the bad person here because I have said some awful stuff. Oh well. Pretty hypocritical that it's okay for others to keep saying sick shit. Sick ass people don't respond to reason and guess what I'm not going to sit here and be polite and act like my feelings haven't been hurt over all this bullshit that has been said.
Saying I still act like I'm in Straight or need therapy is pretty low blow in itself. Maybe Lezli needs some herself to purge her mind of how she thinks she is so much better just because her hate is not overt.
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On 2004-08-29 13:56:00, Carmel wrote:
"NO NONONONONO....I never said you were slandering anyone. What I meant by that phrase was anyone and everyone in or outside of this board that she percieves as a threat...i.e, YOU in this case. Other than the obvious connection by her in this thread, I personally was not suggesting that you slandered anyone at all. However, SHE feels that you did. See?
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Okay, I got ya. Sorry about that. :grin: "And suffering is not a badge of honor. Experiencing tyranny does not deserve a bow or a kiss. The honor is in removing the stumbling stone. The honor is in the impolite destruction of tyranny through honest, powerful dialogue - not etiquette. Not political correctness." -- Maximus
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Oh Lezli or Morli whatever you choose to call yourself over here. Now I know why you jumped on the bandwagon to talk some shit to me. I just found out you were "Morli". I seem to remember a nasty little post of yours where you were jealous someone was talking to me. Don't hate on me just because he didn't want your skanky ass bitch. I looked at your pic and your sickening naked pics and they were revolting.
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I looked at those pics and I got wood.
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On 2004-08-29 14:20:00, krystene wrote:
Saying I still act like I'm in Straight or need therapy is pretty low blow in itself.
You should be proud, Krystene! Having someone say you act like you're still in Straight is the highest compliment anyone can be given. I think you need to write an MI on your appreciation for the program and why you feel compelled to hide it. I think maybe a little refresher is in order--at the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya!
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On 2004-08-31 11:07:00, Dr. Miller Newton wrote:
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On 2004-08-29 14:20:00, krystene wrote:
Saying I still act like I'm in Straight or need therapy is pretty low blow in itself.
You should be proud, Krystene! Having someone say you act like you're still in Straight is the highest compliment anyone can be given. I think you need to write an MI on your appreciation for the program and why you feel compelled to hide it. I think maybe a little refresher is in order--at the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya!
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Yeah, it's funny that bitch LEZLI was running her mouth saying that. I remember oh not so long ago when she was over here trolling someone who didn't want her. To fake to post her name behind the vulgarities and insults. Then I also remember out of the blue how she came to another site and posted a nasty little reply to me because she was jealous someone was talking to me and not her. Next she proceeded to blow up the board with cuss words and insults. How hypocritical can you be Lezli?????? You are a fake. Maybe you too need some counseling for your rage and trying to cheat on your husband and send another man some of your nasty pics. Bitch you must have been crazy to do it because you are hit body and face!
YENTA ring any bells???? DING DING DING!
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Oh God please don't encourage her to start up with her nude photos again. We all have copies. Please back slowly away from the keyboard and never ever mention her "artistic photos" again.
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On 2004-08-31 11:39:00, krystene wrote:
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On 2004-08-31 11:07:00, Dr. Miller Newton wrote:
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On 2004-08-29 14:20:00, krystene wrote:
Saying I still act like I'm in Straight or need therapy is pretty low blow in itself.
You should be proud, Krystene! Having someone say you act like you're still in Straight is the highest compliment anyone can be given. I think you need to write an MI on your appreciation for the program and why you feel compelled to hide it. I think maybe a little refresher is in order--at the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya!
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Yeah, it's funny that bitch LEZLI was running her mouth saying that. I remember oh not so long ago when she was over here trolling someone who didn't want her. To fake to post her name behind the vulgarities and insults. Then I also remember out of the blue how she came to another site and posted a nasty little reply to me because she was jealous someone was talking to me and not her. Next she proceeded to blow up the board with cuss words and insults. How hypocritical can you be Lezli?????? You are a fake. Maybe you too need some counseling for your rage and trying to cheat on your husband and send another man some of your nasty pics. Bitch you must have been crazy to do it because you are hit body and face!
