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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sugar and Flower
« on: July 01, 2001, 10:16:32 PM »
Re: sugar
In the case of abusive rehab programs, I think the reason is to reduce distraction. These programs replace a  persons dependency on a drug with dependency on the program, therefore not being able to turn to sugar or other things to quell your cravings makes you more likely to accept the programming.

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692


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How will we know if laws banning these programs won't work if we don't try? Laws are certainly not the only solution or the best solution, but it was stupid laws like the age of majority system and institutionalized childhood that got our society into this mess, so perhaps some well thought out legislation can get us out.


Educational intitiatives will certainly be needed as well, teens need to know their rights, and parents and teens need to be aware of the dangerous scams and cults claiming to be adolescent mental health services. We need to keep track of the bad programs and try to shut them down, and we need to work with the good programs to make sure they stay that way.


In regards to enforcing existing laws, we should try to get the penalties raised for institutional abuse, and the statute of limitations extended.  

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Augusta, Gone
« on: July 02, 2001, 02:26:15 AM »
Re: more thoughts on the same
Well just so you know MDMA, or ecstasy is not actually dangerous in and of itself. The dangers are related to the adulterants potentially mixed into the pill or the very real possibility that it is not MDMA at all and instead it may be Amphetamine, GHB, Rohypnol, ketamine, or any other drug that can be made into pill form. If people are careful about drinking enough water, and testing their pills with the simple test kits available, then it is a pretty safe drug. The risks inherent to MDMA are about the same as the risks for other soft drugs like LSD and Marijuana, mainly as long as you don't try to operate heavy machinery and you keep yourself in a safe place you are ok. I have never done Ecstasy but, I go to a lot of clubs and raves. Most deaths attributed to ecstasy are either bullshit claims made by talking heads and drug war zealots, as in the case where Florida officials reported over 100 deaths from MDMA, when in reality all but 20 of those did not even have MDMA in their system and most of that small group died from other things while on Ecstasy, like car crashes and adulterants.



If I were a parent and my kid was addicted to drugs, I would get him help but, I don't think I would do anything residential and I think I would put my money to good use by hiring an addiction specialist or a psychologist to help him, rather than giving vast sums of money to some cult-like group awareness program.  


  I do not anticipate this to be much of a problem, because despite what the press would have you believe, most drug users are not addicted, especially teenage users, since they generally don't do addictive drugs. Secondly, most teens follow the patterns of their parents or adults around them, teens who drink heavily usually have parents who drink, my parents almost never drink, and I almost never drink, the same goes for smoking and probably most other drugs.  It seems like almost every teen and adult in my area either smokes pot or drinks but, I only know 2 or 3 people who have ever tried cocaine.  

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Death at Kids boot camp
« on: July 01, 2001, 04:01:42 AM »
Death at Kids boot camp
That is perhaps one of the saddest parts about these things. You can't just blame these junior staff for everything, afterall most of them went through the same thing, they are as much victims of these programs as the current captives. The blame falls on the individual junior staffers while the real evil, the program operators and senior staff never even stand trial. Investigators and prosecuters need to understand that they cannot place blame on the individual junior staff because the junior staff in order to gain their position, have long since surrendered their individuality. Kids in these programs have killed to attract attention to their plight, preferring life in prison to another day in one of these places.


They really are cults, I came agree with this conclusion after searching for a good way to explain to people who had never heard about them, how these places operate without spending an hour trying to define it. They are cults, they preach 'agreement' (obedience), and they believe that they are the only ones who can save the children. Whether or not these places are claiming to be based on a particular faith or secular, they are cults, the program is the religion, blind obedience is the only mitzvah and thinking for yourself is the deadliest sin. The unforgivables include leaving the program and speaking out about the abuses.


What can be done to stop these people? They recognize no laws, no authority beyond their own. They tolerate regulation because they just violate the laws until they get caught, then they claim they did not know about the law or their lawyer told them it did not apply to them, or they just tie it up in court and get the program parents to file suit as well, so it makes the government look bad. Even when they lose, they win, the operators are never convicted of anything, even when the facility is shut down, they just flee the state, and set up shop somewhere else.


I had never really given those "faith based initiatives" of W much thought, until lately when I began reading about places in Florida and Texas that have successfully set up shop and avoided regulation under church based self-accreditation systems, that were made legal in the states governed by the BUSH brothers. What a great system, instead of government regulators, trained in social work and mental health, we get to have a convention of Soul Torturers decide their own rules. Did you know that in Florida, these cult gulag schools cannot be inspected by child and health authorities because they have self-accreditation and are not under their jurisdiction. They could be killing people in there and no one would know except the parents who probably would not even care, afterall they hardly care when their kids get mind-raped.  

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / I like to beat dead horses!
« on: July 01, 2001, 02:25:21 PM »
Re: I like to beat dead horses!
Yeah I don't think they have cleaned up their act much. Isn't that the place where that cousin of the Kennedys confessed to killing a girl in a 70's?


"Do you know a private school where 80% of the students develop post traumatic stress disorder?"


Answer:

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692


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