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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 06:15:00 AM

Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 06:15:00 AM
Jesus was probably like "7 fishes and 7 loaves my ass! Pony it up, bitches!"
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 09:00:00 AM
I like to think that  Jesus and Mary Magdelen were lovers.  They were members of an Egyptian mystery cult led by John the Baptist.  The cults' most holy sacrements involved sex rites.  The story of the crucifixtion is the re-enactment of the story of Isis bringing Osiris back to life, but it is told within a Jewish context. The black madonnas throughout europe, an' especially France are actually statues of Isis. Christ was teaching Egyptian spirituality to the Jews.  

An' to anyone who thinks I've just been duped by the Di Vinci code I' spent the last decade before the Di Vinci code came out studying early forms of Christianity.  Christianity was actually cool before the Romans made it their state religion in the 5th century.  Rome adapted it to their empirical ambitions and used it to enslave rather than liberate. Rome was an empire built on slavery.  As Romes political power waned it re-incarnated itself in the form of the Catholic church.  Peace.
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 09:02:00 AM
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/ (http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/)
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Looks like an interestin' link.  Right now I gotta make pancakes for the kids but I'll check it out later.  Thanx for postin' it
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
Any clear thinkin' adult who believes in two thousand year old fairy tales needs help.  :lol:
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Point taken, and yet even fairy tales have a point and a message.  The forms may change but the song remains the same.  

Joseph Campbell says: "a myth is a public dream...A dream is a private myth."
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
Pancakes!  :nworthy:
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
If all its about is the point and message, why do people squable about who mary got fucked by, this guy named jesus and all the other details which can't possibly be correct (ever played telephone at a party?). It's like when I want you to explain something to a kid, parents use fairy tales because they aren't mature enough to teach them in a reality based way, I get that. I don't fault kids for believing in religion, they believe in santa clause and the easter bunny. Im just curious how adults can swallow this stuff?
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
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On 2006-02-18 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Pancakes!  :nworthy: "


Yeah...an' bluberry buckwheat pancakes at that.  After playin' with her pancake for a while my daughters little friend commented to me that she didn't like it.(not used to the Buckwheat)  My daughter then responded: "Oh my dad makes food like this all the time, I'm used to it" !!! :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roll:
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 11:42:00 AM
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On 2006-02-18 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If all its about is the point and message, why do people squable about who mary got fucked by, this guy named jesus and all the other details which can't possibly be correct (ever played telephone at a party?). It's like when I want you to explain something to a kid, parents use fairy tales because they aren't mature enough to teach them in a reality based way, I get that. I don't fault kids for believing in religion, they believe in santa clause and the easter bunny. Im just curious how adults can swallow this stuff?"


Well, That's a good question an'I'm not sure what the answer is...

To me the story of Christ is just a mythology, just like any other;  It is a map of the human consciousness.  People take all this stuff way too literally.  All you really need to know is within you from the beginning.  When you understand the mythologies then you realize that that was the message all along.  You are the creator...there is no other authority.  

Maybe people get hung up on all this because they fail to understand who they really are and are actually afraid for whatever reasons to look into themselves and so they look to identify themselves with external authorities instead. This leads to further confusion and serves to create delusion instead of understanding.  People miss the point altogether.  You have to take the symbols out of their institutional contexts.  See the world with your own eyes.  When the symbols are removed from their institutional contexts a whole new understandin' presents itself.  This is just my take.

It's incredibly difficult to even approach this in mere words.

I've gotta run...I'll check back here later.
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
i am a direct decendant of the early christians!
after the roman empire declared themselve christian and becaume roman catholic,my ppl were name eastern orthodox!before that it was simply known as the church....this is why i'm hot on Miller Newton's heels right now....after the begining of the end of the "kids" programs,he converted his religion and reverandship to orthodox!hence "father cassian newton".....i have sent numerous letters to pokrov.com! i got many responding letters! including one from the priest that was backing miller....{i refuse to call him "father"}...because of my middle eastern background and my religious background,he took me very seriously....millers days as a priest are on thier way out the door!i won't stop till i know he is gone....when i get the chance,i'll post my letter and responces on here for you guys to read!
just thought you guys would be interested ....hip
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 11:52:00 AM
Hmm Buckwheat? Guess I'll have to give that a try. So you sent the lil' girl away hungry?  :wink:

