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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: blownawaytheidahoway on September 05, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
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http://www.monarchschool.com/faculty.html (http://www.monarchschool.com/faculty.html)
http://www.carlbrook.org/faculty/index.htm (http://www.carlbrook.org/faculty/index.htm)
http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/ (http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/)
Jeez, maybe I (bold and italicize the I to highlight the sarcasm) should open MY own school.
Can you say "quacks"?[ This Message was edited by: blownawaytheidahoway on 2005-06-10 10:05 ]
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Wow, that is some fucked up bullshit.
JONATHAN GURNEY
Does anybody remember this guy? He was the clinical director of ASCENT!!! What's his deal!?!?
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Doug Kim Brown is at Echo Springs in Idaho. Over 18 program so I guess he feels safer.
Patrick Stambusky was the founder guy at Monarch.
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, B.A., M.S.W., A.C.S.W.
Dean of Advising
Mr. Gurney, who received his Bachelor of Arts and Master of Social Work degrees from Indiana University ...blahblah... extensive history in working with challenging adolescents, having experience as an Outpatient Family Therapist before serving as the Program Director of a dual inpatient/outpatient adolescent treatment program during his tenure at the Charter Behavioral Health organization. Most recently, Mr. Gurney served as Clinical Director of Ascent, a licensed therapeutic wilderness program for adolescents, where he was responsible for oversight of all clinical services as well as direction and monitoring of all treatment plans.
Tim Brace,
Dean of Students and Chairman of the Board
A graduate of the United States Naval Academy, Mr. Brace has worked with students and their families for over 25 years. He founded and served as Executive Director at the Academy at Swift River, served as Headmaster at Mt. Bachelor Academy, Headmaster at Cedu School, and Headmaster at Rocky Mountain Academy. Mr. Brace, who also holds a Master of Counseling from Arizona State University, has not only vested considerable experience in the field, but he has also been instrumental in shaping the industry as a whole. His vision and innovation have spawned a generation of educational programs that have impacted families across the country. His wealth of knowledge in working with young people is virtually unmatched.
and blahblahblahblah
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What I find surprising is that everyone gets a hit of the power pipe as long as they stay around long enough. Every year at RMA it seemed like a relay race as to who was family head or headmaster. And they had different schools to shift people around in for one of ANY number of reasons. Some people we thought were fired are opening their own schools. All these people can say they had escalating experiential responsabilities and job titles. So the person who was the fish farmer or new staff one year could be running workshops, raps, profeets, summits or whatever two years later. It does strike me as a racket.
can I get an amen?
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On the Monarch school page, I see Dave Rookey and Jane Habermann listed. Those two I remember from B.C.A. But get this, Jane Habermann (formerly a team leader) is listed as a psychologist!
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I know Steve. He grew up on the streets of Spokane. For those of you that that is lost on, sorry, if there is anyone who remembers that...I know you. :wink:
As for the psychologist, maybe she is.
Ever heard of Dr. Mengele?
Just 'cause she got one a dem degrees don't make her siddhartha.
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When I was at RMA, Jane was a low level flunky, whose supposedly deep-entrenched hippiedom would seem to belie her management position.
Also, Bruce Wilson is a dildo. :tup:
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Mudbone357 please tell us what year. I don't think I know JH.
And Thank you. Bruce Wilson IS worse than a dildo.
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it is and was a racket. wasserman told staff it was. they ripped off everybody by using the excuse that the other cult followers i mean students were there friends. wasserman lied to everybody especially the stars he conned to build his scam. whenever the state would bust him he wuld try to blame the victim and then say he was a victim. the latest scam was cascade which shut down after kids were commiting suicide and there was a revolt and allgood ran out the door with the money and some new girlfriend. the liar called melzer who molested so many was last in tustin with the money stolen from parents and kids and whoever else they would threaten with harm if they did not get what they wanted.
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Does anybody remember a low life motherfucker named CHRIS, he worked at Ascent in 96-97, and was from Boston. Hey Chris... if I ever see you again,,,your fuckin DEAD
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Dont let me forget Clark from Ascent 95-97. He was the ugly hillbilly cocksucker with the hairlip that liked to restrain helpless little kids for no reason. Clark also loved to rap kids up in burridos at Ascent and torture clausterphobic defenceless teenagers. little does clark know, That shits gonna come back and bite em in the ass someday.
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Hey sorry I didn't see that post until today. I was there from 94-96. Jane Haberman was on Tony's team, as was I. She was nice in a totally airheaded fucking hippy way. I thought that's why she left, because it was too fucked up for her. But, I guess not.
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Mudbone,
Sorry I don't have a username. I was just browsing and now I'm wondering who you are. I was on Tony's team from 93-96. My hotmail account is ibblondie1978. Feel free to write or message me if you'd like.
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Bruce Wilson is hardly a dildo. The dude is pure class. What in the hell happened up there after 1988? Medication? Huh?
Herman Allmaras
(I sign my name to what I write.)
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Bruce Wilson is a good guy, he was the only staff I could talk with. He is running his own school in N.H.
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You know, this is amazing. I see the same faces and family names in all these schools. They seem to stay in the system forever, trading schools and positions on an annual basis. I would think the market was saturated with these places, but they've really exploded since 93, haven't they? Enjoy-Polarbear
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Allmaras, any relation to Tony Allmaras
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Yes, ironically enough he's my second cousin. He wasn't at RMA during my stay but arrived shortly after I graduated.
-Herman
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Jesus Patrick is a headmaster???