YENTA ring any bells???? DING DING DING!"
Cat Fight...dam women can get vendictive..., how about I throw some jello or mud in that pit and we can have some real entertainment
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It warms my heart to see how well you all have retained the confronting skills that I generously made available to you in Straight. This shows me how hard you worked to internalize your program. With dedication to your program like that, I am sure that all of you will fly through your phases at the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya! Have a seat....
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Don't you know what a "tar baby" is?
"Song Of The South"(Uncle Remus,Brare Rabbit,Brare Bear and Brear Fox)
Q: What did the tar baby say?
A: The tar baby didnt say nothin at all.
It is not a racist comment to say "tar baby",even if your daddy is a nigger.
(What ever you do,Pleeeeese dont throw me in that briar patch!)
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I dont think Im better than a black person per se. Well depends on what you mean by better really.
I think its more a matter of...I cannot hold a conversation about anything with your average black person, the cultural diffrence is just too great.
I dont feel comfortable around them ...wouldnt let one in my house..etc. Thats my personal choice...
I dont feel the need to go around starting shit, but its my choice whom I talk to and allow in my personal space and I dont have to answer for that.
In the dealings I have had with black people, I have never gotten a "straight up" deal from them. Even in the drug trade, black peope got the shitty small bags of weed...small crack rocks...fake cocaine...
And black people are just as racist as white people so spare me the cornered minority bullshit.
All of my attitudes I learned in a Texas prison.
Blacks treated the whites like shit, or tried too.
In fact there was a 6 week race riot in 1998 over this stuff.
I dont give a fuck about what you say I have seen with my own eyes "how it is"
And I dont give a shit what anyone says about me or my views. I will back them up until I die.
If someone has a problem with it, tough shit.
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Im not asking for anyone to side with me Carmel.
I dont give a shit about "internet post war" stuff.
I merely stated my honest opinion and experience, at least I dont give the "Oh my best homeboy is black" line...
I merely stated a real opinion and a real experience...if you cant handle it then dont read my posts. I didnt say anything about your opinions...have at them. Im talking about ME.
And I apologize for saying you were knocked up and left or whatever but it pisses me off when people start the "White folks are so evil and the poor black ppl just cant get no love and fairness" bullshit. I fought with blacks and mexicans non stop in jails and prison...and had my life at risk over it.
PLEASE dont feed me that bullshit about koom bay yah.
I know the way things really are...I defended my opinion in the past and will continue to do so..
But I apologize for the personal shit talking, I dont know you and never talked to you. And I dont really are who you fuck or what kids or friends you have...our paths will never cross. Im here to discuss and read, not make buddies.
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Maybe it's just where yer at, SS. I converse and joke around w/ black folks just fine "up here..."
On the other hand, I acknowledge that an experience like that in prison could definitely taint a person's feeling toward people..
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On 2004-09-01 06:51:00, Scarstruck wrote:
"Im not asking for anyone to side with me Carmel.
I dont give a shit about "internet post war" stuff.
I merely stated my honest opinion and experience, at least I dont give the "Oh my best homeboy is black" line...
I merely stated a real opinion and a real experience...if you cant handle it then dont read my posts. I didnt say anything about your opinions...have at them. Im talking about ME.
And I apologize for saying you were knocked up and left or whatever but it pisses me off when people start the "White folks are so evil and the poor black ppl just cant get no love and fairness" bullshit. I fought with blacks and mexicans non stop in jails and prison...and had my life at risk over it.
PLEASE dont feed me that bullshit about koom bay yah.
I know the way things really are...I defended my opinion in the past and will continue to do so..
But I apologize for the personal shit talking, I dont know you and never talked to you. And I dont really are who you fuck or what kids or friends you have...our paths will never cross. Im here to discuss and read, not make buddies.
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I'm confused who you are talking about, me in the whole thing because you said "Carmel", but said stuff about my situation. My issue wasn't even really with you except that it was hurtful about the comment you made. Whatever, it's over though. If you don't care for certain people fine at least you are real enough to not smile up in their face and do stuff for them. So refreshing to hear someone say they are not going to use the "black friend" line. Some idiots around here seem to think using that line gives them a pass.
