General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Froderik on March 12, 2015, 08:26:04 AM

Title: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on March 12, 2015, 08:26:04 AM
It's a bit of shame that the posting activity on this board, these fora, or FORNITS (for lack of better words) is moribund, at best. Here you have a completely uncensored and open forum, and yet people are still drawn to the social data mining experiment known as facebook like moths to a flame. It's known that FB opened up its doors nice and wide to snooping and snitching (you can report posts now, flagging them as "untruthful" or "inappropriate," and lot of political videos have been flagged, for example, as I found while still on it; welcome to the ministry of truth.) And most facebook users are trusting enough to use their own names on it....

To those of you (Pile of Dead Kids, Gookin, Oscar, Matt Hoffman, dragonfly, pirate, etc.) who still post here, I just want to say that I'm glad to see you're still doing it. (Pile of Dead Kids, you have one of the coolest screen names this forum has ever seen, whether we agree about everything or not.)

I hate seeing a good thing like Fornits die while "social media" supplants it as a medium of expression.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on March 14, 2015, 04:52:21 PM
People are both lazy and fucking stupid for taking facebook seriously. Lazy as its easier to have a one stop shopping center sort of social media and "advocacy  ::)" site. Fucking stupid for forgetting just how powerful a tool anonymity can be.

Mind you its a tool that cuts both ways, hence imperfect, yet far more versatile than the clownpit of facebook.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on March 16, 2015, 07:48:50 PM
I don't understand why private individuals sign up for Mark Zuckerberg's data mining operation either. Not using real names was something that people learned to do early on in the days of fucking AOL. Do these people think that the Internet has gotten any safer since then? Life after life has been ruined by people connecting their real names to their Internet exploits; I know this because I have personally ruined lives this way.

Most people who value anonymity are on 8chan, having moved there from 4chan after a user revolt.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on March 19, 2015, 08:26:57 PM
can't get my grandma to browse 8chan.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2015, 09:21:32 PM
Wow, what a cool site!  :o

I have to admit, I didn't know about it until now!
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on March 26, 2015, 08:40:46 PM
Browsing 8 chan will lead to early onset baldness. I have it on good account that NASA demanded PoDK wear a hat at all times due to the reflective properties of his shiny dome.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Antigen on May 02, 2015, 10:45:41 AM
Well, the reason why everybody's on FB is because everybody's on FB. That's where the eyeballs are at right now. That is the crossroads of choice. And so that's where ya gotta do yer pickin' and a'grinnin' if you want to be seen.

I use my real name cause... bring it. G'won and bring it. I hate secrets. They make lousy pets. Always getting loose, running out in the street, getting into the neighbors' trash then coming back to bite you in the arse.... All ya'll, of course, might take a different tack from time to time or all of the time.

I gotta tell ya, Podk, you were right as rain about Wilkes Barre.  :-*

It takes a thousand voices.

I miss this other thing, though. I don't know how much time the current admin has to dedicate to this. I haven't even looked around enough to know if they are publicly acknowledging ownership. I note that there are 137 views on this page, though and only a handful of us speaking. I no longer have access to the back end. I'm not in a position right now to take over full operation, but I've got a regular day job with every night off so I could take on some admin tasks if all ya'll want me to.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Carmel on August 05, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Im a huge dick.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on August 22, 2015, 10:25:44 AM
So Antigen, do you just leave all of your doors unlocked and tell strangers where you live, your bank account pin number (if you happen to have anything in the bank; personally, I see no point in it anymore, and have little to deposit anyway)?  What about encryption? Is such a thing a waste of time? Yes, of course, all eyes are on a bunch of cattle led to slaughter, you might say? (The "American Freedom Act" which picked up where the expired Patriot Act left off, has made it legal for corporations to do the governments dirty work for them, i.e., transferring collected data to them. Facebook was first in line with this, from what I've gathered..  just my .02 on "secret keeping" and such.)

Hi, Carmel. If you're a dick, then I have no clue what I am..  :)
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Eliscu2 on August 23, 2015, 02:29:25 PM
Ahhhh Spybook.
The world booking room.
I noticed there was something creepy way back when I first signed up.
The URL was 4 digits of my local police dept. :o
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: sam_montano on October 06, 2015, 04:17:24 PM

I completely agree with the author of this topic. And the most frightful thing is that Facebook is going to be used for banking industry to give marks to people as how risky it is to give them a money loan...
What is for sure is that fb plays already a big role in social engineering and that zukerberg is nothing more than a sayanim who provides a tool to control western society.
Title: Yo Froderik
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 07, 2015, 12:20:48 AM
I hear you about" facecrap"  and I don't comment there like I did- seems like everything just gets pushed down by more stuff and that gets pushed down by more stuff to the point to where it is just so darn impacted by the stuff on top that you just don't see it any more and then ( not than)  no one can find it because there is so much stuff . I hear you loudly, succinctly and clearly.

so man have you ever heard of Lindy Fralin pick ups ?  Getting some split blades , I believe they are the high out put version put in my strat - I hope like hell man you are still playin - can't imagine you are not - you know it keeps us sane - got a new guitbox , pretty happy with it , its called a Martin sumthing about them being made in Nazerath  1883-  writing songs and stuff man I really think I got something to say with the fiddles if you know what I mean . the passion don't care what I look like like a fucken mad man on stage - the transformation just feel right  - its the voice and the words being backed by that darn instrument - been keeping me busy - my children have been telling me to just go start a fucken  band  ( well they don't use that word )-  they tell me  though -I think they might be right -  screw face book.

I post here brother Frodorik - I know you , you know me - you speak the truth - what the fuck was/is up with that place in Shitcago , the place where the cops keep people with out chargin them - I hear you  man - fuck the  damn newbies don't have the balls to post on this site . So scared have to be complacent- feel safe post on platforms that turn and turn and then in 6 months they turn away from the horror of it all and their bogie monster place is still eatin children's souls  - and those stupid sites aint gonna shut down the programs - it is up to the newbies to shut their own damn program down - gotta write them letters - gotta write them post gotta write on the fornits - it stays - it can be found -some once told me the fornits is a great resource -they have no idea how great a resource it is - word truth and it is the way .- man so much to say .  Been reading some old post s stuff that I hadn't seen before the god dam fucken  fornit idiot was reigning supreme - why do survivors lie - fuck that loaded fucken shit storm question - fucken god dam fornit idiot - the bastard of e fucking elan - go dam reading shit on here Froderik  man man could not believe the insanity - why do fucken suvivors lie - shut the fuck up asshole  and the pages  34 plus  of adnausuem of socked puppets of the insane - the ever protector of that fucking hell hole - goddam -froderik - I say god /Dam the fucking insanity.

Man I miss our friend Kim - still sad - man put the link to the book back up please the book is killer the book is better than anything Ofshe could ever spout and that man has a P the h fucken D -  please put it back up - fear not the idiots you speak the truth - man please .

Songs I have been playin man - three serious originals got the meat got the madness - got more in me just screaming to get out - patience I know they will surface and they will be sung  can't be angry makes me cry when I get in touch with the meat of the song(s) - I  work thru it- it is intense - yet brother my friend Froderik you know exactly what I am talkin about  - playing an old Neil young song "and her smile turned to plaster and I let her " can't remember the title - so tired of the newbies just want to be consoled and told that  just keep your shit here  on our site 6 months it will be gone but you will still be here ,crying that your fucking program is still killin children - fuck that noise Froderik - know what I mean - gotta take it to them - take it to the editors , take it to any one who will listen -take it to the streets - wear a god dam sandwich board -  no fuken problem - ask me about the elan fucking corporation - standing out side the court house - ask me mother freaker ask me about the Elan corporation - yeah Ill be there when that shit starts up - fuck the cry babies who gives a shit about your orientation that's your business  - I am  talkin about the insanity , the criminality , the fucken brutality , the sadism that us kids would never have ever thought about because we were children - fuck that shit - get off your freakin ass - you call your self a militant -sheet mofo you - you aint but just wet behind the fucking ears a newbie - looking for that instagratifacation of consolement - I hear you Froderik - goddam I hear you man (over an  A minor cord at an audio of eleven going to a c major to a g major - bridge is g maj going to d minor back to c maj and g maj but its the picking the goddam finger picking that sets that shit  apart , the dampening of the strings - I swear Froderik you can do more on an amped acoustic than a fucken lectric any day and with no pedals - straight up on a plugged in acoustic .

 Fuck why cry about it why call yourself a militant if you aint got the balls or guts to actually get off your ass and work for goddam change - but the console ment mammies dole it out fucken bull shit shootin out the goddam cows ass like pus from a mongo's boil - ewww that's a squerrrierrl  a dead mother fucken squerrierrl  put that shit  down - Militant my goddam left toe nail clipping, into the trash with that shit. 

My Cincy Buddy knows and she screams like I do and like you do Froderik - and we aint screaming for goddam ice fucken cream - we scream for justice , we scream for the dead our  fuken friends, our family - who fucken died because other mother fuckers valued money more than the welfare of children - so god dam sad - the potential just fucken killed the life snuffed out because money was more important than children's lives - I hear you Froderik -

Man I have been getting 2 hours a freaking day with that guitfiddle - every single day - if I don't play I suffer - I don't like to suffer - I am done suffering for the nonsense  fuck the phoney  militant pussy wantabes - who cares about your orientation - who in this day and age gives a fuck about that - just grow a pair of audacity sacs and  stand up don't hide behind the platform - I am here  Froderik -

I know you are here - where the fuck is Rick - the Woof -put the god dam book man put the god dam book back up - fuck it it was so goddam good it was the truth- put the book link back up please put the book back up .

Newbies fresh from the programs don't hide stand up only you can shut your  own shitty program down - - it is all on fornits - add to it fuck it or its gonna keep eatin children's souls - militant my ass - you aint seen militant - mother fucker .

Fuck Trump just like shitler  gonna make America great again just like Shitler  said gonna make Germany great again - gotta hate some one though blame it all on some one for making the state weak. Trumps got two- he hates on moslems  and if that don't take then the its the  hate the Hispanics - Shitler had just one- the jews  blame them for all the troubles - trumps just as big a fuken fascist as shitler -m ilitant my left eye - boy you aint but a punk hide on that shitty platform get coddled by the mammies - censor my ass bitch - fuck that noise militant my eye lash -

The mammies or mommies aint being racis they t give no  guidance for the newbies -I see it as not their fault - partly cause  they still think with the amygdala and not with the frontal cortex - not their fault though the mammies/mommies  like to keep them around give credence to their egos and yet the child;s program just keeps on eating children -  and spittin out the painful reminders- that is why we stood up and took it back to the mother fuckers- you aint seen militant boy   brain not begun to develop has no clue what happened to them , hasn't enough to realize  just what the fuck the 24 /7 365 cortisol bath did to them to their fucking developing children brains - goddam the mommies of the  coddling platforms have no fucken clue either-  but mommy why is my program still eating children -shut up kid I'm coddling you . Foderik I say goddam man , god fuckin dam - the shit is insane - HR3060 you would think all the newbies would comment and beg people to support it but no not even the mammies they are  too fucken scared of getting sued because they aren't goddam survivors - but by god they'll coddle you.   

The program (s) fuken laughing as they eat more children -the mammies just coddle -fuck tha noise -you hear me Froderik  The mammies just console and go poor poor baby - man Froderik you and me we got friends and family that are dead because of these fucken programs - And Brother I am so sorry for the ones you loved that are gone -as I miss my friends that died just like the song ----says .

All the fuck along the god dam watch tower Froderik  no time to talk falsely now - you and I have been thru that - fuck so many see it as a fucken joke -

Man Foderik I hear you man like you are sitting across from me- in my house  I know the god dam rage - but man I can now sing about it - The programs laugh at the stupid cut and paste bullshit of the fravorite playin fool - carry it here but don't carry that there don't want to hurt the newbies sensitivities , militant my fucking left eye -

So I be playin I be singin  I am being told to go start a fucken band - okay - you win okay I will god dam it.  sure the mammies just-offer instant gratification to the newbies and the programs just sing and dance -

But newbies know this - the mother fukcers that ran elan aint laughing and sing and dancing - holy shit that place is closed down because of the fucking survivors we stood up newbies and we said no fuck you - and they ran like the serial child abusing cowards like they are -so many Froderik -so many that you didn't know -friends of mine dead because mother fuckers in the god dam state of fucken Maine valued money more than the very children's lives they were to protect. Aint that right mister Bill Diamond - Froderik it is like shootin fish in a god dam barrel - we know the judge  we know the AGs we know the shit stains in the Maine Dept of education - we know the whos and it aint what Horton heard - and the newbies just run to the mommie platforms and get that insta- aw you poor baby they were mean to you - fucken AAAA  - just post your stain here we can't do anything about it  and were aren't gona tell you  the truth - if you want it to close you gotta do what those elan bastards did - you take it back to them just like Wes Fager and the mammies go Wes who?

You take it back to them like Wes Fager said and you shove it back down their stinkin throats - look at the Elan cowards 15 year now been play the guit box for 30 years now yes I had and have something to say with it -but look at the fucken elan cowards - the Morris Finks , the Ronnie Evans , the chief Marty Kruglik and the other chief Jeffery Gottlieb, Sharon fucken Terry  - 15 years my brother Froderik- been screaming about all that shit in a very restrained fashion like ginger says polite conversation - taking it back to those cowards and they ran - I guess Wes never thought the stains would run like they did. They couldn't stand the light of Day the fucken elan cabal of shit stains .  Hide behind the mouth piece from hell ole Ed McColl -

Fuck me  and you just cut and paste dude like a Danish prune sandwhich - the wiki is wrong about elan - it was no fucken school - Phil Williams died 12 27-82 after a beat down session - goddam fac yo t pile o dead kids add that fucken name -and brother could you please tell me why you haven't put that up when it was announced years ago - Haldor just wants to cut and fuken paste - fuken keep the newbies impotent keep em complacent militsant my fucken stoned donkey  .

So Froderik what have you my brother- my friend- have you been playing on the guitbox - I  have got a version of deep river blues - it aint snappy or happy like Doc /Watson's version -its a goddam piedmont  blues tune man - I got a rider going on  I know you know you rider man gonna miss you you when you're gone - I got a Ramble on Rose  man- take me to the leader of the fucken band man- I got me a Little //wing man -and a hundred others -

So friend brother man Froderik what have you been playin lately ?  what has anyone been playin besides watchin the newbies - goddam got no time for it I got music to  make , I got songs to sing - goddam I gotta band to start -


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Antigen on December 08, 2015, 07:22:06 PM
Damn, man! I didn't know you had that many words in ya!

Man I miss our friend Kim - still sad - man put the link to the book back up please the book is killer the book is better than anything Ofshe could ever spout and that man has a P the h fucken D -  please put it back up - fear not the idiots you speak the truth - man please .

Which book you talking about? I'll be collecting good ones for listing at ( so pile on.

Oh dear! Starting a band are ye? Ok, well artist exchange is part of the mission too!

Yeah, this is def the place to revamp the revolution. Apologies for my recent and extended absence. It was necessary and unavoidable. But it does feel good to be starting down this path again!

If anybody has ideas about how to bring about and structure this consortium, the data trove and such like, we can use all the help we can get. Here's the first and only project we've actually done something for, aside from ( (which Zack has brought about,  start to finish, out of his own pocket, start to near the end stretch and now needing funding to publish book two, DIJ: Overwritten) (

Now I'm gonna catch up with the rest of this thread, thanks very much.

Oh, in case anybody didn't know it already, Zack is blownawaytheidahoway

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 08, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
Shoot on a bad day you can't shut me up, I have always tried to stick with your thing of "polite conversation" when discussing the program(s) or the insanity and quite frankly I didn't know I had so much to say recently and goodness those words  -

I hope I didn't embarrass Froderik - that was not my intention as I hope one can tell - yepper covered a lot of things . Froderik  seriously man what have you been playin lately - need a page for that - not just what you have been listening to lately ,though what have you been playin lately 

Ah the Book , The book is Institutionalized Persuasion by Marcus Chatfield.  seems like the link disappeared.

"Oh me o my I just love that country pie."

Starting a band ,sshhh my children will hear you -  and they always say Dad you never listen to us. I gotta keep up my cred with them. Dads deaf plays that stuff so darn loud .  Loud and proud - bout time I do something with it.

Gotta plug a website  Eat Sleep Guitar (  it is pretty good and the man knows his stuff.  Check it out for all you folks that want to brush up or want to learn that guitfiddle thing  - I love the practice glimpses -

I have seen the Book - posted around the corners of the web I will have to check it out . Dead Insane or in Jail - funny Elans mantra was you were going to be an emotional cripple (insane ) or in Jail or dead - can't believe that place actually promoted suicide as an option -  sadly so many took Elan up on it.

You got the reigns back to this ultimate circus - Ginger with all the insanity that went down - I still love this site - It truly is an amazing resource it is a shame that the newbies ( ones just woke up from their programs wash or simply just realized that their program was sick ) don't post here .

They should instead of posting on those koffe klutch sites that don't do anything at least here they find fellow survivors and will find their monster program - and they can rage - and just maybe actually work together to end the lunacy - I hope the Green Chimney Folks get on board here.

You know Ginger it is time to take it back to them just like Wes Fager said - and former employees of the stains can't hurt they can try but they cant hurt because we will be watching, as people watched out for me and man I seriously thank all of you for doing what you did when the bastard was twisting the knife.

Funny thing I am glad at least when I got my frontal cortex back that the internet wasn't around when I was still using my amygdala - God knows the lunacy I would have written then, you can see it on those sites and it actually is kinda funny if it weren't for  the sickness of  the program(S)

Ginger always a pleasure and always know it is worth chewing thru those straps .

Until there is justice for Elan survivors and Phil Williams that drum I'm a gonna pound .



Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on December 11, 2015, 08:45:20 AM
Hey Matt, It's great to see you posting on here again. I had been checking this thread for a while, looking for more replies, saw nothing new and stopped checking for a bit, but happened to see yours last night when i came on here to post about something else entirely (I won't get into that now.)

I can still recall sitting in the same room with you (literally) back at that surv party in wherever, whenever, VA. I'm glad to hear you've been playing guitar. Yep, I have too; I kept that daily regimen going, every day that I was alone in the house. My self-esteem tends to hinge on it. (It tends to flag a bit after a gig, if there's nothing else lined up.) I even made up a few songs of my own this past summer / fall. Those are mostly instrumentals.

I might be headed down your way not too long from now. I don't want to say too much here, but it'd be great to jam with you if possible.. I still need to retrieve, and dust off, my big amp from the old practice space in MD (where it's been sitting for a few years now). Generally, I've gotten reclusive, and my wheels need work now still. Getting a bit antsy, though, and reading your post served to add to that fire!
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 13, 2015, 08:21:53 AM
Hi Froderik,

Yes man I remember talking with you at the "survivor" gathering- and of course I have enjoyed reading what you have been listening to lately. (among your other comments of wit and knowledge )  Among many things that we spoke about then was music - It would be wonderful to get together and jam - in fact I am looking forward to doing this - if need be there can be practice spaces found here or they can be found there in that near by city .  I believe we are on the same page, and I will say no more.

Still from reading the- what one has been listening to Topic  - I am really excited about playing- and I think you might be pleasantly surprised as well . Besides I have two acoustics so don't worry about not having an instrument to ( hate to use these words ) bang around on. I got my Strat back and the Lindy p/u s are something else - it really makes the p/u s that Fender puts in their instruments appear to be almost pure  junk, well of course that is my opinion- and we all know that my opinion and 1.75 will get one a small coffee at the local 7-11 or Lucky's market - you know depending where you are.

You know reclusive can be good sometimes lol -  Hey did you hear Carlbrook school finally closed ?  Aint nothing like Fornits - Hope you don't mind that I also give a shout out to "our" friend for his post - comment that he put up on another  site  about fornits. Of course I knew who it was.

I guess in the words of Dr.  Frankenstein from  the Mel Brooks movie of the same name (concerning fornits) -" it is alive". Glad you saw my comment Froderik -we will be in touch.   


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on December 13, 2015, 01:41:04 PM
I guess in the words of Dr.  Frankenstein from  the Mel Brooks movie of the same name (concerning fornits) -" it is alive".

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on December 14, 2015, 01:38:19 AM
This is a post I made on reddit in response to someone asking what happened to the reddit sub. I think it fits well for here as well.

The industry is always changing, always evolving, and always going to be a problem.
I could probably go on a long winded rant that this all started in the last century with the profits made off orphanages. But I don't think its necessary to belabor the obvious, kids are very profitable in all ways if a person can monetize them.
In the end though, its the same problem that has existed ever since they opened the first poor house in Victorian England. It didn't matter then, and it doesn't matter now, if it is a nice home/school/program.
Because there are only three types of programs, those who are abusive, were abusive, or will be abusive.
I don't spend much time on this sub, it doesn't feel like a very comfortable place for me to post. I used to work in the industry, which means I often draw a lot of ire from posters who were abused by the industry. Fair enough though, I'd be fucking pissed off as well if someone abused me, hell, someone did abuse me when I was a kid, and I am still pissed about it 30 years later. So I don't take it personally when one of the program detainees unloads on me.
As for what you propose, I bring a suggestion. WWASPsurvivors, to be found on facebook, has been doing a support hotline. I don't really know much about it as I quit their facebook group, got hard reading about the 27 or more flavors of sadism from WWASP. But... I do remember them showing a conversation and it did see to demonstrate the capacity needed to implement such a thing not being all that huge.
Not saying you need to set up a survivor hotline, they have one of those. But have you ever heard of fornits forum for wayward fora? Its the literal ground zero of internet activism for the Teen Torture Industry. It got thrown off the internet way too many times to survive, but it's still up. Www.
What it did provide in its time was anonymity. Programs sue people, they threaten people, they go after kids who are speaking out. That's a given, I saw it plenty of times on fornits.
What you can consider providing is a means, using new crypto-based software for mobile applications, is a restoration of that anonymity. Make it safe for detainees to speak, to organize, to collaborate again.
Anyway, best of luck, this isn't my regular account, its a literal troll account I use for being a goofus. So I don't expect anyone to recognize me. Which is fine.

What bothers me the most about facebook, is lack of protection against shitlord lawsuits. I mean, on fornits, with a proxy, you can ghost below the radar fairly well. If the admins follow the rules about not deleting or altering posts, they can ghost under the radar.

I do miss fornits at times, but I think the scene has changed and the generational gap has demonstrated the newer detainees are opting for venues they feel more comfortable with. I often think they do so at their own peril.

One too many stories floating around about programs demanding facebook passwords and such.

Anyway, meh.

Kind of fried on doing anything decent for anyone. Found out a kid I donated 25 bucks to for getting him from Oregon to Mobile Alabama  opted to go back to the program he was dumped out of for turning 18. I understand why it happened, just sure as shit don't like it.

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on December 15, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
It's good to see some of the core of people that are in the know (who have been involved in the fight for a while, who know and are experienced in dealing with the enemy online and in person) still breathing a little life into these forums. Yes, like you said Che, anonymity is key in this endeavor.  8)
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on December 16, 2015, 01:41:59 AM
Seems to me we need to change with the times if we are to retain that core.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on December 16, 2015, 08:57:41 AM
Agree. The question: how can that be done sans anonymity?
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 16, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
Yes it is possible  without anonymity- if I understand the question-
I wanted the Elan bastards/cabal to know that I had survived what they did to me - or what they had done to me - it was rather intense and outright sick - and there were a few times in my life that  being the emotional cripple- seemed like it was going to win and I would just become another faceless statistic of suicide found  in the wake of Elan's legacy. A legacy  imo consisting of and being a criminal enterprise that  fraudulently used  sadistic  criminal  child abuse- and masqueraded it  as therapy , while  profiting in the tens of millions of dollats  -as is/was the case of Joe Ricci's Elan . 

No Froderik and Che - I wanted those inhuman, sociopathic, sadistic miscreants that ran  Elan for and with Joe Ricci, -  Jeffery Gottlieb Sharon Terry ,and Martin Kruglik  - to  know - and  since 2000, they have known.

I gave  a letter to Jackman Wilson, in January of 2000, who was an editor at the Register Guard  in Eugene OR, and that man sent it, unbeknownst to me,  to Mike Sweeney of The Greenwich Times in Greenwich Connecticut. And Mr. Sweeney called to verify that I had indeed written that letter, then I knew- that  those Elan bastards needed to know I had survived.

I also spoke out about Elan at the first "treatment abuse " conference hosted by Dr. Arnold Trebach in the summer of 2001.   

I had survived and many of my friends/peers hadn't - I had to write under my own name -  I have said many times that I stand behind every comment that I have posted about Elan, under my name on Fornits, (and I write under my name everywhere about Elan and I stand by those comments also),  and ihe  imo  criminals that not only ran Elan , though  the   criminals  in Maine state office  that protected and aided and abetted a criminal enterprise Elan Corporation/school  as it was allowed to  exist for close to forty years.

I don't know- it was important to me that they knew, I knew what they have/had  done and what I witnessed done to other residents  and that  I am alive/able to testify about it - and the funny thing for me is that along the past 15 years on this path  I have made many  friends with Elan survivors from across  the close to four decades that Elan fraudulently ran as a imo, a protected criminal enterprise.

On this path and experience  I also learned about the death/murder of Phil Williams.

Phil Williams died shortly after a beat down session thru Joe Ricci's notorious "ring". Phil Williams died on 12-27-82. The story about Phil Williams as I understand it would just break your heart and you would think that it would have closed down  Elan then. Though because people in Maine State government valued money more than the very children's lives they were entrusted to protect - it was simply covered up. And Elan was allowed to keep abusing the living daylights out of children, private placements as well as the many states whose wards were unfortunately sent to Elan. Tens of millions of dollars Joe Ricci and his Elan made on this criminal enterprise. 

I  have written on fornits  that I don't hold anyone who had to abuse me during my time of my re-education of Elan's already  sick abusive  education because of an assault  incident- responsible for that abuse. I no longer feel guilty for that incident because it was  Elan that was sick and its practices were abusing an  already chronically abused child. In my heart I have forgiven those that were forced to abuse me during my re-education time , that  extra year that I got  because of the sickness that was Elan.  I certainly didn't  feel that after that incident that Elan, Joe Ricci and the untrained buffoons that he had working for him had my best interests at heart  because if you know what I went thru -one would be surprised that I didn't succumb to suicide post Elan.

I also have connected with residents that had to work me over because they were directed to do this, by Ricci and his henchmen . And I have told them that all is forgiven and they know and remember what I went thru - and we are friends today. I am grateful to them to be able to tell them that all  is forgiven.

One of my primary care givers use to tell me when I was little , that they were going to make sure that I didn't turn out right since as far back as I can remember -  those words still burn in my ears - Elan was simply an extension of that  sadistic chronic  horrid  abuse that I had known  my entire  childhood prior to Elan. It is no wonder that the assault incident happened.   

I think it is possible to expose and close  without anonymity - but I can understand why someone might want anonymity - God I certainly can understand that notion - and I respect that notion - I wouldn't out a survivor if you paid me.

I have few  friends from Elan who have asked me to leave their names out of this Elan saga . and I gave them my word, and to this day my word holds true, and yes I still stay in touch with them. 

There is a sense of trust I believe among the cross section of program survivors. And to break that trust would be to throw everything away that many  survivors of their prospective programs have  worked  so very hard to expose this hideous troubled teen industry - using children as a monetized commodity , yet to control/profitt off this  monetized commodity thru criminal child abuse masquerading as therapy is  insane criminality at the very  highest level of  criminality/sickness - and this has to end -

I still seek justice for Phil Williams and the many Elan survivors  that didn't make it, and those that  suffer to this day from the fraudulent protected practices of Elan.

I have been posting on fornits about  Elan since 2001, under my name.

One way or another this story has got to end.....


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on December 18, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
To be fair, not everyone has been out of program as long as you have Matt. Anonymity gives those who are still dependent on their sociopath narcissistic parents a means of talking up without getting sent back or cut off among other things.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 18, 2015, 07:15:43 PM
Very True Che – and next year it will be forty years – It is so hard to believe just how fresh it seems and vivid it still is to me. The names the faces ,the violent beat downs - the electric saucings- the absolutely violent and sadistic cowboy kick asses – the sheer lunacy of the primal scream groups/encounter groups, general meetings, the people who lived in the corner and on and on  - memories of Joe Ricci's Elan – Very true Che  " the program" as perceived/created thru Elan creator's eye's,  a misogynistic, violent, common street thug who only learned of "the program"  as he tried to beat a mail truck burglary/ robbery charge by "claiming that he was an addict " - He learned of the scam , then created his own scam- thru quite ironically a scam – he scammed the judge at his mail truck burglary/robbery trial.

I know there were worse places Che- like the boys home - in Mariana, Florida which has its own cemetery for the victims of that place. The White house boys saga – Yes and I sing for justice for Phil Williams, and there are how many boys buried in that cemetery? 

Though Che -for the life of me Elan is always so very fresh and in vivid detail – after all I am one of the ones that snapped because of the "program" - I got the special attention for that assault,  being the one made to feel the hatred to know the hate  - in a house of 25 people,  bthe prejudice continued thru all the houses until I left.   

It is not meant to be funny when I describe Elan as a Synanon on steroids. It was Elan – it was criminal.

It is good to have those years behind me- absolutely  - I look at the first 17 and 1/2 years of my life as literally being in the "program" due to the lunacy in my childhood – so I start all over at 17 1/2 to learn how to be the human being that I wanted to be and knew existed deep inside my very being – despite what Ricci and his henchmen wanted me to believe – or tried to convince me as to what I was -which was just a sick, sick person regardless of having gone thru their fraudulent "program twice" because I snapped due to their lunacy – naw man – It took until I was around 25 to get a handle and a focus- that "guitfiddle thing -and most certainly the good people I found on my path that assisted me -and sure I had to get competent assistance -

These years post Elan have allowed me to grow and study just what the hell had happened to me during the first 17 and half years of my life – To understand just exactly just what the heck Elan truly was.

And then it came time when if I didn't do the right thing and speak out, as timidly as I did at first, that it was surely going to kill me- 2000-I almost lost everything that I valued – so I had to speak out about a place that no one really knew about until 2000- and I have grown more focused and determined in my quest for justice.

Che I don't care why anyone uses their anonymity -  to speak out against their "perspective program"   I guess it is really an age thing and didn't think that "kids " would want to attack their parents incognito instead of their "program" because I know/ understand and see how the "program" twists and deceitfully defrauds parent of their monies at all cost, by playing off their innate parental fears.

My father had to lie to get me into Elan - and Elan knew that something was very wrong because Che- I was not 250 pounds and I was not 6' 5" tall as many witnesses said my father told Ricci – prior to being retrieved to be placed in that hell -hole.  Sure I understand dad was scared  of me because if you beat an animal continually eventually it will turn and bite you as it trys to get away – and that is how I was treated though I was only mabey 5' 4”and weighed 125 at the most back then. Dad swung at me to hurt and I ducked and proceeded to pick him up and threw him across a couch – and I told him in no uncertain terms that he could no longer beat me- in any fashion again. And he wanted the last laugh so he put me in Elan – though he had to lie to do it.     

Ricci knew something was very wrong - when he stood me up in a house meeting during my first full day- he turned to his boys- Gottlieb and Kruglik and asked them if this was the right guy. And they both sheepishly laughed and said yeah that's him.

So instead of doing the right thing, and taking my documented childhood abuse seriously and what I related had been happening to me as far back as I can remember  -  Joe ricci  took the insurance money instead - and then when I snapped  10 months later they blamed me for being the victim of my fathers sadism- that there were other children who had been abused and who the hell did I think I was – and not the fact/truth  that it was their program that was the sick problem.  They played my poor mother – because by that time  dad was free and clear once he got me in Elan  and boy my poor mother - I just told her about the exact nature of just what it was to be in Elan about four years ago. She said it gave her nightmares. Do I hold my mother in a bad light because of Elan – absolutely not.

I can understand that if a parent can't accept their child as who they are because the parent thinks that the child's very core being reflects badly upon them and then they put them in a program( because the program says they can do magic) to change that very being of the child  to where the parent thinks their child no longer reflects badly upon them, then I can certainly understand using anonymity for the very reason you stated – And quite frankly I don't  have an issue with anonymity -

I do however have a problem  when it is the program trolls/ former employees that used their many known puppets to try to silence the out spoken survivors of their perspective program as you are well aware of this happening on Fornits – and I don't see that occurring at all now,  like it did rampantly on Fornits about 5 years ago-when it was out of control.     

And Che as a parent my children know they are loved and what is so cool is that they love me – I guess I am lucky that I didn't succumb to the lunacy that the "program" tried to instill in me- that suicide was really an option because I was so sick. I am sure you remember me being reminded  of this by the former employees of Elan. Fun times indeed.

I am not trying to dominate the rap jack - I am just trying to seek justice the best and only way I know for the many that lay dead in the wake of Elan's legacy and the many former residents of Elan caused to have more problems than they had upon arriving at that horror show,  if I can further expose thru my ways and means this insidious industry by talking and writing about Elan - then I guess that is just a little extras bonus for all concerned.


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on December 19, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
What of the Elan Elite Crazy Crewe that was running wild on the forums several years ago? Whatever happened to those folks?
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 19, 2015, 10:09:44 PM
I don't know where those folks went Che -   I am glad that the lunacy went away when the rules of no attacking were enforced by the administrators  of this site - and quite frankly I am glad they are gone,  and they obviously weren't wanting justice for Elan survivors. 

I wonder if they were  in Elan - like the person who sent the fax to Angela of heal - If I remember you told the Elan  folks that it wasn't a former resident from Elan who sent that fax to Heal/ Angela  - It eventually made sense what you wrote and I think I know who sent that fax and you are right it wasn't a former resident from Elan.

Why? you don't want them back do you - lol. I am kidding of course. It was rather stunting to the cause.

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on December 20, 2015, 09:19:01 PM
got your email, unfortunately I deleted it on accident. Yes, I do know who sent the fax, not going to say though, what is done is done. The person who did it will never show contrition and quite possibly doesn't even recall doing it due to a degenerative condition of their mental faculties.

Such is life I guess.


I don't overly wish the Krazy Krewe would come back, to be honest, I'd prefer put most of fornits into archive and start with something new and more relevant to modern survivors. Though, if I had to choose, I'd take an Elan Krazy over a Hyde Krazy any ol' day. I never had an Elan Krazy call my Uncle's house and threaten him because he thought I hacked his computer, which is absurd, I barely know how to turn a computer on. I've been learning more of late, but that is more due to considering a midlife career change that is more conducive to my long term hearing degeneration, meaning, its hard to teach when you can't hear shit, not so hard to fix a computer when you can't hear well.

Take the lessons learned from fornits and apply them to a new venue. Use anonymity,  crowd sourcing, and the ingenuity of the users to put an absolute hurting on programs. I'm not a survivor of a program, I'll never know the anger you and Rivers of Shit.. Froddy know.

I do know the anger that comes from being a chump.

Yeah, I said chump.

Am I being hard on myself still all these years later? No, but I am being truthful. I was a complete chump for failing to be the sort of person I should have rather than falling in with what R. Lifton describes in his work that explains how good people end up doing bad shit once they become part of a group that promotes that sort of shit.

While Lifton does explain it quite well, it doesn't excuse it. It none the less makes fucking angry at times that young men and women are going to work for these places thinking they are going to help kids. They end up with a heavy heart and nightmares. I've spoken to a number of former program employees who had very little clue what the fuck they were getting into. They weren't survivors of the program, but kids hired after leaving university and needed a job. Stupid kids like I was when I was just out of college.

I'm angry that they get caught up and end up in situations they never would have ever guessed that'd they'd end up in.

Is it their fault?

That's not a complicated scenario imo, I believe we are all ultimately responsible for the evil we do. No areas of grey to be had, yet I do believe there are some people who I'd not hold it against so much as I would others. Some are easier to forgive, though they still need to balance the scales to be forgiven.

Anyway, I'm rambling. I gotta go hit the gym. Had a really bad weekend of classes, lot of problems. Shit happens, life goes on, got more classes this coming weekend, blah blah blah.

I read your email, it was a delight to read, and yes I know what you mean about teen agers.

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 20, 2015, 10:07:15 PM
right on Che - I don't think they will be coming back- moderation is key and the no attack policy is the way to be. 

- I think the crowd sourcing idea is fantastic.  I saw it on another site and thought- that is truly a good idea. I was surprised how it was just shirked off on another person - if one doesn't know how to do it and one is young enough- they can learn  - I am sure they would be able to figure it out - then I am sure there are many other issues as to why  it was shirked off - which I truly understand still it should be supported and I am sure some one can be found to put a face on that project, that would be a survivor.

I hope Fornits doesn't  get put into archive anytime  soon - there are some things that I would like to see play out- that I vigilantly pay attention to. - It is a great resource and as I schlepp thru the various websites/opportunities I find  that I post about Elan - it is nice to be able to link back to an active  Fornits .

Anyways I am tired just got back from doing a little shopping for the family and stuff - I thank you for letting a former resident of Elan post here, it was cool to be able to post the truth and  to clarify - I do have a record of speeding though nothing else in regards to any other serious  criminal record - Felice is right I don't have that much of an experience with the inside of a courtroom - And I do think if  properly prodded  the judicial system can work  for survivors. 

I am glad you understand what I meant and wrote about my "teen-ager " You know for the life of me I could never place my children in any program to do the work of parenting for me. And since I am not a sadist and I love my children - I know and believe that they are going to be fine- really no worries  - they are truly beautiful and amazing growing human  beings with so much to offer- though  at this  stage they  can be very  interesting - and keep me on my toes - as has been  said with out love in the dream -it will never come true.

Che if I don't hear from you, please  have a great holiday season and a excellent start to the new year. 

Froderik - you do the same and holler soon-  and for the other silent readers - y'all have a wonderful holiday season and an excellent start to the new year too.. Ajax if you are reading I hope to continue some of those discussions, the material is interesting and seems like Mr. Sanders has a notion about it also,  though because of the powers that be he hasn't a chance sadly  as  a snow storm happening  in hell.



Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 20, 2015, 11:24:39 PM
Che- didn't see the edit of your post until I had finished writing - and man I understand what you mean about folks that leave college need a job and get the bait and switch pulled on them as they get a job working for these places - thinking that they can make a difference with  at risk children -  and it gets most of  them all - I know who Lifton is- though one book I read recently was Philip Zimdardo's book" The Lucifer Effect".

It deals with the Stamford Prison Experiment, which was conducted by Mr. Zimbardo and compares and contrasts what was gleaned from the Stamford Prison Experiment, ( conducted in 1970) with   the Abu Graibi prison  in Iraq. The  prison in Iraq- which resulted in the issues of  severe degradation and out right torture of the prison inmates - Sadly only a few at the bottom of the chain of command  got in trouble when it should have caused heads to roll and prison terms for many of the rank and file.

Sure what guards  did was wrong but there were so many that should have been held accountable and not just the grunts who foolishly took the pictures - The Lucifer Effect -it is a great read. 

 And Che as a survivor I thank you for the words you wrote - it is not so much anger for me and I speak for myself, and please I hope no one is  confusing the notion of "seeking justice" with being angry.

