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http://http://www.vp-mi.com/articles/2009/01/14/breaking_news/doc496e176b41949364534296.txt

Quote from: "Oscar"

Quote from: "Guest"

I'm wondering, do you get  permission from the families to use their dead kids to promote an agenda?

No, we didn't. However all the dead kids are on several lists already. Teen advocates list is properly the most well-known but there are 3-4 more as you can see in the lists references. Second of all the media has written about them and we are only quoting articles already online.

There are some, who is listed as unknown. I guess that a part of the settlement the parents have made is that they are so ashamed of their own flesh and blood that they just want to forget they ever had him or her. If I lost a kid, I would shout out in the world until it is known how it did happen. Even if it did happen in traffic where we accept that mobility has a price of death.

thank you

of course, the families wants in this are irrelevant.

it's not about them its about the kids

If you bother to read the links in the references, you will find article after article with parents, who want safety and that is shouldn't happen for other parents and their kid - of course.

Of course I cannot interview the mother who took her own life and the life of the remaining son due to grief after a lost son, but I think that even she would acknowledge the need for these deaths to stop, even now where she is in a better place.

TB is up and running, but they have changed a few things.

The reason they were shut for a period was:

1) An investigation from the authorities on Jamaica. Some has held their hand over them for years (for money) but maybe a new sheriff was in town.
2) The lease on the hotel came to an end. It was not clear whether they could get a new one.

So all the kids ended up at Gulf Coast (The old Bethel) in Lucedale.

The buildings was in very poor shape after the Hurricane and because there was no ocean some of parents dropped by and was very angry with the so-called housing standard. They believed in the marketing material based on photos from the 80's. A lot of youth did also escape and the staff was not trained to deal with anything beside drinking beer on the shifts.

An informant has told be that the campus in Lucedale is almost empty. However, I have not been able to have it confirmed.

Back on Jamaica the lease went through and TB was up and running again. However the total number of kids in the WWASP system has dropped so they were in need of new customers. So Tipton/Meadowlark in Kansas are threating their detainees with TB. A couple of other non-WWASP school are doing the same. Cayman Island has made a deal so severely troubled youth are sent to TB, so they can close their eyes and state that troubled youth are not to find in their country.

So TB is up and running.

But our work have made a difference. Now people know what TB stand for and what why people near Hillary Clinton was able to help a family with a plane so they  could fly out and free a boy. From a blog:

Those involved with freeing Isaac Hersh include, Joshua Ambush, Attorney; Rabbi Aryeh Wolbe, executive director of the Torah Outreach Research Center of Houston and who is also one of the foster parents for Isaac twin brother; Rabbi Avraham Wolbe, Monsey, NY, David Pelcovitz, Phd of Yeshiva University, Mr. Zvi Gluck, Hatzalah, New York, NY; Isaac Klein, Far Rockaway NY and Senator Hillary Clinton.

Unfortunately a lot of the youth in the system doesn't have as powerful friends but the tides have turned from 1990's where even celebs used the BM industry  and in fact was promoting them. (Ryan O'Neal and wife used it for Redmond, The parents of Aaron and Nick Carter used it for their sister Leslie)

I believe that Fornits has a mission, but in order to remain a tool against the BM industry, changes have to be made.

I think that the answer is to lock the sub-forums targeted against specific programs, so only registered users can post there. Thread after thread is lost in bashing.

Next we all want to close down the BM industry. However we dont agree of the strategy. Can we at least agree on the fact that we disagree and go back and work instead?

Psy: While I respect you I see things different than you. I wont go into details but I wouldn't have used haft the time on Sue Scheff that You do. Of course she is not harmless, but a single page about her would have done the job. I warned you and Antigen repeatedly about how vulnerable the hosting situation would be and we lost a huge part of 2007 and 2008 to various movings and dataloss. Time where we could have been in the offensive. I know that I lost a lot of info inserted on the wiki and that's there are three copies online today. As some know I work in the IT-business and backup is the main issue. Today Fornits is one of main boards we are on and if the vandalism of threads can be minimized it would continue so.

Kev: I would appeal to you to to redraw to anti-wwasp. You are doing a very fine job over there. Jens is so happy with communication. I wish that you can come to a somewhat agreement with the tbfight.com owner, so someone can help keeping it free from spam. I don't believe in consolidating. There should be room for both websites. I havn't been around apall.org but my google-alerts keep finding info from it regardless of the fact that it is password protected. On the other hand keep in mind that it is better to maintain a few websites which we can afford keeping in the air instead of a lot of websites, which is periodically down to a tight economical situation. While you are at it please put  FemanonFatal2.0 rep. power up again as an act of good will. We are not back at the school. We dont need to dump peoples levels just because they are critical at the system. It didn't help people being dumped back then. It certainly don't anyone now.