Oh yea, I think Jesus was probably a wise man tragically exploited.
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
just to add to that,there were many ppl that wrote pokrov.they took my letter very seriously
because of,not only my heredity background,but more because of my history with the man!after they read my letters and checked my religious and ethnic back ground,they had NO CHOICE but to take everyone elses letters more seriously....they told me after my letter,the fact that i'm orthodox
by religion and the history of abuse that i had under miller,they had to take everyone elses letters way more serious!i guess he had everyone thinking we were a bunch of fanatical "anti-newton" protesters......hip
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hmm Buckwheat? Guess I'll have to give that a try. So you sent the lil' girl away hungry?  :wink:


"


No she had already eaten breakfast at her own house.
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 02:33:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 08:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-18 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


"If all its about is the point and message, why do people squable about who mary got fucked by, this guy named jesus and all the other details which can't possibly be correct (ever played telephone at a party?). It's like when I want you to explain something to a kid, parents use fairy tales because they aren't mature enough to teach them in a reality based way, I get that. I don't fault kids for believing in religion, they believe in santa clause and the easter bunny. Im just curious how adults can swallow this stuff?"


O.K. I'm back now...I wanted to edit my previous post because I had to write it in a hurry and I wanted to clarify myself, but for some unknown reason I couldn't get into my own post! WTF! So I've re-worked a little bit right here:



Well, That's a good question an' I'm not sure what the answer is...but anyway...



To me the story of Christ is just a mythology, just like any other;  It is a map of the human consciousness.  People take all this stuff way too literally.  All you really need to know is within you from the beginning.  When you understand the mythologies then you realize that that was the message all along.  You are the creator...there is no other authority.  



Maybe people get hung up on all this because they fail to understand who they really are and are actually afraid for whatever reasons to look into themselves and so they look to identify themselves with external authorities instead. People identify themselves with the form or the "details" instead of the substance.  One man is burned at the stake for espousing in one age what another man is exulted for in another. The "details" are only the language of the time and just like in the "telephone" game the original message is lost.  In other words: the form may change but the song remains the same.  This kind of misinterpretaion leads to further confusion and serves to create delusion instead of understanding.  People "squable" over the details which they attach themselves to and define themselves by.  People miss the point altogether.  

Institutions are created by insecurity. Institutions seek not to liberate but to control.  You have to take the symbols out of their institutional contexts.  See the world with your own eyes.  When the symbols are removed from their institutional contexts a whole new understandin' presents itself.  Break free of the institutions, the dogma and the conventions of the past.  Love yourself.  Love your brothers an' sisters.  Fuck the religious institutions but praise Jah!!  The mighty God is a livin' man!



It's incredibly difficult to even approach this in mere words, hence all the symbols in the first place.


"
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 03:24:00 PM
:razz: ..
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Antigen on February 18, 2006, 05:04:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If all its about is the point and message, why do people squable about who mary got fucked by, this guy named jesus and all the other details which can't possibly be correct (ever played telephone at a party?).

Because they miss the point.

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It's like when I want you to explain something to a kid, parents use fairy tales because they aren't mature enough to teach them in a reality based way, I get that. I don't fault kids for believing in religion, they believe in santa clause and the easter bunny. Im just curious how adults can swallow this stuff?"


I loved telling my little ones fairy tales! I never, ever lied to them, though; not really. It was more like impromptu theatre with voluntarily suspended disbelief. And it was all precious to all players. One time, my daughter, who couldn't have been more than 5 at the time, picked up a dried stem from underneath the palmetto colony and asked me what it was. Not that she didn't know, she certainly did. But little kids love stories and gentle interrogation. And she was, and remains so far anyway, that "person small who keeps ten million serving men who get no rest at all!"

So I told her it was a walking cane which must have been dropped in haste by a gnome as he fled a cat or the trash men or maybe her own dear mother (I) who was fond of walking that area of the yard and gazing into the night sometimes. We discussed the matter of gnomes for a bit and how impressively well they craft their personal tools and effects to blend perfectly w/ their natural environment and how they go about keeping vigil on all the good people and creatures and their favorite plants. She thought the gnome might miss his cane and she wanted very much to catch a glimpse of this being. So we wrote a note asking for a meeting and left it with his cane out on the picnic table near where we had found it.

Next day, the cane was still there, but there was a note on the back of the note we had left. It said something to the effect that the owner of that finely crafted accessory had been very moved by her sweet note and pure intention, that he would like very much to sit on her shoulder and have a good long conversation, but that the council strictly forbade any intentional contact between the little folk and regular humans. And he told her to keep the cane as a keepsake and know that she'd always have a friend.

This went on for a number of months with the occasional note going back and forth.

Clever girl that she is, naturally she tried her hand at the same sort of theatre herself. One day, she's sitting on the hand rail at the post office, bored, waiting in line with me. All of a sudden, she looks me dead in the eye (the left one) and asks me "Mommy, is it true that I'm not really your baby, that you stole me from my real parents?" THAT raised some eyebrows, and made me smile. "Yes!" I said, "And you have no idea how long and hard your daddy and I looked to find a kid who looked so much like both of us."