It is the awe that I hold  for - Elan- that destroyed so many ,many lives and tore families apart the awe that I hold for Elan as it  how it was able to exist for so long and  the fact that many former residents of Elan  are dead - people I knew and people I didn't know but have confirmed the facts of their demise- is what drives me to seek justice,  people like Philip Williams ( who I didn't know ) , Tom Hassel , and I can go on and on with nanes that wouldn't mean a thing to anyone but they are dead in my opinion  from just having come in to contact with Joe Ricci , his program Elan and the untrained ,uneducated  miscreants  that worked there for him.

You know when I was being escorted up to Maine I actually had resigned my self to the fact that this might be a good situation for me-lol- where I would get competent assistance in dealing with  my  sadistic abusive up bringing - that I was going to get help that I needed  in dealing with the monster that was my primary caregiver - and the learned hopelessness that he  had schooled me in would be addressed( of course I was not knowledgeable as to just what "learned hopelessness was at the time - I just knew things were not right with in me- hindsight is 20 -20)  - I was incredibly and understandably a severely depressed child when I arrived at Elan.

It didn't take long for me to see  that this was very bad place, a bad place to say the least - That about a month  and some  after I got there. I figured that if Elan was the bootcamp of life as it billed itself  and all I had known was abuse growing up,  and all I was seeing at Elan was crazy sadistic  abuse that in my child like mind (  shoot I was a child  at 15 and a half years old ) I just figured and put 2 and 2 together that life must be nothing but just this  crazy sick abuse/pain that ( and I talked about this at that conference in 2001 ) I then  made the decision that if life was nothing but sickness/pain  then I didn't want to be part of it  anymore. 

I attempted suicide in Elan by drinking a bottle of qwell shampoo - a flea, tick  and lice poison - Maia Salavitz wrote about that incident  and what I related at that conference  in her book ,by the name called  Help At any Cost.

A friend  found me in convulsions, convulsing in my bloody vomit - I had bounced off my top bunk - of course now I am certainly glad I didn't succeed in that endeavor - lol- to say the least - though sadly  my friend who found me in convulsions that night  - sadly he did succeed in suicide about 8 years ago.

Che I wouldn't consider you a chump - I think you may have been bamboozled  and used  because I believe you really did want  to make a difference in at risk childrens lives and do so  in survivors lives to this day  - even if as you  say you aren't a survivor.  You care and folks can see it.

The Employees at Elan made life long careers out of serial criminal child abuse, and they made Ricci a millionaire ten times over and those are the bastards that are responsible - The folks that signed on and quit after a few months to 6 months- they were the ones that knew what Elan was doing was criminal/sick and they wanted no part because they realized that they couldn't make it a better place for the residents - because it truly was  a sick  fraudulent scam, a golden cash cow that many who had an interest in Elan  did everything possible to keep it from being slaughtered.

People like Morris Fink ,Ronnie Evans, Marc Rosenberg  are as culpable as the lifetime employees  of Elan and what is funny these miscreants can't even apologize for their actions nor can they simply return a phone call from an Elan survivor  because they are such cowards - and as much as honesty was part of Elan's spiel - these folks simply can't be honest as to the sickness they participated in and the harm/sadistic abuse   they had us do to each other. They were the adults.

Kruglik , Gottlieb , and Sharon Terry - the ones who made life long careers out of being serial child abusers to the nth degree and are alive today  simply need to go to prison -where they belong -  and it is something that is very possible - the ones that protected Elan as it operated  in my opinion as a continuing criminal enterprise for close to forty years in that state of Maine also need some alone time in prison - the wheels of justice turn very slowly  but they do turn.

Che the book by Phillip Zimbardo is a really good read - it doesn't explain though,  why former employees of Elan kept on abusing Elan survivors post their Elan experience, but I believe that to work at Elan you really had to be sick in the head and enjoyed being paid for being a child abusing sadist.

Again- thank you  Che for your words concerning survivors- (of really any program). For me in  particular it  means a lot because  no smoke is  being blown, and honesty goes very far in my book.








Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on December 21, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
Zimbardo nailed it dead on.

His work should be required reading for anyone working with vulnerable populations.

Reminds me of an event that happened back in the day, started as an experiment, ended up an embarrassment. A program decided they needed to bring down their level of restraints by forming a committee of administrators to meet every week for a review of restraints of the last week.

The program found that none of the admins wanted to press the supervisors too closely on the circumstances surrounding the restraints because in nearly all of the cases the staff had been in the wrong. They ended up never meeting again within a few weeks. Those sorts of staff should be rounded up and shot.

Joe ricci and his ilk have earned a place in hell, and I don't even really believe in hell. But if its there, I hope those cretins are toasting their chestnuts over a pool of flaming brimstone. Bastards the lot of them.

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Antigen on January 01, 2016, 11:13:56 AM

Kind of fried on doing anything decent for anyone. Found out a kid I donated 25 bucks to for getting him from Oregon to Mobile Alabama  opted to go back to the program he was dumped out of for turning 18. I understand why it happened, just sure as shit don't like it.

At least you know you helped give him some choice in the matter.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on January 02, 2016, 03:33:58 AM
Yeah, I spose.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on January 02, 2016, 06:45:02 PM
"Perhaps the best definition I have heard of evil is that it is the total absence of empathy. Only people or institutions who lack empathy can commit the individual and group atrocities we witness throughout the world every day."
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 06, 2016, 09:11:42 PM
Quick question - anyone and sorry  this is very off topic - how does one post a video on fornits so it opens up with the first frame of the video -  Froderik- Che -Antigen. I posted a short thing by a friend about Elan on the Elan section of this site   and it didn't post like how Felice or Froderik get theirs  to post - and Felice is not available at the moment.


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on January 07, 2016, 08:10:23 AM
Went to my favorite Chinese video site to get a link to show you  how its done and somehow ended up with this. (

Ohh lah lah...

Probably just virused the hell out of everyones computers, sweet, thank god I use linux, easy as hell to reinstall when I pick up virtual cooties.

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on January 07, 2016, 08:42:52 AM
Matt, I think it may be as simple as removing the "s" from https://whatever.etc.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 07, 2016, 11:30:01 AM
Thank you Froderik - it worked ... And thank you Che  for also trying to assist -   now back to our  topic Resuscitation- big smiles



Title: you know Frodrik -the wise
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 09, 2016, 09:14:28 PM
man you really make profound sense  -  than  at first when I read ( my problem amigo- soy  loco)  - How after a "gig" you have that/those  " down" times-  and you have to -absolutely -  just play------  as I think, and would say have" to re- validate" the fact that you can do that "stuff " on that instrument -  Man Brother Forderik  no truer nor wise words - when I really give it the thought that I think you meant - ( I hope you forgive me , I have no ides how to quote  feature here and it  may seem like I am cherry picking ( not ) .  brother I agree -  it  just hit me with  full impact of your words -( yeah I didn't get to ride any bus) -lol-

Wanna play a 1965 Gibson  melody maker D - its  got p90s (old old  90s ) instead of the original " lipperstickers" -  you may have  heard  that rode  in those things originally.   - Man I would really like to Jam - and you know why - Good as one might be you  still have to re- validate- I don't care who you are - validate  - after going few  days of not  playin- that -yeah man- that's what I can do with that thing -  and you know what------  its all groovy man .

Che man if you lose it totally( hearing)  - you can always feel the bass- the beat  - the lowest rumble and that aint no baloney ( no derogatory )  - reminds me of a story ..... 


Title: Re: you know Frodrik -the wise
Post by: Froderik on January 12, 2016, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Matt C. Hoffman
man you really make profound sense  -  than  at first when I read ( my problem amigo- soy  loco)  - How after a "gig" you have that/those  " down" times-  and you have to -absolutely -  just play------  as I think, and would say have" to re- validate" the fact that you can do that "stuff " on that instrument -  Man Brother Froderik  no truer nor wise words - when I really give it the thought that I think you meant - ( I hope you forgive me , I have no ideas how to quote  feature here and it  may seem like I am cherry picking ( not ) .  brother I agree -  it  just hit me with  full impact of your words -( yeah I didn't get to ride any bus) -lol-

Wanna play a 1965 Gibson  melody maker D - its  got p90s (old old  90s ) instead of the original " lipperstickers" -  you may have  heard  that rode  in those things originally.   - Man I would really like to Jam - and you know why - Good as one might be you  still have to re- validate- I don't care who you are - validate  - after going few  days of not  playin- that -yeah man- that's what I can do with that thing -  and you know what------  its all groovy man .

Che man if you lose it totally( hearing)  - you can always feel the bass- the beat  - the lowest rumble and that aint no baloney ( no derogatory )  - reminds me of a story ..... 



It's depressing when things plateau and get stagnant. My self-worth hinges on it a lot. Sometimes it's just a matter of picking up the guitar; occasionally something completely unanticipated will happen. Learning and adding new material to keep the repertoire fresh also helps. I wish I could remember what I wrote to you a couple weeks ago in that PM; it was something insightful, if memory serves. :D (Maybe we could resume via email, since the PMs here don't always work?) I would absolutely love to play that Gibson sometime! Nothing like the old single-coil P90 sound. I look forward to it. tty soon.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 13, 2016, 11:23:25 AM
I understand the language you are using - I work thru plateau s , and it does suck when you feel like there is stagnation- for me that is doesn't happen as much as say when I was younger - the plateau-s seemed higher and harder to traverse so to speak- as one constantly is learning  their instrument - I think back to my first 6 months just trying to master the d to a c thing and g thing - but now its not even a thought it just happens effortlessly thinking back then will I ever get it- god my fingers hurt - and the like ... 

Maybe  it is because  I know so many songs and when I work thru my stuff as I am always practicing I work thru 10 15 songs at a time - the repertoire is always changing the way even the way  I play songs is really never really the same though , I do have a very good sense of meter and beat  and time etc which is important - lol not to sound like I am all over the place   and then that one - as I think wow I have not  played that one in a while  -

 I find that songs tend to grow in you when you don't play that particular song in a while  - it is almost like they mature or if you will in you when you haven't played that one in a while and you dig that cherished nugget back up- I notice it -  as you play a song that has not been played in a while as you bring it back to life ( there is that  it is alive thing again -lol you resurrect that song  ) you hear a different way to play it and you hear as you play it how it has grown and that feeling is a life giving gift/force . 

 you understand-  I reckon - I trust- I hope - my younger bro-homind  talks about  your band - not gonna mention - wouldn't be prudent - though he does and it is cool. You touched him thru your music - tis  very cool man.     

Heck man I don't want to post my e mail here - lol- and why not Matt?  big smiles - Froderik there are many that have it and since the messaging thing doesn't  work so well - shoot anyone who has it is welcome to shoot it to you -  - I don't know if you are telling me to shut up - which I doubt or you want to take this private which maybe everyone else reading would like - I don't know you are welcome to e mail me man - feel free.

And lets stop talking- (like that is going to happen  )  about music and just  jam - seriously.

It does a body and soul good  ......and the beat goes on .


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on January 16, 2016, 08:17:22 PM
I'm more of a classical music listener, though the old power ballads of the 1980s rocker era has a special place in my heart due to a misspent youth.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on January 20, 2016, 08:43:07 AM
Matt i don't mind if we do most of our talking out here in the open, not at all, but PM me your email when you get a chance, for sake of working out logistics and the like. No rush, though. And yeah, you're absolutely right, we can talk all day, but talk is cheap. Better we should shut up and play our guitars, for knowing how to talk about playing music will only get us so far. :D Tell your bro hello for me, and that I'm glad he enjoyed the show(s) way back when. I'd like to hear more from him about it sometime.

Che, I love listening to classical, baroque and renaissance music (as well as some contemporary music, like you mention). So many composers, so little time; there's a ton of it on youtube, as you are probably well aware...

ps: It seems like the forum might be running better now, after the server maintenance.
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 20, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
 Froderik -I sent you a message thru fornits pm - didn't seem to log it either - shoot -shot hope it makes it- it would suck if it didn't .

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Che Gookin on January 21, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
You know what I find absolutely shocking?

The cost of dying. I mean damn, you up and croak and your family has to spend how much to plant your ass in the ground? I did a bing search, google is blocked in Soviet China, and found that a plain pine box cost 400 bucks. 400 bucks for a pine box that has rope handles?


Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Froderik on January 22, 2016, 04:52:01 PM
You know what I find absolutely shocking?

The cost of dying. I mean damn, you up and croak and your family has to spend how much to plant your ass in the ground? I did a bing search, google is blocked in Soviet China, and found that a plain pine box cost 400 bucks. 400 bucks for a pine box that has rope handles?


I could tell you some stories of when I used to sell cemetery property. Attempting to sell people gravesites is a pretty stiff proposition, and I didn't sell much. The people who worked there were characters.

"I hope to hell that when I do die somebody has the sense to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody."
-J.D. Salinger
Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 07, 2019, 07:18:06 AM
like the topic said Resuscitation- 

Title: Re: Resuscitation
Post by: psy on August 03, 2019, 03:57:37 PM
I added a board for migrant detention. I'm not sure anybody will read it, but I will be posting articles I come across about abuse in migrant detention facilities.