FemanonFatal2.0: I have reached out to you before and that offer still stand. But don't waste your time anyone parenting strategies regardless of the fact that little chick needs to grow its wings and fly. I disagree with Pam's strategy while I 100% understand the motivation because I see it in my house every week where I can tell my wife that her illness doesn't make her a bad parent and that she don't need to compensate the kids with gifts. I also think that the parents strategy of your mom was wrong when she denied you the possibility for a loan when she knew that the only reason you was pulled was because they didn't have a clue about medication when your grandmother called them (as stated in one of your previous posts and on cafety.youthrights.org wiki). While I have never asked anything of my mom after I left my childhood home in good standing, I know that she would have given me anything if I asked for it. I have put Klaus on your board so we can help kicking it up in gear.

We are also working with Fican. Unfortunately the message board works with another syntax making it difficult for us to send textfiles with posts to our contact so it could be posted without a lot of reformatting. We will engage in a dialogue to solve that problem.

I cannot tell you how tired I am of all these fights between the boards and it would not improve my motivation to return from my sickleave and return as an active poster.

But what are spft up to right now?

1) We are going to redesign our webpage. We have not a large amount of money for that. While our search engines are not exactly our but someone else working for an official domestic cause here in Denmark, we have to pay for our website with our own money. We would never ask for any so this is not begging.

2) The Wiki would be expanded with a new time consuming category. We would like others list the teens who have died in programs, but we will also list the names of teens who have lost their lives 1-3 years out of the program. Our research indicate that the mortality rate is higher among survivors than among ordinary youths in their teens. Beside all the paid surveys from the BM industry, parents should be informed that programs also carries the risk of loosing their son or daughter even when they take on the mask of the Stepford child and graduate the program.

Conclusion:

We believe in a future of Fornits and the other boards. Without Fornits the fight against the BM industry would be put 5 years back. We only need to remove some of the vandalism which have cost us a lot of posters in the past, who have done so much for the cause. Maybe the answer is to contact them and introduce them to one of the other message boards where the tone and language are more polite.

Anyhow this was the word from Spft. My neck is beginning to hurt again and I have to lie down.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Once again fait have given the victims a chance to hit the industry hard. The previous times it was the GAO hearings. Now it is the economical situation. The programs are closing in larger numbers.

I think that it is time to put an end to all those threads where good time is wasted on personal attacks and discussing porn.

I know that several of you have been through hell. No question about that. But we have several posters waving a read cloth in front of you to provoke a personal attack. They do it so good that they could be working in the industry with knowledge about exactly what button to push. What about ignoring them. They are doing it once we give them hard questions. Rotsne had a thread where he asked TheWho about quick changes when students are sent abroad. TheWho gave a song from the warm countries instead of an answer.

Now where there is a reason to be in the offensive, it will be a shame if the posters waste time on fighting each other. I experience that the trafic is low right now. One way to improve this to moderate the forum. I know that there is an opposition against moderating the forum, but it should be clear for everyone that some posters working for the industry seem to have found a way to destroy good threads by provoking people to derail the threads into a general for-against argumentation and name-calling. There is like +10000 threads everywhere in advance on this subject.

So please moderate all forums for threads about personal conflicts between posters and remove all posts with some general sexual content. I am a Dane and cannot be provoked by such sexual statements but other can and if Fornits want to be another nail in the industry's coffin issues about sexual statements should go if they are not about the alternative sexual environment in single gender programs.

I hate to say it, but most of the links my people are putting on the wiki are from other message boards right now.

Second of all avoid fights with other NGO's even if you disagree with them. Let the attacts be on the industry and their referral businesses alone.

Just my 2 cents.

Sometime the changes are forced. Look at Aspens Excel Academy.

They have always issued orange jumpsuits to newcomers and they have always taken them down to the local jail for a little scare.

Suddenly they state that they no longer want to treat conduct problems, but addicts alone. Why?

Answer: There is a new sheriff in town.

A boy had been through the mandatory jailtrip where the inmates were allowed to put a little Vaseline on his backside after he had been ordered to strip. Suddenly the new sheriff arrested one of the staffmembers and ordered this practice to stop.

They had no choice to alter their program, because the new sheriff had removed the key-elements in it.

Here is the press release: The new Excel academy from the Fornits wiki page. and here is something about the incident: Deputy Charged Over Alleged Discipline

Some critics may say that it was a political stunt on the behalf of the sheriff, but I think he hit the target very well.

It is not very much I have been able to find out about this particular program. Here is the  link to Fornits Wiki

All info are welcome.