We still hear from Grafnal once in awhile.

Understand that legal and illegal are political, and often arbitrary,
categorizations; use and abuse are medical, or clinical, distinctions.

--Abbie Hoffman

Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 14:04:00, Eudora wrote:

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On 2006-02-18 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


"If all its about is the point and message, why do people squable about who mary got fucked by, this guy named jesus and all the other details which can't possibly be correct (ever played telephone at a party?).




Because they miss the point.



Quote

It's like when I want you to explain something to a kid, parents use fairy tales because they aren't mature enough to teach them in a reality based way, I get that. I don't fault kids for believing in religion, they believe in santa clause and the easter bunny. Im just curious how adults can swallow this stuff?"




I loved telling my little ones fairy tales! I never, ever lied to them, though; not really. It was more like impromptu theatre with voluntarily suspended disbelief. And it was all precious to all players. One time, my daughter, who couldn't have been more than 5 at the time, picked up a dried stem from underneath the palmetto colony and asked me what it was. Not that she didn't know, she certainly did. But little kids love stories and gentle interrogation. And she was, and remains so far anyway, that "person small who keeps ten million serving men who get no rest at all!"



So I told her it was a walking cane which must have been dropped in haste by a gnome as he fled a cat or the trash men or maybe her own dear mother (I) who was fond of walking that area of the yard and gazing into the night sometimes. We discussed the matter of gnomes for a bit and how impressively well they craft their personal tools and effects to blend perfectly w/ their natural environment and how they go about keeping vigil on all the good people and creatures and their favorite plants. She thought the gnome might miss his cane and she wanted very much to catch a glimpse of this being. So we wrote a note asking for a meeting and left it with his cane out on the picnic table near where we had found it.



Next day, the cane was still there, but there was a note on the back of the note we had left. It said something to the effect that the owner of that finely crafted accessory had been very moved by her sweet note and pure intention, that he would like very much to sit on her shoulder and have a good long conversation, but that the council strictly forbade any intentional contact between the little folk and regular humans. And he told her to keep the cane as a keepsake and know that she'd always have a friend.



This went on for a number of months with the occasional note going back and forth.



Clever girl that she is, naturally she tried her hand at the same sort of theatre herself. One day, she's sitting on the hand rail at the post office, bored, waiting in line with me. All of a sudden, she looks me dead in the eye (the left one) and asks me "Mommy, is it true that I'm not really your baby, that you stole me from my real parents?" THAT raised some eyebrows, and made me smile. "Yes!" I said, "And you have no idea how long and hard your daddy and I looked to find a kid who looked so much like both of us."



We still hear from Grafnal once in awhile.

Understand that legal and illegal are political, and often arbitrary,
categorizations; use and abuse are medical, or clinical, distinctions.

--Abbie Hoffman


"


That made me smile.  :smile:
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Antigen on February 18, 2006, 05:24:00 PM
Good ta hear! Me too.

Pirate,
Quote
Ambrose Bierce
Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.


Like dat?

If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on February 18, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
Jesus was justa nice Jewish boy...well, aside from his running away from home at 12, and can you imagine Mary (mom), a Jewish Mother...Oy, I bet she was pissed...not that she wasn't accustomed to controversy

But chances are he traveled thru the Himilayas. Recently saw a special on some educational channel and the guy traced back to a "teacher" who was/is held  in high esteem by certain sects of the tibetian people....Makes sense, I also recall several images, on the budhist (sp) side, several depictions of a diety opening or maybe pointing to the center of the chest and it is the heart engulfed in flames. I also recall images of Jesus doing the same thing...pointing to a heart engulfed in flames. Just thought it was an interesting similarity.

Also, I recently saw a bumper sticker that said,

MY GOD CAN KICK YOUR GODS ASS

I thought it was a classic!

To the anon who said ,

"Any clear thinkin' adult who believes in two thousand year old fairy tales needs help"

What of the ones who believe/practice older or for that matter, younger religions/fairly tales? Generally people respond with answers like, 'people have a need to believe' or something to that effect. Take it further, why do people have a need to "believe". Sociology 101, since recorded time man has had a need to believe in something, a god, a diety or Ugh...a high power. Why is that the case? Are we not secure enough on our own inner landsacape that we have a need to place our hope/faith into something that is suppossed to exist outside of us? Saying that folks need help, well yeah, I tend to agree to an extint...perhaps just with out the negitive connotation. Using the word explore or investigation would be a better word yet. Certainly we think enuff of ourselves to agree that we are worthy of investigation. Seems to me a life un-ivestigated would be a dreary life.