That is a scary thought.
I know Doug.
Man...it never ends does it?
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The onll decent guy to ever work at R.M.A was Tom Dunn, Maybe That guy Ben At B.C.A. Who worked at Ascent. The rest of them are fucking losers. Sheila claremont beats her kids. Tim Earle, wow, he was a fucking winner. Go home and smoke pot and lock your kids in the closet, then preach love, thats a homicidal maniac waitng to happen. Tim miles, go fuck animals, since those are the only things you feel comfortable around. Tony Allmaras was a real fag, we all know where you got that lisp and those knee injuries, wasnt from football, more like mouth balls. Dave hampton was just a fucking caveman, he even walked like it. Patsy thompson, is probably bagging groceries again at safeway, Her husband Fred was a decent guy, but the truth be told, he was probably gay, any body who satys with a Beast like that is probably taking it on the side, or elswhere...John AAron, halitosis, or did he eat small children and animals. Nichole rowell, Wow, nice front, we all know you went to school here, so what gives you the right to take a couple kids that you like and let them fuck and drink at your house while they watch your degenerate inbred children, while you make everyone elses life hell??? Blah, Im done, fuck you guys. Inever pretended to like you and i still dont, and i graduated. Go fuck yourselves, and if it seems harsh, you should hear all the shit that they said to me in raps. EAT A DICK!!
Bret Blumenthal 98-2000
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Unbelievable!!!! Monarch School in Heron Montana needs to know that Jane Habermann and Steve Rookey are BAD EGGS. They should not be around children! Brian Yarborough is a loser, but he is basically harmless. I'm surprised Tim Earle has any brain cells left.
Did you notice in their bios, at Monarch School, that they do not mention CEDU at all. That speaks a thousand words as far as I'm concerned. CEDU is finished!
Bruce Wilson is an alright guy, but he is one lazy ass worker.
Sheila, Nicole, John, and almost every Team Leader who ever worked at Rocky Mountain Academy, Northwest Academy, or Boulder Creed Academy, for more that 2-3 years have serious emotional problems. These problems were present when they were hired and exasserbated by the program. It's true that their families all paid the highest price. At least students had some protection from the out-of-control anger and abusiveness.
It is very important that Monarch School be watched for a repeat of CEDU programs. Does anyone know if Montanta's Child Protective Services is any more competent than Idaho's Child Protective Service?
Good watchdogging!
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Ben (ex-Ascent staff, soon became BCA staff) is a good guy, although a bit too stuck in the clouds for most people's taste.
Wendy Frank (BCA - left in late 2002) was the Mtn. Lion Team Leader and an absolutely amazing person. She has the kindest heart of almost anyone I have ever met. I lost touch with her when she moved to Oregon with Gregg Andrick, but would love it if someone knows how to get in touch with her.
If anyone else has heard anything about Bridget Lightbody (Ascent course staff), Mason Jones (BCA team staff) or Ariel Gunn, that would be much appreciated.
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Ben and Wendy are good people, and that is why they didn't stick around. There is a direct correlation. For example, LA has been at BCA longer that anyone.
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I believe Mason Jones and Ariel Gunn are still at BCA. Both were Team Leaders last time I checked.
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haha mason the ragin' cajun is a team leader? that guy was the man...i really hope he didn't get turned..
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Here's a few EX-CEDU staff that followed Bruce Wilson to New Hampshire.
Has anybody dealt with them or heard anything about them, good or bad??
Coyote Karrick-was at RMA & BCA. Now an assistant program director.
Chris Locke-was at Swift River Academy.
Roger Topp-Ascent Wilderness, part of CEDU's program.
Adele Logan-was at RMA & Swift River.
Lisa Williams-was at Swift River.
Mike Strader-graduated from RMA and is now a counselor.
Doug Kim Brown-Just an advisor??
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My daughter's friend, after trudging across the Utah desert for months with the fun guys at Aspen Achievement Academy, is now at Monarch Scool in Heron, Montana. We have tried to contact him to simply find out if he is all right and for our efforts were threatened with a restraining order.
Wouldn't it be nice if that school would have this boy call us and say, "Hey, I'm all right. This place is okay." You would think we were asking them to reveal atomic secrets or something.
I am perfectly willing to stop investigating this boy's whereabouts if I knew he was okay but find it very suspicious that they are not willing to reveal anything.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT MONARCH SCHOOL! Should I worry about this boy or not? Thank you.
Jane Stillwater -- [email protected]
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I think the staff at Monarch only respond to people that are paying the bills. Even though I raised my grand daughter and would be instumental in her therapy, I've not been asked to participate. Her mother and step father sent her there and do not talk to my wike or me. We get letters from our grand daughter that are pretty vague about what is going on there and that is all we know about the place.
Eric :sad:
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Yeah, you should worry. But even if they let the kid talk, his call would be monitored and the kid would say everything was OK regardless of the truth. Why? Because if he said differently, he would be badgered to death, and his parents would be told he was lying to manipulate them. There is a reason the kids are monitored and isolated, and frankly, they are not always good.
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You and mudbone357 must have been there when i was there. 94-97 i was on sheila's team
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To the grandparent Eric who's worried about his grand-daughter being in Monarch.
My child went to a different school out West but one that is very similar to Monarch---also at that time Tim Earle who helps run Monarch now (at least as of last year) was at the school we chose. I can't say enough good things about Tim---if he's involved in your grand-daughter's case you've got something very good going for you right there.
And personally I got to know Tim really well---I just don't believe that he would be working at a school that wasn't good for kids (another thing you won't hear much of here---but I stand by it years later when my kid is an adult and doing great).
Families are difficult no question and it's really unfortunate that you've virtually raised this kid and now have limited access---but if they're allowing written coorrespondence with her it sounds like somebody must think that the bond with you is an important one.
Also, if Monarch is anything like the CEDU school that our kid attended (and I'm told that it is---)don't buy what you're hearing at this site about her not being able to write what she feels in her letters to you. Our kid spent months writing us really hateful even cruel things until he got the anger out of his system---and he was never punished for doing so---the parent counselor we talked to explained that this was just part of the deal until he saw a better way
Maybe you could mend whatever fences separate you and your grand-child's parents and try to be a part of the whole thing---that's what we had to do with my ex-husband and his new wife in order to show solidarity for our child. It takes some swallowing of pride I know and forgiveness and the chance that those you approach will just throw your words back at you---but this is a kid you love, right, what good is pride compared to that?? Maybe you could ask to talk weekly on the phone with a parent counselor or whatever structure they have out there, you know, find some way to part of the whole thing in a positive way. At CEDU I saw birth parents and adoptive parents work together for the child's sake after years of fighting, it can happen
It's a terrible situation to send a kid away---a last resort for us---but for God's sake don't let the situation become a tug-of-war between you and your grand-child's parents, because she'll be the one who pays in the end. Why not make something good come out of this even if it wouldn't have been the road you chose if you were in a position to do the choosing?
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Look lady, don't discount our experiences just because you feel yours was different. I know for a fact that our letters were censored and also monitored for content just as our phone calls were. I WAS THERE! Initial hateful letters may have been permitted because they just used it as a tool to say we were manipulating our folks and needed help. I know exactly what ahppened when you wrote soemthing the staff didn't appreciate, and I know for a fact, we were often told to re-write a letter according to CEDU specifications. I had to do this even when I didn't write something acerbic. The thing CEDU liked most is when you wrote a letter cutting off your parent from contact. This way, you were COMPLETELY isolated. When Cedu, months later, forced a reconciliation, they looked like the hero.
However unpleasant, I know for a fact that much of what people like Idaho, Serb, Bryan, former therapists, and others say is truthful. What they said about staff members is unfortunately, truthful.
And believe me, Tim isn't exactly on a lot of people's Nice Guy list. But snakes have a way of seducing people.
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Oh, right, I can't "discount" your experience but you get to discount ours---I mean that's really fair isn't it?
Just for the record I'm not calling you a liar---if you say that this is what happened when you were in school, then I'm not going to say that it wasn't---I wasn't there.
But do us the same courtesy: we never, ever saw anything of the kind you're describing---this is what my child tells me now---and what I hear from others who attended at the same time.
On Tim Earle, we will have to agree to disagree also: bottom line: I trust my own judgement of his integrety and kindness. I also know of severl alumni who keep in contact with him to this day so your evaluation of him is not the only one that is out there
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Ottawa,
You wrote: don't buy what you're hearing at this site about her not being able to write what she feels in her letters to you.
That is discounting what many people know is not true, pretty much across the industry. Even staff know this.
And no, I don't believe that these schools are a last resort. I saw too many kids who were sent there by parents who would rather shell out the bucks than work through their own problems.
In addition, these schools are NOT qualified to help many specific problems because they don't treat the individual. It's just a hit or miss tactic for the masses.
To the grandparents: I don't know what to tell you but you sound like you love your grand child a lot and have been an important part of her life. The letters will be vague. They have to be. Especially if she is undergoing Humiliation Therapy. At some point, they may get more positive once she drinks the Kool Aid. It's survival. My advice is to just be loving and keep in touch, and let her know you love her and don't be one of the people who forces her to view her experience according to one paradigm. I know many parents who will not accept what happened at CEDU, and their kid just paints the picture their parents want to see. I did that for over a decade.
My Mom and I finally discussed what happened at CEDU this month, and although she knew I was completely truthful, she resented knowing the extent of CEDU's incompetence and abusive therapy tactics.
She was also upset by the sham academics (I don't know if this changed) and unqualified personnel.
At the time, my letters to home only touched on what I enjoyed, the wilderness trips and outdoor labor.
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I remember having quite a few letters handed back to me and being told to re-write them. Both at Ascent and at BCA. Are you saying it was just because I spelled a few words wrong?
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But it isn't the same experience for the parents. My mom could hang up the phone if she didn't want to talk any longer without the threat of a restriction. She could write about whatever it is she wants to write about and I could read it. However, in CEDU; the staff do read and re-read for that matter ALL of the letters sent out unless you get your "seal-it" priviledge. No one is discounting you as a parent or your child and what they say, but you do have a different experience than the students who are sent there. The staff are always afraid that when you write your letters and get down about the way of life there or how you TRULY feel about being sent away (i.e. "manipulation tactics" is how the staff looked at it) then there was a chance that students' parents will pull him/her and they discourage that. I remember one time I wrote to my mom that I was put on a restriction within my first week, house down bans including staff members with ONE exception (for the parent: that means you get to talk to ONE person in the entire campus), all because I called some girl a "bitch". The staff member came and sat with me at my restriction and told me face-to-face that if they send that letter, my mom will pull me because she can't even afford to keep there for a long amount of time (which she found the money to support three years of this school thanks to loans)and if she pulls me then "I will lose valuable tools". Please tell me what a 14 year old could possiblly lose after she just got sent away from her family and now she can't even think about looking at someone that she is on bans from because that would result in a tighter restriction. I was there for ONE week before this happened. How was I supposed to feel like I belonged? How was I supposed to feel cared about? I couldn't even write my mom anymore after that until I got off the restriction (which lasted 2 months). 2 months is a long time to go without talking to the only parent in your life when you are 14 years old. Again, as I have said many a times, I graciously thank my mother for saving my life, but at least Juvey (had I not been kicked out) would let me write my own mother and in the way that I wanted to. Simple things for adults are HUGE for children (anyone under the age of 18)
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Well as the past few posts show, there are many different takes on the whole therapeutic boarding school experience---from those who are enthusiastic to those who see some value to those who see no value at all---you can find more positive and also some negative takes at the cedu alumni site in case you want another perspective
But here is the main thing to keep in mind from what I see here: it sounds like you're in a situation where it's not your call whether your grand-daughter remains in that school or not.
So whether you think it's the best solution or not---it happens to be the situation in which you find yourselves.
The question becomes: what are you going to do to make something good come out of it? Chances are you're not going to get a state licensed school shut done because some posters at this site didn't like their school experience at other schools. So doesn't it make sense to work with the situation in which you find yourself, make peace with the child's parent (your own child) if at all possible and make something good come out of all this
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It is very true that the person who gets all the updates, etc. is the one who is paying the bills. My paternal father tried calling the school after I was sent away and was shut out. Although he was calling for reasons that he shouldn't have been calling about, this was my birth father. The staff do take who the students talks/writes too very seriously. Actually, being a student there myself; I remember having to write a "representation" to be able to write some relatives that were not immediate to my family. The school called and researched what they felt was their entire life (they like their privacy) and the school didn't do a good job at indentifying who they were. In Jane's case, if the student has been there long enough (and if there are rules that support this there) then he should be able to write your daughter IF and ONLY IF she is a positive influence on his life based on what she is doing with her life. For Eric, I don't know if that school does parent seminars, but if you pay for one you are more than welcome to go and you get a good chance at visiting your grand daughter afterwards. That is if her parents don't say no. Hope this helps. Keep your hopes alive, whatever the conclusion is for either of you is what it was meant to be.
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Ottawa, I can tell its you by your tone. You still deny teh many abuses that occurred at CEDU, simply by writing it off as "not your experience."
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On 2005-08-16 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, right, I can't "discount" your experience but you get to discount ours---I mean that's really fair isn't it?"
"Just for the record I'm not calling you a liar---if you say that this is what happened when you were in school, then I'm not going to say that it wasn't---I wasn't there."
I love how Ottawa complains sayin that: "our" cedu experience is being discounted...and then continues on and eventually admits that she "wasn't there" :lol:
You're still contradicting yourself ottawa, because there is no "Our" about your son's experience at RMA. It's really "His" experience,
or more appropriately His Alledged Experience, since your son never did accept our invitation to post here and verify your claims about him.
What really isn't fair, is that Ottawa continues
using her own half-assed, second-hand,self-grandizing assesment of her sons RMA Experience, to discount the real abuses that those of us who WERE at Cedu personally suffered...as if this is a legitamate comparisson, when any sane & intelligent person can clearly see that it isn't.
Ottawa stop insulting our intelligence!
It's clear that you haven't changed a bit... You're still full of yourself, and completely full of shit!
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[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-08-17 06:27 ]
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God Serb that is HILARIOUS!!!! :lol: :lol:
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I personally wonder if Ottawa's son WAS here... in the form of that anon bully. The anon bully was so outraged at Ottawa's treatment and lashed out at all of us, bullies and non bullies alike, in the most abusive fashion. You know how sons are... very protective of their mothers.
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They're both a couple of flunkies if you ask me.
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Saw the pic of Tim Earle at the Monarch School site. Hopefully he doesn't have the same taste for having sex with students like his brother Dan did.
(I heard Carmen hit the freakin' roof when she found out about that. Divorced him. Good for her.)
And Steve Rookie... eeeegghhh **shivers** what a creep. My suspicions tell me he has a thing about hanging around teen girls, too. (He always gave me the creepy crawlies.) But that's only my own suspicions, and shouldn't be taken as hard evidence in any way, shape or form.
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Well that's the thing about CEDU. Normal sexual activity in developing teens such as masturbation and flirtations were abnormally repressed while at the same time amplified and used as constant fodder for verbal and mental humiliation in front of your peers. The story about a girl who was 13 being forced to describe in graphic detail her masturbation history in front of her male peers and adult staff is not only totally vile, but COMMON in the CEDU milieu. I can't tell you how many times I witnessed these types of therapeutic abuses occur.
So here you are, on bans for smiling at a member of the opposite sex, or god forbid, laughing, repressing every normal teenage inclination, and the adult staff are getting off on your masturbation history, calling you a slut en masse, and having girls sit in their disgusting middle aged laps. Some of these staff members were, however, nice enough to wait until after you graduated to make their move. (Hey Mom, I'm dating my therapist you paid a gazillion dollars for. But don't worry, he already knows my whole sexual history and he was nice enough to only let me sit on his lap while I was a student before trying to bang me. He said all the stories they forced me to tell were good enough!)
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I agree with the whole thing about staff throwing the sexual issues around in a completely irresponsible manner. Some of the things they threw in your face or forced you to "get real" about were just not meant for public "disclosure". I hate to use that word, but hey, it fits.
As far as CEDU repressing normal sexual desires and activity, however, I think you're a little off. Anyone who could get some ass, wanted to get some ass, and was clever enough to get away with getting some ass, well they were definitely getting it. You didn't hear about it nearly as much as it was happening simply because the SMART ones kept their mouths shut and the only ones who knew about it were them and their partner. Believe me when I say, people were fucking like animals at those schools. So you got caught now and then and had to endure some weak little full-time restriction. Who cares? At least you could sit there and think about the booty you got last night, and make eyes with the girl (or guy) you were gettin' with until the heat died down and you could start gettin' it on again!!
Plenty of places that us ex-cedu students would consider NORMAL make you go a long time without getting some ass. But because there was so much other bullshit involved with cedu, we want to throw the lack of sex, or whatever other sexual contact, in there too. But again, the fact remains - - if you wanted to get laid, you could!
Seriously now, I was a boulder creek student - - who else had the best spots on campus for a little bumpin' and grindin' locked down? There were those little alcoves in the north hall classrooms (if you had a lookout of course), there was ansel adams, there was the mlk 4-man osd (again - - lookout!)...where else??
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amen to that. all that sneaking around just made the sex hotter. the kodiak/mountain lion team room up top in the dining hall was a good spot. until a certain couple blew it up and ruined it for the rest of us of course.
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On 2005-08-16 21:09:00, shanlea wrote:
"Well that's the thing about CEDU. Normal sexual activity in developing teens such as masturbation and flirtations were abnormally repressed while at the same time amplified and used as constant fodder for verbal and mental humiliation in front of your peers. The story about a girl who was 13 being forced to describe in graphic detail her masturbation history in front of her male peers and adult staff is not only totally vile, but COMMON in the CEDU milieu. I can't tell you how many times I witnessed these types of therapeutic abuses occur.
So here you are, on bans for smiling at a member of the opposite sex, or god forbid, laughing, repressing every normal teenage inclination, and the adult staff are getting off on your masturbation history, calling you a slut en masse, and having girls sit in their disgusting middle aged laps. Some of these staff members were, however, nice enough to wait until after you graduated to make their move. (Hey Mom, I'm dating my therapist you paid a gazillion dollars for. But don't worry, he already knows my whole sexual history and he was nice enough to only let me sit on his lap while I was a student before trying to bang me. He said all the stories they forced me to tell were good enough!)
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Yeah, and I went into the program identifying as a gay teen, (I had literally just come to grips with it), so that's double jeopardy. I got shit from both the staff AND my peers. I shut the fuck up about that and turned a 180 ASAP, and was paranoid to the nth until I graduated. (Paranoid that I was gay, and paranoid that people would think I was gay.) Even though I followed the "straight" (haha) and narrow from very early on, that stigma followed me all the way through my stay there. Needless to say I graduated thinking I was hetero. (That lasted about three months, until I lost my virginity to my first gay encounter. Hoo yah!)
But seriously, I can laugh about all of this now. Mainly because the whole encounter was just so obscenely absurd, and it was such a long time ago.
I mentioned in another forum that it was like being in a David Lynch movie for 2 and a half years. (Except there were no ladies inside radiators.)
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I don't know. Maybe BCA was looser. CEDU RS was more tightly controlled and I honestly don't think most people were having sex at all. WE were all kept on a short leash and the culture of spying, snitching, and complying was extremely entrenched. Hell you couldn't even laugh with a guy without being put on bans and all your peers and bullies made sure you complied.
I understand why they can't have underaged teenagers bumping like rabbits, but the total repression of development and making normal things abnormal was fucked up. Especially since exploiting sex,including sexual trauma, and normal things like masturbation to such amplified degree in group settings was fucked up.
The only thing I remember them taking a code of silence on at the time I went to CEDU was with regard to homosexuality. That topic was like the military.
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boulder creek wasn't exactly loose. and there were snitches every step of the way. tons of them! maybe we were all just a little bit hornier and willing to do what it took to get a little poontang?
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That could be, or maybe you're just over exaggerating a lot, or perhaps just bullshitting us altogether. By the way shanlea is a hetrosexual woman, so you're probably correct when you say that you "wanted the poontang"
more that she did.
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Exaggerating? You're a moron. People got slapped with full times left and right for getting busy. Which means that even more were getting away with it. Just because you couldn't get some ass in a place where everyone had desert island syndrome doesn't mean we're all as pathetic as you.
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On 2005-08-17 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Exaggerating? You're a moron. People got slapped with full times left and right for getting busy. Which means that even more were getting away with it. Just because you couldn't get some ass in a place where everyone had desert island syndrome doesn't mean we're all as pathetic as you. "
To the contrary, I didn't stay at bca, but instead got pulled waaay early, and I went back home where I fucked my girlfriend's brains out, either in my car, one of our beds,or a hotel,in other words I got laid like a man, while you freaks were rolling around in pine needles and dead bugs, just like a common farm animals, gay ones too, because everyone knows that dick came a lot easier than poontang at BCA!
Sure I saw a few guys who were at bca and got some strait tail from the female students, but those guys got paid to be there and went home at night, you weren't one of those guys...
so seriously: Quit Fronting!
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This guy was the one who was fucken in the chicken coop at BCA! :lol:
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which guy?
