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Yesterday a 17 year old girl died at "Egely" - an institution for troubled and criminal teens in Denmark.

The police are looking into the matter (The inmates are supposed to be watch very carefully 24 hours per day), but so far they have not found out why she died.

In order to stay at "Egely" the inmates has to commit a crime involving personal damage. There are room for 20 inmates (Only 3 such institutions exist in Denmark) where 5 of them are on extra watch. Boys and girls live next door and there is no looking down in the ground when the opposite sex is present.

I got this video clip (In Danish) showing the surroundings. The background for the clip was that they had too many confrontations, so the staff recieved extra education in conflict management.

http://www.tv2fyn.dk/modules/tv2fyn/pla ... =&program=

Normally we don't believe in behaviour modification in Denmark. Those 3 institutions and some prisons are the exception. Court ordered therapy sometimes has to be ordered.

As an example I can give you some cases:

A year ago a young man took his car out and hit a baby and his father with 150 kilometres per hour - killing them both. He got two years in prison. Another man killed a 18 year old girl DUI (drugs and alcohol). He got 1,5 years in prison. When convicted to such a short time in Jail, it is important to alter their behaviour in a very powerful matter. Our prison terms has to be short. Our taxes are very high, so every day they are in prison, they can not generate money to pay taxes for.

That is why we have behaviour modification in Denmark, but I find it OK because it is court ordered and only used in very severe cases.

I hope the relatives of the poor girl can overcome their lost.

For some year the interest in subjects like physics and chemistry has dropped by Danish students.

Now we are going to turn this development and be in the front.

The tool is to allows our students the brew beer in the chemisty lessons.

In a few year we would be in the front when it comes to making the best beer and in the number of students with top grade in chemistry.

So Beware - We are on the move!

Source (Only in Danish, I am sorry http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Kanal94/Nyhed ... 152104.htm)

I have watched Dr. Pihl.

1) A poor girl can not live with mother. Although relatives wants to take her in, the mother insist that she must go to jail, where she remained until she was 18.

http://drphil.com/shows/show/44
http://drphil.com/shows/show/75
http://drphil.com/shows/show/140

2) Kim came in for an advise and Dr. Phil send her to Aspen Archievement Academy. Recently she ended up in jail because she ran away.

http://drphil.com/shows/show/752/

and now she is in jail.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4322660.html

Why are you putting them into jail? Could it not be that something terrible is wrong in the home and the child should be remove into foster-care instead?

It seems that these rules makes it very easy for a parent to molest a child and get away with it. I am not saying that it is the case in these two cases, but it seems that it is all about blaming the child instead of looking into the matter as a whole.

According to reviews from (Brat Camp 4 - Family brat camp) one of the moms could not take the discomfort of Idahos desert anymore and pulled her family out of the program.

Her son which were buttered by som slight anger issues, seemed to come along quite fine, but she could not take it anymore.

What does it tell us?

According to my opinion it serves as an example of how we priorities. Some of us would go further in order to ensure the best possibilities for our children. I would through fire so save mine.

But some will go on living as they use too and outsource problems and hard work like cleaning the house often is outsourced.

It is sad - just sad.

I would invate parents to tag along your child in the future, when you send him or her to a program.

- Please wear the orange jumpsuit with your child
- Please lie down at the side of your child in OP
- Please sit all day in a stonecircle without shoes.
- Please lie hogtied along your child in High Impact
- Please occupy the dog cage next to your child in High Impact
- Please take a seat next to your child in handcuffs when the teen escorts comes for your child.

Only then when you are visible showing your child what you are prepared to go through, the love of your child is guaranteed.

Someone want the truth oppressed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history

Two IP-numbers seems to be active:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... .66.37.145
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 181.151.57

208.66.37.145 is:

OrgName:    American Wireless, Inc
OrgID:          AMERI-134
Address:      845 E. Skyline drv
City:             St. George
StateProv:    UT
PostalCode: 84770
Country:       US

209.181.151.57 is:

OrgName:    Qwest Communications Corporation
OrgID:          QCC-22
Address:      1801 California Street
City:              Denver
StateProv:    CO
PostalCode: 80202
Country:       US



Who might hide behind those two numbers?

As you properly know the sick form of entertainment which started in Europe (Sending european teens to Utah.) are now airing season four.

http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites ... index.html

This time the parents would join their kid in the desert from the start.

I just wonder if this kind of concept catches on. How are you going to order the transport service?

"Please send a group to fetch my teen, my wife and me self. I would send you the key for the frontdoor, so you can sneak in and surprise us."

Yesterday a court in Denmark sentenced a father to 10 days in jail because he failed to discipline his two children of a age 5 and 6, when they mistreathed a cat.

The boys took the cat by its tail and swung it to the ground. The cat did hurt a tooth.

The father stood nearby and did not interfere. That send him to jail.

How would it have ended in the States? Would it be the boys that would have been punished in court instead?

The  authorities has rewoked the licence for the institution "Atlantis" in the town of Naestved on the south of Zealand.

In Denmark every instution has to have a licence and a special §17 committee consisting of politicians can visit every licenced institution unannouced whenever they like.

Also it is very seldom that the parents alone are allowed to send their children away. The authorities has to approve and often it is done because the parents have some problems that makes it impossible for the children to stay home.

However the politicians were quite surprised when some people told that they have seen three children walking a 10 kilometre march as punishment unattended by any adults. Later investigation did show that beside the use of march as punishment also rude language and cold washing were among the treatment these children from age 4 were exposed to.

During the summer our politicans have been around the institution several times and it has been their conclusion that nothing could be done to improve the conditions with the current management in charge. So they finally rewoked the licence. Perhaps the children would now face some good in the future.

About the news (In Danish) http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Regionalen/Ny ... 083742.htm

About the children being send into school without food, proper clothes and sometime even diagnozed sick later during the day. - (In Danish)
http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Regionalen/Ny ... 065753.htm

About the discovering of three boys marching in the middle of the night unattended (In Danish).
http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Regionalen/Ny ... 072917.htm