::soapbox::

puff puff pass
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on February 18, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 14:24:00, Eudora wrote:

"Good ta hear! Me too.



Pirate,

Quote
Ambrose Bierce

Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.




Like dat?

If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist


"


I dunno...maybe...I like the Twain quote.

That was a nice story you tol' about you an' your daughter.  My daughter an' I have shared some similiar experiences...The imagination of a child...so precious.
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
I always liked Ghandi's quote.

"Take your Christianity...give me your Christ"
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 11:58:00 PM
I always liked Ginger's quote, "Christ on a crutch."
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on March 03, 2006, 02:51:00 AM
The point is that it doesn't even really matter what the facts are; whether Jesus was in India studying the transcendental nature of the cosmos or in Egypt practicing enlightenment through ritualistic sex or even if he travelled to one of Jupiters' many moons and spent time there learning from the Ganymedian masters.  The historical facts are irrelevent.  It's the symbols and metaphors that carry meaning.  They are the language of spiritual consciousness, as mathematics is the language of physics.  Just as there are many ways to express the #9, there are also many ways to express spiritual wisdom.  To argue about whether or not Jesus was in Egypt or India or orbiting Jupiter on Ganymede is similar to arguin' over whether 3x3=9 or 27 divided by 3=9 or 5+4=9, etc. They all =9. Another religion or cultural group might express the same principle in another form altogether: (III)III=IX.

Of course this is a simplification but I hope I've made my point...or at least done something... ::dove::

.
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2006, 01:01:00 PM
Sounds like you may have checked out the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ..the link I posted in reply to one of your posts recently..did you?

Frank or whoever I am..
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on March 03, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
Yeah, I started to check it out but didn't get too far yet.  There is an awful lot there.  I didn't even get to anything about Jesus yet.  I only got as far as the explanation of the ages of the Zodiac.  Real cool though.  I'm diggin' it!
Title: "Jesus the Magic Man", Paranoid Myth of the Centuries
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 14:04:00, Eudora wrote:

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On 2006-02-18 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


"If all its about is the point and message, why do people squable about who mary got fucked by, this guy named jesus and all the other details which can't possibly be correct (ever played telephone at a party?).




Because they miss the point.



Quote

It's like when I want you to explain something to a kid, parents use fairy tales because they aren't mature enough to teach them in a reality based way, I get that. I don't fault kids for believing in religion, they believe in santa clause and the easter bunny. Im just curious how adults can swallow this stuff?"




I loved telling my little ones fairy tales! I never, ever lied to them, though; not really. It was more like impromptu theatre with voluntarily suspended disbelief. And it was all precious to all players. One time, my daughter, who couldn't have been more than 5 at the time, picked up a dried stem from underneath the palmetto colony and asked me what it was. Not that she didn't know, she certainly did. But little kids love stories and gentle interrogation. And she was, and remains so far anyway, that "person small who keeps ten million serving men who get no rest at all!"



So I told her it was a walking cane which must have been dropped in haste by a gnome as he fled a cat or the trash men or maybe her own dear mother (I) who was fond of walking that area of the yard and gazing into the night sometimes. We discussed the matter of gnomes for a bit and how impressively well they craft their personal tools and effects to blend perfectly w/ their natural environment and how they go about keeping vigil on all the good people and creatures and their favorite plants. She thought the gnome might miss his cane and she wanted very much to catch a glimpse of this being. So we wrote a note asking for a meeting and left it with his cane out on the picnic table near where we had found it.



Next day, the cane was still there, but there was a note on the back of the note we had left. It said something to the effect that the owner of that finely crafted accessory had been very moved by her sweet note and pure intention, that he would like very much to sit on her shoulder and have a good long conversation, but that the council strictly forbade any intentional contact between the little folk and regular humans. And he told her to keep the cane as a keepsake and know that she'd always have a friend.



This went on for a number of months with the occasional note going back and forth.



Clever girl that she is, naturally she tried her hand at the same sort of theatre herself. One day, she's sitting on the hand rail at the post office, bored, waiting in line with me. All of a sudden, she looks me dead in the eye (the left one) and asks me "Mommy, is it true that I'm not really your baby, that you stole me from my real parents?" THAT raised some eyebrows, and made me smile. "Yes!" I said, "And you have no idea how long and hard your daddy and I looked to find a kid who looked so much like both of us."



We still hear from Grafnal once in awhile.

Understand that legal and illegal are political, and often arbitrary,
categorizations; use and abuse are medical, or clinical, distinctions.

--Abbie Hoffman


"


 :nworthy: