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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anne Bonney on October 04, 2010, 11:33:06 AM
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http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/02/anti-gay-bullying/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/02/anti-gay-bullying/)
The reason I put this in the TTI forum is that it's exactly what programs that use LGATs do. They bully kids who are gay, or goth, or different from what programs consider to be 'normal'. That's what the "break them down, build them up" crap is. They think they have to 'break' the kid of their abnormal thoughts and feelings, so they humiliate them. It's the same things as the religious groups that think they can "cure" homosexuality. Programs exist in order to mold kids into what their parents want them to be, not to help the kids grow into what they want to be. God forbid a kid doesn't conform to the 'norm'. It's almost like an exorcism.
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Yeah, this is a disturbingly prevalent trend in our culture, and plenty of creeps who enjoy cashing in on this sort of bullying...
In the [ad-libbed] words of Caligula: If only all [programmies] had one neck...
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There has always been a higher rate of bullying amongst queer kids and a higher suicide rate. I am surprised that this is only an issue now. I once met an ex mormon guy when I was in NYC who had gone to one of those de gayification camps for like 6 months poor guy. He said that there were no kids there as you had to be an adult technically making the choice yourself. But by the same token he said most guys were still pretty young and really sincere in their religious faith mostly evangelical christian or mormon with the occasional token catholic. Mostly they did not want to dissapoint their families. He was 18 when he went. Some of the shit he described was pretty bizarre including being forced to rub up against each other and the older guy who ran it in pretty erotic fashion. A lot of it sounded like being bullied. There was to be no music or popular culture and they were banned from wearing a long list of clothes. YThere was also heavy restriction on communication with the outside world.
When I got back here I discovered a couple of the evangelical churches here have "ex gay" ministries but they are a little more low key. Basically they meet up once or twice a week like a support group. Or some do a weekend retreat. Mainly just four or five lonely guys eating stale biscuits and being told by a kind but crazy middle aged lady who is usually called glenda or colleen to play more footy and listen to less techno. Apparently calling each other mate or dude also helps :eek: Id say it is equally useless and probably not any good for the self esteem of these guys but a little less humiliating and crushing. It is a strange world
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reformed12stepper wrote:
"It is a strange world"
It is indeed.
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There has always been a higher rate of bullying amongst queer kids and a higher suicide rate. I am surprised that this is only an issue now. I once met an ex mormon guy when I was in NYC who had gone to one of those de gayification camps for like 6 months poor guy. He said that there were no kids there as you had to be an adult technically making the choice yourself. But by the same token he said most guys were still pretty young and really sincere in their religious faith mostly evangelical christian or mormon with the occasional token catholic. Mostly they did not want to dissapoint their families. He was 18 when he went. Some of the shit he described was pretty bizarre including being forced to rub up against each other and the older guy who ran it in pretty erotic fashion. A lot of it sounded like being bullied. There was to be no music or popular culture and they were banned from wearing a long list of clothes. YThere was also heavy restriction on communication with the outside world.
When I got back here I discovered a couple of the evangelical churches here have "ex gay" ministries but they are a little more low key. Basically they meet up once or twice a week like a support group. Or some do a weekend retreat. Mainly just four or five lonely guys eating stale biscuits and being told by a kind but crazy middle aged lady who is usually called glenda or colleen to play more footy and listen to less techno. Apparently calling each other mate or dude also helps :eek: Id say it is equally useless and probably not any good for the self esteem of these guys but a little less humiliating and crushing. It is a strange world
One more generation and gay will not even be an issue. They are gaining acceptance (and equal footing) by leaps and bounds, even in the military. For some reason sexual orientation doesn't seem to bother people as much as color or religious affiliation differences.
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One more generation and gay will not even be an issue.
I sure hope that's true.
They are gaining acceptance (and equal footing) by leaps and bounds, even in the military.
Except for that stupid DADT policy that could've been shut down recently, but congresscritters are cowards.
For some reason sexual orientation doesn't seem to bother people as much as color or religious affiliation differences.
I don't care about anyone's religious affiliation until they try and legislate according to it. And of course the Jehovah Nitwits that wake me up on the weekends. Sorry for the slur to any real JWs out there, but the door knocking really does piss me off.
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Sorry for the slur to any real JWs out there, but the door knocking really does piss me off.
Crazy Mac used to keep a pair of long leather welding gloves by the door. When an evangelist or salesman would knock, he'd grab up those gloves and invite them along to feed the dogs.
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Sorry for the slur to any real JWs out there, but the door knocking really does piss me off.
Crazy Mac used to keep a pair of long leather welding gloves by the door. When an evangelist or salesman would knock, he'd grab up those gloves and invite them along to feed the dogs.
I've actually thought about inviting them in and debating them. When I was a kid, a friend's mom did that and they walked out of the house two hours later absolutely stunned. This lady knew her scripture well and the more she studied it, the more atheistic she got.
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And now, back to "Bullying suicide rates on the rise"
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And now, back to "Bullying suicide rates on the rise"
I think LGATs rely on bullying to "help" people realize their "need to change". The break them down, build them up crap.
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....but all of a sudden it seemed like we were talking about JHVH's witnesses or something?
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And now, back to "Bullying suicide rates on the rise"
:rofl:
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One more generation and gay will not even be an issue. They are gaining acceptance (and equal footing) by leaps and bounds, even in the military. For some reason sexual orientation doesn't seem to bother people as much as color or religious affiliation differences.
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On the whole I would agree with that. However in some communities, particularly religiously conservative ones, this is definitely not the case. For young people it is often difficult to remember that there is a much wider world than the one in front of you. And for many that world is pretty shit. It is also difficult for some gay people who are religious to deal with the continuous personal rejection because of feelings that do not go away.
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Sorry for the slur to any real JWs out there, but the door knocking really does piss me off.
Crazy Mac used to keep a pair of long leather welding gloves by the door. When an evangelist or salesman would knock, he'd grab up those gloves and invite them along to feed the dogs.
I've actually thought about inviting them in and debating them. When I was a kid, a friend's mom did that and they walked out of the house two hours later absolutely stunned. This lady knew her scripture well and the more she studied it, the more atheistic she got.
Perhaps your friend's mum should have done what this guy did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58wgn-9Y3c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58wgn-9Y3c)
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One more generation and gay will not even be an issue. They are gaining acceptance (and equal footing) by leaps and bounds, even in the military. For some reason sexual orientation doesn't seem to bother people as much as color or religious affiliation differences.
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On the whole I would agree with that. However in some communities, particularly religiously conservative ones, this is definitely not the case. For young people it is often difficult to remember that there is a much wider world than the one in front of you. And for many that world is pretty shit. It is also difficult for some gay people who are religious to deal with the continuous personal rejection because of feelings that do not go away.
I see what you are saying, Orthodox Christians believe Homosexuality can be cured and is considered rebellious behavior intended to embarrass the family. Woman who are having their period are considered unclean and therefore cannot receive the sacrament and cannot enter the church for 40 days after giving birth. Muslims are even more restrictive and women are not allowed on the main floor of the Mosque and must listen from a balcony in the back. Homosexuality is never spoken of. All these traditions will remain for several more generations to come.
The Catholic church has pretty much accepted homosexuality. So I guess to revise my statement I would say within the next generation homosexuality will not be an issue for the majority of people living in the North and South America and Europe.
I feel once the majority of the people understand something then it becomes tolerable. Homosexuality occurs in practically every specie on earth and is part of the normal variation of life.
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One more generation and gay will not even be an issue. They are gaining acceptance (and equal footing) by leaps and bounds, even in the military. For some reason sexual orientation doesn't seem to bother people as much as color or religious affiliation differences.
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On the whole I would agree with that. However in some communities, particularly religiously conservative ones, this is definitely not the case. For young people it is often difficult to remember that there is a much wider world than the one in front of you. And for many that world is pretty shit. It is also difficult for some gay people who are religious to deal with the continuous personal rejection because of feelings that do not go away.
I see what you are saying, Orthodox Christians believe Homosexuality can be cured and is considered rebellious behavior intended to embarrass the family. Woman who are having their period are considered unclean and therefore cannot receive the sacrament and cannot enter the church for 40 days after giving birth. Muslims are even more restrictive and women are not allowed on the main floor of the Mosque and must listen from a balcony in the back. Homosexuality is never spoken of. All these traditions will remain for several more generations to come.
The Catholic church has pretty much accepted homosexuality. So I guess to revise my statement I would say within the next generation homosexuality will not be an issue for the majority of people living in the North and South America and Europe.
I feel once the majority of the people understand something then it becomes tolerable. Homosexuality occurs in practically every specie on earth and is part of the normal variation of life.
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Whooter..Where in the world has the pope declared and the Catholics declared that they have accepted homosexuality? That is incorrect info..sorry Whooter try again!
More and more accepted by this world eh? Is that why when I tried to turn to survivors for support - people that were friends of mine for years about the harsh break-up from myself and my partner I was treated just so nicely here? Is that why I had a str8 friend think I was coming onto her when I called her babe b/c she felt sick? Wow Wake up Whooter....WOW is that why kids are committing suicide because us homosexuals are so well and widely accepted. Please quit talking about what you do not know.
I am an adult bi-sexual and still not accepted and loved by many b/c I am gay. I speak from experience , not speculation.
-DP
p.s. about this thread in general: can we discuss that some behavior problems from teens might also be caused by not being able to express themselves freely...like us gaymos as teens not being able to feel comfy about our inner feelings b/c of growing up with gay jokes in the house. Yeah I think that may cause certain gay teens to "act out" or stay away from their homes for fear of persecution etc... and then that can snowball into being charged by your parents with incoragible/runaway..and then they get sent to a program. I feel that this topic directly relates to the tti industry in many ways..Thanks for bringing this topic up, Anne!
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The Catholic church has pretty much accepted homosexuality.
They sure have. Priests absolutely love it, but usually only if it involves the underaged boys. This stuff coming out about what the current Pope knew and didn't do is astounding.
I feel once the majority of the people understand something then it becomes tolerable. Homosexuality occurs in practically every specie on earth and is part of the normal variation of life.
My head is spinning. I'm agreeing with Whooter again. :ftard:
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Good. Then maybe you will now admit that Whooter and Straight know what's best for you and did the right thing for you as a teenage drug addict. it's called "getting honest" Anne and we will help you get there.
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Whooter..Where in the world has the pope declared and the Catholics declared that they have accepted homosexuality? That is incorrect info..sorry Whooter try again!
More and more accepted by this world eh? Is that why when I tried to turn to survivors for support - people that were friends of mine for years about the harsh break-up from myself and my partner I was treated just so nicely here? Is that why I had a str8 friend think I was coming onto her when I called her babe b/c she felt sick? Wow Wake up Whooter....WOW is that why kids are committing suicide because us homosexuals are so well and widely accepted. Please quit talking about what you do not know.
I am an adult bi-sexual and still not accepted and loved by many b/c I am gay. I speak from experience , not speculation.
-DP
p.s. about this thread in general: can we discuss that some behavior problems from teens might also be caused by not being able to express themselves freely...like us gaymos as teens not being able to feel comfy about our inner feelings b/c of growing up with gay jokes in the house. Yeah I think that may cause certain gay teens to "act out" or stay away from their homes for fear of persecution etc... and then that can snowball into being charged by your parents with incoragible/runaway..and then they get sent to a program. I feel that this topic directly relates to the tti industry in many ways..Thanks for bringing this topic up, Anne!
I can't imagine what it must have been like to be in Straight or a similar program as a gay person. I remember guys being stood up and unbelievably humiliated because of their homo/bisexuality. It was hammered into our heads that we had to "be honest" about everything and when kids actually were honest about their sexual orientation, they were practically crucified. Then they had to go home at night to their 'oldcomer's' house and be further subjected to the humiliation. All in the name of helping them, of course. ::) What a sick fucking place.
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They sure have. Priests absolutely love it, but usually only if it involves the underaged boys. This stuff coming out about what the current Pope knew and didn't do is astounding.
Many people associate homosexuality with men having sex with under aged boys but the two are not related. You can be a homosexual and not be interested in having sex with young boys the same way as you can be a heterosexual and not have any interest in having sex with under aged girls. These people are pedophiles and as far as I know this is an abnormal behavior which is not prevalent throughout other species.
There are priests who are gay and have relationships with other men outside the church. Many of the parishioners are aware of this and now just accept it.
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Sorry for the slur to any real JWs out there, but the door knocking really does piss me off.
Crazy Mac used to keep a pair of long leather welding gloves by the door. When an evangelist or salesman would knock, he'd grab up those gloves and invite them along to feed the dogs.
I've actually thought about inviting them in and debating them. When I was a kid, a friend's mom did that and they walked out of the house two hours later absolutely stunned. This lady knew her scripture well and the more she studied it, the more atheistic she got.
Perhaps your friend's mum should have done what this guy did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58wgn-9Y3c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58wgn-9Y3c)
:cheers: :rofl:
That old guy with the broom!! :rofl:
"This is inappropriate. Take us off your list" :roflmao:
I'm seriously tempted to invite them in next time they come around.
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They sure have. Priests absolutely love it, but usually only if it involves the underaged boys. This stuff coming out about what the current Pope knew and didn't do is astounding.
Many people associate homosexuality with men having sex with under aged boys but the two are not related. You can be a homosexual and not be interested in having sex with young boys the same way as you can be a heterosexual and not have any interest in having sex with under aged girls. These people are pedophiles and as far as I know this is an abnormal behavior which is not prevalent throughout other species.
Yes, I'm aware of that. I was being facetious.
There are priests who are gay and have relationships with other men outside the church. Many of the parishioners are aware of this and now just accept it.
Eh.....I'm not so sure about that.
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Whooter..Where in the world has the pope declared and the Catholics declared that they have accepted homosexuality? That is incorrect info..sorry Whooter try again!
The pope was born in like 1920. If they told him what was going on he would have a heart attack.
More and more accepted by this world eh? Is that why when I tried to turn to survivors for support - people that were friends of mine for years about the harsh break-up from myself and my partner I was treated just so nicely here? Is that why I had a str8 friend think I was coming onto her when I called her babe b/c she felt sick? Wow Wake up Whooter....WOW is that why kids are committing suicide because us homosexuals are so well and widely accepted. Please quit talking about what you do not know.
I am an adult bi-sexual and still not accepted and loved by many b/c I am gay. I speak from experience , not speculation.
-DP
I didnt say that homosexuals are completely accepted in society. I am saying (from my perspective) that their acceptance has come a long way since the 1960's and in another generation they will be almost completely integrated and accepted. Back in the 1960's the word Gay was a slur. They were not accepted at all and were referred to as fruit cakes or as a birth defect of some type. They would marry woman and have kids because that was what was accepted of men in those days. They started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
People are still curious about homosexuals today and what makes them tick. But they are much more open now and accepted in the business world and society in general. Straight kids and homosexuals commit suicide, maybe not at the same rate. Parents are more accepting of gay children than 50 years ago but they would still prefer a straight child over a gay one I would guess and that is why the kids are not open to telling their parents that they are gay and feel much more humiliated if they are outed on the internet like what happened recently. If this were a straight kid he may still feel humiliated knowing his family may be seeing it but it would pale in comparison to a child who was having a homosexual relationship.
I didnt see you being treated badly because of your sexual orientation here on fornits. People are treated badly here in general. I am not gay but I am treated pretty bad at times.
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I didnt see you being treated badly because of your sexual orientation here on fornits.
Then you haven't been paying attention. The words dyke, faggot & others have been thrown around towards DP, Psy and others.
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They started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
I am always amazed at Whooter's solid grasp of history and I happen to agree with this statement a hundred percent. As Whooter said, before the 1960's almost all gay men were married and had kids but later all those gays moved or migrated I guess you could call it, to San Francisco and began having sex with one another. At this point there were virtually no more gays in the rest of the country. They had all moved their families to San Francisco and began having sex with each other which created the AIDS Virus. This was scientific proof that homosexuality was totally unnatural because the Virus was considered to be God's wrath on gays who turned away from His teachings. After that, in the 1970's we started treating being gay as a disease and a lot of this treatment happened in early programs. Later as programs changed and evolved they stuck to their core beliefs that they could treat homosexuality like a mental disorder and cure it. The program I went to that has its own subforum here performed the treatment right up until they were sued out of business by some disgruntled parents who pulled their kids out of the pogram too early and then wanted their money back when the kids acted up at home.
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They started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
Wait, didn't you just say this......?
Homosexuality occurs in practically every specie on earth and is part of the normal variation of life.
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I am always amazed at Whooter's solid grasp of history and I happen to agree with this statement a hundred percent. As Whooter said, before the 1960's almost all gay men were married and had kids but later all those gays moved or migrated I guess you could call it, to San Francisco and began having sex with one another. At this point there were virtually no more gays in the rest of the country. They had all moved their families to San Francisco and began having sex with each other which created the AIDS Virus.
Homosexuality did not create the AIDS virus.
This was scientific proof that homosexuality was totally unnatural because the Virus was considered to be God's wrath on gays who turned away from His teachings.
How do you explain homosexuality in animals? Are they turning away from god too?
After that, in the 1970's we started treating being gay as a disease and a lot of this treatment happened in early programs. Later as programs changed and evolved they stuck to their core beliefs that they could treat homosexuality like a mental disorder and cure it. The program I went to that has its own subforum here performed the treatment right up until they were sued out of business by some disgruntled parents who pulled their kids out of the pogram too early and then wanted their money back when the kids acted up at home.