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Krystene,
I said best friend, not just friend. You make a lot of assumptions, all of which have been inaccurate about. On the other hand, I have made no assumptions about you, and only base what I think of you from what you have displayed here flamboyantly for all to see. Regardless, I hope you have a great life. All of us survivors deserve to know what real love feels like, and I would hope that that is our reason for the time we spend here, and why we share ourselves with other survivors and families of abusive behavior modification programs.
Pictures!!!
Note: One of these has an almost naked black man in them, so if that offends you, don't look!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/ ... ripper.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/delicatepink_knife/stripper.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/ ... olandI.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/delicatepink_knife/carolandI.jpg)
For my Bachlorette party, we had two cakes in the shape of penises, one white, and one black. The party had a mix of whitie-white girls, ranging from indie/emo music girls, to D&D Ren-Fair, nerdy girls. On my best friend?s side it was her Auntie, her sister-in-law, and some other friends. This stripper guy did his show for almost an hour. He was very strong, and was also pretty insistent about our participation. I saw my sister do things that night that I know for a fact she will never do again. And I have it on film!!! (Not for you guys though) My friend who put this party on has been a close friend of mine since I lived in St. Louis, about 8 years now. She was my neighbor turned best friend, and over the years I have pretty much become a part of their family, and she ours. She was my matron of honor at my wedding, but unfortunately unable to be here because she was ill. That was a big disappointment, because out of all my friends, I treasure our friendship the most. She has been an amazing support, and devoted friend who I have learned much from throughout the years. We?ve been through a lot together. My main reason for even saying this is because I want you to understand, Krystene that it is your attitude that strengthens the racial divide in the end, not mine. I will always practice my right to speak my mind, and be able to disagree with the morals and/or ethics of other people without hate or race playing a role in that decision. As I said before, that is your misunderstanding.
I?d like to applaud the majority of the people in this thread for keeping it together, and not falling into that ever-so-familiar ?confrontational? frame of mind, that will never get any of us the places that real communication and compassion will.
Cheers.
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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Enough with the bickering regarding petty racist p.c./not p.c. shit...can we just have some more revolting naked pics of Lezli, Morli, anybody?
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On 2004-09-01 12:13:00, lezli or morli wrote:
"Krystene,
I said best friend, not just friend. You make a lot of assumptions, all of which have been inaccurate about. On the other hand, I have made no assumptions about you, and only base what I think of you from what you have displayed here flamboyantly for all to see. Regardless, I hope you have a great life. All of us survivors deserve to know what real love feels like, and I would hope that that is our reason for the time we spend here, and why we share ourselves with other survivors and families of abusive behavior modification programs.
Pictures!!!
Note: One of these has an almost naked black man in them, so if that offends you, don't look!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/ ... ripper.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/delicatepink_knife/stripper.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/ ... olandI.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/delicatepink_knife/carolandI.jpg)
For my Bachlorette party, we had two cakes in the shape of penises, one white, and one black. The party had a mix of whitie-white girls, ranging from indie/emo music girls, to D&D Ren-Fair, nerdy girls. On my best friend?s side it was her Auntie, her sister-in-law, and some other friends. This stripper guy did his show for almost an hour. He was very strong, and was also pretty insistent about our participation. I saw my sister do things that night that I know for a fact she will never do again. And I have it on film!!! (Not for you guys though) My friend who put this party on has been a close friend of mine since I lived in St. Louis, about 8 years ago. She was my neighbor turned best friend, and over the years I have pretty much become a part of their family, and she ours. She was my matron of honor at my wedding, but unfortunately unable to be here because she was ill. That was a big disappointment, because out of all my friends, I treasure our friendship the most. She has been an amazing support, and devoted friend who I have learned much from throughout the years. We?ve been through a lot together. My main reason for even saying this is because I want you to understand, Krystene that it is your attitude that strengthens the racial divide in the end, not mine. I will always practice my right to speak my mind, and be able to disagree with the morals and/or ethics of other people without hate or race playing a role in that decision. As I said before, that is your misunderstanding.
I?d like to applaud the majority of the people in this thread for keeping it together, and not falling into that ever-so-familiar ?confrontational? frame of mind, that will never get any of us the places that real communication and compassion will.
Cheers.
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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Save it Lezli. The things you said are not okay just because you have a black friend. The other point I made is that you don't have the guts to say those types of things to the people you don't like. Flamboyant????? I think you take the cake on that one! Harrassing a married man that doesn't want you and not even being woman enough to post your name. Not to mention you are married! Does your husband know what a cheating whore you are? You went over the top sending another man naked pics and even more by writing me a nasty little post for someone talking to me nice shortly after I found that board. Don't forget about your little temper tamtrum over on the Straight Alumni Board Lezli. No, bitch you fueled the flames by saying all that nasty shit you said. You, think I'm just going to act as if I don't have any feelings about that shit? Well I'm not as long as bitches like you feel like you have a right to run your mouth I'm going to say what I feel as well. Now go get me my gas can you bitch! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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On 2004-08-31 13:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh God please don't encourage her to start up with her nude photos again. We all have copies. Please back slowly away from the keyboard and never ever mention her "artistic photos" again. "
Sorry I couldn't resist the keyboard. She's back with the pics! :lol: You know she proclaimed to be an exhibitionist and all. Sad the ugly one's are always the one's that want to display the goods.
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For the love of god krystene...let it go already, Jesus next subject please.
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If those pics of Lezli were revolting and ugly.....please please dont post what you think is attractive. I dont want to know!
I think your very attractive Lezli. If I had the body to show off photographically, this place would be a regular den of iniquity. I guess that makes me a cheatin, lyin whore too. Oh well, if I only had a body like that......cheatin and whorin might be just my thing!
Props to the nakedness! We can always use more T&A!
A free people ought...to be armed...
George Washington, 1790
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-09-01 15:40 ]
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On 2004-09-01 15:38:00, Carmel wrote:
"If those pics of Lezli were revolting and ugly.....please please dont post what you think is attractive. I dont want to know!
I think your very attractive Lezli. If I had the body to show off photographically, this place would be a regular den of iniquity. I guess that makes me a cheatin, lyin whore too. Oh well, if I only had a body like that......cheatin and whorin might be just my thing!
Props to the nakedness! We can always use more T&A!
A free people ought...to be armed...
George Washington, 1790
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-09-01 15:40 ]"
Not surprising coming from trailer trash!
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LOL!
GIT ER DONE!!!!!!
It is criminal to steal a purse. It is daring to steal a fortune. It is a mark of greatness to steal a crown. The blame diminishes as the guilt increases
--Schiller (1759-1805)
:wstupid: [ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-09-01 17:57 ]
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On 2004-09-01 17:55:00, Carmel wrote:
"LOL!
GIT ER DONE!!!!!!
Blue Collar Comedy forever!!
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I never mentioned if I thought she was attractive or not. I said "please don't bring up the pictures" b/c I remember all the drama they caused before. Honestly I don't have an opinion on what a grown woman chooses to do with her body.
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More morli pics!!!! More more more~~
Krystene, can we see your ass?
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and can we have some free food while your at it??
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On 2004-09-01 15:38:00, Carmel wrote:
"If those pics of Lezli were revolting and ugly.....please please dont post what you think is attractive. I dont want to know!
I think your very attractive Lezli. If I had the body to show off photographically, this place would be a regular den of iniquity. I guess that makes me a cheatin, lyin whore too. Oh well, if I only had a body like that......cheatin and whorin might be just my thing!
Props to the nakedness! We can always use more T&A!
A free people ought...to be armed...
George Washington, 1790
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-09-01 15:40 ]"
Here here! And I think Lezli is far from ugly lol. Besides, isn't that judging a person by their appearance??
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Anyone interested in seeing the photos can send $5 and you'll get them via email.. :lol:
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I think Krystene has showed her ass plenty!
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On 2004-09-02 18:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think Krystene has showed her ass plenty! "
To plenty of black men
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:nworthy: :lol: