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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Oppositional Defiance on March 28, 2005, 03:06:00 PM
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Is anybody here familiar at all with the Hyde Schools in Bath, Maine and Woodstock, Connecticut? I went to the school in Woodstock. That place was fucking insane. I haven't found anything on it yet so people now's your chance to speak up about it and maybe we can get some of this stuff off our chests.
Thanks
O-P-P
(Yeah, you know me)
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There is a long thread here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=469&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=469&forum=9)
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I agree with your assesment although Hyde never
QUITE reaches the level of abuse of most of the
programs disscussed on these boards (i.e. it's
not a lockdown facility). I was there for about
5 months in 1976 and ran away in January '77.
I was in Bath as there was no campus in Conn.
in those days. BTW I don't recommend hitchhiking
from Maine to Long Island in January. :scared:
Anyway do they still make people dig 6'x6'x6'
holes and fill them back in again over and over,
scrub floors with toothbrushes, ect. ? I also
remember a bit o' fun and games called "shadow"
in which a kid is required to follow a senior
around forbidden to talk to anyone and otherwise
very publicly not exist.
My info is 29 years old so I'd love to hear
about some of the more current practices.
Thanks,
TommyThe Internet is now safe for free speech.
-- Christopher A. Hansen on the overturning of the Communications Decency Act
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While we're on the topic of Hyde...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/custom ... e&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0743210581/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/103-7422874-6390223?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=507846)
Peace,
TommyThe mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch
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On 2005-04-03 17:29:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
" While we're on the topic of Hyde...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/custom ... e&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0743210581/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/103-7422874-6390223?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=507846)
Peace,
TommyThe mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch
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Why not write a review?
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Hyde... the "Cadillac" of turnaround schools. Yeah, they still make students shadow eachother, they still fuck around with people for no good reason and put them on 2-4 for having "bad attitudes" and they still manage to suck the fun out of every human activity under the sun. The academics is still shit, the good teachers leave as soon as they get in the door once they see what's going on in the place; the only teachers that stick around are the people who do it for a fucking paycheck or the ones who are dumb and sadistic enough to "buy in". The place is run like communist Russia, and those who cause too much trouble get sent to "outpost" or Redcliff. I would like to have another forum, one for Hyde. Any takers?
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On 2005-04-05 10:20:00, Oppositional Defiance wrote:
"those who cause too much trouble get sent to "outpost" or Redcliff."
Is there some tie-up, financial or otherwise, between Hyde and RedCliff Ascent? I see Hyde is advertized on the RedCliff website as a "Traditional Boarding School".
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I see Hyde is advertized on the RedCliff website as a "Traditional Boarding School"."
Anon, Hyde gets away with the "traditional
boarding school" business because they've been
clever about mixing "non-gulag" kids into their
student body. First, faculty members are required
to enroll their high school-age kids at Hyde.
Second, Hyde recruits talented jocks from the
ghetto with promises of an education at an "elite
prep school". These first two groups attend Hyde
at no charge as "scholarship" students. Third,
parents of the more traditional gulag school kids
are expected to send ALL of their high school-age
kids to Hyde - at full price of course.
These three groups taken together slightly outnumber
the gulag school kids and tend to be the enforcers.
Hope that clears up any confusion on the "prep
school" issue.
OD, I'd like to see a Hyde board too. Haven't
proposed it because until you started posting I
didn't see all that many Hyde people on Fornits
and most of those seemed only to post once.Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones
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Yes, I knew that. You have mentioned it before, hence the quotes. I was more interested about the connection with RedCliff Ascent. I think RedCliff would have been after your time. Perhaps OD knows?
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As far as the connection between Hyde and Redcliff Ascent goes, most likely they are NOT under the same management, however they DO appear to have a very strong business relationship. 90% of people I knew when I was there who came to Hyde from a wilderness/reform/brainwashing camp came there from Redcliff Ascent. Likewise, children who got on 2-4 too much were _always_ sent to Redcliff as a last resort. Usually they would be sent to outpost first, which is within the Hyde business and keeps the money in the same pool, but after outpost they would be sent to Redcliff. I have never been to Outpost, but from what people have told me the 7 day excursion consists of a very heavy exercise regimen, strict discipline, and physical labor. Redcliff, of course, lasts for at least 2 months and is a deathmarch through the Utah desert. Escorts would come to Hyde and surprise the kids, usually while they were being held in Dean's Area, cuff them and haul them off. Speaking of Dean's Area, in order to obtain more confessions, they would put a kid in a classroom with the heater turned all the way up and leave them there at a desk with a sheet of paper and a pencil. They had to write down everything they knew, not only about what "ethics" they had personally broken, but ethics their friends had broken, ethics they have heard secondhand about being broken from other people, and even rumors about ethic breaking. If there were things that the student hadn't written down yet, or even if it was _suspected_ that the kid still had more to spill, the dean or dean assistant would give them back the paper and leave them in the room for a few more hours, or put heavy pressure on them, or use intimidation, until they had extracted what they wanted to see written down. One time I was sent on 2-4 because my SONOFABITCH "friend" Rob Ebling ratted out to Dean's Area that I told him that I knew that Jesse Wang had cigarrettes. This was during a "bust". During a bust sometimes half the fucking school would be on 2-4. I say we get our own forum for Hyde School. This could be very useful in taking down Hyde, as it still exists.
OD
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OD, hate to sound like a moron but are Redcliff
Ascent and CEDU Ascent two different companies?Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.
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BTW, if there was a Hyde board would it be more
likely to show up on a Google search for "Hyde School"?
When I search for it I don't see Fornits at all.Given the choice between dancing pigs and security, people will choose dancing pigs every time.
-- Ed Felton (quoted in www-security about Active-X)
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Hyde School (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=6&19)
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On 2005-04-07 09:02:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
"OD, hate to sound like a moron but are Redcliff
Ascent and CEDU Ascent two different companies?
Redcliff Ascent and CEDU are completely different. CEDU's ASCENT program has nothing to do with redcliff, although from the gist of what I got from my peers who had been there, at least they didn't brainwash the kids too bad there, I think. No such luck at Cedu's ASCENT, where I was sent. Oh well...
Also, I haven't been able to find a Hyde board on the internet, and I surmise that there is no Hyde board. It would help tremendously to have a Hyde forum here, as this site deals with ALL coercive thought reform adolescent programs, and Hyde refugees and posters to other forums alike will benefit from the solidarity in bringing this industry to its knees and getting a little "accountability" for these sons of bitches.
Hoo-Yah!
SEMPER FI!!!!
OD
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OD, on the thread linked above, I said that 2-4
lasted for months and a pro-Hyde poster said I
was full of it. Seems like "outpost" and the
relationship with Redcliff has changed what 2-4
is all about since I was there in '76. When I was
there one was put on 2-4 for about a month and
then was moved to a modified work crew called
"am-pm". This meant that you did work crew from
I think 5am till breakfast, went to classes and
stuff, then did work crew again till lights out
around 10 or 11. That DID last for months. Also,
if someone wasn't working out at Hyde the usual
outcome was for the kid to simply run away, we
usually had a runner every couple of weeks. When
that happened, Hyde simply told your parents to
throw you out of the house. Sounds like the
"escorts" show up before it gets to that point
these days. This "Dean's Area" business is also
new to me BTW.
Thanks for clearing up the difference between the
two Ascents BTW. The similar names had me confused. :smile:
Could you tell what you know about "outpost" as
Hyde didn't have that in '76?
Thanks,
TommyMay your days be joyfully challenging and your words artfully true
-- Ginger Warbis SMA, `00
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OD, I think we got us a "Hyde Schools" board now!
Scroll down and look for it.Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
[ This Message was edited by: tommyfromhyde1 on 2005-04-08 17:37 ]
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i go to hdye now. i am a first year student here. there is a new anti hyde site by the students who get kicked out. the school is really fucked up. i'm in the conn one. :cry2:
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On 2005-05-21 06:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is a new anti hyde site by the students who get kicked out."
Where?
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On 2005-05-23 02:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-05-21 06:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is a new anti hyde site by the students who get kicked out."
Where?"
I tried to go to it to post the link and just got
a message saying "this website has been cancelled"
What's up with that? Here's the message:
http://www.antihydeonline.coolbuild.com ... 005483.htm (http://www.antihydeonline.coolbuild.com/page/page/2005483.htm)I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
* - ~ Galt's Creed ~ - *
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I go to Hyde in Maine now, and yes they still have all of those things. I've been on shadow numerous times, workcrew, 5:30's....and of course scrubing floors with toothbrushes. But I wouldnt change my experiences there for the world. I love Hyde and I'm going to graduate from here in the year 2008!!!
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My site isnt as good as the last but it should be okay when its done. email me your hyde stories if you want me to put them on. you dont need your name on it unless you want otherwise. help make it better PLZ.
http://larry61122.tripod.com/ (http://larry61122.tripod.com/)
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Love the "real five words". That's a good start.
:lol:
check your PMs
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
[ This Message was edited by: tommyfromhyde1 on 2005-06-04 11:03 ]
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Does anyone know anything about Hyde in DC? it's a day school, and their websites says nothing about being a reformatory or anything like that, but it does say it is associated w/ Bath and other school. What exactly goes on there??
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Don't know anything about Hyde DC except what's
on Hyde's website but I'll bet you dollars to
donuts it has something to do with Joe Gauld's
obsession with sports. I know Gauld likes to
recruit talented jocks from the ghetto for his
boarding schools with promises of an education
at an "elite prep school". Where better for a
farm team then DC?Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause.
--George Washington, Revolutionary War General and U.S. President
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screw hyde!
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Actually, I just graduated from hyde in may, 2005 in woodstock...it sounds like maybe i know a couple of you.
In response to the person who was ratted out by your friend rob ebling, he was killed in a car crash 2 days ago. I thought you might want to know.
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Yes, please advise when and where you will start a website for Hyde! We need to help get the word out so parents are not misled by their consultants or the school itself!! I remember when I tried to research Hyde, I could not find anything online other than their own website!! I know of many others who will join your website if given the opportunity including former parents, students and even teachers who had the smarts to leave!
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Oh dear!! Is this the Ebling whose parents were very involved at the school in Woodstock? How sad!! I remember the dad being a really nice guy and taking over as fundraising chair till he caught onto the scam!
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On 2005-09-09 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes, please advise when and where you will start a website for Hyde! We need to help get the word out so parents are not misled by their consultants or the school itself!! I remember when I tried to research Hyde, I could not find anything online other than their own website!! I know of many others who will join your website if given the opportunity including former parents, students and even teachers who had the smarts to leave!"
Sad to say, that site is no more. Hyde found out
who Larry is and made him take it down (he's still
a Hyde student).I am married, not Buried !
-- Steve Webb