This new Max/SUCK IT has got to be a joke.
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Gosh, everything you don't agree with has to be riduculed here. We learned at the program about how being gay was a disease or sometimes just a choice in an otherwise normal person who had not yet accepted God or who was sinning. The program was able to treat these problems. When we had gay kids in our groups we would be told by the counselor to "run our anger" about how the gay kid was ruining his life and destroying his parents and we did. We would help these gay kids by shouting at them and telling them to change and get honest so they could get away from being homosexual. I have to admit that sometimes this was uncomfortable like when the kids would start to cry or something but we were told to keep at it until they learned that being gay was wrong and hurtful. Eventually we would all be able to explain to them and get them to change but a lot of it was how the counselors facilitated this communication that made it so effective. I think we all learned a lot from it. And to the original point, it was therapeutic.
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Be proud to be gay, my friend.
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Gosh, everything you don't agree with has to be riduculed here.
Poe's law. I honestly can't tell if you're serious or parodying pro-program people. Case in point below.
We learned at the program about how being gay was a disease or sometimes just a choice in an otherwise normal person who had not yet accepted God or who was sinning. The program was able to treat these problems. When we had gay kids in our groups we would be told by the counselor to "run our anger" about how the gay kid was ruining his life and destroying his parents and we did. We would help these gay kids by shouting at them and telling them to change and get honest so they could get away from being homosexual. I have to admit that sometimes this was uncomfortable like when the kids would start to cry or something but we were told to keep at it until they learned that being gay was wrong and hurtful. Eventually we would all be able to explain to them and get them to change but a lot of it was how the counselors facilitated this communication that made it so effective. I think we all learned a lot from it.
And to the original point, it was therapeutic.
No, an entire group screaming at someone because they're gay is abusive.
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Not if they are able to stop being gay it's not. I could see if you did it to a regular kid but if the kid is gay he knows already that there's something wrong with him and he just has to accept that his peers care so much that they are willing to yell at him to prove it. It's like tough love kind of.
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Not if they are able to stop being gay it's not. I could see if you did it to a regular kid but if the kid is gay he knows already that there's something wrong with him and he just has to accept that his peers care so much that they are willing to yell at him to prove it. It's like tough love kind of.
Poe's Law
Poe's Law points out that it is hard to tell parodies of fundamentalism (or, more generally, any crackpot theory) from the real thing, since they both seem equally insane. Conversely, real fundamentalism can easily be mistaken for a parody of fundamentalism. For example, some conservatives consider noted homophobe Fred Phelps to be so over-the-top that they argue he's a "deep cover liberal" trying to discredit more mainstream homophobes.
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This is just the Fornits mob mentality on display. Fornits is so orthodoxed and rigid that it can't accept other people's opinions or experiences.
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http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/ ... laws-lgbt/ (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/10/6/school-bullying-laws-lgbt/)
In Need of Climate Change
Homophobia, not just bullying, is to blame for recent suicides
By Ryan M. Rossner
Published: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Tyler Clementi, an 18-year old student at Rutgers University, apparently committed suicide two weeks ago after his roommate allegedly videotaped and streamed Clementi being romantically involved with another man. Less than a week later, Raymond Chase, aged 19, an openly gay sophomore at Johnson & Wales in Providence, Rhode Island reportedly hanged himself in his residence hall room. Campus Pride marked Chase as the fifth LGBT-related teenage suicide in the past three weeks. Indeed, these deaths are part of a tragic string of LGBT-related “bullycides” that have claimed the lives of several college, high school, and even elementary school students, over the past year. News reporters, lawmakers, school administrators, and politicians are rightfully alarmed over these recent tragedies. However, their emphasis on “bullying” is mistaking the proximal cause for the true root of the problem. What our nation needs is not stricter bullying laws and enforcement but a cultural climate more tolerant of LGBT youth.
The emphasis that has been placed upon cyberbullying and bullying in the classroom oversimplifies the issues at hand. It is certainly true that harassment is an important issue for our society to grapple with, publically and legally. Whether online, in the workforce, or in the classroom, bullying is an incredibly damaging and harmful phenomenon. However, the response to the recent suicides myopically ignores the true cause of these incidents: intolerance of abnormality.
The truth is, bullies are not born, but created. It is our culture, our politics, and our laws that teach bullies that alternative sexualities and lifestyles are unnatural, immoral, and worthy of stigmatization. A survey in 2009 found that 85 percent of LGBT students report experiencing harassment at school. Another study estimated that almost a quarter of queer teenagers drop out of school because of harassment. Finally, queer teen suicide rates are four times those of their straight classmates. There is a reason why individuals with or perceived as having LGBT lifestyles are more at risk for being bullied—because bullies are taught that these people are inferior.
At this time, America needs to do more than merely tighten bullying laws and move on. Instead, it is time for politicians, reporters, teachers, school administrators, and religious leaders to realize that widespread cultural intolerance of LGBT identities has tangible effects on school climates and students. These teenagers are not merely victims of a few bullies from their school but victims of a political environment polluted by hazardous, hateful, and homophobic rhetoric.
There are some concrete steps toward remedying this problem. As of this June, only 17 states (and Washington D.C) have laws that address LGBT-related bullying and discrimination in elementary, middle, or high school. As of June 2009, at least 14 states still lack any hate-crime laws that protect LGBT identities. Elected officials still refuse to legalize same-sex marriage, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” has yet to be repealed, and the Defense of Marriage Act continues to exist. Together, these homophobic laws and lack of proper legal protections send a message to the bullies and bullied of America that being gay is still not ok.
Indeed, what is really needed in response to the tragedies of the past week is climate change. We, as Harvard students and as Americans, need to create a more tolerant and welcoming climate for all students.
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More liberal elitist crap from Harvard. What LGBT kids need is a serious program designed to treat those issues and teach them how to make the choice to be straight.
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This is just the Fornits mob mentality on display. Fornits is so orthodoxed and rigid that it can't accept other people's opinions or experiences.
Yeah, Anna Banana wanted to impress us with her reading capability and comprehension.
Seriously, thanks for the work up on Poes Law, that was pretty good.
Gosh, sometimes I wish I had your job. You must come across in a average day some interesting articles.
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This is just the Fornits mob mentality on display. Fornits is so orthodoxed and rigid that it can't accept other people's opinions or experiences.
Yeah, Anna Banana wanted to impress us with her reading capability and comprehension.
Seriously, thanks for the work up on Poes Law, that was pretty good.
Well, the topic was bullying and suicide, correct? I ran across an article about bullying that ended with tragic consequences, so I posted it. Crazy, I know. ::)
You, OTOH, appear intent on trying to create another pissing match.
Gosh, sometimes I wish I had your job.
You would first need to learn how to write in English properly.
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This is just the Fornits mob mentality on display. Fornits is so orthodoxed and rigid that it can't accept other people's opinions or experiences.
Yeah, Anna Banana wanted to impress us with her reading capability and comprehension.
Seriously, thanks for the work up on Poes Law, that was pretty good.
Well, the topic was bullying and suicide, correct? I ran across an article about bullying that ended with tragic consequences, so I posted it. Crazy, I know. ::)
You, OTOH, appear intent on trying to create another pissing match.
Gosh, sometimes I wish I had your job.
You would first need to learn how to write in English properly.
You, OTOH, appear intent on trying to create another pissing match.
Anne, stop acting like the selfish brat you have always been and take responsibility for your part in this pissing match. Your sarcastic big mouth I'm sure has gotten you into more trouble. We here on fornits have always had patience with you for this character flaw but it can be a bit much when you refuse to be held accountable for your actions.
Stop whining please. We (Max & Danny) just don't agree with most of what you say and find you to be lacking in integrity in some of your posts.
Anne, you are constantly questioning are integrity, you don't hear us screaming.
We can be passionate when writing our posts as you can be at times.
Oh, BTW you don't work for FOX NEWS as a pundit, news anchor or journalists/reporter, so when you want to quote me, please quote my whole post and not excerpts that you can twist anyway you like.
Anne, that kind of quoting of another's post, could incite a pissing match.
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We here on fornits have always had patience with you for this character flaw but it can be a bit much when you refuse to be held accountable for your actions.
:roflmao: :roflmao:
That one really did make me LOL.
Stop whining please. We (Max & Danny) just don't agree with most of what you say and find you to be lacking in integrity in some of your posts.
And this matters to me.......why?
Oh, BTW you don't work for FOX NEWS as a pundit, news anchor or journalists/reporter, so when you want to quote me, please quote my whole post and not excerpts that you can twist anyway you like.
Anne, that kind of quoting of another's post, could incite a pissing match.
