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I don't live in the States and being a Dane with a family I would properly not go there anymore due to too strict security on the travel. (I would properly be too exhausted due to the journey itself in order to enjoy anything your country can offer).

But I can understand your pain, because some 10 years we had a shooting in a school in Jutland, where 2-3 people were killed. The offender was also an isolated guy, who went berserk one day. Of course it is a lot more difficult to get a hand on a gun in Denmark, but it is possible, so we also live with that danger.

What troubles me is the reaction your president has made. It seems that he is acting out of panic. That's why I put this letter to the editor in several newspapers in Denmark yesterday.

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Thought about  Virginia Tech.

When prevention are in the risk of turning into abuse - about President Bush and his initiative.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article291669.ece (In Danish) and
http://www.examiner.com/a-682640~Virgin ... e_law.html

Oblivious it is difficult to stand in the shadows of the tragedy of Virginia High and warn against abuse which can take place under forced treatment of mental illnesses.

Of course we all wish that we could turn back time and get this young man treated before he - helped by the lax gun laws - could purchase weapons enough to wipe out half the town.

Still, the warning must be put forward. Already before the tragedy President Bush had introduced a new bill for forced screening for mental illnesses of children when they enter school. The purpose of this bill is to get calm classes when the most unruly children are medicated so they just can be placed in a corner where they can drool al day long. Calm classes mean increased performance, but it is fair to let some children pay the price just so the majority can perform extra 5 percent?

And it is not a small quantity of medication a lot of them get. Often they have to eat laxative in order to ease the pressure on their bowels.

They had been very unfortunate with this offender. The course up to the tragedy makes it sound like the parents and the school had no opportunities to treat this young man. But that is not the standard in the states. The fact is that we are talking about 4000000 people on Ritalin. We are talking 100000 teenagers being forced on treatment by the widespread outsourcing of normal teenager issues labeled as mental problems.

Companies like WWASP, Aspen Education and CEDU charges up to 30.000 Danish Crowns per month’s full-service packet which include the pickup of the child in his own home. The parents don't have to get a diagnosis by a certified person. They just have to pay. The therapists will then prove that the parents are right when the child - in order to survive - copies the problems of the other children in treatment and confesses to problems they don't have.

We can write off this hysterically development as typical American, but the hard fact is that the consumption of medicine used on children has increased in Denmark, because the market in the states has reached its limit, so the industry has to look for markets outside the states. On of these markets is Denmark. Who had thought about TV-advertising in Danish Television for drugs against depression just 10 years ago?

Yes, it is difficult to argument against forced treatment after this tragedy, but we have to ask your self why everyone seems to walk around having pain in their souls. Is it because they can not get rid of their troubles? Do they have to cut themselves to let the pain come out because their families are busy doing their own stuff?

We all have a backpack where we put our problems in until we have time to solve them. It becomes heaver and heaver to carry. Sometime you have to empty it and there are so many techniques to do so. Some can run or bike for a long time so they can work their problems in their mind in a in a state of endorphin intoxication. Others need to load their problems on to another person (family member or therapist). Regardless of the techniques they choose they are all good. Just the weight of the backpack is lifted so it can be carried again.

I believe that the best method of avoiding a similar tragedy in the future is that we join together as families again. We should force our self to hear our children out regardless how much we differ in opinion. Secondary that we let our classmates and work colleagues live the life they choose right (inside the limits our laws). We don't have to interact with them all time, but from time to time we have to let them know that we respect them as classmates and colleagues. We should be able to praise people without feeling a loss in ourselves. Who would lose something by giving thumbs up?

We don't have to medicate our society. It is not sick. It is just partial out of order because we are too busy doing our own stuff.

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http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-6507942.html?rss (In Danish)

In Denmark we generallly acknowledge that most people can be put in two catagories, when it comes to how they sleep:

Type A: wakes up early, going to bed early
Type B: wakes up late, going to bed late.

Out in the workplace, flex-time takes care of the problem. A lot of shops often close down about 8 or 9 p.m, so there are jobs for people of type B. But the education system has not in the past given possibilities for type B people. That is changing now. Now a new high school is opening, where the first class starts at 1.30 p.m.

So we are going to establish kindergardens, public schools and high school for those people, who does not sleep as our culture demands.

How about that?

On this german Forum following statement in relationship with the german version of "Brat Camp" - "Teenager ausser kontrolle" was made:

(Rabea 03/22/07 - 01:34:22)

http://www.stern.de/forum/showflat.php? ... art=3&vc=1

Entschuldigung,
aber diese Camp war keine Therapie, sondern zynischer Dressurversuch.
Ein Armutszeugnis für das, was sich Pädagogik nennt.

In english:

I am sorry, but this camp was not therapy, rather an cynical training experiment. A admitsion of failure if it was suposed to be labelled as pedagogy

I dont know if there is a better english word for dressur as training. What she means is that it is something you can do to a horse or a dog.

Only two nations worldwide: US and Somaila have not ratisfied this convention:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention ... _the_Child

Convention on the Rights of the Child
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by
General Assembly resolution 44/25
of 20 November 1989
entry into force 2 September 1990, in accordance with article 49

Full text is here:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm

Perhaps the reason is article 13. No more letter monitoring unless it is for protecting the national security. How many childrens in various programs does that?

So go to your congressman and get him to work for the US to sign it. It is urgent.

As you can see on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aspen_Education_Group

we are debating about the fact that Aspen Education group conducts behavior modification rather than normal education.

The definition of the term behavior modification can be seen here.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior_modification

Behavior modification is a technique of altering an individual's behaviors and reactions to stimuli through positive and negative reinforcement of adaptive behavior and/or the extinction of maladaptive behavior through positive and negative punishment.

Does Aspen meet the criteria for the use of behavior modification the organisation?

Please state your opinion on the talk page or here.

The German version of Brat Camp shows an entire different picture of Turnabout Ranch than the British version did.

1) They sleep in tents at Roundy
2) The stone circle has a real tent, not just a shelter.
3) They eat jam on their bread at Roundy
4) Soft therapist (speaks german properly employeed special for the show.)

See the video on http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_932628.php (You have to register and it is in german but it is free).

Well, this is very dangerous. The tone is so soft, that it also seems like real therapy and not just bullying. In a parent send their children to Turnabout for a treatment, they certainly dont get what they saw on the show.

It is almost as the British show and the German show take place at two different locations. Are we looking at a scam?

Now I am under attack for the use of the term "detainee".

The user "Rmagic" claims that I am too Danish and the use of the court system in the States means shame on the victim and his or her family.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aspen ... nt_Academy

I am Danish and I am proud off it. When I started to write pages on wikipedia, I though that it made me NPOV. Now he claims that I am biased due to my nationality. Strange!