On 2002-07-08 16:49:00, Publisher wrote:
Until the anonymous posters reveal themselves with real names/...they are cowards and probably, in my opinion, staff or lawyers for Elan...
My guess is that these folks are just true believers who've so internalized the Program and so thoroughly identified with the cult that they perceive any criticism of the cult as a personal attack.
Then there are those who have something to hide, who would be horribly ashamed of what they've done to others and how they've debased themselves if they lost the illusion of the cause worty of any means.
Check this out,Dan: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.phtml4 ... forum=8&50 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.phtml4?topic=402&forum=8&50)
About page 2, one of my brothers jumps in. More communication than I've gotten out of him in any one of the past 20 years. A little later, another one of my brothers jumps in as escaper. Both these guys have been away from the Program for nearly 3 decades. The shit is powerful stuff for some people. Way more intoxicating than any drug.
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2002-07-08 21:08 ]
Dan
You simply cannot adress a former Elan resident without a "problem" or veiw like your own, minus a label can you?
Reality is my freind, hundreds of Elan "kids" are out there now living normal productive lives. These people frighten you and threaten your worthless cause.
Many people dislike you Dan, MANY! and there is no label, title, or category you can give them that can change this. You are a liar, and an opportunist who thrives on support for your feelings of hate for Joe Ricci.
If you had a shred of decency, or even a hint of reality, you would understand and appreciate that there are a majority of people who went through Elan who have no desire to reflect on the experience, no need to anylize it, and far more productive things to do with their time. But at this point, you categorize them, you label them, and you tell them "if theres nothing wrong with you as a result of Elan, your in denial" WHO ARE YOU to judge based on what indirect experience you have with Elan?? The ONLY people you have "interveiwed" are FAILURES...the ONLY thing you know about Elan is what people who not only failed Elan, but fail as a member of society in one way or another.
If my own child had the problems I had, and put me through the shit I put my family, and my teachers, my neighbors and the police through, I cant say I would send them to Elan without hesitation, and a 100% effort to find a different way...but knowing what I got out of Elan, I would be lead in that direction. And theres no "appologist" aire there Dan, just a REAL kid, with REAL problems.
Elan didnt CREATE problems for people who need your help to fix them, it may have enhanced problems for kids, but your speaking to ADULTS dan with adult problems...Elan isnt an issue for them or anyone else but YOU anymore.
Get over it. Go away and leave these people alone, or interveiw EVERYONE who went to Elan, and share their overwhelming veiw that Elan did more good than harm, but both aspects couldnt be further form their minds.
Live your life looking behind you for the shit you stepped in Dan, and your bound to walk through another pile.
So Dan your wife is Sharon Terry?I remember her when I was at Elan.She was a corrupt old crusty "Been around the block with Joe Ricci, several times" whore.
She might not have participated in general meetings but she contributed corptness and covered up alot of bullshit that went on up there.
Dan did you know your wife slepted with Joe Ricci?They couldn't keep their hands off each other.So Dan the question I have for you is, How does it feel when you kiss your wife you taste what another man had for lunch?Or better yet, a corpse?
Your wife named the book "A duck in a rain coat". Do you know why?Do you know what it means?What it really means?
The duck was your wife.The rain coat was what she wore with joe during sex.Joe would shoot loads all over her and stain her cheap skirts so she wore a rain coat so Joe's loads wouldn't stain her anymore when she sucked him off
Jesus Christ Anon, you just showed the true teachings of Elan in your last post. Anyone who feels the need to spew that kind of venom at, not the person they are disagreeing with, but a family member of theirs is truly fucked up!!!! Sorry, but that kind of anger can come from only one kind of place...a Synanon/Straight/Elan type of program. Attack the person (or in this case his wife) because you have no "real" comeback for what he's said. If you truly had a great experience at Elan and feel that you really got a lot out of it and it improved your life, great...but there are a LARGE number of people whom it virtually destroyed...they have earned the right to bitch about it...even 20 years later because it's that insidious that it affects people 20 years down the road. You think Elan was great? Fine, write about that all you want, but DON'T tell the rest of us that we just need to get over it and realize that it was what we needed. I find it UNFORGIVEABLE that you would even CONSIDER subjecting your children to such humiliation, degredation, brainwashing and abuse... but then again, you're STILL brainwashed into believing that it was a 'good place' for anyone. Healthy people can disagree without launching a personal attack on the other party and, as I stated at the beginning of this post, you just showed what you learned from Elan...you learned WELL. You really do know how to hit below the belt, like they do, attack ANY criticism or sideways glance, like they do, and truly try and degrade another human being, like they do. Congratulations...you've "Graduated" and proved to all of us who had any doubt about what Elan can "do for" someone that it really is nothing more than an abusive money making machine for the wealthy to drop their kids off to be "fixed"...thanks for the enlightenment.