Post by: Anonymous on March 24, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv-reviews/t ... 86255.html (http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv-reviews/the-cutting-edge-tranquility-bay/2006/03/13/1142098386255.html)
Has been released for download online via Bittorrent here...
http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269 (http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269)
Post by: Jeff_Berryman on March 25, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
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Post by: 001010 on March 25, 2006, 05:07:00 PM
Too bad P.U.R.E. got any publicity out of the deal...
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Post by: MomCat on March 25, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: BuzzKill on March 25, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
Post by: 001010 on March 26, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
The second half talks about her trial against WWASPS. You'd have to see and judge for yourself. The end of the film was her winning in court. It was enough to annoy anyone who has a clue as to what Sue & PURE are really about. It didn't make her out to be some hero, though. She was just a mother who spoke out and won. PURE was a brief mention, but it was still a jab.
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Momcat wrote: 10 hours!!! Any way to save it and post is somehow?
You have to download it, and actually, now that I added, it took more like 17 hours.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
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It's a federal criminal offense to download films in this manner. It is no different from downloading music.
TranslationBot 9000: I'm a programmie, and I don't want anyone watching this.
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Post by: CCM girl 1989 on March 27, 2006, 11:28:00 AM
Scratching my head here!
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on March 27, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
This is something else! They get it! Yes, Tranquility bay is not exactly line of sight accross the bay from Guantanamo. But, philisophically, it sure as hell is. Watch this video, take note of who Robert Browning Litchfield's political and business affiliates are. Those are the mother fuckers making war and torturing pows in our name. Now watch the Northwoods-9/11 stuff again. Makes a little more sense, doesn't it? Once you understand that these sadistic lunatics pay big bucks to have their own children reprogrammed by means of physical and psychological torture. What is a person who's capable of that not capable of doing? Answer: not a god damned thing, brothers and sisters, not a thing. They believe they're saving the world, just like they say they do.
The only difference between these people and David Koresh is a matter of degrees of success. While Koresh camped his followers out in isolation and in opposition to government, these sadistic lunatics have positioned themselves within the government.
So, if they'll support and affiliate with the likes of Bob Litchfield, what other religious crack pots may be calling the shots at the highest levels of our government?
Jeb Büsh established a Character First! charter school in So. Florida and then appointed a very well known, vocal Gothardite to head Florida CYS.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/gothard/gothard1.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/gothard/gothard1.html)
You think this turkey is going to do anything to make the Florida boot camps any less abusive? Why would he? He doesn't see a damned thing wrong with what they do there. So, they kill a kid every now and then. Can't win `em all. Most of them would die anyway, right children?
And, not surprisingly, the Gothard cult is camped out in the Cincinnati area too. That's where Straight, KHK and now Pathway Family Center have been running a thought reform program out of the back of a Public Storage warehouse for over 20 years.
http://www.topix.net/content/cj/11210883347250724732 (http://www.topix.net/content/cj/11210883347250724732)
The governor of that state is so cozy with Drug Free America Foundation (fka Straight, Inc.) it's practicaly obscene. Here's just one glimpse into that sick, incestuous relationship:
http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/Forbes/ohio/ (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/Forbes/ohio/)
But wait! There's more! (there's always more)
The coronation of Reverend Moon on Capitol Hill, March 23, 2004
http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/ (http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/)
If you think the above picture is just.... silly, strange, don't know what to make of it and you don't have time to figure it out, think again please! I know, it's fucking terrifying to even consider what all this means, isn't it? Well I've been scared for years. Your turn. Because I sleep better and better every night as more people join me in realizing wtf is going on here.
How can we get this thing out on American television?
Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Scheff ain't no hero except in the eyes of maybe herself and her legion of followers aka PURE VOLUNTEERS.
How many kids did SHE refer to WWASPS programs like the ones featured in this documentary? Oh, that's right .. it was all a big mistake ... she was duped into making dozens (maybe even as many as a hundred) referrals into WWASPS gulags before her daughter's own experience convinced her that something was wrong with this picture?
If this wasn't so tragic, I'd be laughing my ass off at the sheer absurdity of it all.
Come on folks, history is repeating itself here, and no one gets it, not even the French. This is a 40 year saga of abuse, American style.
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
WORSE YET, she continued to send parents to Whitmore Academy about the abusive Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with 7 counts against 4 different children.
And even WORSE, she actively involves herself in the Sudweeks legal endeavors to fight these criminal charges of abuse?
And Scheff dares to criticizie WWASP or anyone else? She makes me sick.
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 06:43:00 PM
But, the program pays her. That's why she does it.
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
If nothing else, send these guys an email outlining the charges against the WHITMORE owners and explaining how they (the parent) came to hear of the program and place their child in their care.
Might open their eyes up to the lucrative and UNREGULATED sub-cottage business of program referrals especially when they find out WWASPS isn't the only program who pays for referrals that result in a placement.
Somewhere on Fornits, there was a post from a student (or maybe it was a parent?) that put an estimated number on how much they thought PURE was paid by the WHITMORE for placements. I don't remember the amount but I believe it was several thousand dollars, per kid.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
Subject: Re: Documentary exposing WWASP
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:49 AM
Hi ,
After giving it a second thought, and since I'm not up-to-date as to the current status between WWASP and the production company and distribution of this title in the USA. I'd rather you direct your request directly to them. Here is their
email: [email protected]
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
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On 2006-03-27 18:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Here's the email address for the French company that made the film:
Subject: Re: Documentary exposing WWASP
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:49 AM
Hi ,
After giving it a second thought, and since I'm not up-to-date as to the current status between WWASP and the production company and distribution of this title in the USA. I'd rather you direct your request directly to them. Here is their
email: [email protected] "
HOLD ON .. ZADIGPRODUCTIONS.COM looks like French internet domain hosting service ...
BUZZKILL .. is this the right email address?
T.I.A.
Post by: BuzzKill on March 27, 2006, 10:59:00 PM
Its copied directly as given.
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: 001010 on March 28, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
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On 2006-03-28 11:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's really doesn't talk at all about the Discovery Seminars and where they were derived from, which I wish it had. People really need to get how brainwashing works. The film just doesn't get that close to the subject and history of David Gilcrease or Landmark, which explains a lot of the psychological manipulation of the programs."
That was me...
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Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2006, 02:47:00 PM
I was very much impressed w/ the undercover video of the aunt trying to take her niece out of TB. I don't know that a general audience would get the full impact of that scene and all the subtle details that make it. But perhaps they'll see it w/ a friend who can explain it to them, or will be compelled to take a stab at it when their friend asks them what's so upsetting about that particular scene.
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Post by: 001010 on March 28, 2006, 03:20:00 PM
One hour is a short amount of time to do what they did, and they utilized it extremely well. Perhaps they are in need of a part II?
Peace out ~ :wave:
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Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
I agree with you that the brainwashing aspect is the most insidious, most dangerous part of the whole thing.
And that goes to one of few criticisms I have for the way they frame the issue. It was only a tiny bit less anti-American than I had expected. I worry that people on both sides of the Atlantic will come away with the impression that we all are in on this, that we all approve and are complicit in the coverup. Nothing could be further from the truth. In a very real sense, the whole damned country is brainwashed. As we all well know, condemnation, punishment and other forms of coercion are just not the answer to that problem. That would be like throwing gas on the fire; it'll only cause the believers to circle their waggons and revel in their perceived martyrdom.
America needs to see this documentary. America damned sure has plenty to answer for. But not the crime of complicity; more like negligence.
As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.
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Post by: BuzzKill on March 28, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
Seems to me the American Media might be just as intetested in the first amendment issues involved as with the documentary itsself.
Might be just the hook we need.
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
Second, it must be noted that until it's illegal for parents to kidnap their kids and ship them out the country, there is nothing to stop parents for excercising their PARENTAL RIGHTS to raise their kids any way (and anywhere) they choose, as long as it's legal.
Those who disagree are forced to go to court and persuade a judge to remove a kid based primarily on custody disagreements and/or disputes as to whether a child is at risk of maltreatment due to an existing medical condition, etc.
Frankly, I think the documentary should be seen in the U.S. but don't have high hopes we'll see the kind of outrage generated by other nations. You have to remember, this is America where kids as young as 12-13 years old can be tried in adult court and sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON WITH NO POSSIBILTY OF PAROLE. That is barbaric.
Only last year did the supreme court rule against the practice of executing people who committed their crimes while still a juvenile.
The problem is systemic. It's how we look at children who can not (or will not) behave in accordance to society's rules. Those who come in contact with the justice system are disposed of while others who have committed no crime but back talk their parents, have sex, drink, etc., are disposed of into these programs.
THROWAWAY KIDS. Not illegal ... just immmoral.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 02:57:00 AM
"It's a federal criminal offense to download films in this manner."
It is if the copyright holder decides it is.
Either way the majority of the world's internet traffic now consists of Bittorrent transfers. Illegal or not this is the norm.
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 05:46:00 AM
Any thoughts or ideas?
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
d0x
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on March 30, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
Thank you!
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
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On 2006-03-30 05:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah here's an idea... there's no such thing as a resized, reencoded and coverted-to-wmv-half-the-size of the original 2-pass xvid that is the same quality as the original.
d0x"
you may be right but its very close.
it is 320x240 by 364kps and it was created for the world to see easier than bittorret and a smaller size so more can download
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on March 30, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 08:03:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
"That's it!!!! I am going to start screaming!!!! I downloaded the DivX thingymabob.........and as you all know by now I am not a computer genious.......can someone please PM me, and get me through this?!!! Or on here, I don't care?!!
Thank you!"
To download the video all you need is http://www.uTorrent.com (http://www.uTorrent.com) - load the little torrent file from the website and leave it running.
If you dont get a little green circle at the bottom of the program screen google "utorrent port forwarding" for instructions on how to open up a port on your firewall/modem to allow it to run properly.
Once your download has completed just get the http://www.videolan.org (http://www.videolan.org) player to watch it.
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on March 30, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: 69 on March 30, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
I thought the movie was excellent. It is definitely the best piece of media I would show somebody knew to the topic of abusive programs. I just watched it with my roomate and I could see it helped her understand my own story. When the guy went back to Spring Creek and filming the kids there in the woods, I said, "that's where I was", and my roomate was surprised... maybe she thought it was more like a summer camp or something. Showing the kids lined up, and the looks on their defeated faces really helps understand how terrible it is to be locked up at one of these prison camps.
The other interesting part for me was the interviews with the staff. Randal Hilton was insane... can you imagine, a parent paying this guy thousands of dollars a month to watch their kid!! Lichfield seems downright evil... when they start spouting off how they save teens, the look on their face suggests they know otherwise.
Every parent thinking about sending their kid to WWASP (or any similar program) needs to see this DVD.
I am going to watch it again. This is a great find, thanks to whoever posted about this. It's sad that even with all the information, documentaries, news stories, wwasp seems to be growing.
It really puzzles me to see Marijuana connected with Narcotics - Dope and all that crap?it's a thousand times better than whiskey - it's an Assistant - a friend.
Louis Armstrong
Post by: 001010 on March 31, 2006, 01:25:00 AM
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On 2006-03-30 02:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i have the Tranquility Bay Doc Downloaded. It is in a unusal format, so i converted it into DVD and also a high quality windown media file format. The WMV file is now shrunk to 125 megs and is the full hight quality of the original. I am thinking about posting it on the internet using a web hoster in a country WWASP and the courts they bought off cant ever make them take it down!
Any thoughts or ideas?"
:nworthy: Do it!
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on March 31, 2006, 08:39:00 PM
Whoever this person or persons are, they will end up being called a hero for being brave enough to put this thing out there, and face the wrath of WWASPS.
You just have to be smarter then them. Dot all those i's and cross all those t's, and say a prayer to the man upstairs that we can get the public's attention.
Post by: Nihilanthic on April 02, 2006, 07:13:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2006, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 02:48:00 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9640426410 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069094189640426410)
Post by: Nihilanthic on April 12, 2006, 04:43:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on April 12, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
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On 2006-04-12 01:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just wait until we find out who put that on there :wink: :lol: "
How does that song go?
It wasn't me?!! She caught me in the shower........wasn't me. She caught me doing her on the counter.........wasn't me! I am making up the words as I go along! I forget the song name! Oh well, big bro is watching!!!!
WHATEVER! We all know what a dummy I am when it comes to computers. Everything else I am an expert on. J/K
Post by: A.T.O.M. on July 11, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
Couple comments on this...
For those that feel it didn't capture enough of what's going on or the reasons behind it, i can appreciate that. It doesn't. Than again, that's a whole mini-series by itself which that vast majority of viewers who have no idea of what wwasp is would have any interest in. I'll tell you what it did do though: It started me on a crusade to get something done. I was pretty upset with what i saw so i started researching events and names in the film and i never stopped since (http://http). That was about 3 weeks ago, maybe less. That film worked for me.
Now i enter harsh criticism mode, so look out :smile: : Anyone having a problem with anyone else distributing the film had better get their ethics checked. What's more important here, helping these kids or breaking some copywrite law? I would also argue that sharing any media is no different than borrowing your sisters latest brittney spears album. What's the difference if she emails it to you or you gives to you in person? Just because it's "the law" doesn't make it ethical.
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2007, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: ""MomCat""
10 hours!!! Any way to save it and post is somehow? How damn annoying is that anyway. I still can't get an answer from anyone, though at least I did get an e-mail back saying they're looking into getting me a copy. Some French guy responded, so we'll see. They don't really like we Americans, so I made sure to let him know I was born in France. Not so sure that's going to help at all, but we'll see.
Isabelle Zehnder was born in France?
The producer did post on Fornits the reason why the documentary isn't being shown in the U.S.
Care to comment?
Post by: psy on June 06, 2007, 08:19:45 PM
Edit: The torrent download speed with just two seeders is pretty crazy. 320+ KB/second. I'll have it in 10 mins. After that... I'll host it indefinately with no cap on upload speed. Expect to have the movie in 5 mins if you start downloading now:
1. Get a torrent client like Azureus:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/)
2. Then get the .torrent file:
http://www.mininova.org/get/262269 (http://www.mininova.org/get/262269)
3. open the file and it the documentary will start to download with azureus
4. Watch the movie when it's finished. If Windows media player, or quicktime says something like "cannot find codec", download and use the following player:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)
All the above software is Free Open Source Software (Created by volunteers in an open community) like Firefox.
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2007, 09:36:24 PM
Post by: psy on June 06, 2007, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
psy-- you should run for president.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That is the second time that has been suggested on this forum. Maybe in 10 years or so when I am of age... But I doubt they would elect me with my beliefs on various subjects. Corporations and the media would demonize me. Hopefully, the internet will free speech enough that people will rely less on the media for their "information" (opinions).
I just watched the movie.. Unfortunately, it is the google video version, and not the final version which gives a very different view of Suesue and co.
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2007, 09:46:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2007, 10:15:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2007, 10:17:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Doanloading via bittorrent now. Will seed indefinately.
Edit: The torrent download speed with just two seeders is pretty crazy. 320+ KB/second. I'll have it in 10 mins. After that... I'll host it indefinately with no cap on upload speed. Expect to have the movie in 5 mins if you start downloading now:
1. Get a torrent client like Azureus:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/)
2. Then get the .torrent file:
http://www.mininova.org/get/262269 (http://www.mininova.org/get/262269)
3. open the file and it the documentary will start to download with azureus
4. Watch the movie when it's finished. If Windows media player, or quicktime says something like "cannot find codec", download and use the following player:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)
All the above software is Free Open Source Software (Created by volunteers in an open community) like Firefox.
Psy- Help. I received the "cannont find codec" and tried to download vidolan.. but, it will not display the webpage. Any advice?
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2007, 01:18:46 AM
Post by: psy on June 16, 2007, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
Doanloading via bittorrent now. Will seed indefinately.
Edit: The torrent download speed with just two seeders is pretty crazy. 320+ KB/second. I'll have it in 10 mins. After that... I'll host it indefinately with no cap on upload speed. Expect to have the movie in 5 mins if you start downloading now:
1. Get a torrent client like Azureus:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/)
2. Then get the .torrent file:
http://www.mininova.org/get/262269 (http://www.mininova.org/get/262269)
3. open the file and it the documentary will start to download with azureus
4. Watch the movie when it's finished. If Windows media player, or quicktime says something like "cannot find codec", download and use the following player:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)
All the above software is Free Open Source Software (Created by volunteers in an open community) like Firefox.
bump
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2007, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Isabelle Zehnder was born in France?
Mange moi, Izzy.
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2007, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: ""Guest""Isabelle Zehnder was born in France?
Mange moi, Izzy.[/quoteI
I bet that is crap too.
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2007, 06:26:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2007, 06:29:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
$$$