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On 2005-08-17 08:22:00, shanlea wrote:
"The only thing I remember them taking a code of silence on at the time I went to CEDU was with regard to homosexuality. That topic was like the military. "
Yes. At RMA, you weren't gay. You just "had issues." Caroline dogged me mercilessly about this while I was in Voyageurs. But she was pretty nasty to me about everything, so I guess you could say she was an "equal opportunity offender". :lol:
I remember, if anyone at RMA was to be getting dating privileges in upper school it was to be me. (And I was encouraged to do so.) Anything to affirm that I was hetero. But I just wasn't interested.
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Kids were definitely getting ass at bca - gay and straight alike - but who can really brag about that shit? Most of those girls were certainly nothing to be proud of. My 2 best friends for 2 years were my hand and my feef. Then I went home and let all the frustration out. Only way to do it.
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Blake Cohen in the chicken coop with that nasty slut choco taco crystal! But that was before your time Dominick. Was the chicken coop a frequent love shack during your time too?
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That guy got some ass! Crystal who? Please don't tell me it was the same Crystal that gave McLean a WHOLE lotta ass! Omigod!!!! Puma, who are you? Since you know exactly who I am, isn't it only fair that I know who you are? :razz: But yes, the chicken coop was reserved for one lovely couple whereas the latter half was recently on The Bachelor! lol[ This Message was edited by: If u want to know..then ask on 2005-08-17 14:35 ]
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Cohen was in love with this nasty horse lipped girl named Crystal who was a bit after your time we were going down to do farm chores once and as we're walking up to the chicken coop cohen comes hustling out. we're like cohen what the fuck are you up to? and sure enough we walk in and theres crystals nasty ass trying to hide behind one of the feed barrels.
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DAMN!
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about getting pregnant when you were screwing around on campus? You had to think about that, right? Did you just not care?
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you probably thought you were really smart when you wrote that post. but how hard do you really think it was to get condoms on campus? every time i had sex i used a condom at that school.
your problem is you went about the whole cedu thing wrong. you just sat there and hated your life for being in such a shitty place which is what a lot of people did instead of being smart and making the place a little better.
kids from bonners ferry worked on the decks and dorms and couldn't have given a fuck about cedu. if you were cool with them and they knew you werent a little bitch who was gonna get them fired they'd hook you up. needed condoms? they'd get them for you. shit when we were in upper school and could actually hold some money they'd bring is bacardi. never asked them but i doubt they would've had a problem bringing some trees either.
if you knew what you were doing at bca you could have a little fun. without doing coricidin or robo tripping or whatever all that shit was.
then again the best thing was to just get pulled.
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When I was in quest and needed condoms I would just pay one of my friends in challenge to bring them back from their town trips. I mean shit three challenge kids getting dropped off at the kmart in sandpoint alone? You think its a problem to bring back condoms?
I know they liked to search people when they got back. Then you just dropped the shit out the window 5 miles from campus and then ran the 8 mile loop the next day with at least one challenge kid, and then whoever the hell else as long as they weren't voyagers. Yeah it was a lot of work, but what else was there to do around there.
But it is definitely an exaggeration that everyone around there was getting ass. I will say that more than half the people I knew there got a little at least once. Not necesarrily sex because half of the kids there were virgins anyways. But I know there was a good amount of people getting laid there. And not all of them were dumb enough to be knocking each other up.
In the 29 months I was there I don't remember a single person getting pregnant, but then again you never really know where people were going when they went on doctors trips.
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This is really funny---we happen to know "Ottawa" and how she was bullied misrepresented and insulted at this site---and now you losers try to make it sound like she's the villian---when all she ever did was talk a little sense in this asylum known as Fornits That's what comes of talking sense to raving lunatic drug fiends I guess
From what I hear she's done with you all---learned what she needed to know as she told me---I haven't seen her but I'd bet money that she hasn't posted anything here recently--she thinks you morons are sick and besides she's got nothing more to say to you
A couple of us keep involved here and if anything interesting happened here we tell her about it---but this site is about as dead as a site can get without dropping out of consciousness---so believe what you want I don't think Ottawa has time for you or any interest in your tired old repeat argument
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Hey- that's crazy. I had forgotten about so much of this! The two girls who got caught kissing behing the dorms- a certain guy with like 4 different girls all over the place (who walked out of the Summit!) I wish we could all have a reunion and swap old stories! My parents had dinner with Bergman and his girlfriend and parents last week in Cali. Green lives in Cali too, I'm trying to go visit this year.
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On 2005-08-18 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is really funny---we happen to know "Ottawa" and how she was bullied misrepresented and insulted at this site---and now you losers try to make it sound like she's the villian---when all she ever did was talk a little sense in this asylum known as Fornits That's what comes of talking sense to raving lunatic drug fiends I guess
From what I hear she's done with you all---learned what she needed to know as she told me---I haven't seen her but I'd bet money that she hasn't posted anything here recently--she thinks you morons are sick and besides she's got nothing more to say to you
A couple of us keep involved here and if anything interesting happened here we tell her about it---but this site is about as dead as a site can get without dropping out of consciousness---so believe what you want I don't think Ottawa has time for you or any interest in your tired old repeat argument"
Awe, look who came back all the sudden to defend Mommy...he's such a good little boy!
I bet Mommy's proud of you! :lol:
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That's cool if you want to bully people, but at least put in a few crazy CEDU stories so we have something to read...[ This Message was edited by: Bean2 on 2005-08-19 09:58 ]
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On 2004-12-22 14:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
" The onll decent guy to ever work at R.M.A was Tom Dunn, Maybe That guy Ben At B.C.A. Who worked at Ascent. The rest of them are fucking losers. Sheila claremont beats her kids. Tim Earle, wow, he was a fucking winner. Go home and smoke pot and lock your kids in the closet, then preach love, thats a homicidal maniac waitng to happen. Tim miles, go fuck animals, since those are the only things you feel comfortable around. Tony Allmaras was a real fag, we all know where you got that lisp and those knee injuries, wasnt from football, more like mouth balls. Dave hampton was just a fucking caveman, he even walked like it. Patsy thompson, is probably bagging groceries again at safeway, Her husband Fred was a decent guy, but the truth be told, he was probably gay, any body who satys with a Beast like that is probably taking it on the side, or elswhere...John AAron, halitosis, or did he eat small children and animals. Nichole rowell, Wow, nice front, we all know you went to school here, so what gives you the right to take a couple kids that you like and let them fuck and drink at your house while they watch your degenerate inbred children, while you make everyone elses life hell??? Blah, Im done, fuck you guys. Inever pretended to like you and i still dont, and i graduated. Go fuck yourselves, and if it seems harsh, you should hear all the shit that they said to me in raps. EAT A DICK!!
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On 2005-08-18 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is really funny---we happen to know "Ottawa" and how she was bullied misrepresented and insulted at this site---and now you losers try to make it sound like she's the villian---when all she ever did was talk a little sense in this asylum known as Fornits That's what comes of talking sense to raving lunatic drug fiends I guess
From what I hear she's done with you all---learned what she needed to know as she told me---I haven't seen her but I'd bet money that she hasn't posted anything here recently--she thinks you morons are sick and besides she's got nothing more to say to you
A couple of us keep involved here and if anything interesting happened here we tell her about it---but this site is about as dead as a site can get without dropping out of consciousness---so believe what you want I don't think Ottawa has time for you or any interest in your tired old repeat argument"
Hey, this is the Captain Kirk troll. I--can--recognize--that---style--anywhere.
Same 'ol dashes and name-calling. Time to get a new schtick, Kirk.
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On 2005-08-18 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is really funny---we happen to know "Ottawa" and how she was bullied misrepresented and insulted at this site---and now you losers try to make it sound like she's the villian---when all she ever did was talk a little sense in this asylum known as Fornits That's what comes of talking sense to raving lunatic drug fiends I guess
From what I hear she's done with you all---learned what she needed to know as she told me---I haven't seen her but I'd bet money that she hasn't posted anything here recently--she thinks you morons are sick and besides she's got nothing more to say to you
A couple of us keep involved here and if anything interesting happened here we tell her about it---but this site is about as dead as a site can get without dropping out of consciousness---so believe what you want I don't think Ottawa has time for you or any interest in your tired old repeat argument"
That's too funny. Ottawa posting as someone who "knows Ottawa". Even funnier how the posts are from the same computer.
Also funny that Ottawa can't remember the phrases she used while posting under that name and repeats them verbatim while pretending to be someone else.
You're an idiot, Ottawa. :wave:
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On 2005-08-16 16:02:00, shanlea wrote:
"I personally wonder if Ottawa's son WAS here... in the form of that anon bully. The anon bully was so outraged at Ottawa's treatment and lashed out at all of us, bullies and non bullies alike, in the most abusive fashion. You know how sons are... very protective of their mothers. "
It's actually Ottawa posting as if she were someone else. Apparently she's a schizophrenic jerk, not just a regular-type jerk.
A psych patient doing therapy? Interesting...
Ottawa, you forgot to take your Zyprexa, and it shows!
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On 2005-08-16 16:02:00, shanlea wrote:
"I personally wonder if Ottawa's son WAS here... in the form of that anon bully. The anon bully was so outraged at Ottawa's treatment and lashed out at all of us, bullies and non bullies alike, in the most abusive fashion. You know how sons are... very protective of their mothers. "
No, it's Ottawa5 posing as a kid. She has MPD.
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hey i just graduated from the monarch school in august. i mist say it helped me a lot, but at the same time there are some major problems with how that school is run. its very honest and blah ablah blah, but they make kids do physical labor if they screw up. we had to write to our parents every week and the mail went out on wednesday. i turned it in 2 days late and i had to work all sunday outside in the sun by myself taking a huge stump out of the ground. not cool.
Ariel is still there. she is a very in touch woman and i think shes very loving.
i worked with steve rookie. i think hes crazy. im not too fond of him.
jane habberman is anal.
anyone else know anything about monarch?? did you guys all go to schools like it?
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WTF is Monarch and how did Ariel, Steve and Jane all wind up THERE?!
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http://monarchschool.com/ (http://monarchschool.com/)
another behavior mod place billing itself as "emotional growth"
Steve, Dave, and Tim Earle work there. (At least that's what it says on the faculty roster.)
And yes, Steve Rookey is a total tool, and a lecherous douchebag.
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On 2006-03-24 10:01:00, If u want to know..then ask wrote:
"WTF is Monarch and how did Ariel, Steve and Jane all wind up THERE?!"
dont forget yarborough
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Curtis Foster seems to be at monarch as well. He was at NWA when I was there.
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http://monarchschool.com/
another behavior mod place billing itself as "emotional growth"
Steve, Dave, and Tim Earle work there. (At least that's what it says on the faculty roster.)
And yes, Steve Rookey is a total tool, and a lecherous douchebag.
Steve Rookey is worse than that. When I was at NWA he put someone on a table for having intense pains in her side that he claimed were the product of undealt with emotions. It turned out that she had appendicitis, and a nurse had to sneak her out to the hospital. Steve was running NWA at that time.
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Just wanted to know if anyone knows where staff circa 1989/90 are now from CEDU RS. I know about Bentzs. What about Pam Abell, Mark Wiliams, Steve Houghton, Laurie Saunders, and Jim Johnson--anyone?
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What happened to Rob Nelson? Red headed guy with a mustache who quit and moved to the LA area.
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http://www.justice-denied.net/Depo_Grant.htm (http://www.justice-denied.net/Depo_Grant.htm)
sleazy mark wasserman phony foundation for brown money launderers for cascade shakedown
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Man, hearing some of these names sure get the old memory going....
I was at RMA on Ned/Tony's team from 1993-1995. At the time I graduated I had pretty much drank the Kool-Aid, but over the last 12 years I have come to realize that whatever successes I have had in my life are "in spite of" rather than "because of" my experience there.
Even if you look past the bizzaro scream at the floor nonsense, the way they treated kids with serious issues was way screwed up. I was in more than one rap where some young teen girl was made to recount her sexual history in graphic detail. Looking back on it, you see how wrong it was and how it was certainly on the seedy side (You really, really like young girls stories don't ya? [insert Male AND/OR Female Counselor's name here]).
The worst part is that they build up this idea of "Idealistic" living in your mind full well knowing that at some point you are going back to a world in which reality trumps any sort of "Camelot" crap.
I shudder when I think of how they guilted me into thinking that anything that was could even remotely be considered "out of agreement" could ruin my last bit of time there. Hell, I was even afraid to hang out with a girl I liked quite a bit b/c she was being too affectionate. Looking back on it, what in the world was wrong with that? Nothing, but they had succeeded in screwing up my value system so much that I only valued what the school taught was good or what made it most easy/possible for them to control 200 teenagers. Unbelievable.
And yes, plenty of people where having sex. Unfortunately I wasn't one of them but I happen to remember a certain incident involving 5 dudes, the student store and a wheel barrow....
Those were the days.
It is interesting to see where all the old staff have gone. In fact, Ned doesn't live far from me now - over in Augusta, GA. Every once in a while I consider making the drive over there to greet him at his office. Do you think he could stop shaking long enough to shake my hand?
Probably not.
And Ned, your wife wanted me to bang her so bad in 95 it made her loopy. But I was a student so she married you. Second place ain't bad I guess.
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The same Ned who was there in 1989? "Nice and tight" ned? (What a douche bag).
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I ran into Bruce Wilson In Seattle as I was drinking coffee on Capitol Hill w/ another graduate of RMA. He married Shannon (Carmen and Doug's kid.. Carmen's stepchild:) when she was 18 or 19 I think. We went to Dan's condo to talk... his wife was 'away'. Bruce was the only staff who was nice to me at RMA and gave me a chance to prove that I wasn't an asshole. I turned 18 there and left legally 3 months before my 'graduation'. He had to sneak me out (Dana Wasserman had it out for my ass) to have dinner at the Kootenai Inn to celebrate. I realized while we ate that there was something more than I thought when the waitress asked if she should charge the dinner to our room! He never did anything untoward but if I had given a hint of an OK I can see how it could have been. In my eyes he helped me by being an adult and treating me like one too, even though I was a scared, spoiled idiot:) Most of those fucks that worked at CEDU and RMA had no business teaching anyone, let alone kids with issues. Bruce has made a niche for himself I suppose and only helped me in that God awful place.
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I was at CEDU 85-86 and Laurie Saunders made it her personal crusade to torture me. On my birthday I was on a full-time and a bird shit on my head. Ha HA HA. Well, I was working by myself (of course) near my dorm and I figured I could clean up real quick w/out anyone noticing. Wrong. I was in my dorm showering when I felt a hand grab my hair and pull me out of the shower. I had soap in my hair and in my eyes not to mention being totally scared and naked. Laurie Saunders was screaming at me.. saying.. 'how dare you! you are breaking your full-time and will be sent to Excelsier or Provo!' I broke away from her stupid grasp and went back to the shower to rinse off. Once again I was pulled out. She tried to drag me around the room! Naked! I was very, very shy at the time and grabbed anything to cover myself. I told her I needed to put deoderant on before I went down to the 'house' and she violently grabbed me and pulled me out the door to confront my punishment. Needless to say I ran away soon after. What a repressed lesbian.
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I wondered what happened to good ole Laurie. She also made my time thre especially unpleasant. She was a lying sack of shit, working out her own fucked up psyche on us.
But I have no idea what happened to her. Would like to though!
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Ugh! I HATED Laurie Saunders!!!!! When I first arrived there, she was the one to chop my bangs off. They were about an inch long when she was through with them. She had a look of pure hatered while she was doing it too.
She was such a bitch.
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I wanted to add that I was also there the same time you were. I graduated in '87.
I'm sure we knew each other.
My name is Lynne.
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Lynne, I arrived in April of 2007.
Did you graduate in summer or fall? Who was in your peer group?
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What I find surprising is that everyone gets a hit of the power pipe as long as they stay around long enough. Every year at RMA it seemed like a relay race as to who was family head or headmaster. And they had different schools to shift people around in for one of ANY number of reasons. Some people we thought were fired are opening their own schools. All these people can say they had escalating experiential responsabilities and job titles. So the person who was the fish farmer or new staff one year could be running workshops, raps, profeets, summits or whatever two years later. It does strike me as a racket.
can I get an amen?
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MMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
n, motherfucker.
a hit off the power pipe. classic.