I'm not twisting it, I'm responding to the pertinent statements. Occasionally I'll tweak it to make fun, but I make it pretty obvious so that it's apparent that it's a joke. If you can't take that, then you're not the internet tough guy I thought you were.
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Anne wrote:
I'm not twisting it, I'm responding to the pertinent statements. Occasionally I'll tweak it to make fun, but I make it pretty obvious so that it's apparent that it's a joke. If you can't take that, then you're not the internet tough guy I thought you were.
I, need "you" to stop saying this, "Internet Tuff Guy", it really was not me during that period of time. Oh, Yes, I had a few things to say but all in all it wasn't me. Now that does not mean I don't take responsibility for comments made under my username, I do. I am just not that tuff nor want to be, to old sister.
I only get tuff when I talk with Ginger and Ursus and then it is hard to maintain it.
I am just as sensitive as the next guy/gal.
Now, do I love to banter and debate, sure do. Usually like it with a slight sarcasm to it, like you do it. Love it.
I know, I am admitting to being a bit skewed.
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Anne wrote:
I'm not twisting it, I'm responding to the pertinent statements. Occasionally I'll tweak it to make fun, but I make it pretty obvious so that it's apparent that it's a joke. If you can't take that, then you're not the internet tough guy I thought you were.
I, need "you" to stop saying this, "Internet Tuff Guy", it really was not me during that period of time. Oh, Yes, I had a few things to say but all in all it wasn't me. Now that does not mean I don't take responsibility for comments made under my username, I do. I am just not that tuff nor want to be, to old sister.
I only get tuff when I talk with Ginger and Ursus and then it is hard to maintain it.
I am just as sensitive as the next guy/gal.
Now, do I love to banter and debate, sure do. Usually like it with a slight sarcasm to it, like you do it. Love it.
I know, I am admitting to being a bit skewed.
Totally programmed, delusional, fucking whack-job is a far more accurate description
of you Danny B II. :twofinger:
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Make of this as you will. Anybody know of the trevor project?
I'll start googling now. I just wanted to put this up here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... -own-lives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101006/pl_yblog_upshot/stars-urge-gay-teens-not-to-take-their-own-lives)
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Make of this as you will. Anybody know of the trevor project?
I'll start googling now. I just wanted to put this up here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... -own-lives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101006/pl_yblog_upshot/stars-urge-gay-teens-not-to-take-their-own-lives)
Interesting link. While I can't say that I support kids being gay - I certainly don't want them committing suicide because of it! Hopefully this new initiative does some good for this particular group of at-risk kids.
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Make of this as you will. Anybody know of the trevor project?
I'll start googling now. I just wanted to put this up here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... -own-lives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101006/pl_yblog_upshot/stars-urge-gay-teens-not-to-take-their-own-lives)
Interesting link. While I can't say that I support kids being gay - I certainly don't want them committing suicide because of it! Hopefully this new initiative does some good for this particular group of at-risk kids.
What do you mean by support them? Its not like they have a choice to be gay or not.
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Anne wrote:
I'm not twisting it, I'm responding to the pertinent statements. Occasionally I'll tweak it to make fun, but I make it pretty obvious so that it's apparent that it's a joke. If you can't take that, then you're not the internet tough guy I thought you were.
I, need "you" to stop saying this, "Internet Tuff Guy", it really was not me during that period of time. Oh, Yes, I had a few things to say but all in all it wasn't me. Now that does not mean I don't take responsibility for comments made under my username, I do. I am just not that tuff nor want to be, to old sister.
I only get tuff when I talk with Ginger and Ursus and then it is hard to maintain it.
I am just as sensitive as the next guy/gal.
Now, do I love to banter and debate, sure do. Usually like it with a slight sarcasm to it, like you do it. Love it.
I know, I am admitting to being a bit skewed.
Totally programmed, delusional, fucking whack-job is a far more accurate description
of you Danny B II. :twofinger:
and what did this have to do with you and your vulgar mouth. Please stay on topic.
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Make of this as you will. Anybody know of the trevor project?
I'll start googling now. I just wanted to put this up here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... -own-lives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101006/pl_yblog_upshot/stars-urge-gay-teens-not-to-take-their-own-lives)
Interesting link. While I can't say that I support kids being gay - I certainly don't want them committing suicide because of it! Hopefully this new initiative does some good for this particular group of at-risk kids.
What do you mean by support them? Its not like they have a choice to be gay or not.
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Thank you Whooter, it has never been a choice for gays. More people need to understand this. Once they do the attacks will subside.
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Make of this as you will. Anybody know of the trevor project?
I'll start googling now. I just wanted to put this up here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... -own-lives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101006/pl_yblog_upshot/stars-urge-gay-teens-not-to-take-their-own-lives)
Interesting link. While I can't say that I support kids being gay - I certainly don't want them committing suicide because of it! Hopefully this new initiative does some good for this particular group of at-risk kids.
What do you mean by support them? Its not like they have a choice to be gay or not.
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Thank you Whooter, it has never been a choice for gays. More people need to understand this. Once they do the attacks will subside.
This is an entirely unrelated topic from the thread at hand. But personally, I'm not 100%
convinced of this. Many people I'm sure are born gay, while some people I believe turn to it
because they are curious and/or confused, and for others it could be a learned behavior based on the environment they grew up in (ie: gay parents). I don't know what the cause is for sure, and I don't think anyone conclusively does - not even Gay people themenselves. It really doesn't matter to me why people are Gay - because I'll never understand that particular lifestyle anyway.
In any event, I do wholeheartedly agree that people should NOT be persecuted or bullied for being gay. It has nothing to do with whether or not people choose to be gay, or whether being gay is morally right or wrong, because all of that is irrelevant - people will believe whatever they want to. But none of us have any right to pass judgement on or to condemn Gay people. Only God can do that - that's his job, not mine, yours, or anyone elses. That's just how I see it.
I'm glad that this initiative exists to help Gay kids. Life is a horrible thing to waste, and certainly confusion (or non-confusion) about one's sexuality is no reason for taking your own
life. I hope these at-risk kids get all of the help that they need. God Bless Them.
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Make of this as you will. Anybody know of the trevor project?
I'll start googling now. I just wanted to put this up here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... -own-lives (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101006/pl_yblog_upshot/stars-urge-gay-teens-not-to-take-their-own-lives)
Interesting link. While I can't say that I support kids being gay - I certainly don't want them committing suicide because of it! Hopefully this new initiative does some good for this particular group of at-risk kids.
What do you mean by support them? Its not like they have a choice to be gay or not.
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Thank you Whooter, it has never been a choice for gays. More people need to understand this. Once they do the attacks will subside.
This is an entirely unrelated topic from the thread at hand. But personally, I'm not 100%
convinced of this. Many people I'm sure are born gay, while some people I believe turn to it
because they are curious and/or confused, and for others it could be a learned behavior based on the environment they grew up in (ie: gay parents). I don't know what the cause is for sure, and I don't think anyone conclusively does - not even Gay people themenselves. It really doesn't matter to me why people are Gay - because I'll never understand that particular lifestyle anyway.
In any event, I do wholeheartedly agree that people should NOT be persecuted or bullied for being gay. It has nothing to do with whether or not people choose to be gay, or whether being gay is morally right or wrong, because all of that is irrelevant - people will believe whatever they want to. But none of us have any right to pass judgement on or to condemn Gay people. Only God can do that - that's his job, not mine, yours, or anyone elses. That's just how I see it.
I'm glad that this initiative exists to help Gay kids. Life is a horrible thing to waste, and certainly confusion (or non-confusion) about one's sexuality is no reason for taking your own
life. I hope these at-risk kids get all of the help that they need. God Bless Them.
Thanks for clearing that up, Serbia, it wasnt clear to me what you meant.
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It has nothing to do with monkeys, Eliscu2. Once more we will have to turn to the smarter among us to properly explain how the AIDS virus got started. Try to understand this so we can move on.
(Gays) started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
Now do you understand? Gays started having sex with eachother in San Fran and that caused the AIDS virus and proved homosexuality was unnatural and a disease. If you have any questions, ask Whooter. He seems to have the best understanding of gay issues and science.
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Anne wrote:
I'm not twisting it, I'm responding to the pertinent statements. Occasionally I'll tweak it to make fun, but I make it pretty obvious so that it's apparent that it's a joke. If you can't take that, then you're not the internet tough guy I thought you were.
I, need "you" to stop saying this, "Internet Tuff Guy", it really was not me during that period of time. Oh, Yes, I had a few things to say but all in all it wasn't me. Now that does not mean I don't take responsibility for comments made under my username, I do. I am just not that tuff nor want to be, to old sister.
I only get tuff when I talk with Ginger and Ursus and then it is hard to maintain it.
I am just as sensitive as the next guy/gal.
Now, do I love to banter and debate, sure do. Usually like it with a slight sarcasm to it, like you do it. Love it.
I know, I am admitting to being a bit skewed.
Ummmmm, what? Once again, I have no idea what you're attempting to convey.
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AIDS IS A CURSE FROM GOD FOR HAVING GAY SEX...
I WANA KNOW WHO SCREWED AN MONKEY? :beat:
::OMG::
What. The. Fuck. You're not serious, right?
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Already answered that one, Anne. Once again your freaking out over something that is a non-issue.
It has nothing to do with monkeys, Eliscu2. Once more we will have to turn to the smarter among us to properly explain how the AIDS virus got started. Try to understand this so we can move on.
(Gays) started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
Now do you understand? Gays started having sex with eachother in San Fran and that caused the AIDS virus and proved homosexuality was unnatural and a disease. If you have any questions, ask Whooter. He seems to have the best understanding of gay issues and science.
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This guy is a perfect example of part of the problem.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... p?ref=mblt (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/top_evangelical_david_barton_government_should_regulate_homosexuality.php?ref=mblt)
Top Evangelical David Barton: Maybe Government Should 'Regulate Homosexuality'
David Barton, an evangelical and social conservative well known for his somewhat revisionist history and appearances on Glenn Beck's show, yesterday took the opportunity on his radio show to ask that age-old question: "Why don't we regulate homosexuality?"
Barton was talking about the government's involvement in the health of the American people: "We have a Department of Health and Human Services; we have health care bills; we have health insurance and we're trying to stop all unhealthy things so we're going after transfats and we're going after transparency in labeling to make sure we get all the healthy stuff in there."
He continued:
So if I got to the Centers for Disease Control and I'm concerned about health, I find some interesting stats there and this should tell me something about health.
Homosexual/bi-sexual individuals are seven times more likely to contemplate or commit suicide. Oooh, that doesn't sound very healthy.
Homosexuals die decades earlier than heterosexuals. That doesn't sound healthy.
Nearly one-half of practicing homosexuals admit to 500 or more sex partners and nearly one-third admit to a thousand or more sex partners in a lifetime.
So, he concluded: "I mean, you go through all this stuff, sounds to me like that's not very healthy. Why don't we regulate homosexuality?"
Full transcript and audio here. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/d ... on-gay-sex (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/david-barton-call-government-regulation-gay-sex)
Barton, as we've reported, is president of WallBuilders, a group that pushes a Christian-themed interpretation of American history. He appeared as an "expert" witness in the Texas Board of Education textbook hearings. He is a frequent guest on Glenn Beck's program, and was even one of the "professors" at Beck University, Glenn Beck's online university, where he talked about the influence of clergy members in the writing of the Declaration of Independence.
But he's got some pretty strong roots in politics as well. He served as the chair of the Texas GOP, campaigned with Florida Senate nominee Marco Rubio (R), launched an effort with Newt Gingrich on behalf of Sharron Angle in Nevada, and stumped for John McCain in 2008.
Rick Green, his co-host on the radio show and a fellow WallBuilders advocate, is a former Texas legislator who ran (and lost) in the primary for the state's Supreme Court this year.
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Homosexual/bi-sexual individuals are seven times more likely to contemplate or commit suicide. Oooh, that doesn't sound very healthy.
Homosexuals die decades earlier than heterosexuals. That doesn't sound healthy.
Nearly one-half of practicing homosexuals admit to 500 or more sex partners and nearly one-third admit to a thousand or more sex partners in a lifetime.
So, he concluded: "I mean, you go through all this stuff, sounds to me like that's not very healthy. Why don't we regulate homosexuality?"
I see nothing wrong with this at all, Anne. This is one of the primary reasons programs exist. We all know gay kids from our programs that were forced to change and be straight for their own good. Just look at the numbers above. If the program couldn't make a gay kid straight then that kid would be even more at risk than other teens who are off track and not flourishing at home or traditional boarding schools.
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Hah, Even Frodie gives me a ten on the Truth O Meter, Anne. At least he has the good sense to understand what I'm saying.
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Hah, Even Frodie gives me a ten on the Truth O Meter, Anne. At least he has the good sense to understand what I'm saying.
Suckit, you are the best example any of us could have hoped for to demonstrate the dangers of the kind of thought reform practiced in those places. For all of you parents out there reading this, Suckit is a proud program GRADUATE. This is the kind of maturity and values those programs will install. If you want your kid to be a sadistic, dogmatic sociopath then by all means follow the advice of Whooter and Suckit, just don't be surprised a few years later if your child, now a legal adult, tells you they want nothing to do with you anymore, have a nice life. We here at Fornits tried to warn you.
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Truth O Meter
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Hah, Even Frodie gives me a ten on the Truth O Meter, Anne. At least he has the good sense to understand what I'm saying.
Suckit, you are the best example any of us could have hoped for to demonstrate the dangers of the kind of thought reform practiced in those places. For all of you parents out there reading this, Suckit is a proud program GRADUATE. This is the kind of maturity and values those programs will install. If you want your kid to be a sadistic, dogmatic sociopath then by all means follow the advice of Whooter and Suckit, just don't be surprised a few years later if your child, now a legal adult, tells you they want nothing to do with you anymore, have a nice life. We here at Fornits tried to warn you.
More extremist banter, what a surprise. Slim Shady you have to understand that programs only exist to do the job that parents didn't want to do. "Warning" them is like telling an eskimo his house is cold. He already knows this and spent the money to send their kid to a program because they needed someone to do the work they fell short on. I can't see anything sadistic about saying so.
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Hah, Even Frodie gives me a ten on the Truth O Meter, Anne. At least he has the good sense to understand what I'm saying.
Suckit, you are the best example any of us could have hoped for to demonstrate the dangers of the kind of thought reform practiced in those places. For all of you parents out there reading this, Suckit is a proud program GRADUATE. This is the kind of maturity and values those programs will install. If you want your kid to be a sadistic, dogmatic sociopath then by all means follow the advice of Whooter and Suckit, just don't be surprised a few years later if your child, now a legal adult, tells you they want nothing to do with you anymore, have a nice life. We here at Fornits tried to warn you.
More extremist banter, what a surprise. Slim Shady you have to understand that programs only exist to do the job that parents didn't want to do. "Warning" them is like telling an eskimo his house is cold. He already knows this and spent the money to send their kid to a program because they needed someone to do the work they fell short on. I can't see anything sadistic about saying so.
Is evading their parental responsibility worth the risk that their kid will consider them a child abuser and not speak to them ever again? You seem to think that parents really don't care about their kids and just see them as a nuisance. In some cases I am sure you are right, but in most cases the parents are simply overwhelmed. They want what is best for their child, they just don't think they are capable of providing it. What I want to convey to them is that no matter how inadequate they think they are as parents, they are still far more qualified to raise them than these 'schools' are. You are NOT doing your child a favor by sending them to one of these places. You are giving them a punishment which will leave life long scars.
And you are sadistic, Suckit, because you ridicule and minimize the pain and suffering of others.
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Look, Slim Shady, I am a success because of the program. Sure I hated my parents at first but so what? Look at me now. I only use hard drugs every once in a while, when I drink it's usually a bender for less than a week and I only use weed daily, nothing else, except some oxycodone I get from my sister, but that's Rx, so it doesn't really count. Without the program I would still have substance abuse issues.
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Look, Slim Shady, I am a success because of the program. Sure I hated my parents at first but so what? Look at me now. I only use hard drugs every once in a while, when I drink it's usually a bender for less than a week and I only use weed daily, nothing else, except some oxycodone I get from my sister, but that's Rx, so it doesn't really count. Without the program I would still have substance abuse issues.
I rest my case.
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
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Look, Slim Shady, I am a success because of the program. Sure I hated my parents at first but so what? Look at me now. I only use hard drugs every once in a while, when I drink it's usually a bender for less than a week and I only use weed daily, nothing else, except some oxycodone I get from my sister, but that's Rx, so it doesn't really count. Without the program I would still have substance abuse issues.
I rest my case.
Whoa, calm down there, Slim Shady. This is just a message board not a court of law lol. And I said I hated my parents "at first" not anymore. Now we just don't talk or see eachother too much but it's not because we're angry at eachother. It's more because the program functioned like my parents and when I have time to go visiting I usually visit the old staff and my peers from there but it's closed down now. I only see my parents at thanksgiving and Christmas usually.
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
Poe? As in Edgar Allan? :seg:
Well, whatever....
It's the anniversary of his death today.. 5:30 AM. Oct 7, 1849. :dose:
R.I.P. :poison:
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
Poe? As in Edgar Allan? :seg:
Well, whatever....
It's the anniversary of his death today.. 5:30 AM. Oct 7, 1849. :dose:
R.I.P. :poison:
Woah, didn't know that. Hmm. R.I.P. indeed.
Don't know if it was actually named after him, but this is the 'urban dictionary' definition:
1. Poe's Law
Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics. "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing." In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.
The following is an actual Internet post to Biblically defend a flat Earth:
"All I was saying was that either the earth is flat, and the bible is correct, or the earth is round, and the bible is incorect (sic), i'm (sic) going to study the issue more and deside (sic) for myself which route I want to take. Either Atheist evolutionist, who agrees with all of mainstream sciences, or flat earth litteral (sic) bible believer.
I'm leaning toward being an atheist, because if I can't believe the bible to be completly (sic) litteraly (sic) true, then I can't believe Jesus when he speaks about heaven, etc..
That would make the moon landing a fake, and pretty much all of modern science false..."
Response:
"That's it, I'm claiming Poe's Law on this guy."
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I think "Poes law" was established by a guy named "Nathan Poe".
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20018025-504083.html)
Seth Walsh: Gay 13-Year-Old Hangs Self After Reported Bullying
NEW YORK (CBS) Seth Walsh, a 13-year-old California middle school student, died in the hospital on Tuesday, days after he attempted to take his own life after reportedly enduring relentless bullying.
PICTURES: Seth Walsh, Bullying Victim?
Seth, a student at Jacobsen Middle School in Tehachapi, Calif., was found unconscious and not breathing on Sept. 19 after he apparently tried to hang himself from a tree in his backyard, according to a police report obtained by The Bakersfield Californian.
Friends told NBC affiliate KGET that Seth had been picked on for years because he was gay.
Police investigators interviewed some of the young people who taunted Seth the day he hanged himself, and determined despite the tragic outcome of their ridicule, their actions do not constitute a crime, reported KGET.
"Several of the kids that we talked to broke down into tears," Jeff Kermode, Tehachapi Police Chief, said. "They had never expected an outcome such as this."
"[Bullying] is obviously something we're looking at," Sgt. Wyatt Empey told The Bakersfield Californian.
Seth was rushed to the hospital and was placed in life support in critical condition, but according to TehachapiNews.com, he succumbed to his injuries Tuesday.
Seth attended Jacobsen Middle School last year before transferring into independent study. Tehachapi Union School District Superintendent Richard Swanson told The Bakersfield Californian that Seth was a good student and liked by the faculty.
"He was different. He knew he was different," Seth's mother, Judy Walsh said according to TehachapiNews.com. "He was a very loving boy, very kind. He had a beautiful smile. He liked fashion, his friends, talking on the phone. He was artistic and very bright."
Judy Walsh hopes her son's death is a wake up call to the community to "develop more tolerance for different people."
ALSO ON CRIMESIDER
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
Anne, Poes Law was yesterday, quit with it now, this is what we mean, the embellishing. All of us get it.
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
All of us get it.
From the way you write, I seriously doubt you "get" much of anything. Which is probably why you're in constant search of some fucking guru to tell you how to lead your life.
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
All of us get it.
From the way you write, I seriously doubt you "get" much of anything. Which is probably why you're in constant search of some fucking guru to tell you how to lead your life.
Sad part boys, she really believes she is ahead. Winning. :rofl:
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
All of us get it.
From the way you write, I seriously doubt you "get" much of anything. Which is probably why you're in constant search of some fucking guru to tell you how to lead your life.
Sad part boys, she really believes she is ahead. Winning. :rofl:
Winning what? What the hell are you talking about?
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Be proud to be gay, my friend.
Ford, if that was aimed at me..Thanks for that. -DP- and if it wasn't ...thanks for saying that to someone else period. :)
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I'm telling ya....Poe's law. It's scary when you can't tell the satirical posts from the ones who truly feel this way.
All of us get it.
From the way you write, I seriously doubt you "get" much of anything. Which is probably why you're in constant search of some fucking guru to tell you how to lead your life.
Sad part boys, she really believes she is ahead. Winning. :rofl:
Winning what? What the hell are you talking about?
:rofl: (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf2/images/smiles/dunno.gif)
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Be proud to be gay, my friend.
Ford, if that was aimed at me..Thanks for that. -DP- and if it wasn't ...thanks for saying that to someone else period. :)
It wasn't, but you're welcome anyway!
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Some good news on the bullying front. After the assholes that tormented this poor girl.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/lo ... een-edward (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/toy-store-shopping-spree-for-kathleen-edward)
Toy Store Shopping Spree for Kathleen Edward
Updated: Tuesday, 12 Oct 2010, 2:00 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 12 Oct 2010, 10:25 AM EDT
Trenton, MI
myFOXDetoit.com Staff - The story of a family's attempts to taunt a little girl who is dying of Huntington's Disease , a rare degenerative brain disorder, has sparked a chain reaction around the world.
Jennifer Petkov created a photo of 7-year-old Kathleen Edward's face as part of a 'skull and crossbones' and then posted it on Facebook. She posted another doctored photo of Kathleen's mother, Laura Edward, wrapped in the arms of the grim reaper.
Jennifer's husband Scott Petkov parked a pick up truck with messages of death painted on the side of it and a coffin in the back, in front of Kathleen's house. (What. The. Fuck?????) :flame:
All this over a neighhorhood (sic) dispute between the Petkov's and Kathleen's grandmother, Becky Rose.
The couple has since apologized , removed the Facebook posts, dismantled the coffin and painted over the truck.
Since the story was aired on Fox 2 News and published on this web site, support for Kathleen and her family has come from all over the world.
Hans Masing of Tree Town Toys in Ann Arbor has raised more than $9,000 for a shopping spree for Kathleen. Some of the money donated coming as far away as Japan, Australia and Europe. Any money that Kathleen does not spend will go toward local childrens hospitals.
Play the video to see smiles from Kathleen and to get a complete update on this story from Fox 2's Amy Lange.
A rally for Kathleen Edward is planned for Saturday, Oct. 23 from 3 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. at Haas Park in Trenton. Information, click here .
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Original story here. You've got to see the video of this piece of shit "defending" her actions.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/th ... in-trenton (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/the_edge/dying-girl-taunted-by-neighbors-in-trenton)
Parents: Dying Girl, 7, Taunted by Neighbors in Trenton
Updated: Tuesday, 12 Oct 2010, 12:49 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 07 Oct 2010, 11:56 PM EDT
TRENTON, Mich. - Her family says 7-year-old Kathleen Edward is in the final stages of a degenerative brain disorder diagnosed as Huntington's Disease - the same disease which killed her mother, Laura, when she was only 24.
Neighbors Jennifer and Scott Petkov, who have been feuding with the family, admitted to posting grim depictions of Laura and Kathleen on Facebook. One photo depicts Laura in the arms of the grim reaper, while the other features Kathleen's face above a set of crossbones.
The couple also have a coffin hitched to a pick-up truck in front of the house, which they say is nothing more than a halloween decoration.
Click on the video player hear the Petkov's admit to posting the photos and watch the full orignal story from FOX 2's Ron Savage.
New 10/11: Turning Negative into Positive, Shopping Spree for Kathleen, click here .
New 10/8: Jennifer Petkov apologizes, click here .
Play the second video in the story for an update from Fox 2's Amy Lange to hear an apology made by Scott Petkov ( click here for Amy's full story )
Police responded to the public feud Thursday, but no arrests were made.
The big question: why would someone do this? Police tell Ron Savage they have been called to this street before, dealing with long-standing "family-feud" issues.
A member of Kathleen's family says the bad blood started about two-years ago after the two families had a falling out over a birthday party at the Rose house. At the party kids were using a "bounce-house" and playing games in the front yard. The source says that Jennifer Petkov texted someone in the Rose family, asking if her kids could come to the event. A response to the text did not come quickly enough and it angered Jennifer. According to the Rose family, she's been harassing them ever since.
A rally for Kathleen Edward has been planned for Saturday, Oct. 23 from 3 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. at Haas Park in Trenton. CLICK HERE FOR INFORMATION
The invitation reads: "She has been tormented by sadistic neighbors. Please come and join us in showing Kathleen there are good people that care."
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These people are fucking sick. Instead of trying to comfort you neighbors. at a time like this,or at the very least just keep your mouth shut, to go out and attack a dying little girl.Somebody pissed in that gene pool.
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These people are fucking sick. Instead of trying to comfort you neighbors. at a time like this,or at the very least just keep your mouth shut, to go out and attack a dying little girl.Somebody pissed in that gene pool.
Yup and it looks like the neighbors are still at it. Fucking bitch in that original video needs her ass kicked.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... _taun.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/10/grandmother_of_dying_girl_taun.html)
Grandmother of dying girl taunted by neighbor in Trenton: Only resolution is 'for one of us to move'
Published: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:31 AM Updated: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:41 AM
For months, Kathleen Edward was bullied by two adults in Trenton. Now, the 7-year-old is receiving support from thousands of adults all around the world.
"We can't express how grateful we are," Robert Edward said Tuesday on Fox 2, responding to more than $10,000 in donations that will help provide a "dream trip" and toy store shopping spree for his daughter, who is dying of Huntingon's Disease. "This is just amazing."
Kathleen's story went viral last week after neighbor Jennifer Petkov admitted in a Fox 2 interview she posted an image to Facebook depicting Kathleen's face set above crossbones and another of her mother, who died of the same degenerative brain disease, in the arms of the grim reaper.
Why?
"Because it burns their asses," Petkov said. "Because it burns Rebecca Rose's ass."
Petkov and her husband later apologized after they received death threats, had their house egged and started receiving unwanted pizza deliveries.
Rose, who is Kathleen's grandmother, joined Robert Edward on Fox 2 Monday to discuss the apology, the history of the neighborhood dispute and the public reaction. Check out the full video in the player above or read a few highlights below.
* On the background: "It all started about two or three years ago," Rose said. "We had a birthday party for my youngest daughter, who is handicapped, and (Petkov) wanted her kids to come over. She texted my other daughter to ask if they could come over. Well, my other daughter didn't text her back in time, and I went outside and she was on her porch ranting and raving that she didn't want her kids coming to play with these 'f-ing retards'anyway. And it's just totally escalated from there."
* On the apology: "It didn't even sound sincere," said Robert Edward. "...I honestly just believe they were scared and they just didn't want the attention anymore."
* On recent contact with Petkov: "The way she reached out is when she was going from her car screaming 'I don't give an f who's dying,'" said Rose. "...I don't want nothing to do with her. I haven't said anything to her. But I honestly believe the only way this is going to get resolved is for one of us to move."
Kathleen, who the family has tried to keep out of the media spotlight as much as possible, on Thursday will travel to Ann Arbor by limo, where Tree Town Toys owner Hans Masing will host a red-carpet shopping spree. From there, she'll head to C.S. Mott Children's Hospital where she will give thousands of donated toys to other sick children.
Separately, supporters are planning a rally for Kathleen on Oct. 23 at Hass Park in Trenton. Click here for more information.
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Much more indepth article at Daily Mail (why is that anyway?)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rds-7.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319276/Scott-Jennifer-Petkovs-cruel-taunts-dying-Kathleen-Edwards-7.html)
'I can't wait until you die': Outrage at American couple's breathtakingly cruel taunts at terminally ill seven-year-old girl
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By David Gardner
Last updated at 12:36 PM on 11th October 2010
* Youngster's face superimposed over crossbones
* 100,000 take to Facebook to blast 'Devil of Detroit St'
* Feud began two years ago over lack of invite to birthday party
An American husband and wife have been branded the most heartless couple in the U.S. after taunting the family of a seven-year-old girl who is dying from an incurable disease.
Scott and Jennifer Petkov's despicable behaviour has caused outrage across the country after they posted a photo of terminally ill schoolgirl Kathleen Edwards on Facebook above a set of crossed bones.
Little Kathleen is in the final stages of Huntington’s disease – the same wasting illness that her mother, Laura, died from last year at the age of 24.
In another incredibly cruel taunt, Mrs Petkov also put a picture of the girl’s dead mother in the arms of the Grim Reaper online.
After Laura Edwards died last year, the Petkovs also allegedly drove their truck – which bears the message ‘Death Machine’ and has a coffin attached to it – down the street and honked the horn.
The sick attacks are the culmination of a long-running and increasingly bitter feud between the Petkovs and a number of neighbours in Trenton, Michigan that have raged over the past couple of years.
Neighbours accused the couple of laughing and poking fun at Laura Edwards and her daughter because of their disease, a progressive neurological disorder that causes involuntary writhing movements.
A Facebook page was set up identifying Jennifer Petkov as the ‘Devil of Detroit Street’ and an online petition describing the couple as ‘disgusting human beings’ was aiming to collect 100,000 names.
The story has also gone viral - causing people from around the world, including Britain and Germany, to send messages of support to Kathleen's family.
The dying girl’s father Robert Edwards appealed to the Petkov family: ‘Just leave us alone; that’s all we want. Don’t make any more comments about our daughter.’
Mr Edwards, 26, said it has been tough enough caring for his family.
‘You have to understand how angry we are,’ he told the Detroit News.
‘The police told us they were shocked that we haven’t gone over there and beat the hell out of her.
'But there’s more important things to deal with, like our daughter. She’s hanging in there. We have hospice at our home every week, and that’s a lot to deal with on its own.’
Kathleen’s stepmother, Gabrielle Edward, said the feud started two years ago.
‘Kathleen’s grandmother had a birthday party, and Jennifer sent a message asking if her kids could come over to play,' she said.
But the grandmother, Rebecca Rose, did not respond to the text quickly enough, she said. 'That's where it all started.'
Asked why she escalated the ugly feud, Jennifer Petkov said it was for 'personal satisfaction' and 'because it burns Rebecca Rose's a** raw.'
Mrs Edwards, 19, said they have tried to shield Kathleen from the taunts.
‘She’s seen some of this stuff, but we’re doing our best to try and keep her away from it. When the truck would pull up, we’d immediately take her inside to play,’ she added.
She said Kathleen, a third-grader, is having a tough time with her illness.
‘She’s having seizures. It’s hard enough to deal with without all this other stuff. I’ll tell you what: I’m taking this a lot better than my husband is.’
Family friend Michelle Yerigian, 42, said: ‘I don’t understand how people could spew such hatred. They would pull up in the truck with the coffin attached, rev up the engine, and say to Kathleen, "I can’t wait until you die."
‘When I saw what she posted on Facebook, I almost threw up. I’m totally dumbfounded.’
Kathleen’s family have been contacted by dozens of people after a video report of the story went viral on the internet.
‘They have heard from people from the UK, Germany, Minnesota - it’s incredible,’ said Mrs Yerigian, who has organized a rally in support of Kathleen on October 23.
‘This isn’t about trying to get revenge. We’re telling people not to do anything stupid,’ she said.
Mrs Petkov, 33, tried to make amends by apologising yesterday. She said she would walk right across the street and tell the Edwards family herself if a restraining order hadn’t been issued against her by a local court.
Protected: Kathleen's father and step-mother are doing their best to shield the little girl from the taunts
Protected: Kathleen's father and step-mother are doing their best to shield the little girl from the taunts
‘What I did was ignorant and wrong,’ she admitted.
'I’m not proud of myself because this went from a neighbourhood dispute to a huge thing.'
Mrs Petkov’s husband, Scott, 30, told the Detroit News that his wife’s ‘brutal honesty’ has caused his family to ‘not get along with a lot of people.’
(Said "brutally honest" ::) bitch.....)
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He said the fallout of the Facebook posting resulted in his suspension with pay from his job as a forklift repairman in nearby Warren.
He said his employer is considering firing him.
The eldest of the Petkovs’ four children was also sent home from school after getting into an argument with a classmate who confronted him about the Internet photos, said the couple.
‘My husband is a good person and I hope he doesn’t lose his job. I hope our family doesn’t lose his job. I’m the bad person,’ said Mrs Petkov.
‘I feel horrible for what I’ve said and done. That little girl shouldn’t have had to lose her mum like that and she shouldn’t have to lose her life either. I just hope she didn’t see those pictures.’
Mrs Petkov’s Facebook posting has now been removed.
But there could still be serious repercussions for the couple.
Maria Miller, spokeswoman for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, said, ‘We have contacted the Trenton Police Department to look into the allegations.’
Trenton Deputy Police Chief James Nardone said the problems between the two families have been ongoing. ‘We’re aware of the situation and are looking into it,’ he said.
Edited to add......Someone's been busy already! :seg:
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I know, I know, enuff.....but this story really got to me.
Hans Masing of Tree Town Toys in Ann Arbor has raised more than $9,000 (I think it's well over that now) for a shopping spree for Kathleen. Some of the money donated coming as far away as Japan, Australia and Europe. Any money that Kathleen does not spend will go toward local childrens hospitals.
From some of the Fark comments. Good to hear.
Carth 2010-10-12 02:18:21 PM
And he is donating 10% of the total amount raised in cash to the family. That will cancel out almost anything he'd make.
LiveStalk 2010-10-12 02:10:12 PM
Pretty sure the dude with the toy store is making them pay cost for the toys, so he wont be making anything off of it. He also has gotten several other business to donate toys to the local hospital, a free limo ride for Kathleen to go deliver the toys, and a free lunch for ~25 people (Kathleen, her family, friends, and whatnot.)
hailin [recently expired TotalFark] 2010-10-12 01:57:54 PM
Actually the guy brought three $100+ toys from his store to the girl and her sister. He also arranged a limo to take them to the store, lunch at a nice fancy place after her shopping spree, and is cutting a check straight to the dad for 10% of whatever is raised ($1200 check so far). She gets to have an awesomely fun day and lots of sick kids get to have their day brightened too.
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If this has been simply because of her bullying, I'd have been upset and saying that the gov't, yet again, overstepped it's bounds (although it does make you question her parenting if she'd do what she did to that poor little girl). But it's not because of the bullying.....it's because she's a crazy bitch who tried to run over another neighbor with her car. I gotta admit....I'm glad to see this bitch getting shit.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... d_o_1.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/10/report_trenton_woman_accused_o_1.html)
Report: Trenton woman accused of taunting dying 7-year-old loses custody of children
Published: Friday, October 22, 2010, 9:07 AM Updated: Friday, October 22, 2010, 9:26 AM
It's been a rough month for Jennifer Petkov. The 33-year-old Trenton woman accused of bullying 7-year-old Kathleen Edward lost custody of two of her children this week, according to Fox 2.
The television station reports a Wayne County Probate Court judge has ruled Petkov's eight-year-old daughter and five-year-old son should live with their father until further notice.
The father, who had a relationship with Petkov prior to her current marriage, filed for an emergency hearing shortly after Petkov made national headlines by admitting on camera that she posted disturbing images on Facebook of Kathleen, who is in the final stages of Huntington's Disease, and her mother, who died of the degenerative brain condition.
The story went viral and Petkov soon found herself and her home the target of death threats, broken eggs and unwanted pizza deliveries. Last week, she allegedly tried to run over another neighbor, Tana Boling with her car. She was arraigned on felonious assault and reckless driving charges, but her attorney said video evidence contradicts Boling's story.
Meanwhile, the outpouring of local and international support continues for Kathleen. Thousands of people are expected to gather Saturday at Elizabeth Park in Trenton for a rally in her honor. Separately, boxing promoter Joe Donofrio will host the Edward family next weekend at the Palace of Auburn Hills.
Video at link above.
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http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/parent ... 6_ST_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/parenting-family/teen-ya/2010-10-26-bullyingONLINE26_ST_N.htm)
Bullying survey: Most teens have hit someone out of anger
Source: The Josephson Institute of Ethics, 2010
Bullying survey: Most teens have hit someone out of anger
Justin Aaberg, hanged himself in his room in July 2010. His friends told his mother he'd been a frequent target of bullies mocking his sexual orientation.
About 28% of high school students say it is sometimes OK to hit or threaten a person who makes them angry:
By Anne Godlasky, USA TODAY
Source: Josephson Institute of Ethics survey of 42,000 high school students from 78 public and 22 private schools
By Sharon Jayson, USA TODAY
Half of U.S. high schoolers say they have bullied or teased someone at least once in the past year, and nearly half say they have been bullied in that time, one of the largest studies ever on bullying finds.
The study, to be released today, surveyed 43,321 teens ages 15 to 18, from 78 public and 22 private schools. It finds 50% said they had "bullied, teased or taunted someone at least once," and 47% had been "bullied, teased or taunted in a way that seriously upset me at least once."
QUIZ: Is your child being bullied?
OR: Is your child the bully?
PARENTING, PART II: Is your teen depressed?
The survey findings are from the Ethics of American Youth Survey by the Josephson Institute of Ethics, a non-profit based in Los Angeles that has surveyed teens on conduct and behavior every two years since 1992. This is the first time it has reported on bullying.
The survey is the largest the group has done and is much larger than others on bullying, says president Michael Josephson.
It also found that in the past 12 months:
•52% of students have hit someone in anger.
•28% (37% of boys, 19% of girls) say it's OK to hit or threaten a person who angers them.
"There's a tremendous amount of anger out there," Josephson says.
The survey also looked at other behaviors:
•60% of students said they had "cheated on a test," and 34% did so twice or more. Students at non-religious private schools cited the lowest percentage (33%) while 56% at religious schools said they cheated.
•27% of students said they "stole something from a store."
GAY TEENS: Suicides prompt 'It Gets Better' movement
BULLYING: It can devastate lives until victims find ways to cope
SUICIDES: Ad campaign fights 3rd cause of death in 15- to 24-year-olds
For those who study bullying, the data are "absolutely surprising and appalling," says Darcia Narvaez, associate professor of psychology at the University of Notre Dame (Ind.), whose work focuses on young people's moral and character development.
Sally Kuykendall, assistant professor of health services at Saint Joseph's University in Philadelphia, has studied bullying for almost a decade. She says kids are getting the message that "if you have a problem, you deal with it through violence. When children are exposed to violence, they're going to think that's the way to handle problems."
Kuykendall says media violence and domestic violence play a role in such attitudes.
Narvaez also points to child-rearing practices. Her research has found that children today often don't get enough "positive touch" in the form of skin-to-skin contact, which she says promotes well-being, a moral sense and more empathy. She says parents are holding their kids less than in the past and instead rely more on strollers and carriers.
"Self-regulation is affected by all these things," she says.
The 2010 study was completed last month, based on responses compiled in the first half of this year. The margin of error is plus or minus 1 percentage point.
Because the questions are identical to those from 2008, Josephson says, none of the questions in 2008 or 2010 directly asked about cyberbullying. He says such questions will be part of the next survey.
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Source: The Josephson Institute of Ethics, 2010
Ah, the "Character Counts!" people... aka corporation-friendly propagandists for the "manufacturing of consent." You can find some info on them in the Hyde forum.
Btw, heretik, the publication date for that article was today. I wasn't able to find it in your copy-paste; perhaps I did not look hard enough...
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Source: The Josephson Institute of Ethics, 2010
Ah, the "Character Counts!" people... aka corporation-friendly propagandists for the "manufacturing of consent." You can find some info on them in the Hyde forum.
Btw, heretik, the publication date for that article was today. I wasn't able to find it in your copy-paste; perhaps I did not look hard enough...
I posted the link I got it from, The USA Today Paper for October 26, 2010.
Here is the link again from my post above^ http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/parent (http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/parent) ... 6_ST_N.htm.
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http://wsapi34.g.ent.ac4.yahoo.com/news ... hool_board (http://wsapi34.g.ent.ac4.yahoo.com/news/story/maple/en-US/ap/20101029/ap_on_re_us/us_anti_gay_school_board)
Ark. board member who posted anti-gay rant to quit
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – The head of an anti-bullying group has applauded the decision of an Arkansas school board member to resign after posting on Facebook that he thinks gay youths should kill themselves.
Clint McCance, a member of the Midland school board in Pleasant Plains, about 70 miles northeast of Little Rock, announced his resignation Thursday night on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360." He said he was quitting "to help my school, my community," though he added that he might run again for the board at some point.
"The only thing I can do is extend my apologies for my poor speech," he said. "I don't wish death on anyone."
McCance had scoffed in a Facebook posting at a campaign asking supporters to wear purple Oct. 20 to show solidarity after several gay and lesbian youths killed themselves, reportedly because of bullying.
"Seriously they want me to wear purple because five queers killed themselves," McCance wrote. "The only way im wearin it for them is if they all commit suicide. I cant believe the people of this world have gotten this stupid. We are honoring the fact that they sinned and killed thereselves because of their sin."
In a follow-up response to Facebook users who criticized his comments, McCance wrote that he liked that gay people "can't procreate (and) I also enjoy the fact that they often give each other AIDS and die."
Jowharah Sanders, founder and executive director of the anti-bullying group National Voices for Equality, Education, and Enlightenment, told The Associated Press that she was glad McCance was resigning because that means his sentiments will no longer represent authority in his community.
Several gay rights groups had condemned the Facebook posting, including the Human Rights Campaign, which launched its own Facebook page calling for McCance's resignation.
McCance did not respond to a phone message left Thursday by The Associated Press at his carpet cleaning business, and there was no answer at a number listed for his home.
In his interview on CNN, McCance said the language he had used on Facebook was "too harsh ... too emotional." He also said he and his family had received "thousands of phone calls and hate mail" and that he had sent his family out of the state to protect them.
Sanders noted the irony of that statement.
"His cyber-bullying has affected his family," Sanders said.
The Midland district disavowed McCance's sentiments in a statement Wednesday, and Superintendent Dean Stanley echoed that in a letter Thursday to 1998 Midland graduate R. Anthony Turner, who wrote the school board a letter calling attention to McCance's Facebook posting.
Stanley's letter to Turner said McCance "does not represent the board or speak for the board when he posts on his Facebook page."
"Every student life is equally valuable without regard to race, sex, or sexual orientation, religious belief or affiliation," Stanley wrote. "Everyone really is someone special and deserves to be treated with care and respect."